Bad News!!!!!! I hear Rumble Johnson jacked up his knee and is going to have to pull out of his fight against Mat Brown!

Also, does anyone know if the cro cop fight will be on the main card?

I’m sure that john know that!

It better be..

RoB…I agree but I was referring to Toronto, New York and other places where its still illegal

Either Swick and “Killa B” or Uno and Fisher better step aside. Tho I’d prefer to see the Fisher/Uno fight than the Swick/Saunders fight.

I’m going to be in the minority on this, but I can see the reasoning behind this and quite frankly, I see nothing wrong with this! Under 18 can’t go to an R rated movie. I wouldn’t necessarily consider mma an R-rated movie, but do get the likeness! It’s violence…plain and simple it’s 4 hours of straight violence. My son knows wrestling is fake, yet he constantly tries to do moves on me, so I have to limit his exposure, so not allowing young “adults” into mma events may actually lead to better regulations in states that do not allow mma as of now!

kevin-

I agree.

There’s an argument for stopping under 12’s or under 15’s from watching UFC. Certainly not under 18’s.

attakdog-

I concede that point but since the number is arbitrary anyway…

I guess I can see the rationale and something is better than nothing. So what the kiddies have to stay home.

wow, I assumed I’d be bashed. I just feel my job as a parent is to teach my child things that I wished I had known when I was young! Frivolous violence is uncalled for and even older teens could see an mma event as just violence, not as I see it as an art!

haha…usually thats a safe assumption ;)

no why would you be bashed.. U-16 would probably be a better limit but whatever, UFC has a tv deal in Deutschland if im correct so that means that the kids can all see it for free on TV anyway..

I just know the guys on this site love to jump on me when I have an unpopular view, I assumed this would be unpopular. I have no problem wit 16, 15 or whatever. I have no problem with my son (7) watching the UFC with me. Actually would prefer it over WWE simply because of the sex in the WWE. It’s all about parenting, bottom line, but some parents need guidelines simply because they aren’t good parents!

Correct they do, I saw it on tv last month when I was in Berlin.

As a father of four (10 yrs old and younger), I agree with Kevin. I’ve occasionally let my 10 year old daughter watch (when she’s interested) but not when they’re pounding each other out in a standup slugfest. A lot of U18’s don’t have the maturity to see MMA as nothing more than a street fight.

europe also has a differnet view on things. violence over there is taboo like sex is over here and vice versa. at least when exposing to underagers.

Egads: Where you at? If you’re in the US, then I guess sex ain’t taboo there unlike what you’re saying…

what im trying to say is in north america showing a tit in a movie gets at leat a pg 13 rating but you can shoot the shit outta people o tv and its prime time tv. in europe violence is viewed as bad but there are plenty of nude beaches etc. not speaking from my personal views, although i prefer making love to war and would skip my boxing class for a good piece of tail.

Wandy looks old and slow

I disagree, aggression is Franklin’s kryptonite! Wand will come at him and put a beat down on him!

Yeah, that’s what I see happening too, kev. Everyone keeps saying Rich is the more “technical” stiker…. rubbish. That’s a word people who don’t know a heck of a lot about striking like to throw around.

Rich is the more fundamentally sound striker, as it pertains to defence… but Wanderlei is a more talented striker than Rich, and Rich has never seen the likes of Wanderlei’s aggression.

IMO, this is a terrible match up for Franklin. Some of you guys just have no idea how technical wanderlei can be. Yes he is known as a slugger, but I have seen him technical out strike Cro Cop, and Hunt…..Lets see Rich do that! Not a chance! Rich would have crapped his pants had he had to stare at cro Cop in his prime across the ring!

I am so sick of all the idiots telling me that Wandy’s chin is SHOT! Thats just silly talk! Only times Wandy’s chin didnt hold up was against Henderson’s BOMBS, Rampage’s perfectly placed hook, that would have KO’ed an ELEPHANT, and cro cop’s left high kick, which is one of the most devestating strikes in the history of mma, and that kick didnt even land on wandy’s chin, he took it on the dome…what Human would have not been Ko’ed by that? Maybe not Fedor, but we agreed that he is more GOD then Human!

NNR is absolutely right. Rich’s technical striking wont mean anything once he is back peddling! Rich’s power is also over rated. Imo Rich is crazy if he strikes with wanderlei. Rich can win this fight by taking wanderlei down n ground n pounding wandy’s over rated K-mart black belt…problem is that Franklin, like wandy is a crowd pleaser. This is a main event and Rich knows that no 1 wants to see Wanderlei in a ground fight, so im pretty sure Rich will stand with wandy the entire time. BIG MISTAKE! Rich just doesnt have the chin to be able to deal with him. Rich is used to being hit by middleweights and he is used to dealing with middleweight level chins. Wanderlei, has been undersized his entire career. Wanderlei has destroyed heavyweights with impressive chins. For example, anyone see what he did to fujita with his punches? Lets see Franklin Ko Fujita and his fire plug sized dome! Lets see Rich franklin’s chin hold up against the heavy hitting Mark Hunt. Who has Rioch ever ko’ed standing? Quarry? Big deal! Do I really have to run off the list of great fighters that Wanderlei has KNocked Silly?

Wanderlei is going to win this fight. Rich can thank Anderson for pissing wanderlei off even more, and probably tripling wandy’s intensity n aggression come fight night!

Only way Rich can win this fight is by taking wanderlei down. Which isnt going to happen. THe great part about this match up is that both fighters are crowd pleasers. They know that the fans want to see them strike, and they will deliver. Big Props to Rich. He could easily win this fight by taking it to the ground, but he will give the fans what they want, stand with Wanderlei, and probably get KO’ed into next week for it! For that I have to respect and applaud Rich.

Hope his plastic surgeon can make the trip to Germany!

fyi: Rich is going to break mentally as soon as wanderlei locks him into a tai clinch! If he thought Anderson had an aggressive Tai clinch, wait till he feels wanderlei’s!!!!!!

Good post john.

And…You JJ,made great posts down the thread!I didn’t want to bash at Mac earlier today b/c i was thinking you know why bother his comments,will probably pass unseen.
But as usual Attackdog’s go on the offensive and…here we are…debate on something that,most peoples doesn’t know about…History!
A lots,could have been said to validate your post but you sum’s it up nicely!Just,like a lots,can be said about the Bush era!

Sorry Alpha but i’m not passing it by when somebody tries to rewrite history, so i went “on the offensive”, hence my name!

we are in agreement with you Einstein!!!!

It dont sound like it. Comparing the fake violence of the WWF with the UFC is stupid, so is the language issue. The language used there is far from foul especialy when you compare it to the language used by the UFC’s president.

hense the age restriction…wrestlings demographic concentrates on the youth of today and promotes violence, sexual content, and foul laguage to a degree…REAL sport will also occationally exhibit similar activity but unintentially…REAL professional athletes are also punished for conduct outside the acceptible peramters whereas wrestlers are asked to read from a script

I don’t know what you’re trying to say! Are you saying under 18’s should be banned from watching wrestling?

What we’re saying is that if no one under 18 is allowed in anyway, then the ring girls should be full nude.

no…I’m saying that if under 18’s are permitted to watch WWF (which maybe they shouldn’t be) they should be allowed to watch a real sport like MMA…RoB and I were being sarcastic about not allowing it which is where I think the misunderstanding happened

As I said before, I think it’s okay to watch the fake violence of the WWF, but it’s something more to actually watch someone being beaten up for real, knowing all the blood spilled is real, so I dont get the comparison. Either way, I personally dont think there should be an age limit for either, certainly not under 18!

agree to disagree

Agreed

If people under 18 couldn’t watch WWE there wouldn’t be a WWE.

PW-

Not really. You would be SHOCKED at the number of people over 18 who pay $$$ to watch WWE.

And NO, they are not towing kids behind them.

Absolutely insane.

dana might say all F bombs but thats on his blog i dont thik i;ve ever heard him swear on a live PPV. kids copy all that fake violence, we call if fake cos we know it is but if a kid who’s not doing a move proper then it becomes real. i’ve lost count of the many times kids have been injured copy wrestling moves.

At the moment pro wrestling, well WWE anyway, is aimed at kids. All WWE shows are now rated PG in the US and their current demographic is children rather than the 18-35 audience that they aimed at during the Attitude era. Personally, I think that it should be at the descretion of the parents if they let their kids watch wrestling. If they don’t know what their kids are watching then they their parenting is poor.

Honestly, I’d heard that UFC shows were 18+ events anyway, at least in the UK, so this news doesn’t really suprise me. I can understand why young children are banned from attending because I don’t think that combat sports are suitable for them, although it would make more sense if older teens are allowed to attend. I think martial arts are a great thing for children to get involved in but I don’t think that full-contact combat sports are appropriate for them.

They aint 18+ in the UK, I’ve seen loads of young kids at events, like under 10’s.

I just heard a rumour around about the time of UFC 70 that it was 18+ but I’m 19 now anyway so an age restriction wouldn’t affect me.

thx OJR…and btw I didn’t mean to offend Americans if it came off that way…I was only trying to offend Hitler and Bush

poor Dirk….

McArthur, it was the german people who elected the Nazis into power, so they’re not entirely blameless. There’s an old saying about reaping what you sew.

Elected? Are you kidding me? Do you know what communism is? Are you telling me you actually think they voted the Nazi’s into power HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

I think there’s a big difference between the Nazi party and the bush administration; not fair McArthur =P

McArthur-

No worries. Most Americans feel the same way about Bush, also.

ODamn…I know there is and I apologize if I offended ya but I was just trying to make a point and went a little overboard BUT I will say this…80 years later we pretty much know exactly what Hitler and the Nazi did…the question is, 80 years from today what will we know about the Bush admin that we don’t know now…

LOL… the Nazis were communists now? And attakdog is right… the Nazis, who were fascist by the way, not communists, bullied and strong-armed their way into power, but they also had the support of the majority of Germany behind them. They could never have achieved all-out power if they hadn’t.

The German people were demoralized and embarrassed after getting their asses kicked in WW1 and they saw Hitler as the strong leader who could restore them to martial greatness and emiminate what most Germans viewed as the scourge of their society: the Jews.

Germans today paint the picture as if they were unknowing viictims of the Nazis, and never had any choice in the matter, but this is far from thr truth. Read “Hitler’s Willing Executioners”, by Goldhagen I believe. It won the Pulitzer a while back.

Making political statements is not recommended on an MMA board, especially if you’ve never studied the subject matter.

Adolf Hitler WAS elected in a democratic Germany.

Thankyou!

Lol, nah I’m not offended McArthur, didn’t like the guy either; just sayin, Bush was just incompetent, Hitler was straight up evil.

JJ…elected by who?…He was indeed appointed chancellor but use the term elected loosely as they didn’t allow anyone but Nazi’s to vote…

JJ…elected by who?…He was indeed appointed chancellor but use the term elected loosely as they didn’t allow anyone but Nazi’s to vote…

JJ…elected by who?…He was indeed appointed chancellor but use the term elected loosely as they didn’t allow anyone but Nazi’s to vote…

JJ…elected by who?…He was indeed appointed chancellor but use the term elected loosely as they didn’t allow anyone but Nazi’s to vote…

sorry bout that…mouse button was jammed

Whilst I don’t agree with bashing the Germans today for the atrocities that the Nazi regime committed, JJ makes a good point about “Hitler’s willing executioners”. I certainly don’t think that the German people were blameless for what the Nazis did, as many ordinary Germans who weren’t Nazis killed the Jews.

Hitler was not elected by the German people but his party was building up support. The idiot German hierarchy thought that they could control Hitler as a puppet in order to protect the Weimar Republic but we all know how that turned out. After studying German history, I believe that the German people at the time didn’t want democracy and instead wanted a strong leader to guide them.

However, I’m not going to blame the German people of today for the attitudes and actions of their forefathers, just as I wouldn’t expect people to blame me for the actions of the British Empire.

In July 1932, the Nazis achieved their biggest success yet and won 230 seats, becoming the largest party in the Reichstag.

Hitler was appointed Chancellor later on. He replaced the democratic system with a totalitarian one, and began the awful regime we think of today.

The point is that Hitler used the democratic system and the insecurities and prejudices of the German people that ALREADY existed to seize power. He didn’t roll into Germany with an army and take over against the will of the people. He had the overwhelming support of the majority.

Thankyou JJ, and not a communist in sight!

Jeremy-

Thanks for the knowledge.

I think the original thought that provoked this little visit down memory lane is still invalid.

MMA in 2009 has NOTHING to do with WWII/Nazis/etc.

Agreed?

I dunno David, I’m still a little pissed about how the Battle of Hastings turned out.

Friggin’ Normans. ;-)

Agreed OJR.

The transgressions of past generations should not be layed at the feet of their offspring.

And yeah, nothing to do with MMA at all.

all right, all right…next topic ;)