Royce Gracie: Step off! Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida have the perfect strategy

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"I don’t understand why people criticized (Silva) so much (against Thales Leites). He used a perfect strategy and wasn’t hit in the whole fight, had a clean fight and won. Do we have rules? So let’s fight under the rules. Why would he go there and fight until he rips his opponent’s head off? … Why would he expose himself? You have to use your mind. I like the guys who use strategy -- these are the guys who are on the top: Lyoto, Anderson, GSP. They fight clean and take their opponents out of their own games ... Lyoto is one of the few guys that knows how to use strategy. Besides his karate and his ground game, he knows how to use strategy and that’s what puts him on the top. I saw his victory over Rashad. He wasn’t punched one single time in the whole fight and that’s (the strategy)."
Brazilian jiu-jitsu and UFC pioneer Royce Gracie defends the strategy of current UFC champions Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida -- both of whom have come under fire in their career for an 'elusive' style that often means they leave the bout without getting hit -- and fans leave the arena without getting entertained. Are today's fans too eager to watch a 15-minute bloodbath at the expense of an intelligent and often slower-paced ground war? Or do the Brazilian champs have a responsibility to maintain fireworks in each and every bout? Opinions please.
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and a behind the back leg kick is a behind the back leg kick
by Sir Chokemout on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Put your life on the line and give the fans a show.. Otherwise people will stop watching..
by johan-lofgren on Jun 27, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually Rashad did hit him in that fight. Lyoto got aggressive and landed a combination on Rashad who then punched back and landed at least one good shot right on Lyoto’s chin. It wasn’t very hard but he did get at least one clean shot in.
by Ballam on Jun 26, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
I am not a Gracie nutthugger.
That being said…
Truth.
by OJR on Jun 26, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Rashad landed about 4 strikes in the fight. Most of which came during an exchange.
Does anyone else find Machida to be more aggressive than Anderson Silva over each of thier past 2 fights?
Machida has been looking to not get hit and finish his opponent. Just by the look in Machida’s eyes and face you can tell that he is mentally ready to FIGHT. But when looking at Anderson, lately it seems like he is simply bored with fighting. He knows Cote and Leites are not the same caliber fighter as he is, and he becomes disinterested.
by ViolentMike on Jun 26, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Who would have predicted a year ago that it would be the general consensus now that Machida is a more exciting fighter than Anderson Silva?
What a difference a year makes.
by introvert on Jun 26, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I completly agree with both Violentmike and Royce. Its easy to see the fire in Machda’s eyes!
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A: Changing its Jersey and logo back to the Charles Barkely era sixers uni’s n logo
b: For Drafting another stud, UCLA’s JRUE Holiday and walking away from its 3rd NBA draft in a row with a ABSOLUTE STEAL!!!!!!
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Andre Iguadala (a young scottie Pippen reincarnated)
THadeus YOUng (2 years away from being a NBA SUPERSTAR)
Elton Brand
Marreese Speights (The next Rasheed Wallace)
2 or 3 years from now, sixers will be contenders after getting rid of Dalembert and his MOnster sized contract, and all our young studs that the sixers have done a GENIUS job of drafting outside of the top 10, since getting rid of that SCAB, billy King!
WAR SIXERS!
by JOhn G on Jun 26, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
he also said he would tap matt hughes
But in this case I agree with him 99%
by JRE on Jun 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Huerta/Maynard (Gray not Kyle) official for Fight Night 19
by McArthur on Jun 26, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
Man, I was hoping to see Kyle Maynard fight live. Maybe next time.
by James S on Jun 26, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow Huerta will get tossed around for 15 minutes
by JRE on Jun 26, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
tossed around = dry humped against the cage
by brendan on Jun 26, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Huge A. Silva fan. I like what Royce is saying, but the draw to this sport is entertainment so I also understand the criticism of a “boring” performance. Question, will the better quality of mma fighters up and coming cause less exciting fights? For instance,if more up and comers are well versed in striking and grappling and make less mistakes, would it give the fans less exciting moments and finishes. picture a fight with Lyoto machida vs Lyoto machida. Whether you like his style or not, he is well rounded and makes few mistakes. If more fighters model his style, would mma still interest you?
by James S on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
I find the strategy of both silva and lyoto entertaining, so them fighting ppl like themselves would also be entertaining to me. I think as the sport evolves, so would the knowledge of the sport for most mma fans, and therefore wouldn’t have a huge impact on the sport itself.
by orcus on Jun 26, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It comes down to match ups and having fighters fight other fighters at there same level. If Leites was winning rounds (or doing anything but flopping on his back) A. Silva would have been forced to turn up the heat and try to knock him out. Silva’s last two fights were boring because his opponents were not in his league.
by boz on Jun 26, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
James S, I know what you are getting at. Watch some of the old UFC and you see a lot of brawls which is appealing to the casual fan and was exciting. If everyone becomes better at game planning we will see a lot of very even fights with few knock-outs.
by jay on Jun 26, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s exactly my thought. I know wrestling and mma are very different, but I wrestled most my life. Once it gets to the collegiate level the sport becomes really boring because most wrestlers at that level make very few mistakes and there’s nothing to capitalize on. I know that a lot of people find wrestling boring anyway, its a matter of opinion.
by James S on Jun 26, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. as long as there is the UFC there will be fighters who are just brawlers. There will always be Chucks and Rampages. There will always be Marcus Davis’s and Rich Franklins. That being said, if Lyota Machida gets a competitor who has a great chin and lands a good amount of his strikes… He’s gonna be in trouble. Forrest would be tough competition for Lyota because he can take alot of punches in the face and he has good cardio. It would be an exciting fight regardless of how much counter striking he would be doing because Forrest would still connect.
by Sp00ner1234 on Jun 26, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with what your saying about certain types of fighters always being in the ufc. i might diagree about forrest beinga good match up for machida. Only becuase he was tko’d by jardine and shad, but he also went the distance with Rampage. Tough call, depends on which chin of forrests shows up to the fight I guess.
by James S on Jun 26, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never found Machida’s style to be boring EVER. He’s got the most interesting style out of anyone. People seem to be allergic to fighters analyzing each other and trying to pick their shots. It makes it more interesting because they’re strategizing.
The bad thing about this sport getting more mainstream is the fact that meatheads and total fools start watching because they just want complete violence and have no respect for the rules. It’s pathetic.
by Kobajack on Jun 26, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s called mixed martial arts, it has rules, and people can do whatever they want within the scope of those rules. Not very complicated, until you throw in some emotions and personal opinions. Leave the last two for the fighters to decide on.
Very well said Royce.
by Alex on Jun 26, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
The Leites fight was not good for mma as a spectator sport. There are unwritten rules, and one is to entertain.
Tim Sylvia had that attitude against Jeff Monson. He threw jabs at Monson for 3 rounds and in his post fight interview said he just wants to win. That’s why some of his heavyweight championship fights were on the undercard.
Gracie’s thinking almost made the ufc fold.
by pug on Jun 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If you step into combat your only goal should be to finish your opponent. How you do it is up to you but a decision, especially for a title, is a very boring end.
by A Lynch on Jun 26, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
That said, do you consider Griffin/Bonnar 1 to be a boring fight or end?
by Jeff on Jun 26, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not boring, but not exactly worth all the hype it got from newbie fans…just two C-class fighters duking it out ala Arturo Gatti / Mickey Ward.
by introvert on Jun 26, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Intro, haven’t seen you around in a while. Actually, I agree with you on the Griffin/Bonnar fight. While entertaining, there was not much in the way of technical fighting.
by Jeff on Jun 26, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff, I’ve been kicking around. It has been pretty quiet here though sans the Dana Magazine discussion yesterday. Most people here were spending yesterday cleaning off their keyboards after seeing him on the cover. Let’s just say it’s a good thing Dana wasn’t eating a banana or sucking on a lollipop on the cover of that magazine, or they’d half to buy new computers.
by introvert on Jun 26, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The way Dana talks about the Griffin/Bonnar fight you would think it was the greatest fight ever. Not taking anything away from them, because they showed TONS of heart….. but cmon. If you want to blame someone blame Silva…. Joe not Anderson. Anderson has two fights where he doesn’t DESTROY his opponents and all of a sudden people question him, Machida gets two knockouts and now he is the golden boy.
by BiggestD on Jun 26, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
if you’re in a fight, your goal should be to win the fight. if you’re in a sport, your goal should be to win the match. vale tudo to me is a fight, mma to me is a sport. silva and lyoto are athelets, and are doing just great to win in this great sport.
by orcus on Jun 26, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Royce is right, it’s kind of a trade-off really… don’t get hit and have a longer career for less money per fight…or fight like a crazy-man (Wandy) and have a shorter career for more money per fight…add possible brain damage.
by introvert on Jun 26, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
Entertainment is great…but I hate that the goal of finding the most effective and efficeint way to end a fight has been generally sacrificed. Instead fans seem to prefer the toe to toe slugfests. After all the debates and pissing contests about the gladiatorial blood values of the sport it has been voluntarily accepted.
by wannabe on Jun 26, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
Anderson should thank his lucky stars he’s getting matched up with Griffen. If he was matched up against a lower-tier guy I didn’t care about I would definitely boycott his next fight.
His last fight was disgraceful. It wasn’t even a fight.
This keyboard warrior could stand with the greatest fighter in the world if the greatest fighter in the world didn’t fight.
by Merrill on Jun 26, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
NEWSFLASH: Anderson Silva has just stopped counting his lucky stars because Merrill will not be boycotting his next fight.
Also, Michael Jackson died yesterday.
by ViolentMike on Jun 26, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the update Mike. A little late though, I already read that on BE. LOL
by James S on Jun 26, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Fck Royce. He can suck my bálls.
Boring fighters should just be cut.
by Green Inferno on Jun 26, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions
lol your a tool Green Inferno. “Boring fighters should just be cut.” For guys like yourself i think toughman contest are more your thing seeing you have no idea about MMA. I am sure you love a 25sec 1st rnd KO right… Ya alot skill takes… Is Kimbo you Fav fighter aswell?
by Xsjado on Jun 26, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Great business sense here, cut the 3 best fighters in the UFC. Well done, any other pearls of wisdom?
by David W-S on Jun 26, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Royce = MMA Godfather with that being said he is 100% right. I do think Silva needed to try and finish Leites when he was on the ground/top. His Bjj is very good. i mean he is only the 3rd guy to make Danny tap. So for him to just stand back up IMO was weak. That was the only fight i was not happy with from Silva. The Cote fight was going Ok and i think Cote was going to get OKed in the 4th. From his 1st 15 fights Lyoto has gotten better with each fight and looks to finish more and more. We have not even seen the best from Lyoto yet. I do think we are seeing or have seen the best Silva has.
by Xsjado on Jun 26, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
Also, part of the problem with Silva is he was heavily criticized for the Cote fight. He then made pleanty of promises about his next preformance, then goes out and gives an even worse preformance in the very next fight. I still think he is capable of great things, but would like to see a bit of that old fire back. I just hope Forrest isn’t on the recieving end of it. As far as Machida, I totally agree, can’t wait to see his next few fights now.
by BNF on Jun 26, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Royce is right, Anderson fought a good fight, Thales should be thrown out of the UFC.
by Rusty Springs on Jun 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
Spot on from Royce Gracie, Anderson and Lyoto are both world class fighters who fight smart, I’d rather have quality fighters looking to win rather than entertain any day. Part of the fun in watching fights is seeing guys come up with a gameplan to beat their opponent, using their strengths and their opponents weaknesses to their advantage. By not being hit, Anderson and Lyoto are constantly winning and outclassing their opponents, sometimes with flashy KOs othertimes not but that is why they, as well as GSP, are the best fighters that the UFC has to offer.
by David W-S on Jun 26, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
All of you critics of Anderson Silva are crazy. he is hands down one of the 3 best p4p fighters in the world. What do you guys expect anderson to do if his opponent falls to the ground everytime he’s about to attack? Thales’ goal in that fight was to go the distance which he did. he didnt show up to win. Patrick Cote was jsut the same.
by horny for gina on Jun 26, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Patrick was exchanging. Why do you think it’s okay for Anderson to have a passive gameplan, but Cote “did not show up to win” if he isn’t throwing haymakers for the entire fight? Seems a little one-sided to me.
I think Silva won all 3 rounds in the fight with Cote, but Patrick definately was not pulling a Leites in that fight…he looked like he had a better gameplan than anyone else Anderson has fought in the UFC thus far.
That’s not to say that Anderson wouldn’t have taken an easy decision if it went the distance, but he was not doing anything to damage Cote, and I think that was Cote’s plan…to exchange with Silva, show him he could take his shots to the chin, frustrate him, then throw some haymakers in the later part of the figh.
by introvert on Jun 26, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I love action packed fights. In my opinion, a win is a win. I hear people including Dana White get on Anderson. Here is my thoughts. Iknow they don’t mean a thing. I have been watching this sport a long time. In the beginning i loved the blood and all hell breaking lose fights. Now i would just as much like to watch a person who is tactical win fights. The are both counter fighters. It has got them to where they are. Anderson’s first few opponents charged in and got destroyed. Now they all lay back and wait. He is not changing. He knows for them to take his title they must attack. When this happens he will destroy them. Of course he wants to make fans happy but fans shoul understand that he is not changing just to make them happy and might cost him a title. He has come to far for that. Fighters are scared to engage Anderson. That is not his fought. Why should he change. They are the ones that want what he has.
by Lance2576 on Jun 26, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions
I’m over hearing people talk about certain MMA fighters being boring. The sport is changing, becoming more tactical, more mental. People have criticized the grappling aspect of MMA for 15 years. It is MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, and sorry, but grappling is part of the game. If you want to watch 15 minutes of technical striking and exchanges, start watching K-1!!! Otherwise, learn to appreciate the technical aspects of the game, even in the “duller” moments. I’ve found over the past few years to enjoy the “boring” fights more because they are so strategic. My favorite fight of all time was Demien Maia and Jason MacDonald in an all-out BJJ clinic. Most people would call that fight boring, but to me it was intense.
Anderson did nothing wrong in either of his last two fights. Fighters stand up from the top position all the time. Why is it any different for Anderson? Although Siva is a phenomenal jiu-jitsu practitioner, Leites is a BJJ world champion. Why would any fighter want a fight to go to the area where the other fighter has the most potential to win, or even an advantage as Leites probably had?
by RU486 on Jun 26, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
I disagree with him on the a. silva fight he was clearly in no danger standing up. and leites was clearly scared to even swing at silva. Why drag the fight on when u could finish the guy. If you opponet is dangerous then yea the cautious route isnt a bad idea but leites didnt look very dangerous to me. I mean this is a fight and 2 people playing handsy with eachother for 25 minutes isnt a fight to me.
by desperus on Jun 27, 2009 2:35 AM EDT reply actions
“Are today’s fans too eager to watch a 15-minute bloodbath at the expense of an intelligent and often slower-paced ground war?”
since when do lyoto machida and anderson silva take ti to the gorund?
by danasmassiveego on Jun 27, 2009 3:27 AM EDT reply actions

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