UFC Quick Quote: Jon Jones thinks Lyoto Machida is 'very beatable'

Jones could def be challenging for the title in about 1 year if he stays injury free and gets the hype going! the UFC’s LHW division is pretty thin when you look at it…

Blah, blah, focken blah. Stop trying to make a name for yourself by bringing up Machida. Beat some top ten fighters and then we can take you seriously.

Until then, STFU.

you prob never seen jones fight before….

mikeybear-

Yes, I have. So what’s your point?

I agree with you OJR. Don’t bother calling out the champ unless you have a realistic chance of getting a title shot in the near future. Jones might be a world beater someday, but right now he needs to shut up and fight.

Or don’t talk about the champ unless you were freaking asked about the champ like he was. He was asked about Machida and gave his honest opinion. What the heck’s wrong with that?

OJR, I’ll have to agree with you. This name calling have to stop. Everytime there is a new prospect at any weight class they start calling out GSP, Machida or The spider, baby steps Bones, baby steps. Bones have to win at least 3 more fights before He can mention Machida.

this whole BOnes JOnes hype has been completely blown out of proportion!

Does he have a world of Potential? Absolutely!
Is he one of the hottest young prospects in the game? Absolutely

but so WAS BRANDON VERA! To me this reminds me of Vera. After a few wins he was calling out chuck Liddell and talking about dominating to weight classes…and look what happened!

Jones is a great talent but him fighting for a title down the line is far from a sure think… So many things can derail a young fighters path. Injuries, arguments over the business side of the game, not training at the right camp, how he bounces back from his 1st loss, or even worse..getting ko’ed for the 1st time.

He is a very exciting fighter, I am definitely a fan, so I do hope to see him develop into a contender….but thats far from a lock at this point!

What’s funny is that this guy had little to no professional training. When he was on Inside MMA…he said that he trained himself through instructional DVDs and he studies other fighters by watching their fights on the internet. He’s got trainers now obviously but it’s pretty cool that he got into it by himself like that.

I agree with your Brandon Vera analogy…he’s got one credible win under his belt…that’s it. So does Paulo Thiago…but I don’t see him talking about a fight with GSP…it’s sad enough that he’s ranked in the top 10 in some rankings.

“I don’t think he’s Christ; I think he’s very beatable.”

As I hear tell, Christ got beat pretty fucking hard.

Like buster said – i like it when he said he watched bas rutten striking instructionals and seminar vids to learn how to strike. That’s just preternatural gift at its peak. Not since evan tanner have i heard of that. Combined with his physical attributes- this kid is the future. But you guys gotta remember he’s only 21- of course he’s sometimes gonna say things that seem dumb or rash at this point in his career.

You people are getting it all wrong. He’s not ‘calling out the champ’ he’s commenting on the champ. If asked about Lyoto Machida he’s gonna comment isn’t he? So it’s not ‘blah blah blah’ it’s what he truly thinks.

What part of “I know I have a lot of time before I get to that level of fighting him” don’t you understand? Yeah he’s really calling out the champ — WHATEVER!

Yeah, he was asked. He replied. He has confidence in himself. All makes sense. Not even postworth really.

just some dong,
I agree. I saw The Passion. Christ might be the most beatable man in history.

Got no problem with him speaking his mind but, Machida obviously is not “very beatable” seeing as how no one has atually beaten him yet. Kind of a dumb statement IMO.
Sure, every fighter is beatable but, James Thompson is a “very beatable” fighter, and Machida is no James Thompson.

Hehe. Yeah but from Angry Jonny’s perspective he’d see him as beatable because he thinks he could beat him. He’s saying Machida isn’t superhuman.

He wasn’t saying it meaning Machida is very beatable as in “man, this guy is SO easily beatable,” he would have meant that he’s very beatable as opposed to being very invincible. Yeah ‘very’ is redundant but he’s having a chat or whatever.

I don’t know if this is new or anything, but the mother of the fetus that died in the RAMPAGE accident is now suing him. It didn’t say for how much or for what but she isn’t giving this up. I read it on TMZ. I thought I heard that someone decided that the accident had nothing to do with her losing the baby, but she has experts who disagree.

Of course she does, she probably went around to about 100 different doctors until she got the opinion that she wanted to hear; guarantee if she hadn’t been side swiped by someone with a sh!t load of $$$ she wouldn’t be pursuing this.

Jay: I like how you conveniently left out this part of the article:

“FYI — Rampage was never charged in relation to the death after an investigation revealed that the miscarriage was unrelated to the accident.

Griggs filed the suit anyway, claiming Rampage owes her more than $25k for property damage, personal injury and emotional distress."

She’s not even suing him for the miscarriage.

O damn, I didn’t see that part. Was that from the same article I read? I didn’t leave it out to sensationalize my post, I just posted the part I read that she was still after him. I knew he wasn’t charged for it the first time but I thought she was able to find a lawyer to try to pursue charges or restitution or whatever they call it in the States. I’m sorry for any confusion.

Thats how the article reads on the front page of TMZ; no problem bud, didn’t mean to jump all over you either; I just get tired of the “Rampage is a murderer” accusations.

No offense taken, I knew what you meant. I think she is going to get a small settlement out of this though.
Otherwise I don’t think she is going to go away. And not to down play her pain or anguish, but you are right she would have gone away quietly if it weren’t Rampage.

Did Rampage serve any jail time?

Nada, he’s got community service, therapy, class’s, fines and who knows what else. I got a DUI once, blew .14 and got the minimum fine, community service, probation, etc.. just the MINIMUM took me an entire year to get by and was a total complete pain in the ass. I have no idea what all he got hit with, but just because he didn’t go to jail doesn’t mean he got it easy either; I guarantee he’ll pay back the damage he’s done in spades.

Rampage deserves jail time… but I doubt he ever gets any

Well he could sit in a cell and rot, or he could be out doing community service, paying tax’s/fines, and continue being a productive member of society. Just my opinion but Page isn’t the type of person you need to keep locked away because he’s a dangerous threat to society. I think it’s an isolated incident, I don’t think we’ll ever see that out of him again, and imo there’s much more to benefit from him speaking to youth about his mistakes, paying his fines and being a productive part of the community.

It’s a big decision to send someone to jail, you might toss it around like it’s nothing, but 2-3 years in prison can definatley ruin someones life. I think thats something that should be reserved for those that cannot control themselves and seriously need to be isolated from regular civilians.

O Damn-

Excellent points.

OJR, I know what is happening here. A lot of people missed the Machida War Wagon and they are all trying to get on The Bones Wagon before it is too full. He hasn’t done anything to impress me so I will wait and reserve my judgement for after he fights a contender.

Jay-

That’s a good point.

Exactly jay…the guy has potential, no doubts there but all he’s done is win a decision against Bonnar after he came off a year away with an injury. It’s not like he KOed or dominated a top 10 fighter. Bonnar looked slow and out of shape…not that I’m trying to take anything away from Jones but we haven’t seen enough of him against top competition to sit here and say he’ll be a contender in 2-3-4 years. Look at how much the landscape in each division changes from year to year. It’s hard to say who will be near the top this time next year.

Agree, I just dont see how there is any feasable way you can say he is overrated, and I really think he will handle Shogun, and I think this will further justify the fact that he is not overrated. (Even though I do think Shogun could give him a little trouble, its only a matter of time till the old Shogun shows up, though I dont think it will matter against Machida)

I think Rashad bought into the hype, came into the fight intimidated and wasn’t able to perform up to his ability. I’m still waiting for a top 10 guy to get after him and make him fight. Thiago Silva isn’t a top 10 LHW imo, Evans definatley is but he did next to nothing and basically just let Machida have his way with him. I don’t know about Tito, I guess it depends where you rank him, but his stand up is not known to be very threatening in the first place and he never once set up a TD with any type of decent striking. Is Machida a great fighter? Sure, you can’t fight at that level and win and not be good at what you do; but is he worthy of all the p4p, #1 LHW in the world hype? Not at all imo.

Just to add to your post. I am a huge Machida fan but I think (right now anyway) the 2 fighters that can beat him are Shogun (w/ cardio) and A. Silva. That’s it.

I still think Rampage can give him a lot of problems, excellent KO power, great chin, ton of heart, great wrestling and he’s strong enough to force a TD if he has to. There probably aren’t too many fighters that could beat Machida in a technical striking match (which is why Rashad’s game plan made absolutley 0 sense); but if someone can back him up against the fence and force him to brawl a little bit, or use their striking more effectivly to set up some better shots; give him a little taste of something he’s not used to; then I’d give that fighter a great chance to win.

And here’s another thing I don’t like about the Machida hype; you look at Fedor, A. Silva, GSP, the real great fighters out there and they can do it all. Each one of these guys has wins over LEGENDS in MMA during their prime at their best. I think if he had beaten Tito Ortiz about 5-6 years ago, it would’ve meant much more, but in my eyes he has yet to get that win, or be in that war that puts him in the same category as some of the other MMA greats out there.

Also, some Couture style dirty boxing, someone with a great greco clinch game could potentially give him some problems too. I’m not trying to hate on the guy, I want to see how he deals with these different styles in these different positions.

O Damn-I completely agree with your last two posts. I think that Rampage would probably need to go back to the old, more diverse Page and mix in some slams and GnP, but I definitely think he’s got the defense, power and chin to take it to Machida. And to compare Machida to guys like GSP, Silva and Fedor is extremely premature. I think that’s why a lot of people think Machida is overrated.

Make that your previous 3, haha.

Diceman and O Damn-

Only time will tell.

:)

Nice points O damn…Rashad came in with a terrible game plan and that’s pretty surprising considering it’s a Greg Jackson game plan. I said before the fight that he had to really go for that first round and take it. He needed to get Machida against the fence and implement some dirty boxing and eithet take him down or push off of his and start brawling Machida with his back against the fence. It was a shame cause Rashad has the tools to beat Machida but he didn’t even use a single tool in that fight. It was nice to see how Rashad handled the loss and admitted to having a terrible camp and not focusing properly leading up to the fight. It goes to show how mentally tough it is just to be the champ…not just to fight the champ.

You’re right about Page…he would need to take a page out of his own history and get back to some wrestling to beat Machida. The problem with Page is that he’s flat footed and doesn’t move around all that well. It’s a good thing in the sense that he keeps his head back and out of danger and has good boxing defence but Machida is great at creating and exploiting angles. Page would have a hard time getting in on Machida and of course there is the fact that Page doesn’t handle kicks very well and Machida has great kicks.

I think Shogun has a great skill set to really take it to Machida. He’s very patient and when he sees an opening…he goes from 0-10 in terms of aggresion in no time flat. He’s got great trips, a great chin, excellent combos, and he’s got great kicks himself. As long as cardio is not an issue anymore…and I don’t think it is…he’ll give Machida all he can handle.

THank you BUSTER! for the truth…great post! aBout time people start recognizing the fact that if shogun is in shape, which I totally believe he will be in, he will take Machida to WAR!

YOur assesmnet about rampage is fair, but I think a fight between Page and Machida would be very competitive…Rampage wont fall into the trap that THiago did, by going straight at Machida like a reckless idiot who thought he was invinsible. Page knows a thing or two about counterpunching and can be very patient and accurate as well…Not to mention he has some of the best striking defemse in mma, good head movement, and worst case scenario, he has got one of the best chins in the sport. TO fight Machida he will have to concentrate on defending kicks, and he would have to slim down and come into that fight in the best shape of his life, faster then ever… NO matter what, I promise you that Rampage and Shogun are going to TEST Machida. tHose are going to be great fights!

Forrest was able to pick Rampage apart for for the better of 5 rounds, so I’d like to think Machida would be able to do even better from the outside. Yeah, he hurt his knee but that’s because he doesn’t check kicks, and its also not like it took away a big weapon from his arsenal. Don’t remember the last time I seen Rampage throw a head kick.

Yea but you still can’t get off on your punch’s if you hurt your knee in a fight; not to menchon limited mobility/footwork. I really would take the Page vs Griffin fight with a grain of salt, I don’t think that performance is any indication of what Page is/isn’t capable of. He really didn’t come into that fight in shape or in the right frame of mind.

john, i agree with everything except rampage having one of the best strike defenses in mma. he doesn’t check kicks, one of the most powerful strikes. his inability to work angles caused him alot of trouble against forrest and jardine.

I was actually talking about BOxing defense.

IMO, the old Shogun super aggressive style would fall right into the hands of Machida’s counter attacking style.

Greco Roman wrestling is actually the “preferred MMA backgroung” over freestyle wrestling.

Bones = Greco
O’Brien = Freestyle

Adavantage = Bones.

Hey ROB, do you works for Mmamania?

I remember you used to call Machida boring or he won’t be champion etc…well guess what who’s the champ NOW at LHW?

I just think you’re not a real person, you’re just a pretender sitting behind the screen writing up blog, putting up argument and saying the opposite of everyone else? or something….otherwise there wouldn’t be any people logon to mmamania responding to your comments?

You’re definitely not real <> for example in real world if everyone was a good guys, there wouldn’t be any police, lawyer etc.

Rob, let me assure you, I know Bones has ground skills, but i think it would be in his best interest to try and stand with O Brian. He does not want to turn this into a wrestling match. Jake O Brian may never be a contender, but the kid is a stud wrestler

Jones = Greco Roman Wrestler

Jones will be fine against O Brian.

O’Brien = former heavy weight wrestler. O’Brien wants to wrestle with him I am sure of that. Not saying he cant beat O’Brien like that, but he will have a much easier time in a stand up battle.

Not a “real person”.. if you prick him does he not bleed? Is he a Markov model generating statistically probably natural language? lol