go watch jiu-jitsu then, and get out of here day1er…

Its called MMA not kick boxing dude, I enjoy ground fighting with submissions mixed with some standing and striking hence the name MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. You blood thirsty fans think that if someone doesnt get knocked stiff then fight sucked. May you “ROB” should stick to K-1 or kick boxing!!!! Good point day1er people like rob need to stick to boxing!!!!!

unfortunately if you prefer a good standup while watching mma youre told youre not a true fan. but if you are a jits fan and prefer that to anything else you are as pure as gold here. nice double standards. as i see it takedowns dont mean crap if you cant follow it up with any damage. if i lay on top of my wife am i making love to her a beating the shit outta here. the way i saw it last night diego did way maoe damage from the bottom with those elbows then clay did the entire fight to diego. i even scored it 3 rounds to zero for diego because of it. hate me now.

Most of the people on here are intelligent fans and enjoy a good ground fight as much as a good stand-up fight. Key word being GOOD ground fight. Huggie does not give us that. He gets the takedown and sits in guard with his face in his opponent’s chest. He makes no attempt to pass guard and work some ground and pound, nor does he attempt to posture and throw meaningful strikes. All he does is throw weak arm punches and hump like a coked up rabbit. That’s why most people here hate watching his fights. He sits on people and rides out the clock. He is lay ’n pray at its absolute worst.

U are all wrong! Yes the ground game is beautiful, but clay’s is just boring! THere isnt anything JU JITSU about Clay’s ground game. Single or double leg takedown…right into his opponents guard. Doesnt even attempt to pass guard.Doesnt even think about attempting any submissions. He is content to stay in guard, with his head pressed against his opponents chest (taking absolutely ZERO risk)…and then only thing that he does is a even more pathetic version of “Swicking oUt”…

He is a very tough guy, that is a great wrestler and always comes in shape…But he is CONFUSED. He doesnt even remotely attempt to end a fight. In his mind, he just wants to get a takedown at the end of every round so that he can win the round. Its just a sad and pathetic Mentality that no one who considers them selves a top fighter in any division should be implementing! Something needs to be done about the scoring so that fighters like Clay cant continue to win fights by simply spending more time on top. THrilled that the judges didnt let him HUMP his way to a decision. Clay’s toughness n chin did impress me last night…but when your best attack is G n P, and you spend an entire round on top of your opponent, and your opponent still out strikes you with power shots, and number of shots….then your G N P is pretty BUSTED and that tells me that you couldnt care less about trying to end a fight!

Im not a big Diego fan, but I do enjoy watching him fight because his fights are always exciting. Diego might not be my favorite fighter but I will always appreciate the fact that he BUmped Huggie out of title contention!

Thank you Diego!

There’s a happy medium though. The difference is that the guys who like the ground game still like the standup (everyone likes the standup), but the guys who just like the standup on a lot of occasions dismiss the ground game.

I agree though with you though. I like both styles but I gave the fight 30-27 to Diego. I’ve only watched the fight once but I think I’d still see it that way. If I changed my view at all, at the very least, I would make round 2 a draw.

Diego put on a show! What a performance. His striking was really Nasty. flying Knees, head kicks, uppercuts, elbows…what an all out assault! I will have to give huggie some props for showing a lot of heart and grit…also Big UPs to his chin! But he still did, what he always does. Works for the takedown, then sits in your guard, not even attempting to try to pass it..and he then puts his head on his opponents chest (COWARDLY) and does a variation of "Swicking OUt". Never attempts to pass guard, never attempts any submissions, barely ever even postures up to try and land a power strike in the G n P….Its just Pathetic actually! The guy doesnt even remotely TRY to Finish a fight. If he isnt matched up against an exciting opponent….he will Bore us to death on route to decision wins EVERY SINGLE time…Same tired acts! Its really true, his fights are only exciting cause his opponents are exciting…because Guida fights the same exact way every time. Look at the Danzig fight….that was boring as hell…why cause Danzig is boring! But when you combine an a supperior opponent with an exciting style and guida’s frantic pace…then you get for a very entertaining fight.

Guida takes ZERO chances! NO risk, NO REWARD! All he does is stay in the Safest positions as possible through out an entire fight. THats why his offense blows. He basically just wants to get top position, and defend his way to a decision. Its pretty pathetic that he had top position during the entire 2nd round…and Diego threw 2 times the amount of strikes off his back, then Clay did out of top position.

Im sorry, but even though he has heart, a chin, and doesnt quit…I cant get behind a guy that just fights tRYING NOT TO LOSE! He never attempts to pass guard! Why? Cause its safe! If he tries to pass guard, he leaves himself open to be swept. He never postures up to land power punches when he is in his opponents guard! Why? Because that would allow his opponent a chance at a submission. I mean, sure you could say that he is very good at nullifying his opponents, but in the process, he nullifies his own attack…and it leaves us, with very little action. Lucky for us, that Diego is a warrior and with Huggie doing everything in his power to dry hump, Diego still managed to make it an exciting match and put a hurting on guida!

diego said it perfectly in the prefight promo video………guida is one of those guys who has an exscuse for every loss he has……and diegos takedown didnt win him that round lol he woulda won that anyways

listen all im saying is wrestling is as much a part of mma as any discipline. as a former (mediocre at best) wrestler i can appreciate the time and work it takes to develope the skill. that is guidas bread and butter whats he supposed to do when hes loosing the stand up to diego or on the wrong end of the reach advantage with diaz. you are supposed to use your tools to win the fight. bottom line. i love standup as much as the next guy, i like all aspects of mma. but i dont rag on a guy for using his craft.

i guess what im trying to get at is that takedowns on their own shouldnt mean a single thing at all and shouldnt be gving points to alone. if a wrestler takes a jits guy down and gets in guard position, then whos really at a worse spot. thats where a jits guy wants to be as much as the wrestler. take downs mean nothing unless you do some gnp or sub attempts. i appreciate wrestling and wish they had it my school when i was there. but a take down is like a jab, just a setup punch and means nothing on its own really.

clay guida is the man, all you haters are ridiculous if you can’t respect him after last nite, the guy is like the terminator and he always comes in great shape and ready to fight, so what if he had one boring fight against diaz? i saw stevenson do the exact same thing to diaz last nite and i dont see anyone hating on stevenson

this just happens to be a guida thread. you cant tell me at any time in the fight diego was hurt or in any way close to getting finished. and that earns a split decision? diego had him rocked with an uppercut, almost knocked out with the kick, close with a triangle choke and multiple kimura attempts, one was real close as well. even from the bottom those elbows could have been dangerous. 2 take downs and a good chin mean nothing in my eyes. i hate to agree with john but the way fights are scored need to be re-evaluated. a split decision? really?

“i just got my ass handed to me but im still the best lightweight in the world”- in the words of a douche bag

Funny that everyone is upset at the guy who doesn’t like ground game as much, yet they say that Guida is a mixed martial artist! lol.

Guida does hardly any mix.

Guida: Take down, hold down and elbow.

Mixed martial arts: Submissions/striking punches/striking kicks/ground and pound/passing the guard/etc.

Guida does only 1 aspect of MMA, ground and pound inside the guard. So I am a pure fan who enjoys all MMA but I don’t see much from Guida!!!

yeah that’s funny, the only reason i said it was because he was telling Crowls to stick to boxing, and i said stick to jiu-jitsu and that dude gets pissed off :D Lmao!
ppl wanna say that Demian Maia’s not onedimensional but at the same time call Drew McFedries just that..
 
BTW, I love a good ground fight but Guida does not give me that when he performs…
Diego on the other hand did and always does, loved when he hit him with those elbows from the bottom, and his sub attempts to try to finish were nice too, all Guida does is try to stay on top and preferably not do anything and win on position!

nobody is saying guida is the protypical mma fighter. he has no standup. i just get tired of the dry humping jokes. if a wrestler can take a mma fighter down and hold him down maybe he is one dimensional. but more importantly he is exposing an even bigger hole in the other guys game.

Guida should fight Maynard next. Find out who’s the better blanket. That way we keep at least one of them away from a title shot.

Clay goes and brings it, is he the best…..no……….do we all want to see him again….yes, he’d hump all u’ll ma’s, and what’s more……she’d like it!!!!!

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I personally had the fight as a draw. I gave Diego the 1st round 10-8 and then Guida winning the last 2 10-9. I can’t understand the hating on Guida. The guy brings it every fight he’s in. He may not have the greatest skills or the repetoire of some of the other top LWs but he has the best chin and the biggest heart in the division. If he could develop his ground game…he’d be a serious contender. I’m no Guida nuthugger but I think the criticism from the keyboard warriors on this site is pretty pathetic. He’s a solid fighter with some very respectable skills. He’s not great at finishing fights but to say he doesn’t try is retarded. Clay plays to his strengths…that’s what a smart fighter does. He’s not like Gurgel and ignores his greatest strength to try and be exciting. He may not have all the skills that comprise a typical mixed martial artist but he has his strengths and he utilizes them very effectively.

Diego looked good…I’ll say that. But he’s got little to no power…he’s all speed with his strikes. His striking has improved a lot since he came down from WW. Except for a few cuts from elbows…Joe and Clay came away from their fights looking like they did when they came into the fight. I don’t see Diego doing much against Kenny or BJ. I think Maynard would be a good fight for Diego next cause I don’t think he should get a shot yet.

your a clay nutt hugger if you think its a draw!

where are these skills that Guid a posseses? Cause I dont see much skill. I see a great chin, heart and cardio….NOthing skillfull about those attributes. Where are the skills?
Striking = weak
Takedowns = very skilled (I will give him that)
Ju jItsu = whitebelt-ish Cant pass guard to save his life.

Dont mean to bash the guy, because he has a ton of heart, but I have a hard time seeing actual SKILL in his performances.

what he displayed on the ground against Diego was pathetic if you ask me!

Diego beat Huggie senseless standing and from the bottom. Huggie held on. That’s what he does. Fortunately, the two judges with a little common sense did not reward him for trying to blanket his way to yet another decision and awarded the fight to the fighter who actually beat the shit of the other guy, which is what you’re supposed to do in a fight.

I’m not saying Diego didn’t deserve to win that fight…he definitely did the most damage and he took it to Clay no matter what position he was in. All the judges gave Guida the 2nd round from the looks of the scores and the 3rd round was pretty close and I thought it could have gone either way. Neither guy did a lot to seperate themselves in the final round but I can definitely see the judges giving it to Diego. I gave Diego the first round 10-8 cause he charged Clay like a wrecking ball and just went off on him.

I just don’t get why most people on this site bag on fighters that play to their strengths. Clay is a great wrestler and he uses that to win fights. Not every fighter has the skill set to be uber exciting all the time. Look at Gurgel…the guy apparently has some mad jitz yet ignored his advantage and decided to put on exciting fights instead of playing to his strengths and winning fights…he’s out of the UFC because of that. He should have won against many of his opponents but thought he’d try and be a fan favorite by banging with guys he shouldn’t have. Most people on this site ripped Gurgel for not fighting smart and trying to be exciting yet some of the same people bag on Guida for going for wins instead of trying to be more exciting.

People used to crap on Machida for the same reason…he fought to score more points and went for the win instead of the exciting finish and no one liked that…now they love him cause he finished a few fights. I’m not saying Guida is a great fighter but the guy has a huge heart and puts it all out there with everything he’s got and I think with the limited skills he has…he does pretty well with them. Not everyone has the same skills…some guys just don’t have the exciting skills that all the fans love to see…some of them have the skills it takes to put them in a position to win…albeit not in the most popular fashion. At the end of the day these guys need to bring home the bacon to feed their families so I try not to bag on the guys that go for the win.

sanchez in no way won the 2nd round, that fight was close

diego won the second in my mind…….clay didnt do shit for damage exsept for his blood going in diegos eyes

What I waited for in the 2nd was someone to call “Top of the head” on those elbows.

Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t hear the ref or the corner men.

Was there another rule change while I wasn’t looking?

u can hit to the top of the head just not at a 90 degree angle

yes Diego won the 2nd round, Clay was a bloody mess after those elbows… effective striking and damage buddy! Clay did none of that and no sub attempts or guard pass…

Diego won every minute of that fight! Even when Guida was on top….he did absolutely NOTHING with it! Diego landed more shots from his back then huggie did from top position. pATHETIC!!!

People need to stop saying that Guida has a ground game! HIs ground game is pathetic! He has a takedown game, but not a ground game! He does NOTHING on the ground. All he does is sit in his opponents guard like TIto…difference is that atleast, Tito postures up and tries to drop some bombs on his opponents face….Huggie does NOTHING with top position. No guard pass, No posturing up to do damage, no submission attempts. All he does is put his head on his opponents chest, where neuither fighter can do any damage, and does an even more pathetic version of Swicking out!

YOU want to see a good ground game? GO watch Diaz vs. Joe daddy! There were about 5 punches thrown total in that fight but it was a very technical and exciting all out ground war! Now thats a ground fight. Guard passes, submission attempts galore, sweeps…………Thats a ground fight…what clay does is just PORN!

Getting a takedown doesn’t nullify that fact Clay got his skull cracked open for doing it. Doesn’t mean anything that he was no inactive and received so much punishment while in “dominant” position?

Totally wrong. The fact remains that when Guida wanted the fight to go to the ground, it went there more often then not. That is called Octagon Control, which is a point in MMA judging. I saw the fight 2 rounds to 1 for Sanchez, but could understand why a judge saw it for Clay. In the 3rd round, Clay’s stand-up looked pretty good. I now think that Sanchez has a good chance against Bitch J Penn. Tito never cared to pass guard either. Clay’s G n P would have been more effective against a smaller opponent. Roger Huerta got out of the game at the right time. There is 5 elite fighters that imo are well ahead of the light weight pack.

Clay’s Ground and pound? WHAT ground and pound. There was hardly any.

On a few occasions Diego had an arm or had control of Guida from the bottom. But just because Guida was on top a lot of judges would still see that as being in control. That’s nonsense.

But you talk of Octagon control like it should be the number one criterion. Depending on how effectively a fighter is enforcing it, when enforced like Guida did, i.e. lying on top, doing less than the guy is from the bottom, should be a minor point allocation compared to other criteria, like damage etc.

“but could understand why a judge saw it for Clay”

Good thing you’re not judging. It only would have taken ONE other judge to see it like you COULD have, like the lady judge DID which would have robbed Diego of a deserved victory. Just ONE other judge with your point of view.

The sad thing is that, as you just pointed out, there was a strong possibility that Diego might have lost. That’s scary.

And I wasn’t overly rooting for one or the other. I’m not a Guida hater.

First, excellent use of the singular criterion JF. And we had essentially the same discussion after the Davis-Hardy fight. Does a few minutes of useless top position negate an equal (or in Diego’s case, greater) amount of straight up ass kicking? I think no. In a fight, damage and ass kicking has to trump “position.”

Agreed. Good points.

And the last round it seemed Diego was being much more cautious with his striking in case of the inevitable takedown attempt. I was actually getting really nervous because if Guida had of gotten an early takedown and just lain on top, based on the warped and inconsistent judges’ decisions in the past, he could have stolen it.

Phew! Boy was I relieved.

u dont give enough credit 2 bj penn….lol already sayin its gunna be florian vs diego for the title…..i bet florian get finished for the first time since diego did it

I think Diego is gonna take it from Kenny but it would have been alot easier if he had fought BJ…

Diego didn’t look that great on the ground against Guida. I think that will spell major trouble for him against Florian.

florian wont get past bj .

agreed, penn’s gonna hold the 155 strap for a while. i don’t see kenny taking it at 101 and i don’t see sanchez or guida ever getting past kenny. i think that after he loses to bj, florian will seem like the rich franklin of 155… stuck at the #2 spot with nowhere to go.

i dont know man diego could definetly take out florian and i would take diego over kenny just for the fact that diego stomped kenny the first time…i know its a different time and a different weight class but diego is a gamer and will be a world champ one day

ei, where the fuck did my comment go?! Damn these proxy servers!!

Ok, I’m gonna type it again. you guys are foolish at looking past Penn…

Yeah, well superstar “Deigo” is clearly a better fighter than Guida. Don’t let your love for Guida and his lay and pray “I hope I squeeze out a win” mentality cloud your judgment.

It’s not so much a love of Lay and Pray as a respect for a fighter with heart and the ability to bring it for 3 rounds…. And a strong dislike for Deigo.

Got to agree, he needs to change camps, I wonder if they let American’s in Chutebox

No, he didn’t almost beat Diego. You may want to watch that fight again. Just because you lay on someone for a round doesn’t mean you should win the fight. I guess you missed the many elbows that he ate while on top.

wait wait wait, he almost beat Diego? hell naw!
It wasn’t even close, had there been an actual fight scoring it would have been 30-4 or something to Diego he messed him up in every round and he also won each round cause he did more damage and effective striking from the bottom in round 2…

only thing Guida was doing well in was the wrestling match…

If Clay were to keep Diego on his back for more time (2 rounds…like he has done before), he would have won. Not in dynamic fashion, but still a win.

It was a split decision…Therefore, close.

If Diego would have finished him it wouldn’t have made 3 rounds… your theory does not work…
it was a split dec cause a stoned (girl) judge somehow scored the fight to Guida, that doesn’t make the fight close

Where has Cut Swanson gone?

he is unless he was just cut within the last couple weeks

It was posted on this website.

http://mmamania.com/2009/06/09/cub-swanson-cut-after-jose-aldo-fight-at-wec-41-pic/

I tried posting the link but I guess it got marked as spam. It was posted on this website. Just google Cub Swanson cut from WEC.

Cut as in he got a MAJOR CUT from the knee from Aldo. I really hope that was a joke.

No comment. Oh wait, I just did. Whoops!

I was impressed with his ground game actually. Guida does have good control and Diego prevented him from doing anything; he hardly took any damage and remained active, made submission attempts and got back to his feet.

Go back and read John’s post at the top. Nobody subs Huggie because he lays on their chest and clasps his hands together in (what else) a big hug, making it impossible to catch hold of anything. He does not look to inflict damage, just avoid getting submitted or swept. And should a Diego-KillFlo rematch commence, Diego’s weak bottom game won’t be exposed because Florian isn’t near the wrestler that Diego is and won’t be able to get him down.

Demian Maia is respectful about all of his opponents and has gone on record as saying that he wants to beat his opponents without hurting them and embodies a true martial artist. He is the best BJJ fighter in the UFC and I would go as far as to say in MMA, he has submitted all of his opponents in the UFC and has had some of the most exciting ground based fights in MMA history.

Clay Guida is an arrogant disgusting boring loser who complains about every loss, bashes fighters not in his weight class and always fights to win a decision not to finish his opponent. All he does is talk rubbish when his only skills are wrestling and cardio, as well as a good chin, that makes him a decent fighter at best not championship material.

The fact that you compared these two is an insult to the greatness that is Demian Maia. It’s like comparing Fedor to Houston Alexander, a completely offensive and pointless comparison in every possible way.

what makes u think bj’s chin couldnt take it………just because clay took it doesnt at all mean bj couldnt…..bj’s never been ko’d so i really dont see your point…..and bj has somthing called head movement, clay just has hair movement

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