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UFC 100: Michael Bisping training wrestling for Dan Henderson (Pic)

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Can "The Count" really outwrestle the former Greco Roman Olympian as his trainer suggests on July 11?

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not a chance

by AzCombat on Jun 30, 2009 7:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Bisping is trying to out wrestle Hendo does that mean he’s afraid of his stand up? Or is he trying to trick Hendo into thinking this is going to be a wrestling match. Either way I think Bisping loses on his feet or on the ground.

by Cogito Ergo Sum on Jun 30, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah what is he trying to prove? Does he think he’s a master of mind games now too? Everyone knows Bizzzzbing aint gonna attempt a single takedown in this fight especially seeing as he’s taking on an ex olympic wrestler. Like Hendo’s going to watch that and be remotely, fooled, intimidated or impressed.

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i definitely think he shouldnt try and out wrestle hendo

he should just try and out box him as that will probably win him the fight… maybe he is trying not to be predictable idk but i think he should stick to working on his boxing and take down defence in this fight

by ufcaddict on Jun 30, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see this as a great big red herring.

Bisping as cocky as he is would not in a million years think that his wrestling after a couple of years of mma training would better Hendo’s lifetime of Greco.

I think he is just playing with Hendo’s head a bit.

I’ve said it before but i think that Bisping will highlight what a what of people have been thinking recently that Hendo is slowing down, relying on his heavy hands and greco than good footwork and combos.

Gas will come into this fight too. Bispings cardio is off the chart, Hendo on the other hand was really struggling in the third against Ace.

If this fight gets to the third Bisping will be peppering the sh*t out of him on his feet and take the round. So using good striking and footwork if he can nab one of the first two rounds its his fight.

UD bisping.

by Nick J on Jun 30, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are completely correct Nick. Hendo’s far too long in the tooth though to be taken in by Bizzzzzbing’s rather amateurish attempts at mind games.

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendo has never and will never get roped into any mind games and he’s as mentally tough as they come. Bisping talks way too much for his own good and he’s quick to toot his own horn. I really dislike Bisping and hearing him talk almost always leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I have no problem admitting that Bisping is picking up the wrestling game at a very quick pace and he might be the best I’ve ever seen at getting up off his back other than lightweights…it’s impressive. Bisping is going to have an advantage in speed and technique on the feet and that is a devastating combo but Hendo has a steel chin and heavy hands and can end the fight with one punch…Bisping has not shown he can do that yet.

It’s going to be a pretty close fight and Hendo will need to time his shots well and not waste energy clinging to a single leg too often or he’ll tire a bit in the 3rd. I don’t see this ending any other way other than decision and I think Hendo will score enough points to get a split cause Hendo has been in the cage with the best of best in terms of striking.

by Buster Bluth on Jun 30, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good analysis Buster! Although I firmly believe that Bisping will win this decision, I cant really disagree with your analysis. Only thing I would like to add, is that Hendo has clearly slowed down….while Bisping improves exponentially with each day.

Hendo does have some ridiculous power in his hands, but I havent seen the same Grit and aggression out of Hendo that he showed in Pride. He showed flashes of it against Rampage, but since then, I hate to say it…but he looks like age has caught up with him. with that said, he is still one ultra tough SOB. I dont call him Dan “Built Ford TOugh” henderson for nothing! lol

This fight is destinied to go to a decision. Hendo doesnt have “a button” on his chin, so he wont be getting kO’ed anytime soon, and Bisping has a very under rated chin as well. I think Hendo is going to have a really hard time landing shots on Bisping. Speed kills! Combine Bispings supperior speed, with his vry techical striking/footwork. Its going to be really hard for Dan to land a good, clean shot on THE COUNT!!!!

Hendo is one of my alltime favorites, and Bisping is one of my favorites RIGHT NOW….Normally I wouldnt care who won this fight, but I did bet $100 on Bisping so, WAR COUNT BISPING!!!!

by John G on Jun 30, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say it everday….It irks the Fock out of me that Bisping doesnt get the credit that he deserves around here!

by John G on Jun 30, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’ll get credit john when he beats a fighter ranked in the top 20 and backs up all his talk!

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol bisping has a good chin? has he even faced anybody with power besides leben? and did leben even hit him in that fight? i saw a little kid’s game of tag being played in that “fight” bisping is either getting knocked out or hes going to backpeddle his way to a decision loss, he has no power, no submissions, limited wrestling, im really having a hard time seeing how he can win this fight…

by brendan on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bizzzzbing will definitely win the fight, it wont be pretty but he’ll win, probably by split decision. Dan aint what he used to be.

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brendan: He’s fought Mark Epstein twice, who is a sh!te fighter but has massive power in his punches. They had a massive toe to toe fight and Bisping took some big punches but was not hurt at all.
He is widely regarded by anybody that knows anything about him as having a rock solid chin.

by MoonUK on Jun 30, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points John…Hendo has definitely slowed down and you could see that in the Franklin fight but Franklin is almost as slow so it was a little hard to tell. I hope we see some of that aggression and lunging that we are used to seeing from Dan’s PRIDE days. It’s funny how many people say that about so many of the former PRIDE fighters…how we wished they’d go back the way they fought when they were with PRIDE.

I agree that Bisping gets dissed around here quite a bit and I do some of it myself. The thing is…look at Bisping’s resume…it doesn’t shout elite fighter to me. Beating Leben, Day, and Hammil (if you believe he really won that fight) doesn’t give you much credit. If he beats Hendo clearly and decisively then I’ll buy into the Bisping hype just a little but I don’t believe that he deserves a title shot with a win. I want to see him fight one of the top 5 middleweights like Marquardt or Okami before he gets a crack at Silva. Bisping has improved a fair amount since the show but he has to prove that against better competition and that starts with Hendo.

by Buster Bluth on Jun 30, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post buster, thats exactly the way i feel.

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some great objective posts up there ‘FINALLY’ Hendo has always been one of my fav fighters, but I put $400 on Bisping at 3-1. I don’t believe Bisping will take Hendo down unless he’s tired and gets surprised by a double. However, Bisping can pop up to his feet after getting taken down like a jumping jack rabbit. I got Bisping by split decision, it’s his time.

by DAVE A on Jun 30, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah..alot of people only judge Bisping on what he did in the UFC, but Bisping has been around the block before getting into the Octagon. HIs toe to toe battles with Epstein (who hits like a mac truck) were awesome and a testament to what a rock solid chin Bisping has.

Buster: NOt only do I think he clearly won the Hammil fight, Im not sold that he lost the fight against Rashad. Truth be told, I would like to see Bisping perform like I know he can against tougher comp. when I say he is a top fighter, I mean it that I PROJECT him to prove it in the near future, with an increase in competition. I watch his fights closely and to me, it looks like he is very skilled, and I know he is mentally strong. NOw that he has jumped down to middleweight..he went from being the smallest fighter, to the BIG DOG…combine that with the skills he has developed, and I think he is about to put his mark on the middleweight division. In order for this post to be valid, he has to start with Hendo!

by JOhn G on Jun 30, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope Bisping will, to hopefully get some, in my opinion, well deserved credits finally.

by Hank R. Chief on Jun 30, 2009 7:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Bisping will, to hopefully get some, in my opinion, well deserved credits finally.

 Me too as well, but I don’t think it would be a good idea for Mike to go to the ground with Hendo. Hopefully he’s training on how to get back up from being taken down, as that’s what Hendo will try to do.

by lippo on Jun 30, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he tries to beat Hendo in a wrestling type fight, He might as well just stay home, and give Hendo the win.

by naturalshadow on Jun 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think his wrestling will have improved a lot, UK guys don’t wrestle as standard but he will have been training for it since he got serious about his MMA – should take 5 years of hard training to master something, about there now ;)

Dan has the experience advantage but is very easy to get casual about something you’re good at compared to the guy who’s trying his best to improve on it – Look at GSP’s wrestling demolition of Matt Hughes as an example.

As with most sports when they get well established and professional – the game is getting younger and younger, the old guard is rapidly getting demolished by the hard-training youngsters and Dan is no spring chicken. Actually I’d give it another 5-10 years before most champions are under 25.

This should be an interesting fight, one thing that seems to be forgotten in all the talk of Henderson’s granite chin, big right hand and Olympic wrestling is that Bisping has a damn good chin too – he’s also good at stuffing wrestling takedowns and is getting fitter and faster all the time at 185.

Is one fight where it’s hard to pick a winner for me, Dan hasn’t impressed me much in the UFC yet and Bisping’s improving so I’ll give this one to him…

by Jimrod on Jun 30, 2009 7:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jimrod, well put. However I think GSP dominating Kos at the wrestling aspect is a better example.

by WB on Jun 30, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know about most champs being under 25. It isn’t even that way in boxing today, and there is much more to master in mma. That takes time.

by naturalshadow on Jul 1, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Bizzzzbing does want to turn this into a wrestling match, he loses EVERY time. He wont, we’ll see a replay of the Chris leben tactics, he knows that’s the only way he can take this.

It’s insulting to think training wrestling with the guy who trains Kongo is somehow going to prepare you well enough to take on an ex-olympian. Bizzzzy couldn’t even handle Hammills wrestling for Christs sake.

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And we saw Kongo’s wrestling in action against Cain Velasquez!

by Fred on Jun 30, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Impressive wasn’t it?

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way is bisping actually gonna try to outwrestle hendo. i think he knows his only chance is to pepper shots from the outside and take home a decision.

by warwagon on Jun 30, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No he can’t and if he really was gonna try that strategy
I don’t think they would be telling everyone 3 weeks out.

by nicknames_are_gay on Jun 30, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with attakdog on this one. only july 11th will tell. having said that it’s probably just tactics to try and keep hendo guessing tho.

by MMA on Jun 30, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bisping isnt kongo though is he ? hes a much more intelegent fighter

by boyer on Jun 30, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you. Hendo is over the hill and Bisping is just starting to reach his prime. I think Hendo gets finished here

by tiger_style on Jun 30, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is Bizzzzbing gonna finish Hendo?????

Bizzzzy has NO KO power and Hendo has a granite jaw!

Bizzzzy has no ground game or submissions!

The only way he wins this is to get on his heels, do laps of the octagon and pitter patter Hendo as he lumbers forwards, and get a judges decision. I dont blame him for that, Hendo’s a quality opponent and that is the only chance he has of winning.

To say Bizzzzzy will finish Hendo is laughable!

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bising may not stop Hendo, but he will win by decision. The Bisping will out box and out wrestle the old man. After this fight Hendo might be thinking, " I can’t beat anybody of any substance, I think I am going back to fight in Japan, cause they love me overthere".

by bigmcmac on Jun 30, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is definitely not capable of finishing Hendo. He can’t even bussa’ grape!

by The Negation on Jun 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does that look like Hughes from behind?

by MSlice on Jun 30, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see a Henderson rematch with Carlos Newton. Newton got robbed in that match and since then I’ve lost all respect for Henderson’s style (or lack of it). Just joking bout the rematch, but The Ronin did get shafted.

by charlyw on Jun 30, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

attack dog yr always on here talking shit about the bisbing and its obviously because he is english why do you not mention leben was on roids in their fight and you dont have to be a better wrestler to win the fight. The way you bang on you would think kongo and the bisbing are twins bisbing actually took lebens roided up ass down at the end of i think the second round you make out like avoiding the takedown and standing and trading is a crime but i bet yr a big fan of chuck and machida aren’t you cocksucker

by smokes n road beers on Jun 30, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Resorting to insults, sign of class! Don’t really know why I’m wasting my breath on you, but here goes.

I’m English myself so nationalistic pride has nothing to do with my arguments!

Wow Bizzzzzbing took Leben down! That is impressive! Was he an olympic wrestler too like Dan Henderson was?

Since when has Bizzzzbing “standed and traded”. Running away and pitter pattering an advancing opponent is not standing and trading!

I was never a fan of Liddell, nor Machida, though he is growing on me now he has found the ability to finish a fight using his striking.

Come back and debate with me sun when you’ve gained a bit of MMA knowledge and try to avoid silly insults in future!

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL Does your mom know your on the internet

by lokie on Jun 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice post attakdog

by lokie on Jun 30, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who says Bisping is going to tryand out wrestle Henderson? I think he is just getting prepaired in all aspects, you know incase the fight turns into a wrestling match….I personally home Bisping finishes Hendo…

by jet99 on Jun 30, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bizzzzzbing’s own coach said he would out wrestle hendo, it was on this site last week! Bizzzzbing has zero chance of finishing Hendo but will win a decision.

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hope bisping finishes hendo now just to shut you up but you will still find an excuse if he does you

by boyer on Jun 30, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he can finish Hendo he’ll get nothing but praise from me, but there’s more chance of a bucket of sh!t from a rocking horse!

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well K-Dog…From the picture it looks,like Bizzz been practicing his wrestling at Tap Out Center in Vegas.So that will probably help him more,than his coach at wolfslair.Plus,while he’s there he,can work his jits with Vinicius…so maybe we’ll see bizzzbing trying to go for the sub to finish Hendo?

by Alpha Male 360 on Jun 30, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think so Alpha. I dont think he could raise his sub game to the standard it needs to be in such a short space of time to sub a veteran like Hendo. Palhares couldn’t do it and I think Maia would have problems and their subs are off the charts compared to Bizzzzy’s.

by attakdog on Jul 1, 2009 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i suppose leben had that busted up face when he entered the octagon and just how many olympic wrestlers are in the ufc anyway he can still be submitted or beaten in the stand up which is still mma i think its you who needs more knowledge in mma and your still a cocksucker you can stick class up your ass too i no hendo is a great fighter but he can be beat at 185 by people other than silva.

by smokes n road beers on Jun 30, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad to see the mods are doing their job today, how many insults is this guy allowed to hit me with??

One word sun – PUNCTUATION!

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alot of people think franklin beat hendo and if it was a five rounder it was looking like franklin would have beat hendo but rich aint no olympic wrestler is he no doubt hendo will take the bisbing down but can he keep him down and whats more fun anyway some wrestler trying to make sweet love to you or a fight

by smokes n road beers on Jun 30, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

?????? PUNCTUATION is not the work of the devil!

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they let me say what i want because the truth is a powerful thing you windowlicker

by smokes n road beers on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol, simply inspired posting.

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one word sun – SON you paki lover

by smokes n road beers on Jun 30, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Little boy, it’s time for you to leave!

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe if it was i would use it just like your wife’s camel toe

by smokes n road beers on Jun 30, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the right of reply mania. I get called all the names under the sun by this clown and you have the cheek to hold up my last post in mod! Unbelievable

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

attack dog you just got told you fake english man now go and sit on the spaz bus with marcus davis

by smokes n road beers on Jun 30, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jesus…

Mania,

You should really restrict this site to 18 and over.

by OJR on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

theres nothing finer than being behind the wheel of your own car sept maybe for attack dogs mums clout

by road beers on Jun 30, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

please come back attack dog

by road beers on Jun 30, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t agree with Attakdog’s views, but he’s entitled to say them. Why do you resort to childish insults? I’m English too and you are giving a very bad impression of us.

 Please stop the juvenile insults, you look silly.

by lippo on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how can i look silly can you see me with a mouth full of minj. No your right am sorry attack dog what are your views then lippo ?

by road beers on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Minge, Its minge!

by MoonUk on Jun 30, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Bisping will win this by TKO in the third. I think he is strong enough to get up from any takedowns and his striking/punching is superior to Hendo. It’s going to be close but I think Hendo won’t have as much in the tank as Bisping.

 Just my two’penneth.

by lippo on Jun 30, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

now tell attack dog that he reeks of vegetable matter and we are on the same page

by smokes and road beers on Jun 30, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bahahahahahaha this must be some kind of joke!

by Yourmomma on Jun 30, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Love or hate Bisping, its completely irrelevent. Logic says Bisping wins this. For the various points people have mentioned on here already.
My gamble, Bisping by TKO or UD.

by UK_Chris on Jun 30, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

idk y he keeps saying this, u can’t out wrestles a guy like henderson if ur primarly a striker, i mean maybe he can cause gsp does stuff like that but i really think hes full of shit..

by guyverbob on Jun 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You immature people need to get off of attakdog, enough with the insults. By the way, for any of you to say Bisping is going to win, that is a logical statement (though I hope he gets destroyed), but for so many of you “fans” to say Bisping will finish Hendo, YOU ARE CRAZY!!!! I wont say why because others have already stated it, and frankly it explains itself, but I guess a quick overview of what Im saying is that if you think Bisping is going to win, then that is fine, but if you think he finishes Hollywood, then you are bat shit nutty in my opinion, just sayin.

by Dave on Jun 30, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s just one guy Dave, I think he’s on day release or something. Mod’s are asleep at the wheel today clearly.

Great post Dave, Hendo is tough as hell and I just dont think Bizzzzbing has the tools to finish him. I beieve he will win by decision though.

by attakdog on Jun 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he’s from to the same psychiatric asylum than elnino,hddavidson…,and their psychiatrist is jre! ;)

by Alpha Male 360 on Jun 30, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

by attakdog on Jul 1, 2009 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

am back cocksuckers

by smokes and road beers on Jun 30, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

c_u_n_t_s

by smokes and road beers on Jun 30, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

f_u_c_k_i__n_g m_o_d_s c_a_n_ s_u_c_k_ m_y_ ballax

by smokes and road beers on Jun 30, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They probably got that guy in the pic from 7-11 parking lot.

by xxBAxx816 on Jul 1, 2009 4:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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