UFC 100 video: Frank Mir vs Brock Lesnar is technique vs strength

“i remember mir being petrified of going to the ground with mir” you mean nog

yeah

Slow down there young buck – you got ahead of yourself and messed up their names.

If Murr is getting bigger it’s because he’s getting fatter, not stronger.

What if you swap out Dan for Bisping?

Then since there’s 3 fav’s in the parlay that are all better than -200; it would probably kill the pay out.

My guess is, it’s just the off chance that Alves wins, cause I don’t think there’s too many people out there with %100 confidence that Alves is gonna take this fight. It’s not a bad bet, I’m still beating myself up for not putting some $$ down on Mike Brown the first time he fought Faber. Brown was like +400, I was logged into my betus account, sitting there playing with the #‘s on a bet and just didn’t do it. So lame :(

I would be a damn liar if I thought with 100% confidence that Alves was going to beat GSP.

Forget the fact that I am Alves’s biggest fan, because GSP is also one of my favorites.

considering the great odds, I get on betting Alves (great reward, big risk…thats how it goes)…I think alves brings to the table a bunch of things that GSP hasnt had to deal with before, which makes this a HUGE obstacle for GSP to overcome…and Alves is a HUNGRY yOUNG PUPPY! Getting alves at +200 or better against any welterweight in the world RIGHT NOW is too good of odds for me to pass up on. i also dont remember the last time GSP has had to face someone that was better at him in anything..I strongly believe alves is a supperior striker. Gsp has NEVER had to deal with an opponent matching his size, strength, athleticism…which makes betting alves at +240 to much for me to pass up on!

but thats just me!

The above 40 Couture? Cause he took his opportunity and beat a natural LHW your impressed? He couldn’t even finish Heath. Frank is a natural planner and I know he has this fight down. Brock is going to make amateurish mistakes and lose his knee.

At 1st, I hated the fact that Brock was getting everything handed to him to soon by the UFC…but after seeing this guy dive right into the deep end of the pool and facing top fighters like Herring and Couture, I gotta respect him.

THere isnt a fighter in the history of mma that has fought such tough competition in his 1st 5 fights:

1) Huge Japanese dude: NOthing special, but understandable since it was his 1st ever real fight. Remember Brock didnt have the luxury of a amatuer career…He went right to the pro’s and when you take that into account, there is NO SHAME in taking that fight against “Pork Fried Rice”, or whatever his name is!

2) Frank mir

3) Heath herring

4) Randy Couture

5) Frank mIr

Considering that Brock had NO AMATEUR, I would love to see ANYONE name a fighter that has faced this type of top competition in the 1st 5 reaql fights of his life!

I am positive that Brock could have chosen to face easier competition from the begining. Dana would have NO PROBLEM matching him up against CANS to build brock up and it would have been completely understandable and logical…NOt to mention that Brock vs. A CAN would have still made Dana a ton of money…..brock CHOSE to dive right into the deep end and really challenge himself to try to really make a name for himself as more then just a WWE athlete, Im sorry but I gotta get behind that! Much Respect to tHE BROCKNESS MONSTER!

Heath Herring with 30+ pro fights in full turtle shell mode for 14 minutes due to having his eye socket caved in. I’d take that result in my 4th pro fight.

KO’ing the 40+ couture who annihalated then champ Tim Sylvia and Gabriel Gonzaga. I’d take that in my 4th pro fight!

All the planning in the world will go straight out of the window when Lesnar caves his face in. This is the same Frank Murrrrr who couldn’t cope with the standup of cage rage dwarf Ian Freeman! What possible plan could he have for dealing with Lesnar’s wrecking ball fists??? Don’t say take him down and sub him either, coz that aint happening unless Murrrrrrrr comes armed with a shotgun!

Dominates the stand up? He was losing to Randy before the old man got clipped by that ham hock. I hope they do stand and trade. Mir will pick him apart in the stand up.

Lol, yeah alright mate! One punch from Lesnar will be equivalent to ten of Murrrrrr’s!

It’ll only be a matter of time till that “ham hock” fist connects on Murrrrr’s not so solid chin!

I really loved seeing Mir’s boxing last fight. I hope he continues to evolve on that end. Very exciting.

We shall see, attakdog. I agree that Lesnar can punch harder than mir. But he’s got to land that punch and finish it. He did that with Randy. I don’t think he will be able to with Mir. And once Frank is the undisputed champion, let him fight Carwin. He won’t make the same mistake as Gonzaga. Because I think Shane hits harder than Lesnar. Mir will twist that dude’s arm off. And that will be two hype machines beaten by the guy most on here seem to dismiss.

DO not be fooled!!!! He was outboxing a guy who was 10% fit and he still struggled to get the win! Mir does not have good standup!!!

Good point John G.

There’s more chance of me getting back to back wins over GSP and Anderson Silva than Murrrrrr beating Brock and Carwin back to back! Absoloutely no chance in hell of that happening!!! That’s just ga ga land!

and who are you attakdog to say that? your a nobody who’s comparring his chances of beating p4p champions against an actual fighter beating two relatively new fighters who don’t have the same ground game as himself. as for the rest of you, i’m tired of listening to this BS, you write Mir off as if he doesn’t even belong in the top 20 then you say its impressive that Lesnar is fighting him twice within his first five fights. on top of that your impressed that lesnar beat a natural lhw who beat a lazy tim sylvia (no longer a credible hw) and an over hyped gonzaga. On top of that your impressed that herring walks into the first punch of brocks and gets his face broken and brock can’t even finish the fight. Herring has never been known to beat his top competition. What is so impressive about Brock that you feel the need to write Mir off. I’m just going to be happy when Mir wins this fight because it’ll prove the nay sayers wrong. But the nay sayers will make excuses, no doubt about it.

It’s pointless trying to debate with you about Lesnar, your arguments are ridiculous, no matter what the guy’s accomplished in his short career you write it off like it’s nothing.!

If you’re going to be that picky about him you could apply the same logic to Anderson Silva. Who’s he fought? An over-rated, sh!t scared Rich Franklin twice, beat a washed up Dan Henderson, a one dimensional striker in Leben, a completely gassed Travis Lutter, a ridiculously over matched Leites and needed an injury to get the win over patrick cote. See how stupid that sounds???

“your impressed that herring walks into the first punch of brocks and gets his face broken”

LMAO, that’s like saying Fedor doesn’t have a good ground and pound, it’s his opponents fault for having a head! Big Nogs not good at submissions, it’s his opponents fault for being stupid enough to have limbs!

Just amazing ignorance! No credit whatsoever to Lesnar for throwing the punch when he’s got no background as a standup fighter, just blind hatred.

No blind hatred at all but I’m making solid points. Its like you are all saying that Brock is gods gift to earth but when you look at it, he’s really not as great as you are all saying. I’m not worried that you don’t take my points seriously. I guess Randy is ten times the man for fighting a lazy Sylvia to a decision than Mir is for submitting him in his prime. Or why isn’t anyone confused on why Brock couldn’t finish Herring off even though he had control of the whole fight and Herring was injured? Not to mention people are talking about Mir not being able to take a punch… so what does that truly say about Brocks striking power? I’m not taking anything away from Brock because I think this is his fight to lose. I just would like you all to look at your extreme disrespsect for Mir and see that you can easily take away from the credibility of Brock as well. Mir by achilles lock.

I’m not a huge BL fan, but what impressed me is how he handed Mir a beating before the leg lock. Why do you think Mir can handle that kind of attack again? BL is new to the sport and is still learning, I’m sure Mir is too, but it doesn’t make Mir’s chin any stronger. All things considered, I think Brock will win but I wouldn’t say it’s a cynch either.

nO cogito! I dont think Attack is trying to say that Brock is gods gift to earth, he and I have both been trying to say that what he has accomplished in such a short career has been nothing short of astonishing! and that Mir is completely over rated and will without a doubt get KTFO!!!!

If Brock were fighting someone legit, doesnt even have to be a top 5 guy…just someone good like Carwin or Gonzaga, or even Werdum (when he is in shape, not Dos Santos shape)…NO one would be confidently saying that Brock would steamroll through his next opponent…but Mir is HOT SMELLY GARBAGE anywhere except when he is laying on his back!

All this talk about Lesnar actually having to Connect with his punches is just stupid…the guys hands are cynderblocks….he just needs to land a punch and Mir will be on queer street. Doesnt matter where it lands: eye socket, anywhere on the jaw, NOse, Temple, Ear, Behind the ear….wherever Brocks punches land on Mir’s face, is going to seriously hinder MIr’s ability in this fight if not KO his Biatch ass! This is the same Mir that couldnt take a punch from the midget Iian Freeman, or even worse, he got TKO’ed by that ju jitsu Panzy Pe de Pano Cruz…who throws punches like my littel sister! you have any idea how damn tough Herring is? 1 punch and he turtled up for the next 14 minutes. Mir doesnt have half of Herrings toughness, and he doesnt have any sort of head movement that would make me think that he can avoid getting punched in the face for 25 minutes…or are you expecting him to look like flyod Mayweather overnight? hahahah

I think Alves has a much better chance of beating GSP, and Bisping has a much better chance of Hendo, then Mir does of beating brock again..(remember Mazzagatti wont be there to help)..

aS a matter of fact..in my eyes…Mir is the biggest underdog on the card!

John you forgot to say “cage rage” midget Ian Freeman lol. Just makes him sound that little bit worse!

People are forgetting with the size of Lesnars arms and especially his fists he doesn’t have to catch you on the button to knock you bandy, as you say he just needs to land A punch, anywhere will do.

Good point odamn

k i admit that i was not impressed at the fast track brock received..and yeah he was a gay wwf (or wwe?? who cares) which made me think he was a joke at first..then you learn more about him and he was a serious wrestler and obviously he has been a training monkey forever..anyways..you can’t deny that brock has a talent base and he has had lots of time to improve his skills that he needs to work on..which are a lot..but the fact that he did well being so green to mma..sure it’s his massive size..but he does have speed and agility that you would not expect from such a big lug..who do you root for.. mir who i find pompous and with all his experience should give ham hands trouble..but i see the vanilla gorilla putting some hurt on him..i just wanna see a war..

Hey to all of the brock lesnar haters lets think about a few facts, heath herring 40 plus fights and no one really has finished heath even Fedor had a touph time and won by tko cut, in Brocks 3rd fight ever he completely controlled a 6 foot 4 250 lb man heath herring who’s been in the fighting game for 12 years plus, there is no way that from UFC 81 over a year in a half ago are we not going to see a far more knowledgable and more experienced brock lesnar against mir at UFC 100. My prediction Brock lesnar is going to take mir down land some GNP stand up quickly and repeat this for decision or stoppage. remember Matt hughes got subed by Penn the first time because lack of BJJ knowledge 2 years later in the rematch hughes destroyed penn

BJ has a double dose of laziness too though unfortunately.

Saying brock is just big and strong is a little short sighted, he obviously has very good technique in wrestling as well, his takedowns are a joy to behold and near flawless, the way he controls fighters on the ground and transitions without leaving any gaps is some of the best wrestling technique you will see at any weight class. Im looking forward to seeing how his sub defense shapes up on the ground, i dont think hes stupid enough to get caught in a sub from standing again.

Exactly, he is a true MIXED martial artist. Not someone who avoids takedowns and tries to kickbox.

“Mir is smarter, He is mentally stronger” – Pure speculation.

His standup has improved but lets face it, it couldn’t have gotten any worse.

“He is also bigger and stronger and faster than he has ever been” – Probably true, but no where near being on a par with Lesnar.

IMO Lesnar isn’t overhyped, what the guy has achieved in just 5 fights is unprecedented. I also believe Mir gets too much credit. A lucky win over a very green Lesnar and a win over a 10% fit Nog doesn’t make you a world beater. I cant think of any guys in the top 15 who Mir would beat other than Lesnar.