I thought Fedor was emporeror, not king?

Gold jacket, green jacket, who gives a sh!t.

He never said that was Fedors nickname!!! Just stating the fact that Fedor is a king!!!

Love the Happy Gilmore qoute!! lmao Relax belfort_fan I was making a joke, besides everyone knows Fedor isn’t the king, actually I’m pretty sure that’s why Ca$z hasn’t responded, King Chuck Norris has probably already roundhouse kicked him into oblivion for speaking such blasphemy!!

You should implement a quote of your book Dragon…everybody like humour…just not yours!

I just spoke to Fedor and he is happy with his new title.

So bow down and kiss the ring…..ALL HAIL KING FEDOR!

I bow down to his excellency, KING FEDOR!!! Long LIve the King!

Nobody is going to buy this last afflicrion ppv event (Aug 1st), theres only one good fight on the whole card (2 if you include the main event but we all know the result of that one already).
It’s competing with UFC 100 3 weeks before (July 11th), UFC 101 on Aug 8th and 102 3 weeks later (Aug 29th). So in a 7 week period ufc is putting on:
- GSP v Alves
- Penn v Florian
- Lesnar v Mir
- Nog v Couture
- Silva v Griffin

It doesnt even fucking compare and on top of that you get top contender fights in:
- Marquart v Maia
- Henderson v Bisping
- Fitch v P Thiago

and 20+ other match-ups including rising stars and fan favorites like:
Jnr Dos Santos
Keith Jardine
Chris Leben
Jon Jones
Gabe Gonzaga
Matt Hammill
Josh Neer
etc. etc. etc.

Why would you throw money away on lining Emilienenkos pockets, anyone more excited about Afflictions coming event than UFC coming events has got to be out of their mind.

so your the only genius around here zoo…lol, go back to city pound where you belong….

I’ve gotto agree with him. Take Fedor aside and the UFC is blowing away Affliction. I’m too hyped for 100 to give Affliction 3 much thought.

i will get the peg leg ready for you.

PEZ you think Rampage can beat Fedor…you did see the Forrest and Jardine fights right

wow pez… what drugs are you on and where can i get them? you think gonzaga or velasquez could beat fedor? did you watch cain’s last fight? the guy has weak stand up, zero power, and no way is he going to out wrestle fedor… i could go on and on but im not going to waste my time, your post is reeeetaaarded

you mean fedor would pick machida apart. elusive as machida is, fedor’s underrated quickness and power would be too much for machida. fedor would grab those leg kicks and block those jabs and take him down..game over..

Brendan while I agree that Cain isn’t ready for the top dogs yet and would be unlikely to beat Fedor the fact is that Fedors wrestling isn’t that great, I took the time to watch through all his early matches and re-watch his Pride fights and he loves to hook his elbow over the ropes when guys go for takedowns, he did this over and over against Matt Lindland (185lb fighter not top 10) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC_5Cfky-o0
Go watch that video, i counted at least ten times that he grabbed the ropes and stopped the takedown. At one point the ref is trying to drag his elbow back in the ring – its fucking laughable. Fedor went on to win the fight from position gained by a takedown leveraged from holding the rope, right as the ref was literally screaming “let go of the rope” and grabbing his hand. Obviously he can’t use this dirty trick in the UFC.
Randleman (185lb now, rubbish and as one dimensional as they come) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q34KGpiuB8&feature=related was able to take Fedor down with ease (you see Fedor reaching to grab the rope on the first takedown and being rag dolled on the second) of course Randleman has zero submission game – repeat zero!
Mark Hunt – (285lb a kick boxer who has dabbled in mma but hasn’t won an mma fight in 5 years and gets kimurad at the drop of a hat, I train in the same gym in Sydney as hunt and he is a big hard headed brawler, not a wrestler, no sub game – never was and never will be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2iifFWyY8Q
In their fight he was able to get mount from a sweep, hold side control for a long period of time, Fedor stuck his head through the ropes to get reset which wont happen in the octagon, hunt stuffed a bunch of takedowns and got side control, mount and back mount again. It would be a different story if Lesnar, Carwin, Mir, Gonzaga or Cain had him in any of these positions in a cage. Also Hunt carries a lot of fat and his cardio is awful, not so with the big wrestlers and jits guys in the ufc.
Mark Coleman – (205 now to try to be competitive, about 230lb when they fought- 1 dimensional fighter and old (40 and 42 in his two matches against fedor and out of shape- gassssed in minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMC2iztXo3w&feature=PlayList&p=82D2CB866ABEB9E3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=33 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQQ_rWQd4Q
In the first fight Coleman was able to take him down and get his back but eventually lost by arm bar, Fedor went for the elbow over the top rope trick again, second fight Coleman got schooled but was still able to take Fedor down twice and control him in the clinch in the corner – as usual when Fedor is threatened with a takedown his elbow goes over the ropes, Coleman gets arm barred again – big whoop.
Sooooo that leaves Arlovski and Sylvia (ufc rejects for a reason guys) Hong Man Choi and Zulu (ahem. cough cough. lmfao) and his two best wins – both decisions over cro cop and nog, neither guy looks good any more, herring threw away a win over nog, Sylvia was smashing nog but got caught (but hey its Sylvia) and Mir knocked his balls in. Cro cop (who, by the way, beat the shit out of josh Barnett only 3 months before he joined the ufc, by dominating him on the ground no less) went on to get broken in half by Gonzaga and owned by a then green Kongo)
So in conclusion, Barnett isn’t the #2 heavyweight unless you ignore his 3 losses to cro cop and loss to nog and his lack of competition since 2006, and its clear to see Fedor has been avoiding top fighters and padding his record for YEARS- he will get dominated in the octagon if he has the balls to step because the huge athletic young wrestlers and big jits guys who can strike will be able to dominate him against the cage and he wont be able to cheat by hooking the ropes, so what the fucks up Fedor worshipers!?!?

THE LAST EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES

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…..yawn……

hahaha! priceless reaction intro…the guy wrote a whole book and you only yawn about his efforts…very frustrating guy though!! lmfao

introverts brain doesnt respond well to rational arguements backed up by evidence – we know that already

Garra, seems that anything over a couple of sentences constitutes a book to you, do all the letters make your head hurt? Introvert, if the comment bored you so much why bother replying to it? or did reading for more than two minutes make you sweepy? awwwwwwwww

Well i sat and read it all and thought it was very interesting and that there were some very good points.

The thing is in the world of mma blogging there is one golden rule

SAY A BAD WORD ABOUT FEDOR AND YOU WILL BE FLAMED

But like i say zoo makes some good points. There are some monster wrestlers in the UFC H/W division who are more well rounded than Colman, Hunt, Randleman and Lindland put together.

To say that the likes of Carwin (who i don’t rate might i add), Cain, Randy and Brock couldn’t take Fedor down is laughable.

So your on the mat with him, is he gonna tap those off his back?? Possible but they all train at top camps and you’d like to think they would drill the hell out of arm-bar escapes.

I need to make it clear, Fedor is an absolutly fantastic fighter who would be clear favourite against all those listed but is he unbeatable… no.

I just wish he would come to the UFC so all this speculation would be put to rest.

Fedor is the best fighter in the history of combat sports….

Everyone can write all they want about why they don’t think he is the best, but it means shit.

What you people fail to understand is that Fedor doesn’t need to fight guys that are in the UFC just because it’s the most popular organization…they need to fight him if they want to prove they’re the best HW’s….you guys got it backwards.

Funny thing is, the thing that is stopping these fights from happening is political….how the fuck is that Fedor’s fault? You read countless of stories about how fighters dislike the UFC’s one-sided contracts, but when a guy says “you know what….I don’t need the UFC…I’m not signing with them”, every UFC ’hugger comes out of the woodwork to bash the fighter.

The fact that you can make an argument about whether or not Fedor is the #1 fighter in the world (whether you think he is or not), and Fedor has never fought in the biggest promotion on the planet, speaks volumes about him as a fighter.

Too bad for politics…I guess the UFC HW’s will be #2 (at best) for a while.

Ahhh thanks for clearing that up introvert, I see now that it’s not Fedor that’s wrong it’s the rest of the world that’s wrong. And Fedor isn’t able to make his own decisions he’s just a victim of a bad political situation that he has no control over, now I get it.

Sorry for not understanding that this one fighter stands alone and the mma world revolves solely around him – it doesn’t matter that the real competitive fights are in the ufc and a huge majority of fans want to see those fights. It doesnt matter that the organisations that pay him lose money hand over fist or that to accomodate his arrogance we are expected to fork out another $50 just to see him fight has-beens. Fedor is conning and ripping off fans, clouding the waters of the HW division and bringing down yet another MMA org. in the process.

So well done to Fedor, he got himself in a position where he claims to be the best fighter in the world but the best fights in the world arent open to him, its not clear who the best is and until Fedor signs with the UFC nobody will know, but it leads to discussions, so what?

I know your mind is made up along with a few other die hard Fedor cult followers but the information should be available for others to form a more informed and rational opinion on him.

hey, zoobird..dont remove your link…are youi ashamed? hahahaha! you got exposed big time bro!!!!

Gaara, take a deep breath, count to 10 and switch on your brain. You clearly have no idea what xwt is so click on my name and go to that site again and register then browse mma – you will then understand that you are only exposing your ignorance. You can thank me later slow learner.

its ok to be wrong sometimes

It would be awsome to be proven wrong though. I would gladly accept being wrong (for the very firt time in my life of course) if it meant I’d actually get to see it.

I thought I was wrong once, but it turns out I was mistaken.

Now that’s just hurtful

John G I know how much of a nuthugger u r of Barnett but to say He would be a champ in the ufc heavyweight division and defended a few times is going on a limb. True Barnett is a good all around fighter, but the only thing he is great at is submition. He could problably beat anybody at ufc heavyweight division but there are no easy match ups for him so he would lose one of those matches. He could probably win the ufc gold but wont be able to defend it.

I dont care if its a title fight, 3 round fight, or a bar fight…I couldnt care less if they put on ice skates and fought on a hokey Rink.,…TODAY, Barnett would be the favorite over every single fighter in the UFC heavyweight division.

he isn’t a nuthugger, it’s you that needs to realize how good Yoshi Barnetto is dkortez!
the experience and the skill of Barnett is great, and he hasn’t slowed down one bit..

Whoa Im sorry if i offended your boyfriend John, Rob. I know barnett is a good fighter but when u have trouble beating good strikers (cro cop and Rizzo) u r not as well rounded as u think u r. I think Barnett would have trouble beating Congo, yeah I said it now bash all u want on me but Congo is a great striker and would probably give a good fight against Barnett. Gonzaga its another name that comes to mind, Carwin, Lesnar(He is not the most technical fighter but the guy is huge and fast and would create problems to any hw except for Fedor who is on another level)Barnett is the best after Fedor but his chances to beat fedor are slim to none. and if Barnett were to come to the ufc I garantee that he would not be able to walk to the division like u think he would. I dont think Barnett would be able to have a 5 win streak in the ufc, capture Gold very likely, keeping it for a long time not likely.

rob and john are deluded, fedor needs to grow some nuts and join the ufc – barnett is shit – he hasnt won against a decent opponent in 5 years and has no chance in this fight, overeem would batter him and brock would smash him to pieces. he isnt a threat to any hw belt, catch a grip.

dkortez, you had a good argument going until you mentioned Kongo. He has zero ground game. Barnett is 10x the fighyer Cain is on the ground and you saw what he did to Kongo!

lol yeah i think i went a little over mentioning kongo but i was trying to make a point. my bad

rofl kortez…do you know that barnett is adcc champ? wrestle with couture on his ultimate prime? jesus christ… he will toss ur boy kongo back to africa..

Yet CroCop was able to dominate him on the ground, twice. How strange.

I agree 100% with John G and Rob, I thought that.
You mention an old 2001 fight with Rizzo which is completely pointless. At that point Rizzo was one of the most dangerous strikers going, and Barnetts main strength wasn’t striking but he still put on amazing show.Rizzo even though he didn’t get the descision definately beat Randy in his next match, even Randy looked surprised when he got the given the descision. People mention the Cro Cop losses, but instead of looking at Sherdog and checking a fighters history, if you took thetime to watch the fights one was a descision win for Cro Cop, the fight was stopped in the second match when Barnett had full mount because he dislocated his shoulder, the third loss was when Barnett had just finished fighting a major descision war against Nog and then went on to fight a fresh Cro Cop who had knocked out Wandy in the first round of the tournament. If you had bothered to watch the fights, you probably wouldn’t have wasted your time using them as examples as to why you believe Barnett is not that well rounded. If Dana wasn’t such a prick and let Barnett in the UFC he would have been Champ, and defended it a numerous amount of times, no doubt about it.

great post ade! LIke you said, its pretty pathetic when fighters just look up a fighters record and base their assumptions on mma math. Every fight has circumstances sorounding it and they need to be factored into the occasion. For example: Injuries, Ring rust, octagon debut, 1st time cuttind down to a new weight class. Intagibles are really important to the fight game, and you dont get to factor those things into your analysis if you dont take the time to watch fights and just look up a guys record.

ADe, thanks for taking the time to DESTROY that TROLLS entire crappy argument…I really didnt have the time yesterday to waste on such a worthless post!

Wow ade so many excuses for Barnett against CroCop, so a decision win doesn’t count? Right then that pretty much changes the whole face of MMA. DON’T BE SO FUCKING STUPID! Barnett couldn’t handle CroCop on the feet, got dominated on the ground and mounted with ease in that one.
Dislocating your own shoulder in a fight isn’t exactly a trait of a tough fighter either, you realise Barnett injured it in a scramble posting his arm awkwardly after ducking a high left roundhouse?? doesn’t it show a lack of conditioning or poor technique or just weak fucking shoulders? Whatever way you want to look at it he lost because he couldn’t continue the fight. And Ade – don’t be calling people out on not watching the fights and then tell us that Barnett had “full mount”, at no point in that fight did Barnett mount CroCop. Go watch the fights yourself you cocky idiot!

As far as your excuse for Barnett’s loss to CroCop in the 2006 fcabsolute tournament, Barnetts fight with Nog was a slow paced grappling match not a war as you claim. It was made up of majority ground transitions and sub attempts, neither fighter took significant damage and Barnett only fought for 8 minutes longer than CroCop did against Silva. Barnett got 1 hour 10 minutes to recover, CroCop got 1 hour 30 minutes to recover, your excuses don’t hold up to scrutiny ade. Barnett took a beating and was dominated on the ground by CroCop of all people! Twice!! If CroCop can do it there’s a bunch of UFC HWs who can do it too.

This comment is for jounyg I like Barnett too but I think there is a lot of doubt Barnett would be the champion if he was in the UFC. I have watched many Barnett fights and he must get the fight to ground against any good standup fighter his standup is ok at the best. This is the first time these fighters have really tested themselves for sometime. I think AA and Tim’s last fights are proof enough.

Sorry you arrogant prick, if you want to start with the name calling my mistake, it was a long time ago when I watched the fight, he had Cro Cop on his back and was on top of him but it wasn’t exactly full mount. Happy now, ike that really makes a whole lot of f@cking difference @sshole.

Yeah I hate the wwe WAR MIR!!!!

I hate it too. It’s totally fucked up. They talk of Brock or any other former ‘title holders’ as though they actually WON whatever title it is that the WWE gives. They talk as though it’s REAL. People even say, “Oh yeah, so and so was former champion . . .” Blah blah.

I think there are STILL some fools who think it’s real.

jesus! no wonder why you love brock so much….hahaha! guys check this kid out…just try and click his link…you can never stop laughing…never can imagine a guy that has randy orton on his link…or some tna, wwe links…yawwwwwnnnnnnn!!!!

way to totally miss the point gaara, try looking a little deeper – you will thank me later. shhhhhhhh

i agree yours is the worst

i mean the comment of zoo…someone call city pound and do their job here..this guy is spreading sh*t all over the place..

john, you always want to talk about the respect these guys deserve without ever being brave enough to discuss the horrible record barnett has in the last 5 years. Or how fedor has been dodging cometitive fights his whole career and claming great victories over washed up hasbeens as if he had beaten them in their hayday. neither of these guys get my respect, and i know that a majority of people watching mma feel the same way. if these guys were infact the two best fighters in the worls the numbers of tickets sold and ppv buys would be astronomical. The numberswill speak for themselves on this event again, the promotion will make another huge loss and they two con artists will line their pockets again with the money from die hard fans stupid enough to believe the hype and fork out cash for this.

Opinion over fighter respect aside, it’s assinine logic to use as evidence for making the point PPV buys for an organization on the shakiest of financial ground. If Fedor was under UFC contract, his first fight would etabish a PPV buy record, if we’re comparing apples to apples.

CL the word you are looking for is “asinine” and the term “assinine logic” is in fact a misspelling of a paradoxical oxymoron, not a great start. Now the reason that the organisation is on the “shakiest of financial ground” is because they are grossly overpaying fighters like Fedor to the point where he is earning way over his market value – i.e. the market demand for Fedor isn’t big enough for the promotion to make a profit on his fights. The fact is he is overpaid and unchallenged – a situation that Fedor is used to and seems to enjoy (look what happened to Pride, the last promotional organisation he headlined for)
You go on to claim that he would achieve a PPV buy record with his first fight in the UFC, something has hasn’t achieved in any promotion to date, do I need to point out that my opinion was based on valid reasoning citing a previous sequence of related events.
Your post was in fact both asinine and illogical, NOT MINE.

That Fedor hasn’t commanded the number of PPV buys the UFC enjoys, shouldn’t be hard for even a simpleton like you to understand. UFC is the known brand, and employs most of the top fighters, but not all. The UFC is a well run, stateside operation with obvious advantage over the former PRIDE or the goofs he currently works for. Also escaping your “valid reasoning” are the simple facts that Fedor is not from the states, nor has he shown himself to be interested in self-promotion. I stand by my statement and believe most knowledgable people will agree with me, that Fedor under the UFC banner would sell record PPV buys.

Going back to your first post and using your “logic”, lets just scrap fighter rankings compiled by knowledgable sources, and use PPV buys as the source to determine who the best fighters are. Re-read your post, it’s just plain silly….and for the record…hypocrite….contains several spelling errors.

hahaha! u sure schooled that monkey CL…lmfao

Well if you believe most knowledgable people will agree with you, you must be right.
A simpleton like me thought that Pride was a well known brand too and was available for PPV in the US and Asia Pacific markets. Me being so dumb, thought that there were lots of great fighters in Pride and that Brazilians and Canadians had also been huge PPV headliners in the UFC even though theyre not from the states. :{
My first post was a casual comment, whereas my second was a response to your disjointed attemp at pedantry. “Assenine” indeed, I love it.

Pride was a known brand too dipshit, they had loads of top fighters, pride ppvs were available in the US as well and in the far bigger Japan /Asia Pacific region, Brazilians and Canadians have headlined some of the UFCs best selling PPV cards, Fedor has been in TVads, web logs photo shoots, promo videos, games, magazines, websites and more – are they doing this against his will???? don’t think so dummy, he promotes himself as much or more than anyone else in the sport.
The rankings thing is just bullshit – the only real way to rank fighters is based on the outcome of fights – for this simple reason Fedor and Barnett cannot claim no1 and 2 spots.

Read your first post. As for PRIDE, the very simple, easy to understand point is that the UFC’s pockets are far deeper. Hell, the UFC bought PRIDE. The UFC’s marketing is vastly superior to any other organization’s.

As for fighter rankings, how do you think they are derived, by using a dartboard? I’m going way out on a limb here……but I’m guessing they are primarily going by………drumroll…..the actual outcome of fights. I am certain PPV numbers are not the best indicator of where a fighter stands in terms of rankings, which was the flawed logic I responded to in your first post. As per opinion on Fedor, you have yours, I have mine, time will tell, it’s not a problem.

CL, the problem is that time may not tell, the Couture match is pointless now, although Fedor is still in his prime time is a factor and if these fights don’t happen soon say within the next 3-4 years Fedor will be past his prime. I spend a lot of time posting about Fedor and am passionate about the argument. It’s because I want to watch him fight, and against the best win or lose, sooner rather than later. It’s the fights that I love not the fighters. I don’t rate Barnett as you can tell and if he is as good as some of you are saying he shouldn’t have been fighting Yvel, Rizzo or Yoshida. That is not real competition for a top HW. And he did get owned by Nog and CroCop who were also touted as near invincible when they arrived in the UFC.

The notion that fighters will leave their employers to seek out Fedor is ridiculous but unfortunately one that’s perpetuated by the likes of introvert, john, Rrob/roy and a handful of other small minded, blinkered nostalgia monkeys – I have no idea why they are so averse to change.

As far as rankings, you went out on a limb there and the limb broke. The sad fact is that the rankings most people read are put together by “expert” judges so are based on collective preferences and become reflections of popularity, bias and opinion. They don’t take into account current form, quality of opponents, quantity of fights or circumstances around the win/loss. Until we get more of the top HWs under one banner and get these guys fighting, the rankings mean very little.

I realise I am in a minority here but it doesn’t make my points any less valid.

Hey…many of your points are valid, I’m not disputing that. I’m not married to fighter rankings either. I didn’t agree with your inference that PPV numbers are THE barometer to gauge if a fighter, in this case Fedor, should be regarded as the top dog. It is fact that any ranking system or opinion is subjective. I do agree with you that I’d love to see Fedor vs some/any of the fighters you mentioned. It is valid to critisize SOME of Fedor’s body of work, especially recent. Looking at the whole career, time elapsed, and the resume holes I see in every other HW mentioned, I see Fedor as the top HW till someone proves otherwise. As for Fedor dodging tough fights, only he knows, but I don’t begrudge any fighter trying to earn top dollar in this very difficult sport, or of being wary of what we know can be very restrictive UFC contracts. I think most everyone would love to see all the best fighters in the same org, but I can’t blame the fighters for looking out for their best interests. Aside from that…..peace my friend….as most of your posts are good, interesting reads.

Well peace to you too CL, nice to find a verbal sparring partner.

I missed this out of my last post, should have been at the start:
The PPV thing may have been a bit of a stretch and I concede that the UFC has more reach than any other org. but I don’t think Fedor will set a PPV record in his first fight, or for that matter in any of his fights. First off he would have to continue to win, he will win some but I don’t think he can go 3 fights in the UFC without a loss. Secondly he is not nearly as popular as you think; most people don’t know about him, a lot of the ones that do know about him are the guys that buy the ppv cards no matter who is on. Fedor doesn’t have the mass appeal of someone like gsp/hughes or couture/lesnar.
See you in the next Fedor thread

And 220 lbs, Randy did great in that fight; he just got caught.

beating jose was his biggest accomplishment?not semmy or mighty mo?and props to lindland for trying to challenge himself he was the one looking for the fight since he could not find good mw’s outside of the ufc at the time.you don’t even know the fighters that you are talking about.

Actually Hong Man Choi’s biggest accomplishment is his pituitary gland. As far as Lindland is concerned why does he deserve props? He was expected to get his ass handed to him and that is what happened, big deal. He would get props if he lasted longer than half a round. Maybe if lindland wasnt a complete douche and knew how to do more than dry hump his way to victory he would have still been in the UFC instead of getting released for being boring, Then he woudnt have to fly to russia to get beat up. I can get beat up by fedor and nobody would give me props so no props to the law.

No…the “best HW’s in the world” were fighting for other orgs while the UFC fighters were fighting the lesser tier of HW’s…..each other.

actually lindland did good till he lost, he looked better than tim and he did good against rampage.and your right no props to you.

roy i just want to point out that hong-man choi beat schilt and mighty mo in a different sport – we are talking about mma here, i think you want kickboxing mania dot com, it makes your comment about knowing the fighters you talk about laughable. At least hellahectic can get the right sport. hahahahahahahahahahahnahaha

lol your a joke you think i didn’t know it was in k-1.keep reaching.

So you knew your point was irrelevant but you posted it anyway? Well done.