“THe best trainer on earth”, lol Greg Jackson couldnt even prepare shad enough to land a single punch! Just get clipped? try: Just getting outclassed!

My man NIck J, made a great post last week basically saying greg Jackson is a “front runner type coach”…..Lets see Jackson’s fighter overcome adversity and gain a win. Only greg Jackson fighter that has really overcome adversity in a fight has been Jardine.

Im so sick of the mma world sucking Jackson’s cock. Great trainer, but not any better then the other top coaches. I would take ATT over Jackson’s camp any day!

I need to see a Rashad beat a fighter like Machida, Shogun or Rampage before I start calling him the elite of the division. He was basically getting dominated by both Chuck and Forrest until landing the big blow. and I dont want to hear that lame ass excuse about his strategy being to give a way the 1st 2 rounds. CRAPPY EXCUSE! He couldnt even dominate Tito.

shad is easily a top 10 fighter, with mEGA KO Power, and a crap load of skills….Im not questioning that. I just dont really know how good he is. I have to see him matched up against Shogun, or Rampage before I start calling him a top 3 fighter. BUt there is no shame in being a top 5 fighter. I just dont think he is DOMINANT! IMO, he would even struggle against guys like Franklin, Henderson or Vera! He might beat those guys, but he it wont be easy for Shad. He would struggle with all three of those guys.

I would love to see Rashad vs. Jardine, but that will NEVER happen. IMO, Shad would even struggle with Jardine.

IMO, the next fight booked has to be Rashad vs:
Shogun
Vera
or Banha Cane!

DReam announced 3 fights for DREAM 10:

Shinya Aoki vs. Vitor “Shaolin” Ribeiro: this is going to be a v ery entertaining fight between 2 fantastic grapplers!!!! Very much looking forward to this match up

Melvin Manhoef vs. Paulo Filho: WOW!!! Filho is in trouble. I think Melvin should light him up before Filho gets the fight to the ground. Grappler vs. Striker. Whoever takes this fight into “His world” wins this fight. simple as that!

Katsunori Kikuno vs. Andre “Dida” Amade (unconfirmed): Great fight. Always look forward to watching “DIDA” fight!

Greg Jackson has some of the worse nuthuggers and also haters. He’s not the Yoda of MMA, but he’s VERY VERY GOOD. Two of his guys WON a UFC title under him. GSP beat Serra under Jackson, and Shad beat Forrest. How many camps have had one champion, let alone two? For comparison’s sake, with all the great fighters and coaches at ATT, do you know how many UFC or Pride champs they’ve ever had? Zero. Jackson’s camp is the new MFS. Another camp will probably emerge as the number one eventually (it could very well be ATT), but right now, Jackson’s is still the cream of the crop.

Good post John. While I believe Shogun has the potential to be top 3, right now he isn’t. I think you’re right on the matchups with the exception of vera. Vera doesn’t deserve a fight with the former champ. Give rashad cane or shogun.

Pat, Jackson’s camp is good, but look at team nogueira/black house. They’re the number one camp IMO. Champs: Machida, A. Sliva
Former Champs: Big Nog, Filho
Contenders: Lil’ Nog, Junior Dos Santos
Prospects: Jacare, Feijao
Hard to top that list with any other camp.

I am a Mayhem MOnkey for life…But right now, Mayhem is on my $hit list! He ruined a great fight by throwing that soccer kick. HOw the hell was it ruled accidental and No contest? How do you accidentally soccer kick a downed fighter in the head? THere have to be consequences for those type of actions. Im sure Jacre worked his ass off for this fight….its not his fault the fight was stopped, so he should be awarded the win!

Worst possible ending to a highly anticipated fight. I would have awarded Jacre the belt, and booked an immediate rematch!

In 2 fights, Mayhem hasnt shown a single thing to mke me shy away from picking Jacre to beat him. THey could fight 10 times, and I would pic Jacre EVERY SINGLE TIME!

Pat: I am a fan of Jackson, and acknowledge hism as one of the top trainers in the game, but he gets his cock slurped by fans a little too much for my liking.

Stop bringing up GSP when trying to justify Jackson. GSP was already the best welterweight on earth when he got to Jackson’s camp. Yes he has done great work with shad n the inconsistant jardine, but I dont think Jackson should be praised for GSP’s title run!

I will however say that Jackson comes up with some of the best gameplans in the sport!

Classic Rashad bashing….most people on this site have bashed Rashad at one time or another. I really don’t get it. The guy has done nothing but win…maybe not always in a dominant fashion but the guy finds a way to pull it out every time…except once. Out of 20 fights…he has one loss. How many fighters can say that? I get that he may run his mouth a little and showboat from time to time but I find that entertaining…cause he backs it up. He has improved dramatically from the one dimensional wrestling heavyweight on TUF 2 to a great striker and counter puncher with great footwork and power to boot. To say he is nothing more than a top 10 LHW is ridiculous. My only real regert in seeing Rashad lose was that he won’t get to destroy Page. I’m sure that getting that first loss will humble Rashad and help him come back stronger than ever. I’m sure there is a least a little pressure to stay undefeated and I hope that helps open up his game even more. I find it ridiculous how much people downplay his wins…he lost the first round to Chuck…he lost the first 2 rounds to Forrest…yada yada yada. He came back and won when he was down and out…how is that not overcoming adversity. The guy may give away rounds and that’s something I’d like to see him correct but it’s what won him both of those fights. He had enough confidence in himself that he would get his timing down and win the fight. You can overanalyze a lot of fighter’s wins and downplay them all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that that fighter found a way to win.

I give mad props to Machida…he’s an incredible fighter and after the performance he gave I just don’t see who could really touch the guy. It makes me really want to see Machida vs Anderson Silva although I know it’s not going to happen. Machida deserves that belt and he’s going to be dangerous for a long time.

I agree about Jackson’s strategy…it was foolish to go into that fight and let Machida set up and strike first and give away the first round. I said before the fight that it was important for Rashad to take at least the first round. Jackson needs to do more homework if that was the best he could come up with. I do think the Jackson camp has gotten a little too much of the limelight lately but they have some great fighters and most of them are winners. I think what’s attractive about the camp is the closeness of the fighters. Everyone helps everyone else train. I know with a camp like ATT you get a lot of different coaches with different experience and there is a large stable of fighters of varying talent but with that many different fighters with different schedules, I’m not sure you would always get to train with the best all the time. Either way both camps have impressive records and fighters.

The Rashad bandwagon rolls on…I’m not leaving just from one loss. He’ll be back.

GSP was already the champion and lost it when he got to Jackson’s camp then won it again while he was there I believe. I am glad the nutthuggin is over…

Buster-

Props to you for sticking by your guy. Rashad is still a force in the LHW division.

Good post Buster!But the Silva/Machida fight MIGHT happen,if Silva beat Forrest…Dana said it!I have a link for those who don’t believe it!

Hardly “just got clipped”… thats how Evans beat Liddell, he caught him. Thats how Evans beat Griffin, he caught him. Machida didnt’ just catch Evans, he DOMINATED him!!!

John: Please tell me you didn’t just ruin the Jacare Mathem result before I have got to watch it yet!!

YEP!HE DID!

there is nothing to ruin! Nothing to talk about! UNEVENTFUL bunch of crap that disappointed the FOCK out of me. I did you a favor!

HOld up Buster. I know your post better not have been aimed at me! I called him “easily a top 5 fighter”…what more do you want man? Just cause I dont think he can beat Rampage, Machida, or an in shape Shogun doesnt make me a hater. I think he is an amazing fighter that will continue to get better who I find myself really looking forward to seeing compete since around the time of the TIto fight…I just dont think he is GREAT just yet.

Not once, have I ever seen Rashad dominate a decent fighter. Sorry but when I think the best fighters at 205, I think of guys who have dominated other top fighters. Who the hell has shad ever dominated? SEan Salmon? Sorry Im not knocking Shad at all…but when we get into debates about the very best, fighters are so great, that Nitpicking is necessary to make arguments and analyze who the best of the best are. I see fighters who are established as BEING GREAT like machida who has dominated fighters like Rashad, Silva and Tito. Rampage has dominated an in prime LIddell, Henderson, Igor when he was a top 10 HW….Shogun has had many dominating performances. Where are Shads dominated performances? there are none. Prior to catching his opponents and knocking there blocks off, he is always squeeking through fights. NOt saying he is great, Im just keeping it real. He wAS LOSING to Chuck n Forrest before his craxy Ko power saved his life. He squeeked by Bisping and TIto. IMO, If Rashad is matched up against Fighters like: Vera, tHiago Silva, Rich Franklin, Henderson…I would probably pick him to win all those fights, but he wouldnt DOMINATE any of them. On the other hand, already ESTABLISHED “GREAT FIGHTERS” like Page and Machida would probably dominate most of those fights.

Like I said, this post is not a knock on Rashad, who like I said I think is a fantastic fighter and IMO is on the bottom half of the top 5….there is no shame in being a top 5 fighter. Shad is very fast, powerful, intelligent and is a solid wrestler. I just dont think he is ready to beat the elite like Rampage, Machida and an in shape shogun. NO shame in that!

I am however very happy that Rashad lost to Machida, because IMO Machida vs. Rampage is the Best LHW title fight that has ever taken place in the UFC. Both fighters clearly sit at the top of their division. To date the biggest UFC LHW title fights were Tito vs. Chuck and Tito vs. Randy. tHose were great fights but IMO they werent the top 2 LHW in the world at the time. Page and Machida are the very best in the world RIGHT NOW, and this is going to be an amazing fight that wont be dominated by whoever wins it. its going to be a hard fought battle.

yOU cxant say I am hating on Rashad, when I adamantly rank him as 1 of the top 5 light heavyweights currently walking this earth. I am just not as Gung ho about him as you are Buster…I think he still needs work, to get to that next level that only the elite like Rampage and Machida have reached!

btw Buster, you should be very happy that Rashad doesnt have to fight Rampage cause I know for a fact that is a fight Rashad wont win at this point in his career. 2 losses in a row would be bad for your golden boy!

On fire today john!Another good post!

john…it wasn’t just aimed at you cause there are a lot of Rashad haters on this site. I appreciate your passion for Rampage cause I have the same passion for Rashad and we both love MMA and debating MMA which is why we come to this awesome site. I just don’t see why when someone wins that people view it as a loss and downplay the victory. I get that Rashad lost the first round to Chuck and he gave it away as he said. I’m not a big fan of that strategy but it worked. He had a game plan and he executed it perfectly. He trained that overhand right for months before the fight. In my opinion he had a game plan and executed it to perfection. That is domination in my mind. He took no damage and KOed his opponent. The same can be said about his fight with Forrest…he had trouble getting his reach down and then once he did…he attacked and finished. People act like Rashad was getting destroyed and then came back and somehow pulled a win out of his butt. He didn’t dominate that fight but he went down two rounds and had the heart to come back and do what Page couldn’t…finish Forrest off. (Sorry I had to take that dig.) The Chuck/Evans fight and the Page/Silva fight were the same fight except Rashad waited Chuck out to frustrate him and then KOed him. I think both of those are dominating wins. I know Rashad hasn’t faced the level of competition that Page has but I’m not downplaying Page’s accomplishments. He lost to Griffin plain and simple, he finally beat a shell of his former self Wandy, and squeaked out a tough fought fight with Jardine. That’s Page’s resume lately and I’m not knocking it cause the level of competition in the UFC LHW division is no joke. There are no easy fights if you are fighting within the top 15.

I got a lot of respect for Page. He’s been in the game for a while and has been in there with some of the best in the business. He came on strong when he came over from Pride. I think he needs to diversify his arsenal a bit more and go back to using more wrestling. He’s turned into a boxer and although I think he has maybe the best boxing defence in the division…he needs to start using those legs of his to either move around more and create angles or try throwing more kicks…and checking them for that matter. He’s got great skills and has loads of talent but he seems like he’s become complacent as a boxer and power puncher.

I realy hope this loss opens up Rashad’s game a lot more. I think that the monkey of having an undefeated record is off his back and now he can concentrate on being more aggressive and mixing up his skills a bit more. I’d like to see him work his wrestling back into his game cause his GnP is very underrated. I hope he stops throwing away rounds cause it’s not doing him any favours and people are figuring that out. I do agree though that Rashad needs to go back to the drawing board and rethink the strategy he’s employed thus far. I’d like to see him work with Tri Star like GSP does for his striking.

I was looking forward to seeing Rashad on TUF with Page…would have been some fireworks there. You have your opinion but I think Rashad would frustrate Page and force him into making mistakes that I know Rashad would capitalize on and KTFO of Page. I hope we get to see that fight some day.

good post! I never knock a man for his oppinion if it has logic behind it. Hopefully before 2011, we will get to see this match up and it would clarify everything for us. We can agree that both Shad n Page have some holes in their game that they need to tightern up but both are top 5 fighters. Problem for both of our boys is going to be training to deal with Machida who is on fIRE right now!

I really hope to see Rashad vs. Shogun as the next fight booked.

I think its going to be important for Shad to grow that he stops giving away rounds and starts putting together some Dominant performances, but I do admire his come from behind ability cause it shows heart and mental toughness. I think Losing a fight will do wonders for Rashad. But I would like to see him Matched up with shogun next. If not, then someone like Banha, Franklin, or Vera.

Rashad has a lot of heart. This fight proved it and when I saw him fighting to get back up I was cheering for him to make it another round. I now have a lot more respect for Rashad. One thing that always gets me about these know nothing interviewers is they tend to make the person they are interviewing mad. The ask some of the dumbest questions and then re word them and try to ask them again. One thing this guy didn’t ask is how long might Rashad be out and who are you looking at as his next opponent? Did Rashad follow his game plan did he make any mistakes?

Hey John…just to make a point, if i recall right, Sean Salmon was outwrestling Rashad on the ground until he got “caught” by the headkick :P

So basically, Shad wasnt dominating that fight either lol

I definitely see the UFC booking Shogun vs Rashad but I hope they don’t cause I really want to see Shogun make a comeback and I don’t want to root against him. I’d have to take Rashad in that fight. Shogun hasn’t looked very quick lately and his win over Liddell was nice but we didn’t get to see if Rua’s cardio has improved that much but he looked alright from what we saw. Sadly…it’s a fight where Rashad would probably employ his counter striking and his typical strategy of waiting for his opponent to make the first move. They both have fight ending power in their hands and feet so it would be a great fight but I don’t want to see Shogun fall down the rankings. I’d like to see Rashad go up against a very slow Franklin if he gets by Wandy…it would be the TUF coach vs TUF winner.

For Pat —

I would think Miletich has had way more champs then jackson … Lets see .. Hughes , Pulver , and Sylvia were all champs.

I think he had Rich Franklin/Roger Huerta/Brock Lesnar for a bit also ..

Miletich is the best coach in mma … Hes one of the few coaches that has actually been a champ and fought mma .. I hear hes got some young studs that should be good up and comers.

Sure his guys are older and some have moved on , but hes always imho had the best fighters . Lawler , Horn , Rothwell etc ..

Its all good, JV.

I am just gloating, considering that I was one of the few fans defending him from the beginning.

Will you become a fan when he beats Rampage?

:)

I have always been a Machida supporter as well. It’s not so much watching his style that intrigues me when watching his fights, it’s more of watching how his opponents deal with it and how frustrated it makes them. I don’t think there’s any fighter out there like Machida who just takes the other fighter completely out of their comfort zone like he does.

I dont get you guys. “I was a fan since the beginning, and you cant be a fan now because you weren’t a fan from the start” Haha. Whatever. Like anyone is going to be like “What? Why can’t I be a fan? I’ll do anything guys! Just let me on the Machida ‘War Wagon’”

I dont like Machida at all, but I’m with JV in liking the way he finishes fights now. I dont think he will lose the title anytime soon either.

Synyster-

My post does not read like that so who are you referring to?

OJR: I been wit you defending Machida since the very beginning. I have no problem with fans now starting to become Machida fans….I do have a problem with guys that have Bashed the hell out of him, now hanging from his nuts and saying he is unstoppable. As a fan, if you are going to completly bash and rip a fighter….then dont swing on his nuts after he wins.

for example: if Forrest beats Rampage, Shogun, Machida, wanderlei, and all of my favorite fighters….I still wont start swinging from his nuts. I will acknowledge his skills and accomplishments, but I sure as hell wouldnt start Cock slurping him like many of you are NOW doing with Machida! People were ripping him prior to the Tito fight. Ripping him prior to the Silva fight….Ripping him prior to the Rashad fight. NOw he is EVERYONE’s favorite fighter? Sorry but I cant respect that kind of SWING!!!

Im a ride or die fan! I ride with you not only through the good times, but also the bad!

john-

Truth.

OJR, I am anything but a Machida fan, but I am a fan of ANYONE who beats Rampage… and Machida will destroy Rampage. I am giving him no shot to win that fight!

why the Rampage hate Caesar ??? the mans a comical genious!

I give Rampage a good shot , if he exchanges the slight bit with Rampage on his feet it will be lights out .. Rampage has floored everybody in the UFC hes fought atleast once in the fight , this one wont be any different ..

Once he connects on Machida its lights out , plus Rampage can take alot more punishment then anyone Machida has fought ever..

I cant stand him or his dumba$$ interviews. “ya feel me?” is something a man can hear only so many times. He is one dimensional and annoying… Machida will own him at UFC 104 in LA

Good post john.I have the exact same problem with all this Machida bussiness>through the highs and lows…WAR ARLOVSKI!!! WAR RAMPAGE AND WAR ALVES!!!!!!!!

Punch-

Yeah. And for the record, I don’t care if Machida has a bunch of bandwagon fans now.

Its just the nature of the beast.

I am just enjoying the fact that all of the haters are noticeably absent.

I am loving it.

I’m still here!

OJRI’m sure that i was a Machida’s fan before you were one!
I just have a hard time with the sudden popularity.Machida was,like my secret weapon that nobody was paying attention of.You should have see me the day that i learn that he was coming in the UFC.
It’s all good with me that he’s got the belt.But i’m refusing to jump back in the dragon bandwagon.Especialy now that it’s at full capacity!

bandwagon fans isn’t accurate…he wasn’t exciting and din’t finish fights but now he does…I was bored silly watching him fight Nak, Heath, Soko, etc but since his fight with Tito he’s adapted his karate to MMA hence a new fan following….I hate this "once you dislike a fighter, you ALWAYS have to dislike that fighter…people change

Alpha-

I was a fan since he fought Ace. Your take on the whole bandwagon thing is a bit odd…

Everybody loves a winner so its only natural that people are gripping his junk now.

McArthur-

Its the haters that rile me up. I hold no grudges towards “bandwagon” fans.

word brother… :cool:

Well good for you,that was my 1st fight too.I don’t really take it odd.If you remember NOBODY was talking about him when he face Hoger,Heat(for me it was,one of is best performance)Kas,NOBODY was paying attention to him.Even DANA was complaining of his fighting style!
Like i said before it’s OK with me that his fan base upgrade.Now he don’t need my support and,they are plenty others non champion fighters to like!
Call it the way that you want it i don’t really care!

Savage-

Hahaha. I am just glad Machida won! Rashad is a good fighter, IMO. I won’t rip him just becuz he got KTFO. It happens to all the good fighters sooner or later.

Im not a big fan of either one, but I absolutely respect both of them. I hope the loss humbles Rashad cause he’s a total dick. I don’t think there’s one person that wasn’t happy to see that. I think everyone needs a loss like that anyways.

oops, A. Silva *

I know but what you expect me to do?Since that i jump off the wagon!For sure i will root for Page and every one of Machida’s opponents!Like i said before i’m gonna have to live,like everyone who don’t,like GSP and Fedor and wish them to lose every times but it doesn’t happen!

Alpha-

Join us on the dark side!!!

LOL.

;)

LOL!What you don’t know is that i am the darth lord!

Ok guys i’m gonna post it here so nobody will pay attention to it
Odamn here some more romo

Matt Hughes says “Romoshop please?”

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum.posts&thread=1464532&forum=1&page=1&pc=43

And i don’t know if yall got a chance to see those of Rashad,but if not,let me know it and i’ll post it again!

Alpha-

LMFAO!!!

Good link.

Did you see those of Rashad?

No. Post them!!!

There it is…!

Rashad’s Fall

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=1463582&page=1

LOL Alpha, as always, good stuff. :)

Welcome back O damn. Ive been looking for you. After Page… we (you) will know right? ;)

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