Nate Diaz: 'I lost a 15-minute grappling match' at TUF 9 Finale
by Jesse Holland on Jun 22, 2009 12:27 PM EDT
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"Joe's a good dude, a tough fighter. I did some things I shouldn't have did, I shoulda pushed off and played a little smarter game ... I felt kinda discouraged when I hit my back in the first round, just didn't seem like it was goin' so good. I shoulda just changed things up a little, pushed him off me and maybe not tried to have grappled him so much. I knew he was gonna try and lay there and hold. I figured the smartest gameplan for him or anybody else out there would be to hold me there and not do anything. When he was holding me I didn't feel too motivated about getting up. I'm kinda disappointed because my brother just won and I lost, but I feel more like I just lost a 15-minute grappling match than I did a fight. It sucks."
The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 5 winner Nate Diaz talks about his disappointing unanimous decision loss to Joe Stevenson at TUF 9 Finale this past weekend. It was his second straight loss inside the Octagon after winning five straight and further diminished his chances at a division title shot, which could have possibly been within reach with a few more impressive wins. The good news is that the fighter out of Stockton, Calif., is just 23 years old. In the grand scheme of things the loss to "Daddy" seems like a minor speed bump; however, it appears to be tough to swallow nonetheless. He and Stevenson each earned $25,000 bonuses for putting on one of three "Fights of the Night."
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Minor setback for Nate. He is too talented not to succeed. Just work your @ss off like your bro, homey!
by OJR on Jun 22, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Am sure his brother will help him get better
Miguel Torres interview
http://www.versus.com/wec
by SLEEPER on Jun 22, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a minor setback but I think he needs to work on the “didn’t feel too motivated about getting up” part. What’s that about? Being easily discouraged and unmotivated will screw you every time regardless of the opponent. Nick isn’t his opponent or competition. Get it together Diaz, you’re better than that.
by DSmith on Jun 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really enjoyed the fight but Nate needs to get stronger. SIMPLE AS THAT! He has the skills, he has the head, the heart…he just needs to get stronger or he will strruggle with all the strong wretslers in the lightweight division.
by John G on Jun 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. We all know wrestling strength is superhuman but bow hard will it be for him to make weight at 155 if he gains too much muscle mass? His strength and conditioning coaches will have to get very creative. Does he even have one or does he just participate in triathlons like Nick?
by DSmith on Jun 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stronger yes. He also needs to be more active with his standup game to do a better job of punishing opponents who shoot for takedowns. An occasional sprawl wouldn’t hurt either.
by CL on Jun 22, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t even know what to think about nates fight~
he knows he needed to keep that gap~ and box..
somethings wrong with that boys head lately~
think about the losses~ joe daddy~ guida and franca..
theyt need to set him up against frankie edgar!!
nate knows how to beat the small muscles guys, he just hasn’t done it yet..
trust me nate has trained for little guys, his camp has set up great game plans~ nate just hasn’t been following through with that plan..
and the main part of that ‘plan’, is too keep a mutha focking gap, and box!! dang nate!! dang~ stick to the plan already!!
did u guys hear what nick was yelling at his bro??
i heard some of it~ and let me tell u, nick wasn’t happy with nate performance..
by stinky~fingers on Jun 23, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if ur getting pissed off about people holding you down then dont let them and make sure the fight is kept standing so u can pitter patter them with ur boxing! fucking hate this guy!
by Randy for Couture on Jun 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing is losing, which sucks I was pulling for diaz. Got to give Joe “daddy” credit though, he had a good game plan. What was he supposed to do, stand with him?
by Dragon on Jun 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And this wasn’t a boring grappling match either; Joe wasn’t going all out lay n pray on Diaz, they were putting work in. This was a decent fight imo.
by O damn he got caught on Jun 22, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you are right. It was a decent match. Joe had a plan, nullified Nate’s strengths and controlled where the fight went.
by DJ on Jun 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, Im all with both of ya there.
Stevenson looked great controlling Diaz like he did. I was really impressed.
by Luppers on Jun 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct there was some crazy transitions and scambles going on for sure. I thought it was a great fight!
by Dragon on Jun 22, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well when your a professional MMA fighter, you should be able to do something besides just lay there. He’s trying to end the fight, why aren’t you?
by Crackbaby on Jun 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well when you’re a professional mma figher, you should be able to do something about someone is “just laying there”. He can control where the fight ends up, why can’t you?
It is 2009. You can’t have such a huge weakness in one of the most important aspects of mma (wrestling) and expect to become championship caliber. People will see this in a huge way when Maia fights Marquardt.
by yohnstoppable on Jun 22, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, he has control of the fight, why doesn’t he do something with it? The guy is laying there helplessly trying for a submission because he is more than likely weaker, you should be able to take advantage of that.
by Crackbaby on Jun 22, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yohnstoppable,
Your implying that Maia will lose to MarQuardt since he doesn’t have the same well rounded skills, just the Jits??? I agree if this is what your saying, because Marquardt’s kickboxing is on a different level and he is a decent wrestler…
by SDMMA on Jun 22, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy watching both Nick and Nate. To Nate’s credit he’s owning his own mistakes and not trash talking Joe.
I don’t think Nick would be able to keep his cool given the same set of circumstances.
by jtc2112 on Jun 22, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hEY TAKES A SHOT AT jOE.
I lost a 15 min grappling match!!
Whatever Diaz has never lost a MMA fight, but according to him he has lost a grappling match vs stevenson and a wrestling match vs guida.
Learn how to control a fight like Machida, or Liddell in his day or many others.
by Badguy on Jun 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OFF TOPIC but this goes to all of the guys on here to like to use the “Keyboard Warriors” buzzword when we were talking about a fight or a fighter. STFU! This is a blog site. We are here to give opinions and talk about this stuff. It’s like sports radio. If everyone called in and said, “yea i like the team, there’s no problems, i hope they win tonight. I hope they don’t beat the other team by too many points though cuz they are good guys as well”, nobody would listen. You guys call us haters and act like we shouldn’t have an opinion about who won a fight or a guys limited skillset unless we train or fight ourselves. I don’t need to play in the NFL to tell you that Ellis Hobbs has scared the crap out of me every time he’s on the field. I don’t need to have played in MLB to tell you Dice-K is an awful pitcher right now. The guy was lights out in the WBC and can’t do anything right now. The (enter name here) fighter apologists gotta chill out. For the most part, people on this site don’t like Guida. We’ll continue to say so. You can drop the keyboard warrior buzzword because it makes no sense. We are discussing opinions on a sport, not calling the guy out. You guys jump down peoples throats for opinions and you are the ones trying to act tough on the internet. Stick to talking about the fighters and stop attacking posters because you have no better way to defend your boy Guida or any other boring fighter you may be a fan of.
by Crowls on Jun 22, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m not cryin bud. It’s just retarded when we are discussing a fight and guys take it so personal like they are that fighter…hey maybe they are who knows
by Crowls on Jun 22, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t get your crotchless panties all in a wad over someone that has a different opinion than the concensus on this site. If you are offended by the term “keyboard warrior” then you have some thin skin dude and maybe this ain’t the blog for you and you’d be more comfortable on the view’s blog. You said yourself that this is a blog and we can say what we want. When someone has a different opinion or different point of view…don’t hate…debate.
by Buster Bluth on Jun 22, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u guys need to keep in mind that high school is done for the summer…so all the horny little boys that Jerk off every night to their Gina Carano posters in their parents house, will be INFESTING this site for the summer. Its really a shame, that these little kids are going to ruin this site for the next couple months, but its something we will have to deal with.
All the reasonable and respectable people that actually know how to act and conduct themselves on this site need to make a conscious effort to just avoid responding to the little kids that are on summer break, that will continue to just attack people and bring nothing to the table!
by JOhn G on Jun 23, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol i was just gunna say the same thing…this guy needs to stop whining cuz he sounds like a women and this is a mma site
by JG on Jun 22, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sound like a women?? women is plural. “a” indicates you meant to use the singular form.
P.S. eat a dick
by Crowls on Jun 22, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he meant women in its plural form in as you sound like “lots of women”
j/k, just giving you sh!t, I really don’t care one way or the other about the term “keyboard warrior”; I’ve been called worse, probably by better people too.
by O damn he got caught on Jun 22, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are whinning man! Im not bashing you, but you make a random ass rant like that out of nowhere. That is being a baby.
by lokie on Jun 22, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“a women” could be like a “gaggle” or a “herd” sometimes they’re like that too..
by O damn he got caught on Jun 22, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, good stuff. yea, like a murder of crows. yea, I am such a woman that I could be considered multiple women. Makes horse sense to me.
by Crowls on Jun 22, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at this piece of shit finally decide to drop another load of crap.
First you come in here a few months ago and rip on mask, and how you call him a degenerate drunk driver and now this spew of bile.
Assholes like you should be castrated have have to endure watching your trash ho mama get prison fucked by 50 guys who will make you a new brother!
Prick
by liukangstoupee on Jun 22, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Crowls, I hear ya. I know what you’re saying. It’s one of those matters when you know you’re neutral about critiquing the fights and fighters as a fan of the sport and you just gotta not give a damn about the “keyboard warriors” crap.
Although, if you’re saying shit like “Guida’s a FAG man, he’s SHIT” then I suppose it’d be warranted.
by Kobajack on Jun 22, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily that you are considered as being multiple women, but just SOUND like a group of women. It’s like a congregation of the mothers that go off trying to get movies/games banned cause their kid caught a peek all packed nice n tight into one concise post. It’s a work of art, really..
by O damn he got caught on Jun 22, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crowls,
I understand what you are posting. But its an uphill battle, man. I just had some poster who I owned in a thread last week call me a motherf*cker. Don’t let it affect you.
by OJR on Jun 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should have just said, “Yeah, well your mom wasn’t complaining.”
by KS on Jun 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KS-
LOL. Nice.
Yeah but he was just trolling at that point and I wasn’t in the mood to own him again.
Its Monday and I am still sleepy. Zzzzzzz…
by OJR on Jun 22, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OJR, Yea I know but these guys are absurd sometimes.
by Crowls on Jun 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can’t argue using facts and logic then resort to name-calling.
by PW on Jun 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a waste of emotion to get angry at some anonymous poster on a blog such as this one. If you put your opinion in a public forum be prepared to get every sort of nonsense thrown at you. Pick and choose those in which you want to debate and leave it at that. Let the trolls feast on each other.
by RealDrew on Jun 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lmao i was just gunna tell him to stop bitchin to….he sounds just like a women and this is a mma site
by JG on Jun 22, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit your bitching you sound like a “women”. Hahaha lighten up Crowls it’s just the internet, don’t be so sensitive.
by Dragon on Jun 22, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s got a legitimate point about the signal to noise ratio around here.
People who think that the right and only way to be a sports fan is to support a team or a fighter no matter what, and defend them from every criticism (whether it’s legitimate or not) are fucked in the head. They can turn their brains off and foam at the mouth, but I for one don’t plan to.
by MattNY on Jun 23, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I picked Joe to win and it worked out. I think Nate is very talented and he’ll be fine. But in a sport where guys are very respectful of one another Nate and his brother are Douche Bags. I like to see guys go to war and I like when guys sell a fight by talking Sh!t about each other, but I hate to see one guy hold his glove out to touch em up at the beginning of a round and the other guy not do it. From memory Nate didn’t touch em up to start the fight, in the second round he did and in the 3rd round he shook his head no. I know shaking hands or touching gloves isn’t in the rules, but I don’t think he is respectful to other fighters. And for that I really don’t root for him. His antics out weigh his ability in my opinion. Like when he flipped off the crowd (or who ever) when he was submitting (I think it was pelligrino.
Sorry to rant, but being left hanging sucks. It’s happened to all of us. You know you have put your hand out for someone and they just blew it off. You know you then wanted to beat the P!ss out of them. Maybe it’s me and maybe I need anger management classes but that just iritates me when fighters don’t touch em up. If both decide not to, then it’s o.k.
Man I need a drink.
by BeerMan on Jun 22, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Remeber Nick lost three decisions in the UFC when he was younger. I think without question he could avenge all three of those loss’s today. Nate will only get better. It’s not like either one got brutalley knocked out. War Diaz
by Mike on Jun 22, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like both guys as fighters. But Joe could have pushed the gnp more in this fight. I have to say one thing. Ground fighting is awesome. But wrestling is not a martial art and never will be. If you fight on the ground either you try to improve your position or you try to do damage.
by Yoda on Jun 22, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrestling is still none the less an art and one of the most important skills u need to be an mma fighter, I loved the fight it was constant movements and some sick moves joe used
by phenomenal angel on Jun 22, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is wrestling not a martial art?
It absolutley is tougher to learn, there
are a 100 times more moves and positions to learn.
It obviously can be used as self defense.
When you have a pure wrestler Vs Pure Striker the wrestler will win most of the time.
Back in the early days when that is the way it was wresters dominated.
Other then Gracie, who used his gi as a tool/weapon to finish fights and control people in the guard.
Anyone who says wrestling isnt a martial arts is crazy and clueless.
Top shelf wrestlers with almost no BJJ exp go to the highest level BJJ tournaments and do very well and often win. What do you think the chances of a top BJJ guy going to a top level college tournament after two months of practice and doing well?
Answer=Zero
by Badguy on Jun 22, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh a top level bjj guy would not mind getting taken down that’s what top level bjj guys do best is gaining a dominant position whether they get taken down or pull guard, and sinking in the submission for the tap.
by El Paladin on Jun 22, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No top level wrestler with little to zero BJJ experiance is gonna dominate a high lvl BJJ tournament. Maybe amateur events but top BJJ guys will make quick work of them
by Jye on Jun 23, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Nate…You’re not your brother and you never will be. So knock off the antics in the cage and be your own fighter.
by Big Daddio on Jun 22, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s doing fine, if Nick had lost that fight he’d be trash talking Joe for weeks; Nate is definatley the more layed back out of the two, and more respectful to his opponents after a loss.
by O damn he got caught on Jun 22, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was a hard fight for me to watch, I’m a huge Diaz Bros fan and I can’t stand Joe Daddy so this was a bit of a disaster for me. Nate will come back a better fighter, he needs to work on his takedown defence but he has the potential to be a future LW champion.
by David W-S on Jun 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Same here. You would expect MMA fighters to want to finish their fights, but when they’re scared the entire fight, they just lay on them and let their weight and strength take over, exciting..
by Crackbaby on Jun 22, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually root for Nate, but in this match I was on Joe’s side. He seems like such a positive dude, its hard not to root for him. Plus he had lost his last 2 fights, so the man needed a break.
by MMAFan on Jun 22, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
very good fight. i really enjoyed it. if nate is complaining about “holding”…this is two times he’s let it happen to him. find a way to get out, nate. you’re a mixed marial artist like you said. this is part of the game. bitching at someone because they’re controlling you isn’t an effective technique to get back to your feet or get out.
good, solid win for joe. good to see him get back to doing some grappling.his last couple of fights have been way too predictable.
by battery on Jun 22, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To the grappling haters out there, you need to either stop watching mma or move on to boxing or k1. 90% of the sucessful fighters on the circuit have grappling backgrounds or use grappling and their primary training.
What’s diaz complaining about? He is not the most effective striker out there, he usually will try and finish opponents on the ground anyways. Joe best him at his own game.
by dball on Jun 22, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the diaz borthers have never been good wrestlers. is that a surprise to any1?
by lefthook187 on Jun 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a pussy whining about why he lost…he got his ass kicked in and he better get used to it or he will be like his brother and get his ass dumped from the UFC cause they just aren’t good enough to fight the best! loser!
by The Truth Hurts on Jun 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know truth hurts I think nick could still fight in the ufc and dominate and nate is still young hell be back,you know who I would like to see fight is clay guida vs joe stevenson that should be an interesting fight
by denni on Jun 22, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nate has the physique of a 12 year old. Its one thing to rely on your skills when you are fighting a chump on the street but when you are fighting a trained fighter that knows the game and is physically stronger than you this is what happens. This fight played out exactly how I thought it would. If nate was a little stronger maybe he could of pulled out a submission on the ground (i do think his bjj is superior to Joe’s) but that’s the only way I see him winning. He ain’t knocking anybody out
by El Paladin on Jun 22, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe you meant to say “12 year old girl!”
by griffinfan05 on Jun 23, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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