Bas Rutten: 'I have zero respect for Kimbo Slice'

Right again Bas! lol

Bas is the man. Enough said. Kimbo is lucky Bas doesn’t liver punch him.

What I meant was, Bas get in line with the rest of us who have no respect for Kimbo’s MMA skills.

If you are a trainer and your student sucks, but said student then goes and trains with Rashad(non-trainer) and does well, you look like a crappy trainer or motivator. If he does well Bas looks like a chump. Get it now?

putting it that way yes mate, But i find it hard to believe Bas would say this without a reason.

Bas looks like a chump either way. He’s was making excuses for why Kimbo was so terrible when in reality Bas had no control in their relationship. Besides its my understanding that the fight never went to the ground and Kimbo was right he didn’t need to train on heel hooks and ankle locks. Anyway Bas doesn’t look like the kind of guy I would want to go under and train, Kimbo in no way looked any better through out any of his fights and Bas talks trash about him in hind sight… not the kind of guy I want backing me in my corner.

On the subject of Bas, who else has he ever trained? You would think that he trained somebody better than Kimbo, but I’ve never heard anyone mention him in a victory speech or anything like that.

True that Cogito.

Dwaine Ludwig is one that comes to mind; you’re right though, it’s not like ATT, Extreme Couture or Jackson’s Camp; there aren’t a boat load of people coming out of Bas’s gym and doing big things. Though, that could be credited to Bas being more involved with other business endeavors and maybe only training a handful of guys.

I will say that a lot of people were accusing Bas of training Kimbo for money/publicity, and I don’t blame him for coming out with the truth of things especially considering all the negative press that followed Kimbo Slice before and especially after his EXC loss. That type of press reflects poorly on a trainer; and it’s not Bas’s fault that Kimbo refuses to learn the ground game.

K-SOS, Dwaine Bang, Benji Radich, quite a few good jap. fighters. Hes trained alot of good people but he is also busy with lots of other business ventures.

Yea I forgot about Benji, thats another good prospect.

FYI, does anyone really believe Kimbo Slice had the money to train under Bas Rutten when he first started out? I doubt it; Bas probably did him a huge favour.

Kimbo may not have had the money but his boss with the porn sites does (Icy Mikey ?).

I thought Dwaine Ludwig trained under Trever Whitman. But maybe he’s just his stand up coach.

He’s trained with Bas on and off for MMA, you’ll see Bas in his corner for the Jonathan Goulet fight, last time I saw him in the UFC. I also think Dwaine hates training the ground game, it wouldn’t surprise me if they butt heads over that.

I seriously doubt Bas will lose any credibility over Kimbo. Bas is a very well respected veteran. Regardless of how Kimbo does in the future Bas loses nothing.

Would’ve loved to see Dwaine continue in the UFC at 155, the 155 division has some great grapplers, but only a handful of great strikers and Dwaine would definatley be able to give any striker at 155 a damn good fight. His ground game is definatley lacking, but if he really worked on it he could be a force. Though Penn already owned him once.

Mark Kerr was trained by Bas back when Kerr was one of the top fighters in the world. Kerr had a self-destructive personality that ultimately led to their separation, but he was a monster at times in the ring.

Yea I remember that too; I saw his movie “The Smashing Machine” where he was training with Bas and then cutting out early to be with his girl. IMO she looked like a total druggie and he shoulda got rid of her.

DJ, I think he will win the first fight of TUF, versus a can of course. But he will be off the MMA radar right after the Ultimate Finale for TUF10. He is gonna get crushed by most of the guys in this house, but I think they will find one of them to lose to him just to get the interest up.

great post John, I posted this interview last week, i thought it was right on! Bas has no reason to lie!

hey kevin didnt u post some time last week that kimbo may have lost his first fight and might have left the show?

or was that just a wet dream i had

I posted it! It’s a rumor, but from a reputable source. I called it too, once he loses and has no chance at making the UFC, why would he stay in the house? Time to find a homeless guy to fight in icey mike’s backyard!

dude agree, specially if what dana said was true and he gets a “special contact if he wins” there would be no point, and from that thread above with Bas saying kimbo didnt wanna learn, there would be no point staying, so if he didnt leave of his own accord hopefully the UFC brass just tell him to get out.

well here is too wishfull thinking and a glass chin…. oh wait the latter is true

I agree Cogito! Bas was getting alot of attention as a trainer because of Kimbo.

A lot of NEGATIVE attention as well as positive came with Kimbo Slice, there wasn’t some huge upside to Bas training Kimbo ppl AND losing money at the same time, because the time he spent training Kimbo could’ve been spent on other business endeavours. You guys are mistaken if you think Bas made some kind of fortune off of training Kimbo, he was doing the guy a favour. Could you please tell me what he had to gain from training Kimbo? You think Kimbo pays Bas more for training than Dwaine Ludwig or Benji Radich just cause he’s Kimbo? Bas makes the same damn $$$ regardless; get off it. He tried to do the guy a favour and it came back to bite him in the @ss.

I mean seriously, who thought going into this that Kimbo Slice was going to be the next big HW MMA legend? Who thought he was going to come in and beat Fedor, Randy Couture, Overeem, Cro Cop, Lesnar, etc…

And you serioulsy think Bas Rutten is that stupid when it comes to fighting/fighters?? Come on…

Your so wrong its not even funny. So whats the difference between training a relative nobody where you have to put in the work and training an actual mma fighter? much easier to train the fighter. Did Bas give that kind of attention to a nobody and hype him like he did? No. Did Bas do little interviews for Kimbo and put his name out there? Yes. Bas had to jump in the spot light while he could. If you think there is no upside to training a high profile name like Kimbo or that there is no upside to him fighting on CBS, then it is you who was mistaken. So I ask the question, if Bas knew Kimbo was going to be a nobody why did he train him? Why did he even bother trying to help him out when Kimbo clearly doesn’t belong in the sport? My friend we call that a sell out. I’m suprised Bas didn’t help Conseco for his fight jeez. I’m sorry I’m grilling you on this subject cause i normally agree with you but Bas is in the wrong here. He is just displaying what a poor choice he made and on top of that his inability to control the fighters he trains. Duane and Benji still are not that impressive of fighters, so I don’t think he’s the great trainer everyone makes him out to be. Who cares about Kimbo learning to defend ankle locks and knee bars, he should have been teaching Kimbo take down defense and how to use his gaurd to avoid even being put into those submissions.

“if Bas knew Kimbo was going to be a nobody why did he train him?”

He didn’t know, thats the point; the guy came in with “potential” why didn’t you read bas’s quote? there’s a line that says “I misjudged him, he turned into a whole different person.”; which would indicate to me that Kimbo started off well, and then declined as time went on.

Kimbo was hated for the attention he was getting in MMA from the moment he fought Ray Mercer; guys that had been in YEARS put in time/hard work, all that sacrifice and here comes this new guy; out of nowhere making way more $$ then they made their whole carreer. How many top guys do you think were even WILLING to give Kimbo a chance? Bas did this guy a favour and now he’s getting REEMED for it.

No, you’re wrong imo, your accusation is completely off base; you wanna look at the upside and only the upside from training Kimbo, how about all the bad press (ie. you can see a sample in this thread), how about all the fighters/trainers in MMA who had a problem with this newbie stepping in with more publicity/money than guys who have been in for years? Bas took a huge risk in training this guy; and taking him under his wing. Get off the conspiracy theory, why does Bas Rutten need Kimbo Slice to help him make a name for himself? He’s already made a name for himself as one of the best fighters on the planet in his time!! Come on; it sounds like you’re just lookin for any reason you can grab on to to view this in a negative way.

If Kimbo slice had given his all in training and really attempted to improve on his all around MMA game I have a hard time believing Bas would stop training him after a loss. Why doesn’t he stop training guys like Benji Radick, or Dwaine Ludwig after a loss?

Your argument doesn’t make sense; I’m still wanting to know what Bas got out of training Kimbo. Where are all these “benefits” he’s reaped, where’s all the $$$ he made off of Kimbo Slice at? What’s he trying to do, get more students?? He’s already said in a previous interview he barely has time for the students he’s training now! He had to train Kimbo at the same time he was training another fighter cause he didn’t have the time to do both seperatley! What exactly was the upside? All you’re saying is “publicity”; like people in MMA don’t know who Bas Rutten is?

The rebuttles on its way, no I don’t agree with u, and no I don’t think I’m “so wrong its not even funny”.

How can you disagree with me, its FACT. Was Bas talking trash about Kimbo before or after the fight? Exactly so disagree all you want. Bas is a chump!

yeah, but waiting a year to talk trash doesn’t exactly add up to seth being the reason! Not to mention, bas always said he wasn’t wanting to train ground game, sounds to me like he finally got fed up with a guy who thought he was way more talented than he actually is!

So the FACT is that you’re complaining because Bas decided to let the truth out AFTER he was done training Kimbo and he realized he wasn’t able to coach Kimbo, instead of ripping on him the ENTIRE time that he trained him? Yea that makes a lot of sense there bud..

No I’m mad at the fact that he didn’t stop training Kimbo when Kimbo wasn’t listening, and now he’s complaining about it. If you didn’t have a problem with it when he was fighting on the big cards against cans, ruining the legitmacy of the sport, then why do you bring it up now? To show what a huge dueche you can be? So your telling me he should be allowed to accept Kimbo’s accomplishments without accepting his faults? If you have a bad apple in your camp then you cut him out. The problem is Bas was acting more like a business man than a trainer. When the question was raised about Kimbos ground game, Bas’s answer was “Kimbo is working hard on this ground game, it just takes time to evolve it”. So before the Seth fight Kimbo was listening but afterwards he didn’t give a care at all. k makes sense, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Wtf did you want him to do? Start bad mouthing his fighter? Give me a break; no one does that, period. ANY trainer would have said the exact same sh!t, to give their guy the benefit of the doubt. And I don’t know that you noticed but the entire quote starts with the line “I misjudged him, he turned into a whole different person”, which tells me things started off good and gradually declined from there!

“No I’m mad at the fact that he didn’t stop training Kimbo when Kimbo wasn’t listening”

Sounds to me like he sat down with him and called him an @sshole when he wasn’t listening! You act like you know what all went on in that training. You weren’t anywhere near it! So Kimbo comes in one day, doesn’t feel like doing ground work and Bas is supposed to be like “o, you’re done buddy, gtfo of here, get out of my gym cause you don’t want to work the ground today.” I’m sure just like with anyone else, there was a period of time where Bas was trying to make this work before completely giving up on it. Give me a break; don’t act like Bas Rutten knew what this guys future held, or like Kimbo Slice did ANYTHING for Bas Rutten.