lol, there is gonna be a greasing controversy after every fight! I don’t know, I’ve been pondering it all weekend, the event as a whole sucked, sounds like the untelevised fights did too. That said I have no problem with the main event. Yes, Silva is a BJJ black belt, but it’s not a BJJ match. The fight starts standing, if leites can’t take him down, there is no reason for Silva to hop into his guard! This fight screwed it for maia/silva, but in my opinion, Silva should be done at mw. Have a mini tourney Hendo/Biping, Marquardt/maia for the title and move Silva up. Give him Jardine at 100!

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content4769.html

What do think about the greasing though Kevin??

I personally think that the grease during the fight will get spread out over most of the body during a certain amount of grappling exchanges anyway but to do this in front of Thales and the whole world BEFORE the fight is a little suspicious to say the least. Especially as we are still only just seeing the dust settle from the GSP fiasco!

FFS talk about giving Leites an unfair start….he only has his sub game to pray on for the win and Anderson goes and lubes himself up like he’s about to enter a bodybuilding contest!

you want my honest opinion? well here it is. Silva is bored! In my opinion, he is the #1 P$P fighter in the world and has no competition! Not to mention he wants to box. He’s basically saying “fuck you UFC.” he seems to want a challenge, so give him a Jardine, Alexander or even Rampage! Yeah I said it! The greasing was purposely done, in Canada in support of GSP! Speaking of GSP, his style would make for a great fight with Silva, but those of you saying GSP takes it, are nuts! GSP would look like he did after the first Serra fight, but worse! All you guys not liking Silva’s last 2 fights are not allowed to like Machida in the next sentence!

i want my 11 secs back from the silva fight..

how bout this…Tito Ortiz vs. Anderson Silva!!! I’d pay to see that fight!!!

hehe, they have to sign the big boy first.. I don’t wanna see it because it would be unfair to Tito, he is a marketable fighter and him being beat by an unmarketable Anderson Silva ain’t right..

thats the point! Tito has a huge following still and could market the fight, he’ll stand and bang, and if he does take Silva down, his Jits sucks so silva would stay down there with him! I’m just trying to suggest exciting fights that may be competitive!

Wow Kevin thats a bold statement! You never know you could be right. lol

I honestly believe Anderson wasn’t doing anything on purpose but that doesn’t change the fact that he did it. Anyway I’m sick of talking about greasegate which is why I never got involved the first time round but I thought it only fair that if GSP got chastised then it is only fair Anderson should be too to some degree.

BTW Interesting little comment from Rashad as well about chuck. I think he is being a disrespectful though saying “you have to wonder if he is on the border of a medical problem or something” comment.

I just think Chuck is not able to hang with the upper tier any more. Doesn’t change what he has done in his hey day though which is a hell of a lot more than most fighters. People are acting like losing to Shogun is a really bad thing. I think Shogun would do the same to Rashad if you ask me!

I certainly don’t want to see Anderson/Maia anymore…

LOL Can you imagine what Dana would say if Tito beat Silva.

Dana should be extremely happy if that happened! that would be absolutely awesome for Dana’s business!..
Kevin, Tito’s jits does not suck at all why would u say that?..

Anaheim Ducks for the cup!!

wow, you guys are ridiculous! you call that greasing? HE’S WIPING SWEAT FROM HIS FACE! So I guess now guys can’t sweat…

this is why all of you knuckleheads shouldn’t be worrying about “grease” in fights. Guys get sweaty, vaseline that’s applied to a fighter’s face gets else where when a glove hits it and then hits something else. for crying out loud!

I don’t see a vasoline jar?

exactly, GSP’s wasn’t as obvious, and was way worse!

Also the f..ker!Yes i said it!Fucker,Sylva did’nt really apologize for is performance""Not everyone understands what they are watching," "But hey, you guys can boo if you want. You are paying my salary."
What a fucking A.. hole!

Kevin,STFU!You really piss me off today,with your remark of GSP.Like the,one that you said “but those of you saying GSP takes it, are nuts! GSP,would look,like he did after the first Serra fight, but worse!”Dont fucking say thing,like that.They are ,people who,can say the same about you(your nuts)to think that GSP would get dominated by the spider IF that match up comes up.What i’m saying is that you have a good and strong opinion that a lots of peoples respect,that’s why we are keeping to read your comments(how,could you not?Especially when you comment on every news that Mania post.)I know that you don’t like the guy(GSP),but man,please stop insulting peoples for thinking otherwise.Also i recall heard you said that the ice man,would be too much for shogun.And now your saying that you where taking for Shogun this week-end.Make up your mind buddy!

check alllll my posts, ive been on shoguns nuts since day 1

Part 2:

I really enjoyed seeing the behind the scenes of Chuck n Shogun in the locker room right before they made their entrances! This is what a like of the blogs, the behind the scenes with the fighters…I hate watching Dana make stupid bets and goofing off with his friends. BUt the behind the scene fighter footage is invaluable!

I really dont like Dana calling the Silva fight an embarrassment. MMA isnt like other sports…Abandoning your gameplan doesnt just cause you to lose in mma, it often causes you to get hurt. Fights start standing up. Silva stuck to his gameplan of not going to the ground with tHales. Its thales’s job to get the fight on the ground if thats were he wants it to be….Just falling down and hoping Anderson will come down to the mat is simply unacceptable, but I dont think it was as terrible as many people are making it out to be!

I know hommie…thats why I didnt call you out! I took a mental note the past couple of weeks on who the REAL Shogun fans are….and you are definitely on that list. Thanks for being a real fan, and not crucifying one of your favorite fighters during his darkest hours…We stood by Shogun during his tough times, and now we will reap the rewards by getting to watch him take the LHW division by STORM!!! All top UFC lHW’s need tyo be put on NOTICE!!! His knee looked great! Did you see the way he was winging those kicks at chuck. I havent seen him commit to Kicks the way he did against Chuck since entering the UFC and that tells me that he is finally getting comfortable on that knee.

Big things coming up for SHOGUN!!

I cant wait to see Shogun put a beating on Rampage again.

why is everyone so high on shogun all he did was beat a washed up fighter I mean lets wait till he beats someone in the top 10 list first and not 2 old has beens b4 we crown him next champ

thats not “all he did”…hes been a beast for years and now he is back going to destroy the 205 division. he should fight winner of Forrest/Silva

I agree Newfie! Silva shogun would be great, and I sure as hell wouldnt mind seeing Shogun splatter Forrest’s forehead with another 30 somethin stitches before putting the finishing touches on FOrrest and get his REVENGE!!!!

Forrest: “wow man, what a difference having 2 working acl’s makes”! hahahaha

I’m a shogun fan John, but you’re getting ahead of yourself here! Yes he KO’d Chuck, but in the fight I was watching, Chuck tagged him and had him moving backward a few times as well as took shogun down. Lets be real, He definitely KO’d Chuck, we didn’t see enough to make us say he’s 100% back to form. Just my opinion and keeping it real for you!

Silva worked his gameplan and he punished Leites throughout. Its not his fault that Leites did not want to stand up.

Shogun looked good. Let’s hope he stays that way.

Chuck should stick around. He lost to a young lion in Shogun. No shame in that. I would worry about Chuck if he started to lose to some cans.

I kinda agree OJR but I would hate for Chuck to take a step down in comp. Division seems too stacked for him right now. I would hate to see him fight someone like Schaefer

OJR and Mcarthur, it’s 100% a financial thing! Chuck is one of the highest paid guys in the UFC and gets a ppv%! Unless he takes an enormous pay cut to fight cans, he’s done! Dana doesn’t want to slap his best friend in the face with a 200k a fight plus pay cut and no back end cut, and then feed him cans!

That’s what I’d like to avoid seeing OJR. Hell everyone in the division is younger than Chuck. Trying to evolve your game at 39? It’s a little late. That’s the problem with letting Chuck stick around to fight the b level fighters like Hamill, Vera and Thiago Silva- I don’t want to see him get KO’d by them. I don’t want him around painfully trying to stay relevant. Now is not too late and is a good time to go.

i will never be a shogun nuthugger unless he is fighting rashad then i will call him the greatest fighter ever right up until he kills rashad then he sucks again..

he looked gassed after his entrance breathing through his mouth, he was gassed when he knocked chuck out and through a dangerous haymaker.. if he fought machida like that he would be down on the canvas..

Kevin is right. Its a financial and a personal choice that he is making for Chuck. Look how people have gone from Legend to chump by continuing to fight past thier prime. It will be a hard pill for Chuck to swallow but he will have a lot of other avenues to pursue in this sport anyway.

Shogun did beat Chuck, I hated every second of it.

So I was wrong, but we still didn’t get a clear picture if his cardio got better. SHogun ate a few good ones from Chuck – the fight did seem pretty even up until Chuck got tapped on the chin and colapsed to the canvas.

Oh well, I still hate Shogun.

so Kevin: Shogunj didnt look good because he was moving backwards and got tagged a couple times against a legend? Who ever fighst without backing up and getting tagged a few times?

Regardless of us only seeing about 5 minutes worth of action by shogun, he looked way better then he has ever looked in the Octagon. Just his movement, and the way he was commiting to his kicks…tell me that he is getting comfortable on his knee. Being comfortable on his knee means that he is able to push himself harder in training which will equate to continued improvement in his cardio. Remember, Shogun skills were NEVER the question. He is EASILY one of the most skilled and well rounded fighter in the Light Heavyweight division. His recent problems are stricktly cardio based, which are understandable considering the 2 knee injuries/surgeries, long lay off….He had tremendous amount of pressure on him saturday against Chuck…I almiost crapped my pants when I saw how nervous he was and how focused chuck was during their enterances….

In closing, The important things I took from his performance are, his knee looks good. He trusts its! Its also important to notice that he had his back up against the wall, in a really nerve wrecking situation, and the young kid rose to the occasion.

I am ready for him to take a next step up in competition, so that he can eventually take back his throne as the King of the light heavyweight division. Shogun will be champion in 2010!

let them keep douting john, no seat saved for kevin on the bandwagon.i said i though shogun would ko chuck and he did its one step and in time all the haters will change there tune.

Roy: I know man! Kevin is actually a shogun fan, but way to negative for a seat on the Shogun WAR WAGON! Kevin: YOur application is denied buddy! Im the paptain of this warwagon! Been holding Shogun down since day 1, and nEVER once doubted his imminent return to the TOP!!!!

Kevin: read my above post addressed to you, and tell me what part of it you disagree with. Except the last paragraph were I stated my opinion, the rest of my post is pretty much….FACT! What part would you disagree with?

Correction: im the captain of this ship…..

so who would u go for in a Shogun/Rampage fight?..

Silva wipes his face a few times with his back to center of octagon then proceeds to rub his chest….not a big deal at all really but interesting…Dana didn’t say anything that I’m aware of

Yeah i saw the greasing footage but was just interested if anything was mentioned ringside by Dana and co. Thanks…I’ll check it out later.

i think it was just a gesture mocking the grease gate controversy..as if he needs that to help..it was a point he was making..come on..these fighters did not make it to the top by doing illegal things..the whole issue it mute!!

How was it a gesture,his face was covered in vasoline,and he rubbed it all over his arms and chest.Also he was going in there with a world champion at BJJ ,which is the only reason you would want to be slick

GSP got all kinds of crap for sopmething his corner did,Anderson has received no crap for doing it himself

Exactly Scott. GSP looked really hurt by all the bad press and repeated questioning regarding greasegate and he didn’t even put the f*cking grease on anyway.

Yet Anderson can do it so blatantly and noone even says anything!

Double standards if you ask me.

I don’t think that was a gesture. If anything it looked like he was mindless doing it. It’s not like they had that much real contact during the fight. I don’t know why someone would purposefully do that and then make it their business to not get on the ground after that.

Just in case it went to the ground which it did briefly in the 2nd

Half way though the second Banha must have been making you worry, but he came good in the third.

Cantwell impressed me though, good chin and heart, big future but needs to get bigger.

I said Cantwell would surprise a lot of people and if he would have brought it in the 3rd it would have possibly gone the other way. He is a tough kid but I just think he was maybe a bit tentative but then again it wasn’t me getting Banha’s bombs thrown at me so….I say he did a good job considering.

Ca$z: I backed you up on Cantwell last week. I think he has a very bright future but I rate Cane highly and didnt think Cantwell was ready for Cane right now in his young career.

MoonUK: I actually missed that fight! I watched the event at a bar, and couldnt find parking for a while so I missed the Cane fight…so I didnt have the chance to be worried. I still havent watched that fight but I will probably do so today in one of my more boring classes.

Cane looked done in the 2nd, but found a second wind and confirmed his win with a good 3rd round.

I had Cantwell winning the 2nd but I believe 2 of the judges gave all 3 rounds to Cane.

Its a good fight John. Cane is a beast and will give some people a rude awakening but I don’t think anyone will be taking him lightly now considering his resume so far in the UFC.

I was just happy to see Cantwell take all of what Cane could offer and still be on his feet when a lot of people were on here saying he was gonna get massacred. He is a tough, young kid who will learn a lot from this fight and come back stronger for the next one I’m sure of it.

u guys need to go to Vegas!!! after each ppv, none of u ever lose ur bets, u guys always seem to get 7 of 8 or 4 of 5. i cant believe u can still find someone to take ur bets, u guys are like Jim Feist

John,like i told you on another post,I was actually there saturday night(bell center).Your Banha did’nt impress me at all,i was so pump to see him in action cause of everything that you say about him,turns out to be not that impressive at all for the next big thing!As for the crow,man that was desapointing!But Herman did a really good job to control the fight cause of is superior wrestling.Also by the way your professor x sucks!Kang just outclass him in every way.But buddy the best thing of my night was Shogun destruction of the ice man.Damn that was sweet especially after spend the last month to say whit you that he,will be back.I’m just getting my voice back due of the crazy screaming.Good times!

maybe…from my seats it looked as though Wiman got the better of him striking and on the ground but I have not seen the PPV broadcast yet

Stout won the fight fair and square.. Wiman was beat up!

I would have personally given him a very close R1 and he handled him well in R3.