UFC Quick Quote: War between Dana White and John Hackleman on future of Chuck Liddell opens up new front

Yea he’s got a point, Hackleman has no other big name fighters; Chuck is his one and only cash cow.

I was just about to post this lol…

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/hackleman-white-war-over-liddells-future-17379

…But in typical MMA Mania fashion, they only print the Dana friendly part of the article. Hackleman says “Chuck hasn’t made a decision”…that’s the bottom line people.

I like Dana , but as usual he is being disrespectful. I am sorry Hack is doing fine with money. He has a few good gyms , dvds, Chuck , some fighters in the WEC , that fuck from TUF (that skinny cracked-out looking dude).

I’m not a Chuck Liddel fan, but if Randy Couture, Wanderlei Silva, and Big Nog are still fighting for Dana…then so should Chuck be.

Dana says he cant stop him fighting for another promotion, he’s not his father. Clearly you know you can stop him fighting for another promotion coz he still has one fight left on his contract. That’s the real reason Dana wants him to retire, so he still has power over him and no other promotion can make money off chucks back! Dana fears strikeforce putting on Chuck vs Tito 3 and making huge money. It has nothing to do with the good of his health. Look at the shadows of their former selves that Big Nog and Wandy have become and he isn’t calling for their retirement.

Why can’t Dana just simply let things go?? Why oh why must he play the concerned father only when it suits him? Why…well, he makes it sound as if he is concerned for Liddell, when he is concerned about the tarnishing of a product…and he owns that product.
Allow the fighter to make the decision. If you chose not to promote, then do exactly that…shut your mouth and simply make decisions, not ethical opinions.

the truth hurts for hackleman. dana’s simply stating it. this is a case of a truly talented fighter being held back by an inferior trainer. he helped him get to a certain level, but it’s really too bad that chuck didn’t seek out smarter and better trainers to come up with game plans for him and mix his game up once people started catching on to him and his style.

Dana is stubborn and can be a total douche. Once he forms an opinion, everyone else is wrong and he is 100% right. Dana does not have to ability to look at things from another perspective. Its always “I’m right, and the rest of the world is wrong.”

As for Hackleman, he is just a second rate coach that happened to befriend someone who turned out to be one of the all time greats. Unfortunately, Chuck let his friendship with Hack (and his love of partying) get in the way of his training. This is just another example of a great fighter getting into a comfortable training environment and letting the game pass him by.

F Dana and F Hack. The choice is Chuck’s. But if he does choose to continue, he definitely needs to move to a legitimate training camp full time.

And is it just me, or does it seem like Chuck has a substance abuse problem?

D White is a prick, Karma is a b!tch, and she has not been kind to a$$holes historicly

Look fellas, the point in this whole thing is that if Dana were such a true “friend”, he would let Chuck make this decision. And considering his coach (whether you trust his intentions or not) is probably the most knowledgeable(sp) about Chuck’s mindset, desires, and future plans…and he states that Chuck hasn’t decided what he wants to do yet…then Dana is doing nothing but shitting on his “friends” legacy by bullying him into retirement. Sounds like a real “friend”….lmao. I’m guessing Chuck is the type that stands up to bullying, not back down from it…therfore, he will request to fight his last fight on his contract.

JMHO

The best thing to do would be to put Chuck against Mark Coleman and scratch Bonnar. I bet chuck’s conditioning is better and if he won it, he wouldn’t take as much shit as if he just beat a can. If he lost to an over the hill, horrible cardio Coleman, Chuck would probably decide on his own that he’s done.

If anyone spoke about my trainer/bestfreind that way, i dunno man chuck should say something to dana about that. Low Blow!!

Also I belive The Pit has 6-7 other guys who have fought for Zuffa in either UFC/WEC!!

"F—king right I wouldn’t," said White, though he later added, "at the end of the day, if that’s what he wanted to do, I mean, what am I going to do? I’m not his f—king father. I can’t tell him, ‘No, you f—king can’t.’"

I like Dana, but he needs to STFU on this.
It’s not up to him to decide when a fighter wants to end their own career. This should be Chuck’s decision and no one else.
Dana needs to stop this micro-managing BS and check his ego.

Chuck just needs to throw a press confrence and address this matter so all the back and forth bullshit will end.

I agree with KS. Dana White doesn’t simply disagree with people. He slams them every possible way. Not cool at all. Perhaps he would talk this way whether or not he was in the media’s spotlight. It doesn’t matter. Hackleman is a friend of Chuck’s just like Dana is a friend of Chuck’s. Dana’s not Chuck’s only friend. Hackleman is entitled to his opinion. Hopefully, Hackleman doesn’t take the bate, and keep his end of this argument above the affray.

Chuck is the man but when it’s time… I think he knows Dana is right but is just not wanting to retire. Than pride thing !! Dana is trying to look out for his long time friend before Chuck goes up against one of these young bucks and gets seriously hurt. Noone of the young fighter are holding back because of his reputation. Hack is scared of losing his position and the money.

Coke addicts just dont know when to quit, they need their best friends to come together and have an intervention to help them adapt to a new lifestyle without blasting a shots of coke up their nostrils.

I’ve got a bet for you guys….

If Chuck decides he wants to fight the last fight on his contract, and Dana obliges without a court battle…I will bet any one of you guys $100.00 that Dana throws another fight contract on his desk for Chuck to sign.

Any takers?

If hack-man had wanted to stretch out chucks career he should have started a few years ago reminding him that he has four limbs and not one. At this point chuck should retire and focus on his fifth limb pursuits, they’ve taken up most of his training time anyway.

I’m definitely with dana on this one, Chuck has a legacy as one of the greatest UFC and MMA fighters and to be another fighter who free falls to the shadows is something that dana and majority of mma fans would not want to see. Perfect example could be Mohammed Ali greatest boxer definitely, but he didn’t have to end his career in such a car crash like fashion

Dana can be a douche at times.

I think deep down inside Chuck still wants to fight because it’s his life. True, he is old but we are talking about a former 4 time defending light heavyweight champ. Yeah he’s probably past his prime but if the man wants to fight let him fight. The media and Dana are blowing this thing out of proportion because UFC is big in mainstream media. These guys are fighters and they know the consequences when they get into that cage. Anytime you step in that cage you are putting yourself at risk for serious injuries or even death. These guys are trained modern day warriors and to deny Chuck of from fighting anymore and also announcing it to the media that he should retire is insulting.

Personally I would give Chuck another fight and let him retire with a win so he can end with a smile and retire peacefully. I think the mental side of Chuck is getting the worst of it not so much physically. Chuck always says John Hacklemen has been with him since day 1. So why is Dana trying to jeopardize their friendship by saying Hacklmen has dirty intentions? Once again Dana playing devils advocate.

I personally hope Chuck retires now because I hate to see him getting KOed but if he wants to continue fighting, let him. I’ll still support him, win or lose.

liddel’s the man and dana should be careful with his words about hacklemen. liddel practically made his ass too so he should shut up. he carried the UFC for years during his reign and kept them alive before the big boom of popularity.

All great points made by Dana, even if you are a hater you cant find anything wrong or not true about any of his comments.

Really hope that this doesn’t go any further. Dana White is ultimately going to ruin his personal and business relationship with Chuck if this continues down this path. Not that he cares or anything, because according to him, he made Chuck who he is today.

Yeah, Hack’s only “A” level fighter is Chuck, but obviously the Iceman thinks very highly of him both as a friend and as a trainer. One would have to believe that this is pissing Chuck off!

I really hate to see this happening. Chuck has and always will be my fav fighter, along with Arlovski. He deserves better than what Dana is doing. Yes, his days of being on top of the 205lb division are behind him, but he deserves to go out with his dignity and should be allowed to make the decision on his own. Hell, even if Dana said no matter what you are done, he should let Chuck make the announcement and keep his mouth shut!

Sorry for the rant!

Chuck should retire…….Ive never seen a fighters career plumet so fast. Chuck was great…..still is but isnt the same. His time is up, and Dana is looking out for him. If Chuck was his friend like he claims to be he should never dream of fighting for another organization. Who would want to go from fighting in the UFC to fighting bums in Bellator or Affliction ( wich seems to be the UFC’s waste pile anyway). Theres nothing left for him……

As much as I dislike Dana at times, I kinda agree with him on this one…but also if Chuck wants to keep fighting then just let the man be.

Hackleman would still kick Dana’s ass.

Reading about all the recent boxers who have died due to brain swelling and head trauma it makes me sad. I don’t want to see a mixed martial artist go out like that, especially Chuck.
And if he won’t protect himself Dana is stepping in.
Chuck not only holds his hands too low but not tight enough to his body. Add to that his diminished speed and more importantly, reaction time and he’s going to get caught. In the past that was fine but now his legs give out when he gets nailed solid.
Check Rampage(2nd fight), Rashad, and Shogun and watch just his legs if you don’t belive me, in fact his legs gave out once in the Jardine fight and the Wandelei fight.
I don’t need to see Chuck get knocked again for spectacle just to heal his ego which must be hurt.
What does he have left to prove? He’s already an the former champion who beat almost everyone in his prime.
After all these years of training he simply can’t change his style enough to not get ktfo.
Just ask Hatton. You are what you are and Chuck’s a knock out waiting to happen.

I also agree with Dana on this one, and I really don’t think it’s about the money. I think one of the reasons Dana is being a bit more demonstrative in his opinion is because Chuck is a very close friend to him. This isn’t Golf or Major league baseball for that matter, this is MMA. In most sports, you keep playing when you’re over the hill, maybe you start missing short putts or you start giving up more home runs. We’re talking about a sport where you can seriously get your marbles scrambled!!! Chuck isn’t losing split decisions or even unanimous decisions, he’s getting his frickin lights knocked out. Look at how quickly he’s deteriorated…….I’m sure many of you saw that Morning Show clip from a year ago or so, when Chuck wall all punch-drunk and fell asleep in the middle of the interview. This dude is obviously “off” a little bit, and I don’t think it’s the type of thing that will come back to you. MMA has been good Chuck, and Chuck has certainly been good to MMA, but he needs to start thinking about his health, and if he’s not able to look out for himself, maybe he needs his close friend to do that for him……..

I say one more fight and let him retire gracefully. Who is Dana to tell him what he can and can’t do? \

I don’t want to see the Iceman get KO’d anymore either but like they said you are only as good as your last fight so I’m sure he does not want to retire with that disappointing loss on his mind.

I am a fighter myself and when I win its the best natural high ever but when you lose it can be the most emptiest depressing feeling. Look at Evan Tannr (RIP) no disrespect but he was the top of the mountain for awhile and he crumbled away after his losses. Something tells me things would have been different if he beat Grove.

All I am saying is let Chuck get back in there and end with a win so he can retire happily. They should give him Mark Coleman or Houston Alexander.

Dana might have a point but he might not want to bad mouth Hack to this degree..Let’s don’t forget Hack used to own Chuck in the first meetings they had, and would defintely put on a beating to Dana before his suits jumped in to save him…He’s absolutely crazy to talk this kind of shit…I agree with all of Dana’s quotes but the “house” comment…c’mon guy..Would love to see Hack throttle him at the next fight and maybe Dana’s lap dogs can film it and put it on his blog.

I think the message Dana is saying is correct, I just dont agree on how he is delivering it.
Chuck is at a point where damage is being done everytime he gets into the Octagon, his brain is taking a beating everytime he is getting KO’d. Dana IS protecting Chuck, hang ‘em up before you really get hurt Chuck, you have nothing to prove: You are the most famous fighter in MMA, your a millionaire and were the Champ long enough!
Don’t go out like Shamrock, a shell of your former self.

Why the hell does everything with Dana have to be f-ing money !?!? It’s really starting to get me mad. The thing with RRJ, hey Dana you douche, maybe RRJ just wants to make Silva look like a fool, you tool. Now this crap without Hackelman having his house paid off? The guy owns like 3 gyms, get over yourself Dana. You just don’t want Chucky going anywhere so you will make him keep that one fight on his contract. MMMMMMMM everybody think for a second, isn’t Dana doing this to another fighter, OH YEAH Roger Huerta.

I like White and usually like what he says but this is bogus. Let Chuck make the decision. Let him fight lesser competition at least and then let him retire.

Chuck’s last five fights have been against top ten fighters in the division including the next champion and he also defeated Wanderlei who is still active.

So cut the guy some slack. Teach him to not be so driven by his hunger for a KO and to start blocking again and he should be able to still have some decent fights, win or lose.

Throw Chuck on UFC 100 against a gas can and call it has last fight. Have both sides agree and that’s the end of it

I say Chuck vs Tyson Call it UFC 109 battle of the washed up fighters with tattoos on there heads.