UFC Quick Quote: Rashad Evans will bother Lyoto Machida on May 23

I think Machida is faster- and he is unarguably a more educated striker.

Rashad… urine trouble, bro.

i agree with the machida being faster, but i see rashad being more explosive and quite capable of baiting machida into a mistake, rashad flat out annoys everybody with his stupidity, so it may work..

ill go with machida to win but don’t underestimate rashad evans ability to throw and land a bomb

ok I think it’s the other way around..
I hate Rashad but yea, haha

I think Rashad is going to get frustrated after his strikes miss continuosly, then he will do something raunchy like taunt Machida, and Machida will just pick him apart. This fight is going to come down to discipline and composure and I think Machida will be the new Champion. If anyone can catch Machida it is Shad, page, or Shogun….I just have to see it to believe it!

great fight…I think Machida will win, but I want him to lose so I can watch Rampage make shad his Bitch, and it leaves the door open for Anderson to take a run at the LHW title!

Question: UFC is always talking about mega fights, champion moving up in weight to fight another champion…why do we only talk about GSP moving up to fight Anderson…No one ever mentions what would be a better fight, having Anderson move up to challenge the 205 lb champion. I know, he thinks its Machida’s belt….but if Machida loses his title shot, I think they should forget GSP and have Anderson move up to fight Rashad, or Rampage, whoever the champ is by next years superbowl weekend.

Machida was exhausted against Tito so had that been a 5 rounder i think Tito would have taken over.. so that is also going to be a factor in this fight, and the fact that Rashad doesn’t have to move forward cause he already has the title so it’s Machida that’s gonna have to come and take it..

Machida vs Evans 100 meter race, who do u pick?

Two undefeated fighters who are great strategists. This is gonna be as close a chess match as I can remember. It’s going to decision I just don’t know who.

rashad is good at closing the distance really qickly and getting back out of the way before he recieves any damage, i think its going to be a case of machida having to go after rashad, he’s going to be patient and he’s the champ, if machida wants the belt he’s got to come and take it, i also think theres a chance rashad might beable to take it to the ground.
i am by no means a rashad fan and wanted him to loose to forrest and chuck but i can’t deny that he has a lot of power, that chuck ko made me feel sick, also he’s not a very big LHW but he is possibly the quickest, he has developed into a very dangorous fighter for any opponent, his stand up is getting so much better and its going to be hard for anyone to take him down. we havent really seen machida’s chin tested because he’s so good at avoiding punishment but i do think rashad will be quick enough to maybe catch him. i see rashad winning by rd3 tko or ud

I agree hughes.. Machida has never fought a guy like Rashad and you are going to see and believe it john!

I don’t want Anderson anywhere close to any title again, i am tired of that dude.. even though i appreciate his skills!.. he doesn’t have the fire in him anymore and i would be excited if he got his boxing match with RJJ

Hey John….There is talk about Anderson vs GSP much more than Anderson moving up to fight at 205 pounds becuase GSP has fewer mega fights and the 205 pound weight class is stacked…
Also Rashad is top 5 at 205 but he needs to clam down Tito is not even top 15…great fight tough can’t wait.

RoB, that dude is probably tired of outclassing other dudes.

HUghes: Rashad is good at closing the distance and getting out of Range, but no 1 is better at that then Machida.

As for the challenger needs to take the belt from the champion, thats what I thought, until i SAW fORREST VS. rAMPAGE.

Im telling you guys, Machida is going to win this fight. Who else hasnt lost a round since 2004? oh yeah, just Fedor the god!

Gotta respectfully disagree with whoever says that Machida will prevail,He is a talented fighter with a smart fighting style and seems like a fustrating one to.But I think Rashad will be faster to the pucnh and maybe even get a takedown,Machida did not look to good on the ground being put in a triangle by Tito Ortiz.

Evans will be the better man that night no doubt in my mind,He will be faster,stronger and have a better gameplan!!

WAR RASHAD!!!

Also Shad will beat Rampage.

john has fedor even gone out of the first round in that time?

Fedor actually has 2 UD(Crocop,Big Nog)and 2nd round armbar(Mark Coleman)since 04’ if thats what you where refering to randy murders?

FIGHT ANNOUNCEMENT***

UFC 102:

Maia vs. Marquardt!

Im not joking about this!

Sweet!

I would assume that the first round is either going to be EXTREMELY boring or that the first round is where Machida will strategize to capitalize. Rashad usually feels out his opponent in the beginning of the fight. It was interesting how Rashad took Liddell out of his game by staying a counterstriker. You would assume that he would do this to Machida had Machida not been so aggressive in the Thiago Silva fight. I would expect Rashad to feel Lyoto out for the first few rounds. Rashad has never been knocked out so we can assume that he isn’t too worried about this. I would continue this thought, but my girlfriend is nagging at me. I’m going to the beach. Later guys.

its official!

Awesome fight, I’ve been crying out for this for ages. Finally Maia is being treated as a top contender, I can’t wait to see him own Nate on the ground. Marquardt’s a great fighter but I’ve never been a fan so I’m hoping to see a Demian Maia masterclass on the ground to prove the doubters wrong.

Soon enough Anderson Silva will have two legitimate opponents for his title, or if he goes LHW full-time 2 worthy replacements as MW champion. I’m hoping Maia and Bisping win, so we get to see new opponents for Anderson rather than a couple of rematches, but I won’t begrudge Hendo or Nate their second chances if they get past my boys Maia and Bisping.

UFC 102 just got a lot more interesting, I’m now looking forward to 101 and 102 more than 100.

announcement***

The UFC has cut Vinny Magalhaes. For those that dont know, Jason Day has been cut as well.

Why hold up good fighters for the stupid reality show if they are going to just cut the runner up without even giving the kid a chance to grow…Makes no damn sense to me!

Well, Vinny will always have a bright future in pro boxing…

For the record Most of Fedors wins have been 2 cans.Call him an MMa “God” after he gets in the UFC and dominates like he does in the lower organizations and then ill give him the respect that he should earn.

John you’re right. No one is faster than Machida, they don’t call him the most elusive fighter for nothing.

Let’s not forget how Machida KTFO of Silva!

And for those that keep bringing up the Tito fight, remember that Machida as well as Evans have improved greatly with every fight. It should be good, can’t wait.

May 23rd – The Machida Era begins…

Yeah cans like Big Nog (twice), Cro Cop (in his prime), Arlovski, Sylvia, Babalu, Arona, Randleman, Herring, Coleman (twice), Schilt, Lindland and Hunt. C’mon man I’m not even a big Fedor fan and I still give the guy his due, he has beaten the top heavyweights in the world and done so with ease as well as appease his Japanese fans with freakshows, as well as dominated the Sambo championships for the last few years. And how is Pride a lower organisation? At the time of Fedor’s dominance it was the top MMA promotion in the world and thats where all of the top heavyweights fought. I’d love to see him in the UFC but the only guys that would be worth matching him up against are Lesnar, Mir and Couture (he’s already beaten Big Nog in his prime) and right now he’d win all three in the first round guaranteed.

Well said “The Legacy”

Just like Dana says, “to be the best you must fight the best.”

The problem is the Russian’s won’t be able to sell tickets after their “God” falls from grace after he fights REAL opponents.

In his last 2 fights Fedor beat 2 former UFC HW champions in the first round, how are they not real opponents? I like Lesnar but he is nowhere near ready to face Fedor, Mir’s got a good ground game but Fedor would destroy him on the feet and Randy’s had 1 fight in the last 2 years, which he lost to Lesnar and he would no longer be a competetive match for Fedor. As for everyone else, Big Nog has already been beaten twice by Fedor and nobody else in the HW division has won the belt, so wouldn’t be more legitimate opponents than Arlovski or Sylvia.

Right now, the guy who deserves a fight with Fedor the most is Josh Barnett. I’d also rather see Fedor face Overreem before any UFC HWs. Fedor has made a career of beating the best, including UFC champions, he just has not fought in the UFC.

Dana just bashes him to devalue his stock so he can cut a cheaper deal or other promotions won’t have as marketable a star, but all his bashing does is piss off Fedor and make Dana look like a moron.

Please understand….Machida has fought hyped up cans. Sokodju(dropped last 2-3), Tito has been washed up since 2005, Thiago Silva was hyped because he beat Houston Alexander. Rashad wasn’t much better but his wins are more impressive. Rashad will not chase Machida all over the ring. He will stand with him to counterstrike and then if it gets to the 3rd round he’ll go for takedowns and gnp. I am a fan of Rashad and I think if he gets past Machida he will be champ for a while.

whoa whoa whoa legacy you got the wrong idea, i don’t think fedor is some kind of god and totally hate the guy, i was kinda messin around when i said that never really cared about fedors record

Does anyone see this fight ending in a knock out? I know both fighters have KO power, but with that much running…err mobility no one will get a clean shot. I hate to say it this fight will be long 5 rounder with a lot of circling, hit and run…err move, ending in a decision. Not my favorite type of fight, but great talent in both fighters.
If I had to bet, I would put my money on Evans with an exhaustion submission.

David the level of Fedors competition hasnt been great, there are a long list of fighters on there who were kickboxers, side shows, not heavyweight or well past their prime. His best wins were Cro Cop and Nog, apart from them who has he beaten that stands out? Beating a ex-champ a few years after they drop the belt is so far from beating an actual champ. Just look at the rapid decline of chuck. Fedor has never had a fight in a cage either. He has a lot to prove if he wants to be considered the best heavyweight in the world.
David they werent the best, not even close, washed up wrestlers like coleman and randleman? For real? Tim and AA had both been cut from the UFC roster. Hong Man Choi is a slow, innacurate unfit kickboxer wirh zero ground game, same with Zulu. Hunt is an awesome guy and a good kickboxer but should never have been in with a top MMA guy as he has no ground game either. Linland and Bubalu are MW and LHW and not even top in their own weight divisions. Kosaka is a small guy and middle of the road journeyman, Semmy Schilt kickboxer with no ground game, Heath Herring good allround MMA guy but not top notch opponent.
he should fight Couture, Gonzaga, Carwin, Dos Santos, Kongo, Mir, Lesnar. Theres 7 viable opponents 4 of them ranked in the the top ten. (repost)

I can add that Linland is a MW and Arona a small LHW whos bjj is not great in mma anyway. If he grows some balls and fights the current crop of true heavyweight well rounded fighters he might get some respect but as for know he is a paper champion, nothing more.

Nice post PanicZoo,i’m impress!

PanicZoo’s post would be better if he didn’t have over-the-hill Couture as a worthy opponent. And Gonzaga, Kongo, Carwin, Dos Santos and Lesnar are either not real threats to Fedor(Gonzaga is basically a broke man’s Fedor, and Kongo would get taken down and subbed in the first and you know it), or they are all green and can’t be considered better than several of Fedor’s wins. You guys are funny with your logic. I mean you want to discredit everything Fedor has done and then say that those guys would prove Fedor’s legitimacy? I know that when I say that you must be a UFC nuthugger you will swear up and down that you’re not, and you just think Fedor is overrated. But seriously, it’s obvious that you think anyone not in the UFC isn’t as good as people in the UFC for that fact alone. Before Big Nog’s fight against Mir(when he was injured) he was unanimously the best HW in the UFC, and Fedor dummied him twice!

Diceman, you failed to point out any other standout victories of Fedors. And as far as knowing the result of a fight before it happens, im immpressed. Dont forget Fedor has never, repeat never, faught in a cage. We dont know how he will perform, the cage gives a barrier to clinch against, helps in defending takedowns and subs, helps stand ups etc has a much larger area with no corners. Also 4 out of those 7 are top ten, 6 of them are true heavyweights and all except kongo have strong grappling skills – mix this with Fedors lack of experience in the cage, elbows on the ground and the lack of well rounded on form competition in the last few years I belive he will be tested against any of those guys. For now I dispute his place at the top of the ladder. Also, i never hugged a nut in my life.

Diceman, using your logic the NHL, NBA, NFL, MLB all don’t have the best players in the world. Those organizations are were the best go to play the best, they aren’t affraid to meet the challenge so why is Fedor?

I’m not saying he’s not skilled, but don’t play with the boys and call yourself the best when you should be playing with the men.

PanicZoo:

Those familiar with me on this blog know I dont normally go after posters like this but there are too many holes in your logic for me to ignore. I cant have you miss-educating new bloggers on this site.

“Beating a ex-champ a few years after they drop the belt is so far from beating an actual champ.”

So you’re going to discredit his wins over UFC fighters Tim Sylvia & Andrei Arlovski while at the same time trying to argue that Fedor needs to prove himself in the UFC? Makes no sense. On another note, why go to the UFC if you’re already CRUSHING some of its most recent champions outside of the organization? Like him or not (I cant stand him), Sylvia was a dominant force at HW and has wins over several credible opponents. Prior to losing the belt to Randy, both he and Arlovski were ranked in the top 5 HW’s of the world. Arlovski was top 5 when they just fought.

“Fedor has never had a fight in a cage either.”

So winning a fight in a ring as opposed to a cage is somehow easier to do? Either has it strengths and weaknesses. That’s all there is too it.

“He has a lot to prove if he wants to be considered the best heavyweight in the world.”

30-1 record with his lone loss coming from a cut stoppage that he later avenged (which means he’s never been beaten). Beating 4 prior UFC HW champs. Reigning supreme in the largest MMA promotion in the world all while simultaneously maintaining his undefeated streak in World & Russian Sambo. (PRIDE sold out a 70,000+ stadium during its reign). FACT: PRIDE carried the top HW and lighter classes in the entire WORLD during his time there. It attracted said HW’s and others because of its size, draw & pay days. All of which dwarfed the UFC considerably. Why do you think Dana brought Liddell over there to fight? It was to try and piggy-back on PRIDE’s popularity and gain notoriety and credibility for his own organization. Overeem almost derailed him and Rampage shut him down completely…but I digress.

“David they weren’t the best, not even close, washed up wrestlers like Coleman and Randleman? For real?”

Coleman had just won 7 of his last 8 fights in PRIDE when he faced Fedor. Randleman had only lost to Rampage & the legendary Gracie Killer Sakuraba which he followed up with a win over Cro Cop that earned him the match against Fedor. Classic examples of “washed up” huh?

“Tim and AA had both been cut from the UFC roster.”

False! Both left because agreements couldn’t be made on contract terms.

“Hong Man Choi is a slow, inaccurate unfit kick boxer with zero ground game, same with Zulu.”

LOL I can’t argue here. 100% true. But overcoming these giants is nothing to sneeze at.

“Hunt is an awesome guy and a good kick boxer but should never have been in with a top MMA guy as he has no ground game either.”

So Chuck Liddell, Rampage, Vitor Belfort, Wanderlei Silva, etc should never have fought the best either because they’re great strikers who aren’t known for a ground game? On the flip side of the coin, Maia should never be allowed to battle the top 5 and Matt Hughes should have been barred from competing as well because they’re horrible strikers. Although its smart to become a well rounded fighter it is not a requirement to compete. Thus making your point moot.

“Linland and Babalu are MW and LHW and not even top in their own weight divisions.”

You’re obviously not aware that Fedor’s fighting weight is usually in the high 220’s to low 230’s. Which most LHW’s weigh come fight time. There are quite a few 185’ers that cut from that weight as well. Anderson Silva is one of them as well as Rich Franklin. If anything your point actually makes Fedor’s accomplishments that much greater because it means he’s a heavy 185’er or a light 205’er winning against top HW’s & Super HW’s.

“Heath Herring good all-round MMA guy but not top notch opponent.
he should fight Couture, Gonzaga, Carwin, Dos Santos, Kongo, Mir, Lesnar. Theres 7 viable opponents 4 of them ranked in the the top ten”

So Heath Herring isnt credible when Fedor beats him but Brock beats him and earns a UFC title shot. Hmmm…tHen you go on to say that Fedor should face Brock to help prove he’s the best…laughable. I cant believe you have the nerve to mention Dos Santos who;s only had 2 UFC fights while trying to discredit guys like Schilt who’s a kickboxing legend that happens to be as credible as they come! C’mon man, this aint Sherdog! Step your MMA game up before you come to MMAMania! And if you happen to be a Mania veteran who recently changed they’re name then shame on you for not realizing this stuff!

Ok PanicZoo, I was going to respond but Machine handled that. And UFCchamp, you’re comparing apples and oranges because the talent pool in those sports is much different than the talent pool in the UFC. Any dolt can see that Fedor has fought some top notch competition. I see you left MLS off the list, but it’s more comparable because there are tons of soccer players outside that league that are plenty good enough to do work in the MLS.

Damn Machine! Corner stoppage! One of you Fedor haters throw in the towl, cause Machine just laid the logical smackdown on PanicZoo!

Flawless Victory!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know I had to give him the business! Dude was outta line trying to clown Dave W-S and Diceman. Especially since his whole take on things was completely inaccurate. Too bad I didn’t get to this thread sooner so that execution could have been made public. I’m surprised you didn’t get a chance to lay into this guy.

Gutted Man U won, I’m never going to hear the end of it from my mates if they won the CL again. Can’t believe how poor Arsenal were tonight, only saving grace is that they only lost 1-0 so still have a chance at going through. If its Man U-Chelsea again I hope JT’s banned from taking penalties.

Rashad is going to have take the same strategy with Machida as he did with Forrest. Rashad is going to have few opportunites to catch him and finish. Tito almost did it, maybe Rashad can do it.

Yea Mousasi would def be a huge addition!

It should be Belfort..

mousassi is a light heavyweight now. Its probably cung Le to a 1 fight deal…

Ideally its Jacre!

I’d love to see any of these 3 in the UFC MW division, I’m a fan of all of them. I’d prefer Belfort make a return because I’d like to see him maintain his current form in the UFC as it would be redemption for him after his personal problems and would prove to the doubters that he still has a lot to give MMA.

when did Dana white say this? anyone got a link?

If I had my way, I would want it to be Jacre!

When will you guys get it in your heads that MOusassi is not a middleweight anymore?

It should be Channing Tatum..
why do u always spell their names Jacre, and MOusassi?

I’ve posted a link and the sites where I’ve seen it at, but I guess it’s being moderated at this point John…

If it’s Cung Le to a one fight deal Dana White should have to cut his tongue off because of how he says doing one fight deals is so f-ing stupid.

One fight is all it would take for Cung to get his ass handed to him by a real MMA fighter and prance off to make more B-movies.

Jroland: thanks for trying to post the link, but Mania RARELY allows links to be posted on this site. THats why when I post news, I never attach a link, I would love to be able to provide links for you guys, but everytime I do so, Mania never posts it….so I stopped trying.

God forbid we are actually allowed to post a link around here.

From a business point of view it’s foolish for Mania to allow links from other MMA sites. Why would he allow free advertising for his competitors and improve the possibility of losing a viewer to them as well?

Whoop-de-Freakin-doo.

not exactly mind blowing..

what’s mayhem miller’s status? i wouldn’t mind seeing him in the ufc again. one thing is for sure, every fight he’s in is exciting.

He’s still a douche, last time I checked.

lol, him and this new guy Rob (who like Alexander and thinks he’s classy) have a lot in common!

new guy?.. name a couple of classy fighters then? being quiet seems to be your definition of being classy..

lets not get ugly here kevin..

Haha, good call Jeremy :D

When I watch Machida I don’t see a fighter, I see a competitor thats looking to out point his opponent on his way to a decision. Which is fine, this is a sport and thats ultimatley the goal. For me personally, my favorite fighters are the guys that go for blood; fight to finish, and make an effort to put people away. They aren’t satisfied with just winning a fight, they want to win a fight in devestating fashion.

The Thiago Silva ko was nice, but thats one finish out of how many decisions? I think the guys only finished like 2 fights in his UFC carreer. And those decisions may have been won with great technical skill, but they weren’t particularly exciting. Just case in point, in the Ortiz fight Machida was boo’d out of the ring on a win; conversly, a fighter like Wanderlei Silva could lose the rest of the fights in his carreer, and I guarantee he’ll never be boo’d off the stage.

I don’t think anyone is saying he’s a bad fighter or that he isn’t a top guy in his division, but people want to see back and forth competitive fights. And guys fighting to win are the guys that make that happen, not guys fighting for points.

I’ve come to realize a win is a win, and if a guy can KO or bloody up his opponent without looking like you’ve been in a fight, good for him!

exactly, beautiful post!..

Just different taste I suppose. What I like most is that he takes the kind of guys you’re talking about and avoids taking any damage from them. It’s a nice change of pace for me and a thing of beauty IMO. I like a brawl as much as the next guy, but this is more impressive to me.

i agree 100%, and i find lyoto as bad news for the ufc lhw’s, even if no one can beat him, and he is a champ for years to come, then that means the title fights in the best and deepest weight class and all of mma, will not be fun to watch, and will bring no ppv buys and only inspire fighters to fight like him (boring). Bisbing, rashad, lyoto, are all great fighters on some big runs but wandy, leban, lidell, jardine who have fallen on some tough times, are the type of fighters that sell ppv’s, and get more people interested in mma.

A fight is a fight as long as the opponents are engaged. Lyoto fights and wins on his terms. How can you fault that in any way? This guys never lost a round since 2004. Do you understand what that means? That’s 27 consecutive rounds fought with 9 different opponents people! He has the ability to finish via sub or KO yet he never throws caution to the wind and only looks to finish if he forces a big enough mistake. I mean, how do you blame a guy who’s competition isnt trained well enough to give him a proper scrap? He’s a thinking man’s fighter not some blood thirsty savage with self-destructive tendencies like the Chris Leben’s of the world. Yes, I enjoy those spectacles as much as anyone else but no matter how you slice it this is Martial Arts at it’s core and the essence of Martial Arts is to win without taking damage and the highest aspect of it is to win while inflicting only what damage is necessary to best your opponent. This is what makes Machida that much better than the rest.

Good post Machine, I’m not faulting him for anything, he wins fights and he does it his way. But that doesn’t win me over as a fan. Those aren’t the fights I look forward to seeing, sorry, just not entertained by the guy.

personality or fighting style.

personality or fighting style.

no, Machine you described pretty much everything that i hate about the guy.. He can fight however he wants to, but winning the way he does isn’t worth it.. I wanna see some heart and fighting spirit, it doesn’t mean that you have to be a jacka$$ like Chris Leben that doesn’t know any better..
Machida does not fit well in the fighter category!..

lol, KO’ing a guy in the first round isn’t the way you want it done? Explain how you want him to win!

I dislike what he stands for and that is not even what fighting is about.. Martial Arts my a$$!
Lets see him “fight” Rashad and i bet to you that he’s going to get spanked!..

“don’t like what he stands for?” you amaze me today buddy. He stands for winning and having respect! He’s actually someone that people could look up to! But you are a houston alexander fan, so guys taking pictures with their buddies holding guns and has no chin or ground game is better at mma, because he can fight on the street!
laughable bro!

Well put Machine.

Most people over look or don’t even know the true meaning of Martial Arts. Everyone wants the big show, but that’s usually costly just like Chuck has learned recently.

I see Machida’s fighting filled with, side stepping, blocking, and avoiding his opponents attack. Rule #1 in Martial Arts.

Champ, thats a type of argument I can’t stand.. Just because I or anyone else doesn’t enjoy a fighters performance or like a fighter doesn’t mean we don’t understand the concept of “true martial arts.” And if you really want to get technical about it, martial arts is supposedly a way of life; whereby a person learns to master their emotions and balance themselves through training and discipline. Not just a series of side stepping, blocking, and avoiding attack.

no i am serious.. just because he ko’d Silva doesn’t make him any different, he’s still the same..
He’s just too f’in ugly thinking he’s cool!

what kind of respect?.. he looks pretty gay to me, and drinking his own urine is normal yea i know

Guys seem to be forgetting that the rounds, the points system, the term mma are just bullshit put in place to get sanctioned and gain public acceptance. This sport used to be more real. No time limits no rules no breaks. You get in the cage and fucking fight untill one guy cant take it anymore. I understand that these rules are a necessary evil for the sport to grow but i cannot admire fighters who just take advantage of the situation and aim for decisions. The point of open rules cage fights was to prove who the better fighter is not who can avoid getting hit for 3 rounds. Most fighters understand this and are hounarable enough to make it a fight. Machida is the main culprit, Bisping dables in it (Leben and Hammill) and looks like A. Silva might be adopting this underhanded style too.
If this spreads our sport is fucked.

wow Rob, how bout respecting himself and his opponent. sorry he’s not tank abbott. I like guys like Nick Diaz, but unmarketable guys like machida are a breathe of fresh air every once in a while! Isn’t it day time yet where you’re at? get to school son!

excellent post machine

It was about 2.am, i never go to bed until late anyways.. I have to chill out rest out the week now, keep it real!

rest of the week.. I like guys like that too, I agree it’s good to have all kinds of different ppl

O damn, what you and others see as a boring performance, others see it as exciting and technical.

Everyone has the right to like or dislike any fighter for whatever reason, but it gets a little lame when everyone judges fighters only by their “showmanship” or “marketability”. As I do appreciate those attributes, I due respect and value a fighters skills as well, even without a ticket selling performance.

As for the art of Martial Arts, avoiding attack is part of training and disipline. I never said it’s the only part.

LOL wow no need for a rebuttal to RoB from me. Looks like O Dam, Kev and UFC Champ took care of it for me. Thanks! I usually agree with O Dam’s logic but almost never with Kevins and UFC Champ is a new name to me. Anyway, good debate everyone!

seriously? chucky is still tougher than tito jamieson. i gotta disagree with you here.

Don’t bother getting into an argument about Tito with Rob. He insists that Tito is a better striker than Chuck, even though they fought twice standing up, and both times Tito got completely destroyed and looked scared as hell to boot.

It’s like trying to tell john that Fedor breathes air like the rest of us, or explaining to Adam G that BJ Penn is a transexual… pointless.

wow i didn’t know jenna jamieson came on this site

no, that is not what i said.. I said that he has better basic fundamentals, CHuck can’t even defend himself..
give them the same punching power and Tito knocks him out.. they were training partners and that had everything to do with it, Tito knew how hard CHuck could hit him..
Chuck is one dimensional and can’t even move so how is Tito not a tougher opponent?

Tito almost submitted Machida and “won” over Rashad, Chuck got knocked the f out by Rashad and would have been schooled properly and certainly knocked out by Lyoto since he begs to be knocked out with his chin up and hands down strategy..

oh man, you are my favorite poster on this site Rob. I’m a Tito Ortiz fan, but basic fundamentals? where did you get that from? When he was “defending himself” as chuck came off like a machine gun against the cage and TKO’d him? this is coming from a tito fan and I’ve never been a chuck fan!

I promise every mofo that Tito would dominate Jardine and Wanderlei too… CHucky barely won over Wand and lost to Jardine

mma math never works Rob! It’s like saying since Tito bangs Jenna, that he’s banged every other porn star on earth!

Chuck only ever lost one time by submission; and throughout his entire carreer in mma, has spent an average of 13 seconds on his back when a fight of his hits the ground… Chuck was never 1 dimensional, he just didn’t use everything at his disposal. As far as Tito being the better fighter… I think you could match those two up again for a 3rd fight another year from now, and even the over the hill version of Chuck would still lay Ortiz flat on his back.

Ortiz barely won over Wand; he had to resort to the human blanket strategy just to survive that fight..

The only “fundamentals” Tito has that are superior to Chuck’s are that he keeps his hands in front of his face.

His jab sucks, he has no snap on his punches, his strikes are slow and awkward. His concept of footwork is to walk forward or backward in a straight line. He telegraphs his power shots by lifting his shoulder before he lets fly. The only time a combination is thrown in an Ortiz fight is when he is getting hit with it. I donb’t ever remember seeing him throw a kick, but with those twiggy legs of his it probably wouldn’t cause a lot of damage anyway.

Chuck is a sloppy and unorthodox striker with awful defence, but he has natural gifts in the form of speed and accuracy and timing. These things are hard to teach, and Tito doesn’t have them.

Tito has strengths, but they are one-dimensional. He is very big and strong, especially his upper body. He is an excellent wrestler. He has very good cardio and is accomplished in the art of ground and pound. His submissions are almost non-existent, with the exception of the last-second triangle attempt on Machida, which I think surprised Lyoto as much as it surprised me.

Anyway, I know you’re a huge fan of his RoB, so I’ll leave it at that. Ducks/Canucks in the Western Final? It could happen!

RoB, you know better than to use MMA math…Tito lost to Chuck twice and that was enough…

you’re right but Chuck is a one dimensional fighter cause he chose to be and his lack of technique in that area has just been exposed..
right but match him up with Wand today and it’s going to be a clear win.. Chuck might still beat Tito but that doesn’t mean that he’s a tougher opponent to beat

yes I know better, but lets just say that Chuck has gotten old and has a style that is easier to beat then Tito’s..
Ducks is my fav team so yeah, go Ducks!!

I’m no huge fan of Chuck or Tito., but Chuck just has Tito’s number…doesn’t mean he’s a better fighter. If that were the case then that means Dennis Hallman is better than Matt Hughes, and Ryo Chonan is better than Anderson Silva…you get my point.

MMA math doesn’t work when comparing any fighters all around abilities…not unless the two fighters fought one another, then fought the exact same opponents…at the exact same time.

The closest thing (in recent memory) that you can compare Tito and Chuck with is their last with each other and their fights with Rashad. Yes, Chuck beat Tito, but Rashad knocked his fucking head off….even if you go by the book and say that Tito didn’t beat Rashad, Rashad did fuck all to Tito in 15 minutes besides get one takedown and cut him with one punch.

I say Tito and Chuck are pretty even in the comparison.

we’ll see how old tito looks post surgery. he definately looked slow in his last couple of fights. he did actually throw a leg kick once in the opening sec of the rashad fight.

no he threw a high kick and threw about 3 or 4 leg kicks that landed…
He threw about 20 leg/body kicks to Chuck the 2nd fight and went for head kicks.. He went for kicks against Machida too

MMA math never works, but i never ever do MMA MAth cause i’m not f’in stupid!.. I see a style and i think of how that style comares to the other guys style..