Lyoto Machida vs Mauricio Rua confirmed for UFC 104 on October 24

you guys are being naive… shogun has a couple sub par performances and you think hes garbage, but trust me, the man is a killer and has more than enough tools to beat machida.. dont write off shogun just yet

I agree. This guy has amazing potential and we all know that in life there are ups and downs. Everyone has had times they were not themselves.

Shogun has it in him. I think Lyoto still has the edge but Shogun is no joke.

i agree with brendan~

I don’t think Shogun is garbage, in fact I think he definitely WAS one of the best 205’ers out there. I simply haven’t seen evidence as of yet that he is back to his Pride form… and even he has SURPASSED his old form I think Machida is simply too good and will severely outclass him.

I think Machida and Anderson Silva are the next level of striking in MMA. I haven’t seen anyone do anything to bother either of them standing up, and a striker would have to be pretty special to make me bet on him against those two.

If anybody is going to beat Machida it will probably be (I hate to say it) a damn good wrestler. Someone who is very strong and can pin Machida on his back and rain down GnP. Lyoto is very elusive and strong on the ground as well though, so even this strategy would be very hard to implement effectively.

brendan – I could not agree more. Everyone on here who is saying Shogun has no chance is clearly a UFC purest and not a true MMA fan. For all you fan clubers out there here is a little observation … Did you notice Shogun’s fight stance? It is a combination of Muay Thai (old school – Vale Tudo) and KARATE …. Shogun, has the best chance of beating Machida in the LHW division. He has trained with Machida, Anderson and all off the other Brazilian guns. For one, he will not be intimidated and two, he has all the tools to beat him. Standup is sick, his BJJ is miles about Machida, and I would say his grappling will be sufficient.

Shogun – 3rd Round TKO or Submission.

Shogun has a chance everybody has a chance,you are correct about his stance ,but he throws alot of looping punches,and he is already very hittable ,unlike Machida ,where it seems nobody can get a flush shot on him.Machida positioning and stance is makes it very hard to reach him it is almost like you have to have an extra foot of reach to get to him.I am not a Shogun hater,I actually am a fan of his ,but I am realist too.I would love to see Shogun recapture his days of Pride ,but even if he did ,I would still pick Machida in this fight

i think machida will win but if shogun where to win this it would be by sub…. thats about the only way to beat machida

ortiz made him look human when he locked that triangle/arm bar in

As I’ve said in a previous thread, Shogun right now is a joke of an opponent for Machida. Now don’t come runnnin’ and tellin’ me that he’s a killer and he used to do this and that back at Pride. I know all that. But this is the year 2009 folks. Welcome. The Shogun of old would never return to it’s old form. Trust me. Look at Vitor, he’s never the same since. It should be Rampage-Machida/Evans-Shogun.

Nailed it right on the head, Syd. Nice post.

I’m not quite ready to say definitively that Shogun won’t return to his old form… he is still very young and he looked pretty good against Chuck.

But you’re correct, precedent suggests that he won’t ever look as awesome as he did in’05… fighters rarely reclaim previous form after a prolonged slump and a few nasty injuries.

I think shogun will surprise a ton of you guys. even if he looses to Machida, he will look very good in the process. tHe day after the fight, win or lose, all you fickle bandwagon Fockers will be right back on Shogun’s nuts!

Damn right they will!

I hope he does john,I would rather see him get a few more wins before he fights Machida,not that he is not a proven fighter,but for the fact that he is really just starting to get back to what he was in Pride,he is still young,and no matter what taking loses do affect the psyche,and he is just now starting to get his confidence back.

Shogun has trained with Machida. Anderson Silva And the Nougeira Brothers Currently belong to the same camp.

Forrest or Anderson Silva

Forest is coming off a KO loss to the guy Machida just destroyed and Anderson won’t fight his pal Lyoto.

Love to see Anderson and Dana will do what Dana wants.

no kidding jeremyjack!~ rampage has denied 2 consecutive title shots.

i think he might have set a record in mma..

i dont think someone has ever denied 2 in a row..

dang rampage~ dang’

i think forrest is gonna get his ass handed to him by silva..and silva won’t fight lyoto..i liked forrest and all but mostly just because he loves to fight, and he said it himself that he was not taking being a champ seriously..and i don’t see that changing..though he said he was gonna man-up..i just don’t see him getting through the spider much less touching the dragon..though i admire his heart..it’s true his KO power is not there..

Rampage didnt turn down Evans!! Evans turned down Rampage! It is not 2 in a row for Rampage, dont get why people thought it was.

Ramapage was like “dang, I wanna fight soon, not in 6 months time” and Rashad was like “meh… i’m a bit of a pussy”

dood~ rampage was offered a title shot after he beat sardine.

and he denied it on account of rashad and sardine being training buds.

then he said he would fight the winner of machida/rashad.

and he denied the title fight cause rashad lost and he wants to fight rashad.

Rampage turned the fight down ,because he had fought some many fights so quickly,and his jaw was messed up.But you are also right,Rashad ducked Rampage the first time around.

yes the title shot turn downs went~

rashad ducked rampage [setting up jardine/rampage]

rampage ducked rashad [setting up machida/rashad]

rampage ducked machida [setting up tuf rampage/rashad]

so yeah~ rampage denied 2 in a row..

i hate to say it but its true~

Rampage didn’t want to fight two months apart and he had a minor jaw surgery as well, at least that’s my understanding. But Stinky is right, it was Rampage who turned down the shot aganst Rashad at 98. For some reason people have heard that it was Rashad who balked, but I’ve never read this anywhere.

And just for the record peeps, I am actually a pretty big Rampage fan. I’m being hard on him because I’m disappointed in his decision-making as of late, and I’ve lost some respect for him since he turned down the shot at Machida.

JJ,here what Dana said about Machida vs A.Silva…

During the UFC 98 press conference UFC president Dana White eluded to a possible bout between the two training partners if they continue to win.

quoted White when speaking about a possible bout between the two talented teammates.

"Trust me: This is the fight business," White said. "You know what you do in the fight business? You fight guys. You find out who’s the best. I don’t ever worry about guys saying they won’t fight. Everybody [who should fight] will wind up fighting in the end."
 
According to the report Machida and Silva’s manager Ed Soares did not rule out the fight, but did say it would cost the UFC about $100 Million to get them into the Octagon at opposite ends. But, we doubt Dana and the UFC would pay that much out ever for a main event.

We know that before UFC 96 friends and teammates Rashad Evans and Keith Jardine faced the same dilemma. Dana White made it 100% clear, friendship does not come before making the best fights for the fans.

So stop it peoples…It WILL happen!

We’ll see, Alpha. I long ago learned that taking what Dana says as the truth is an exercise in frustration. I don’t see Anderson or Machida being easy to push around once they’ve made up their mind on something… and I don’t think they want to fight each other.

And if Dana really feels that way then why have the three big WW contenders at AKA never fought each other, even though those fights seem necessary to establish a contender in that division?

I don’t know why JJ??
I was just point it out!Your right you know!
But who knows what is really going on in Dana’s head?
If he start to put fight with AKA guys against each others…well i’ll start to believe it more too that the 2 champs match up MIGHT happen!

thats what i was thinking ‘fitch, swick and koschick’~

but anyways~ machida and silva will never fight trust me..

even if dana hooked them up bigtime and they agreed to fight for the money.

u wouldnt get the fight u expect..

they would put on a show, thats it..they would coreagraph a fight..for money.

look at the favor andy did for his fellow brazilian thales.

andy doesnt like to fight brazilian fighters..let alone his friend[machida].

bottom line is that fight would never happen..

I agree with alpha, I’d fight my mom for the right coin!

Kev is it your B Day today or tommorow?

LOL kevin, I’d fight your mom for free.

Oh, and Happy B-day dude.

LOL kevin, I’d fight your mom for free.

Oh, and Happy B-day dude.

I think that what’s been lost in this debate today is that this is going to be an awesome fight regardless of the outcome or how deserving Shogun is of a shot.

WAR Machida! I’ve been a big fan since his first UFC fight against Hoger and was blown away by his unique style and crazy skills. I’m not going to pretend I was a fan of his before then, but I have now watched all his fights. I always thought he should be more aggressive, and since the Soko fight he has been and has become a killer.

Here is where I’m at. Almost regardless of the opponent, I can’t wait to see Machida fight again. His unique style and mastery of it bring a “wow” factor we don’t see very often. For different reasons, I’m looking forward to seeing Shogun fight. Skeptical as I am about his readiness to be at peak form, I am hopeful it will happen. The answer the that question alone will make it very interesting to watch Shogun. My gut feeling is that Shogun will fight well and that it won’t be a short fight, but ultimately Machida will prevail.

scumbags like you wont accept the fact that griffin sucks, He was never a good finisher, He cant knock people out, his pounches are like girls.

lol, bro I’ve been watching shogun and been a fan for years, that doesn’t mean he deserves a shot! What, because he was dominant in pride 5 or 6 years ago means he deserves a shot now? Coleman was beating him and he KO’d Chuck (everyone is now a days!
I’m in no way shape or form a forrest fan either!!!

Il Nino,
is this like joke, or are you being serious? You know, you don’t have to be a Griffin fan, but to repeatedly say that the one guy that sucks, beat the one guy you say he is not better than…not following you.
Even if you are just a die hard Shogun fan, it makes more sense to admit that shogun lost to a great fighter.
Really, does this even need any further explanation?

Il Nino is right… finishing someone is the only attribute that makes you a good fighter! (sarcasm)

kevin~

so since rampage[the true #1 contender] denied the fight,

who in the lhw division could possibly be next in line??

the facts are~ that there is no one else..

it works out great for the fans too..[since page is ducking].

i give shogun the best chance to beat machida out of all the ufc lhw’s..

would u rather machida wait to fight rampage[providing he wins]??

i sure as heck dont want the title held up..

shogun is the best possibility~

forget another tune up fight!! if gun cant beat machida now?

he wont be able 6 to 8 months from now..

stink, I’m not denying that! Just because he gets a shot by default, doesn’t mean he earned it! 104 is a long way off, see how forrest/silva look??

Stink, with Rampage out of the picture, you’re right, Shogun is probably the best candidate.

It’s just too bad that Rampage isn’t fighting him next, giving Shogun a chance to beat a top-10 LHW and make a legit #1 contender out of himself.

Hopefully Cane, Jones and Vera get some big opponents and make a push for consideration in the next year.

it is too bad~

im a huge rampage fan, and i feel let down by him..

either way~ i see machida most likely beating both..

but i still consider shogun a threat~ regardless..

there is alot of shogun hate around here~ and i dont get it..

i actually give shogun a better chance than rampage..

By default really, Shogun makes the most sense to face Machida. Title shots are not easy to get, and it’s fairly uncommon for a fighter to turn one down. I think most on this blog will agree that Shogun has not proven he has returned to the peak form of his PRIDE days. For this reason this is a very risky fight for Shogun to take. What will be the perception if he gets crushed by Machida? He’d be buried low of the list of contenders. For this reason I expect Shogun to be highly motivated and competitive…….but still ultimately on the losing end. Neither Machida or Shogun took damage from their last fights, and this fight could have happened sooner. Pure speculation, but I suspect Shogun negotiated for some extra prep time.

anderson and machida are best friends and training partners, they will never fight each other, anyway it wouldnt be a competitive fight. anderson has stated in the past that machida does to him what he does to evrybody else, makes him look silly and frustrated, and even he cant touch him. he said long ago the lhw belt belongs to machida, and honestly i dont see anyone for at least the next 3 yrs winning a single round much less a fight against him. he is that good, when he is that much better than anderson silva, their is no hope for enyone else. boxing, muay thai are useless against his karate, so it will take a new generation of fighter to challenge him, not one dimensional dinosaurs like rampage.

lol thanks jj

“He do deserve the title shot, Belive it or not, Shogun is a good fighter when he comes in shape.”
never-mind the grammatical errors, thats a dumb argument.
Jesse Holland COULD BE a porn star if not for his little dick.
you could make sense if not for your dumb ass comments!

don’t respond to this person. They stated they same thing up above. You are correct in that it is a blatantly idiotic arguement.

Who do you think earns the title shot than ? Let me hear ?

Ther only reason he got the shot is by default ,not because he earned it

Would be interested to hear your viewpoint on this fight Synyster seeing as how we are both huge fans of Mousasi. Do u also believe (like the rest of the ignorant fools) that Machida will steam-roll Shogun?

LOL.

How to be an internet douchebag tip #241: use the words “Joe Rogan” somewhere in your argument.

How to be an internet douchebag tip #438: Continue posting in a thread after previously finishing post with the words "end thread".

At least he picked the guy who is going to win,unlike you ,who is trying to act like you know something about the sport ,trying to play unbiased ,while you clearly swing from Shogun’s sack

actually jaysho~

jeremeyjack is definitely a ‘knowledgeable’ mmanerd..

that was just his opinion..opinions are allowed..

as far as mma knowledge? the man seems to know..

and i wouldnt pick a keyboard fight with him if i was u.

he also knows how to put someone down with charisma..

he can be a turd sometimes~ but dont we all piss eachother off around here??

You are still holding onto your dream of Shogun’s pride days and even then Machida would have destroyed him.Your boy lost to Forrest ,got submitted by Forrest,yet you are licking away,I think you have a couple of pubes in your teeth

who me?

no, jay sho.I know you are always on here Stinky,I know you are are a very dedicated MMA fan,by the way why did you change your screen name

i got a new laptop and had to retype my username..

just felt like change..

i was going to use my other screenname ricky dooby, but decided on the stink~man..

~

jaysho sounds like he is just trying to stir up a rise, so i understand ur post,

but~ do u really give shogun no credit??

while i do think machida will most likely win, i do give shogun a chance, and believe he is a top lhw..

you?

oh and im still lmsao at what jeremyjack pointed out~

"" how to be an internet douchebag tip #438: Continue posting in a thread after previously finishing post with the words "end thread". ""

that was hilarious~

I am actually a fan of his ,I think Shogun has a chance,but his looping punches will get him KO.I would love to see Shogun recapture his abilities he showed in Pride.I just cannot see how someone is finally going to actually land a clean shot on him ,the way he stands with his head cocked back,it is like you have to be Mr Fantastic to reach his face.Plus we also do not know how good Machida’s chin is ,it could be great,which means you are going to have to hit him a bunch of times,it looks like he may have a great chin ,because it looked like Rashad hit him with two punches back to back ,and it did not even faze Machida.Me,personally,will probably never pick someone to beat Machida until someone actually does it.Right now ,he just looks like he is playing with fighters ,like Anderson looked when he first came to the UFC

I responded ,hopefully ,it will be up in a few ,it was pretty long ,but had nothing in it ,to make it get moderated,but I am a fan of Shogun

I guess I am going to have to write it again,I do think Shogun is great LHW,I just worry about his looping punches ,and he is not nearly as elusive as Machida.If he can somehow close the gap without eating a bunch of punches which is alot harder than it sounds,than he has a shot,but I personally do not see him closing the gap.As a betting man ,I will probably never bet against Machida ,until he loses once,right now he looks like he is playing with children,like Anderson looked until as of late

i read ur post at above as well~

well put..

we shall see what the future will hold

agreed. Look at gsp style strike until the takedown opportunity presents itself then gnpage. Its the most efficient way to win a mma fight! You are out of danger of getting koed when you take your opponent down and you dont have to worry about getting taken down. Once there you worry about getting a dominant position or setting up a sub and not getting subbed while you are at it. Even machida took tito down on their fight.

yeah we know what ur saying~

just about as much as we know what kimbos saying~

Hey guys clik on my name to laugh of Kimbo’s UFC picture!

Nice one :D

Beautiful coloring on the tat.

Geez dude, doesn’t take much to make u laugh does it? Might go a long way to explaining why you’re still single.

If you really want to know OK.
I’m single right now b/c i just got out of a 9 years relationship…So you,can be sure that i,will stay that way for at least 2 years.Plus i,can enjoy be with women’s that you’ll never get…unless you,payed for it!
AS for my sense of humour…well sorry buddy but if you follow what JJ’s do with his dark and ominous jokes you would laugh too!

Male 360 STFU will ya ? First of all im not defending anybody, but you dont know this guy, He might have been with more womens than you ever will be…

with

Ill Nino
Honestly i don’t know why your want to be disrespectful that way…But let me give you a hint…My entourage are peoples that produce porn.Not,only produce it but build a shit loads of porn sites plus build a few magazines.We have access to the biggest escort agency in Canada.I,can easily go to the studio and see or be with a lots of girls for free.Just,like the Friday’s when,they shoot Lesbo101 you always got a gang bang of 2 to 15 girls in the studio.
Every weeks you got 30 to 50 new girls who shows up for auditions for Flashybabes.This is,only 2 little examples but i hope that you’ll get the point!

I also hope this answer your statement for coming at the intervention of your boyfriend.I have no doubt that have been with more women’s then you two combine.

But to be honest i don’t mind at all if you or your boyfriend did beat me on that subject.I didn’t said that i have been with more women’s,than Jayshogun…i said that i,can be with women’s that he,will never get.Big difference.Obviously you can’t read!

If i,would know you i,would give you a free pass for a tons of sites plus i,would invite you to the studio to see it with your own eyes but you seems,like a real immature douche,so too bad for you little man.

BTW i can’t get you gay porn if you want…assuming that your old enough to watching it,which i doubt!

Plus i’m sorry to have said bad thing about your sherdog bud…I’m a member of the UG and with the rivalry that’s going on over the past years…well,thats why i never went on sherdog’s and why i,consider their members….!

I,will STFU right now b/c i do feel bad to have said those things and let you in my personal life!

Only fags go to Sherdog’s

Why would I bet a little welcher like you, jay? You really have nothing to lose, since your name isn’t worth shit on these boards anyway.

It’s obvious from your infantile postings that you would never honor your bet and would simply change your screen-name and begin anew (which really wouldn’t be a bad idea at this point either, bud).

I’ll stick to making bets and having debates with guys that have earned their stripes as good MMA-nerd (like that, stinky?) posters. Maybe one day you will fall into that category if you re-enroll in high school and stop sniffing glue.

Comment by Alpha Male 360
2009-06-06 19:26:03
Only fags go to Sherdog’s

Yeah and your one of them…