UFC Quick Quote: If Randy can do it, so can Chuck
by Jesse Holland on Apr 27, 2009 12:40 PM EDT
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"Chuck can do whatever wants to do. It’s disappointing. He lost to a great champion and that’s no reason to retire ... He’s fought 100 times and only been knocked out twice. We’ll talk about it in the next week or so but no one is going to tell him when he’s going to stop fighting. A lot of people thought Randy Couture was done at heavyweight and he went to Light Heavyweight and won a title. He lost to Chuck a couple of times then they said he was done again and he went to heavyweight and won another title. It’s up to Chuck. I don’t think Chuck cares about his fights. He wanted to fight Tito because he didn’t like him and for some reason he wanted to beat Vernon White ... If someone beats him he doesn’t like it but he says oh well, I’ve beat plenty of people. He doesn’t want a rematch just because he got beat. He’s the Ice Man. He’s kind of cold about that."
-- Long-time trainer of Chuck Liddell, John Hackleman, talks to Throw Them Bows about "The Iceman" -- not UFC President Dana White -- making the decision to retire from mixed martial arts competition. There may be a fighting fire that still burns inside the 39-year-old UFC legend despite his recent struggles inside the Octagon. We already know that Dana White made the decision for him to retire after the first round technical knockout loss to Mauricio "Shogun" this weekend at UFC 97: "Redemption. " It should be interesting to see if and when Chuck does make a decision whether or not it drives a wedge between him and White … especially if he wants to stick around and, at the very least, finish the last fight on his current deal and attempt to go out with his hand raised rather than flattened on the canvas.
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Looks like three to me too. Time to retire, ok maybe one more.
by scissorfight on Apr 27, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I noticed that too. But if you asked him, he doesn’t count the Rampage fight as a knockout.
by justagirl on Apr 27, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and I don’t count the fat girls as one’s I’ve banged!
by kevin on Apr 27, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn’t matter. It’s not simple KO counting. It’s that he looked like he needed to retire on more than one occasion. I hope he watches his own fights. Unless, he’s in denial, he should be able to see the difference between himself and Randy.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Apr 27, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t blame Hackleman for making this statement as it’s on Chuck’s behalf, but the logic is fatally flawed. Chuck’s style is dependent on hand speed and reflexes. Randy’s is not. Chuck could still fight and may be able to defeat decent fighters, but there is ZERO chance he’ll get the belt back.
As MMA continues to grow and evolve, it is becoming increasingly clear that speed and overall athleticism are most important. This is a natural progression of the sport, and why as time goes on, it will become even harder for aging fighters to compete at the highest level. Believe me, I don’t like admitting this, cuz I’m an old guy myself.
by CL on Apr 27, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the perfect example of why Dana White is an idiot. Dana gets a power trip by telling people Chuck will never fight again; like he can control what Chuck does? If Chuck wants to fight he can go to Afliction, Strikeforce, or kick someone’s ass walking down the streeth and I pay to watch any of the three.
If Dana would have kept his mouth shut, talked to Chuck off the record, I think it would have had a much better result, rahter then the very public statement that Dana ownes Chuck, he’ll never fight again, and Dana’s going to put him on the payroll doing nothing.
by Arnold on Apr 27, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree Arnold, Dana actually cares about Chuck. He will get mauled at HW. if he can’t take a punch from shogun, you think Carwin or Brock hit less violently? He’s done! He’s had a great career, be happy, act a little, commentate, but as far as fighting, I think it’s over Johnny! Not to mention, is the UFC gonna pay him half a million plus ppv % to fight guys like matt hammill?
by kevin on Apr 27, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Right on Kevin. Dana probably should have let Chuck do all the announcing though.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Apr 27, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure Dana does care about Chuck and he could have said that Chuck won’t fight in the UFC again, but Dana didn’t say that, he said “This was the last fight you’ll ever see Chuck in” I just think it’s extremely disrespectful. Chuck’s a big boy and can decide if he likes getting KO’d or not. I would prefer if Chuck stopped fighting, as I hate to see a legend slowly fall, but at the end of the day it’s Chuck’s decision… unless the UFC’s contracts are requiring your soul now too…
by Arnold on Apr 27, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
arnold…when did UFC contracts not require your soul? why do u think, I dont even want to see Fedor fight in the UFC? Power tripping ass Dana!
by john on Apr 27, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
well if you look at sherdog.com chuck has only been ‘knocked out’ one time (rashad), and has been ‘technically knocked out’ 5 times (jackson(2), couture, horn, shogun)….
by jb on Apr 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Horn? Horn submitted him by choke the first time they fought. Do they count that as a tko?
by brac on Apr 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess since he never tapped they count it as a tko because he couldnt continue.
by Benlardo on Apr 27, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure why the 2nd fight with Page isnt a KO , he was clearly out.
by Dayzah on Apr 27, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
in the page fight he was out for a second and then came back into it right away after big john called it, the rashad fight he was out cold, thats how you can tell he difference between the two…..and yea, he wasnt able to tap out vs. horn so that is considered a tko
by jb on Apr 27, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He also said he has 100 fights, maybe Math isn’t Hack’s thing…
by Jesse Holland on Apr 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Despite his faulty math, he has a point. Chuck’s losses have come to talented guys. It should be Chuck’s personal decision. I hope he sticks around. How about Chuck v. Wand II ?
by OJR on Apr 27, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s about the only fight I’d be interested in seeing Chuck take at this point. I was never a Liddell fan but he’s seriously got to retire before he hurts himself. His reaction time is obviously way off and his speed has fallen off along with his chin. Just because randy couture can do something doesn’t mean everyone can fight beyond 40. Everyone’s body is different and people have to realize that.
by Fidel Cashflow on Apr 27, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on all points fidel, I notice at almost 32, my reaction time has slowed, never mind a professional whose main job is protecting himself WHILE on the offensive!
by kevin on Apr 27, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He talks a lot about Randy moving weight classes… could he be eluding to Chuck moving to 185? I’d be surprised
by ---Caesar--- on Apr 27, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
amateur and pro Jesse, but to say out of 100 fights you’ve been ko’d twice when I count 3 out his last 4 opponents is just dumb. It’s like me saying I banged 1000 broads when it was really only 100’s! No need to pad Chuck’s stats he’s a stud either way!
by kevin on Apr 27, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you guys are confused, I think he is saying Chuck has been knocked out cold twice…Rampage and Rashad, and then the Shogun was a TKO in my opinion…or he might mean the TKO when he was choked unconscious by Horn….and then KO by Rashad. Who knows???
by Chadx23 on Apr 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
haha kev nice way to up urself with the “100 bangs!” lol
alhough i dont like chuck i felt sorry for him the other night lying on the ground…looking like he was at the last of his career.
I believe he can still compete though….
Chuck should either retire or else adapt….yes hes old, getting slower, etc but he hasnt changed anything in the last few fights – even though he has claimed to. I believed Rashad when he said that the ‘changes’ were all just a front.
Even when you look at chucks interviews theres no fire in his belly as such – i know hes the ‘iceman’ for a reason but he doesnt seem motivated enough to change/adapt his style to suit his age.
Randy did – he got smarter and got in better shape among other things but i havent seen Chuck change anything.
I know he loves Hackleman and they are like brothers but i think he needs to sack him and get another coach or atleast employ an assistant coach (a la Freddie Roach AND Michael Moorer working with Pacquiao and also Ricky Hatton sacking Billy Graham and employing Floyd Mayweather Sr. as his new coach)
any1 agree????
by Randy for Couture on Apr 27, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no doubt that Chuck should retire. There is no sense in him getting badly hurt when he just doesn’t need to put himself in that position. I would like Dana to back off a bit and let the man announce it himself.
by DSmith on Apr 27, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck should fight once at affliction against Fedor at heavyweight and then hang it up. It’s a win win…even if he loses
by EIGH8T on Apr 27, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
well jesse dont forget he fought in kickboxing and karate aswell so maybe 100 is not so crazy a number
by the heat on Apr 27, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
technically the rampage and shogun fights were ruled tko’s according to sherdog but he looked like he was out both times. I still believe he should retire why would he want to keep competeing knowing he has a slim chance of winning unless he starts fighting scrubs. He has lost his speed and his abilitly to take a punch and those were what won him alot of fights, he could take anybodies best shot and deliver his own, and most people could not take chucks power. I also personally believe he has lost some of his power. He landed clean power shots on Rashad, Jardine, and Silva and none of them went down, and we know Jardine and Silva both have questionable chins especially Jardine.
by matt on Apr 27, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
technically the shogun and rampage fights were ruled tko’s, but i do not wanna see chuck keep fighting. He has lost his speed and his ability to take a punch and i also believe he has lost some of his power. He has landed clean power shots on Jardine,Evans, and silva and none of them went down, back in the day if chuck landed a clean shot you were going down. Chuck is not Randy Couture and he needs to hang them up before he gets seriously hurt. There is only one Randy Couture.
by matt on Apr 27, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck has only been KO’d once! And that was by Rashad. The other two he got dropped and Page/Shogun TKO’d him. Im a huge Liddell fan and would love for him to continue. But the truth is that he didnt age like Randy did. So its about preserving his legacy, instead of doing a Shamrock!
by JV on Apr 27, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If he listens to Hack, that’s exactly where he’s heading. THE WAY OF THE SHAMROCK!!! An over the hill fighter that should have given it up years ago. Before you know it he’ll get busted for steroids and the entire name he built for himself will go down in flames. He doesn’t need to preserve his legacy. His legacy is already preserved. He knocked out some of the best in the business during his prime.
I loved watching Chuck and he was the reason why I even starting training in the first place, but the guy needs to call it quits. There doesn’t need to be any moving to another weight class or any of that nonsense either. I’ll miss you Chuck!
by bigbadbrad on Apr 27, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage only knocked him down. And we all know that the stoppage was early in the Rashad fight, chuck was just about to get back up…. Lying to myself is how i cope
by MattCat on Apr 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
Haha! When I first started reading that, I was gonna tell you how crazy you were! That is just too funny. Im the biggest Chuck fan ever… but I still think he should retire. He has done everything that anyone could do in teh sport! Rock on Chuck, live life now, just have a good time bro!
by enzo-enormous on Apr 27, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, with Dana White ‘forcing’ him to retire this could get really ugly.
by joseph.67 on Apr 27, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
it would be awesome to see him in Strikeforce, it would give them a big push. I really want to see two major MMA promotions. I’m tired of the ‘there is only one place for great fighters’ thing…
by orcus on Apr 27, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he does have one more fight on his contract from what I’ve read, so maybe Dana will be alittle forgiving (you can laugh) about it.
I like Chuck, but he’s getting old and that chin of his isn’t doing so well either. I think it’s just the passing of the times. Pretty much, evolve or die.
by Sean M on Apr 27, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
hes 39….lol not much time to “evolve” hes just part of the old generation of fighters and what we have in MMA right now is a new generation where kids have gronw up trianing in all aspects of MMA, boxing, BJJ, wrestling, muy Thai, ect…Chuck was a decent wrestler who knew Karate and kickboxing and could throw bombs and had a chin of steel, thats how he won his fights, take your shots and land his own and defend your TD. It was pretty fun to watch and now he’s just older thats it, no shame in that, so he should retire now.
by Chadx23 on Apr 27, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If he’s gonna stay in the game at this level, he’d better round out his skills! I think he’s already well rounded, but he’s chosen to fight one dimensional for so long, it has become a bad habit! A habit that has served him well in the past! But, we’re no longer living in the past!
by Dana's a CrossDresser on Apr 27, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
It sounds like Chuck got screwed to me, Couture tried to get away from his contract with no success, Chuck would run into the same brick wall if he took this to court. Dana will keep that last fight unfinished as leverage to keep Chuck tied up till he’s too old to fight. The Iceman is done, and though I do like Dana, I think that was a sleezy way to go about it.
by O damn he got caught on Apr 27, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
I do agree with the decision, I just don’t like how its being forced on Chuck and how its being presented to the public. I think all this retirement talk should’ve been done behind closed doors; they shoulda let Chuck make the announcement on his own retirement.
by O damn he got caught on Apr 27, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the 2nd comment here. However, I’m not willing to accuse Dana of using tactics to keep trapped in litigation unless that happens.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Apr 27, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck really doesn’t seem to want to retire, but Dana says with some finality that he’s done; it just leads me to believe that the decision isn’t even Chuck’s at this point.
by O damn he got caught on Apr 27, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that. It shouldnt be up to Dana.
by enzo-enormous on Apr 27, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
randy has a completely different style than chuck and he’s smarter than chuck also. randy can be 60 and still fight. not chuck. chuck is already a legend so the best for him would be retiring but again its his call. I kinda don’t care what he does from now on
by TRIKZ on Apr 27, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
I love Chuck and to be honest his partying has cut his chance at longevity. Every fighter that wants to be like Randy needs to take care of their health the way Randy does.
by natedog77 on Apr 27, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
Sure Chuck is capable of still fighting, but is his health worth it. Chuck cant afford to keep getting KO’ed like he did against Rampage, Rashad, and Shogun.
by UFC-FORUMS.COM on Apr 27, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
Chuck loves snorting and getting high too much now.
Let it go, Chuck. Let it go.
by Smarg on Apr 27, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
refer to the live interview with chuck in dallas on youtube..he was partying the whole night..catches a red eye flight and ends up at this interview…he makes no sense and almost falls asleep..and the interviewer is like..“you alright chuck??” a few times..priceless!!
by sarah on Apr 27, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can definatley see that; I took some prescriptions sleeping pills one time and one time only, not realising the potency I took more than what I should have and they kicked my ass. The next morning when I woke up for work I had to call in, I was stumbling like I was drunk from the effect of the pills.
by O damn he got caught on Apr 27, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he really was out partying all night, then he hopped on a plane, so yeah, sleeping pills is much more like it..but it is just a sad interview..hey i think chuck is a legend and all but you got to admit he looks f**ked up there..
unless pain killers are administered up the nose…?!?
by sarah on Apr 27, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
they can be, I usually take my driver I.D. chop the pill up and snort it, the sleep aid is actually 2-3x more effective this way.
by O damn he got caught on Apr 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
well sh*t.. there goes my attempt at being funny..k..well i was alluding to some other powders but hey..i have never taken sleep aids or pain killers other than ibuprofen..i’m a wuss..
by sarah on Apr 27, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference is randy lost 2 times in 5 fights and chuck lost 4 of his last 5…..pretty embarrassing if you asked me. IMO randy should quite too, he’s too damn old. I think somewhere in the mid thirties it’s time to pack it in, your reflexes and speed are the first to go. Chuck should have retired on a high note after he beat silva, too bad he kept on fighting.
by nathan on Apr 27, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
i think he could still beat forrest, coleman, bonnar, T. silva, krstof, stann, maybe jardine. and some fighters i hope to never see him in there with are H alexzander, jon jones, luis cane, page (again), lyoto, franklin, hendo, vera. I hope he retiers, but if not, i no longer want to see him fight top 5 fighters any more, his chin can’t handle the heavy hitters in 205 but he still has the skill to get the job done, he looked good in his last two loses (till he got ko’d), though he’s foot work looks pretty shabby these days.
by Blazy J on Apr 27, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
your fighter lists confuse me…i don’t think chuck would beat forrest or t. silva or bonnar and he already lost to jardine. i think chuck beats houston alexander still based on reach and technique in the striking.
by JB on Apr 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i think T.silva has the ability to win but not the chin, forest is so overhyped it makes me sick ever since his “win” over page, a rematch with jardine would be nice, and come on, bonner doesn’t win ever, even his win over jardine was a hoax, so does that clear it up for ya. i dont find H alexander to be a great fighter, but he hits way to hard for chucky and might kill em if he lands one.
by Blazy J on Apr 27, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I said it b4 and i’ll say it again on these silly Chucki posts….this site got no news on what a terrible card the last ufc was, and that it doesnt matter what hack says,,,, Dana said he’s done, so he’s done…unless its another one of dana’s publicity stunts to make people like us to wonder and want and make a match for chuck…if we all write “Yeah chuck vs Wandi II” then dana backs down and so on and so forth…get it?!
I think Chuck’s future lies with the fans not dana, chhuck or hack
by GORANDY on Apr 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions
Who gives a crap if Chuck SHOULD retire? I agree with what Hackleman said, in that no one should be able to tell Chuck that he is done. He basically built this sport and made the UFC what it is today, along with a select few others. Dana F’n White has no business sticking his nose where it doesn’t belong!
Even though I am a huge Chuck fan, I know that now is the time for him to hang ’em up, but he deserves the respect from everyone in the sport to let him make up his mind… ON HIS OWN!!!
Dana, you would not be where you are today if it wasnt for Chuck!!! Show some damn respect, and quit trying to make yourself look cool by telling everyone what is best for Chuck!
by tylerS on Apr 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
if Chuck wasn’t around Randy would have held that LHW belt for a while…
by Chadx23 on Apr 27, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC Quick Quote: “If Randy can do it, so can Chuck”.
Short answer: “No he can’t”!
by attakdog on Apr 27, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
How CLICHE people will always hate. GIVE CHUCK JARDINE one more time. KEITH JARDINE vs CHUCK lIDDELL 2. lets see how he does
by Carnage on Apr 27, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
The man can’t take a punch anymore- period. Stick a fork in him, he’s done!
by Rich on Apr 27, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
What is the efing talk about chuck getting hurt bad and should retire…we have freakin guys with no legs and arms doign MMA and goign the distance and here people are telling Chuck to retire…ef that..he is the man and should keep doign what he wants to do…he is still good…
by What? on Apr 27, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
Don’t think the amputee would go the distance with the company chuck keeps!
by attakdog on Apr 27, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
YES MATE, JARDINE REMATCH DONT KEEP TAKING OF 9 MONTHS EACH FIGHT THIS TIME THATS ONE OF YOUR BIGGEST PROBLEM I HAVE FAITH IN YOU CHUCK
by levis on Apr 27, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
I like that they still have hope in Chuck, but he’ll really have to start to impress for fans to be excited to see him continue fighting.
by ShitleTot.com on Apr 27, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
chuck has only been knocked out one time by rashad get it right that is what a knock out is not what rampage or shogun did
by justin sweeley on Apr 27, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
How did I know that was gonna come out of hacklemans mouth!
For all the good Hacklemans ever done chuck,
(which seems questionable since he’s never created any other decent fighters),
he’s been a reliably bad influence on him through his struggles during the last few years IMO.
It looks like Dana is the only person in chucks ear with a bit of sense.
But I wonder if it will trumps hacklemans svengali like hold over the iceman.
by robthom on Apr 27, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
CHuck should defy Dana…common CHuck show some toughness.and dont tell us your only tough in the cage and not outside it….your situation with Dana is soo weird its like Dana is your gay benefactor and you are his BOY TOY….lol…
by yokohama on Apr 27, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions
If they had to give him one more fight to finish his contract out and his career it should be Forrest, since he isn’t a KO striker that could lay Chuck out. It would be a respectable win for him since Griffin is a former champ, and even if he lost, he probably wouldn’t get hurt that badly since Forrest would likely just outpoint him.
If you look at Chuck’s career, he didn’t fight the elite level strikers until late in the game, not counting Rampage, who he lost to. Once he got a little long in the tooth, it didn’t help that he had to face guys with heavy hands in their prime. Wandy wasn’t in his prime, so that helped Chuck’s case.
Chuck did the best against wrestlers with decent striking, or even jits guys with decent striking. He could probably still get by Forrest. I say let him finish his contract and maybe go out with a better fight.
Then again, I just watched The Wrestler. Maybe I should shut up.
by revjames13 on Apr 27, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
Are you gonna be happy when he gets KO’d by forrest griffin?
by robthom on Apr 27, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
what the f@ck chuck?
if I may add my two cents…stop leading with your face!
by observer on Apr 28, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
Griffin wouldn’t KO him unless it was by leg strikes.
by revjames13 on Apr 28, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions
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