lol he’s always had a slight beer belly

rashad is scared that might happen to him… he is becoming like a chuck liddell type fighter… great wrestler but prefers to wing punches

This is why so many people dont like Rashad…I mean its sad to see what Chuck’s going through, he doesnt need fighters talking trash about him on top of everything. Its Sad!

Rashad is so damn stupid! Doesnt he realize bashing Chuck is down playing his greatest KO of his career? what a fool!

I gotta agree with Rashad.. Chuck came with the same hands down aggressive style he ussually brings except was about 2 times slower than what he use to be. I feel bad for Chuck cause I love the guy but I just dont think he can get away from the partying and the hollywood lifestyle enough when his opponents are training their asses off.

aS for chuck….my love for Shogun makes it seem like I am not a Liddell fan, but thats not the case at all. I love Chuck. He kept the UFC on the map while PRIDE was the top organization, and I have to love and respect Chuck for that. Lets face it, not only is chuck aging at an alarming rate, but many of his opponents weren’t exactly the creme de la creme of the LHW division worldwide….Today the LHW division is just Ruthless, and its going to be hard for chuck to compete with the best of the best. chuck doesnt want to retire and shouldnt be forced to. if Dana forces him to stop fighting before he is ready, Chuck will be forced to jump ship and sign with Affliction or Strikeforce which would be really stupid on Dana’s part. YOU dont hand over the most popular fighter in America to growing organizations like Strikeforce and affliction….it would just be stupid on Dana’s part. I dont think Chuck is ready to stop fighting so Dana has 2 options:

1)Stop matching Chuck up against top 10 LHW’s. He should be matched up against B level fighters like Matt Hammil or Brandon Vera.

2) Force Chuck to leave the UFC and hand him over to the UFC’s growing competitors (bad idea if you ask me)…BUt I wouldnt mind seeing Chuck in other organizations being matched up against guys like: rogerio, Fejao, MOusassi, or Sokoudjou.

This isnt a knock on Chuck, but I think most of his opponents that he ran through during his glory days were tailor made for Chuck. Think about it: Chuck has never really been matched up against good strikers until his recent losing streak. Name a top level striker that chuck has beaten? Only one I could think of is Vitor Belfort! All his other opponents were inferior strikers tat were basically all wrestlers or submission grapplers: babalu, Tito, Randy, Randleman, jermey Horn….None of them are good strikers! UFC aquires Pride and the TUF stars grow up, and Chuck is getting out struck at an alarming rate! THink about who he lost to: Jardine, Shogun, Rampage and Rashad….all of which are better strikers then anyone Chuck beat during his Prime.

hOw do you guys feel about this post?

whata are you talking about ufcaddict? Rashad is nothing like Chuck Liddell.. Chuck isn’t good enough standing that’s why he lost, and he’s too old now and slow..

Hey john… Chuck beat Overeem and Wanderlei as well. You saying they aren’t good strikers?

I actually agree with your premise that a lot of the guys Chuck highlight reeled weren’t proficient strikers… but some of ’em were.

john post: the truth hurts, what you posted is true, the only other person he faced with decent striking was a young overeem, who was actually beating chuck! however chuck never choose those fights, and he was able to beat them striking because of his wrestling, surprising that all of those guys are stil fighting, who i believe are more 1 dimensional than chuck – chuck is a wrestler, kickboxer, knockout power puncher with a purple belt in jits, he just never utilized all of his strenghts, his skills always evolved, he just never evolved his gameplan!!

Jeremy: Im talking about chucks opponents that he beat to become the face of american mma!

btw, at the time Alistar was garbage. Yes he was a good striker but always folded when he faced top competition. He was actually whooping chucks ass for most of the fight until he got caught, but thats a different story.

did you lose my post mania?

Great points John. You do question me alot but you are right. The LHW’s are very good, The top ten LHW’s is thick. Rashad does need to shut up and keep fighting top 10 guys. He sould worry about himself and leave the LEGOND alone. Love you Chuck. Any honors you get you earned.

that is so true, and Chuck has never been a technician, he’s always relied on his speed, power and chin when he fought guys that wanted to strike with him back in the day..
Rashad is a moron, saying stuff like that even if i agree with him, isn’t smart!

I agree John. I posted something similar in another thread about his retirement. He only fought two guys that had more TKO’s or KO’s than other types of wins and that was Randy and Tito(3 of his 8 came from Shamrock) between the two Rampage fights. If you look at the punch that Rampage landed the in the second fight, it was no where near as vicious as the Rua or Rashad punch. He probably never really had a solid chin. The whole situation reminds me of Rocky III, lol. Chuck could comeback, but his game needs to change drastically.

the punch that you don’t see is the one that’s gonna knock you out! Chuck closes his eyes when he’s throwing, and Rampage caught him from an odd angle that made his head spin.. It’s more about defense than it is about having a good chin.. And the Wanderlei comment does not work simply because Wanderlei is 5’9-5’10 and he is exactly like Chuck swinging with no defense..
Tito is probably a more technical and wellrounded striker than Chuck is, but he lacks punching power and Chuck had that mental edge on so he knew that he had nothing to worry about..

What I dislike very much is the thought of him even being involved in the business of the UFC, Chuck has never been a businessman and has never had that personality.. He likes to party and fight and that’s it!.. He was never the biggest draw in the UFC either he has always been a big draw but never the biggest, and ppl seem to think that just because he was marketed the most by Dana.. I like Chuck as a fighter and the “star” that he is, but i have to keep it real and look at it as it is..

Chuck probably never had a solid chin? Have you seen any of his earlier fights? Did you see the shots he took from Overeem and Mezger? Rampage couldn’t even KO Chuck in the first fight, he was pounding on him, but Chuck wouldn’t go out. Eventually Hackleman had to throw in the towel. He had a war with Vitor. Part of the reason he didn’t fight a lot of strikers in his early years is because strikers where getting their asses kicked in mma by wrestlers and BJJ guys. Hell, after everyone saw how good Royce did, BJJ guys were flocking to the UFC like crazy. Then came the wrestlers because they were able to keep the BJJ guys from getting good positions, and were able to get the top and use ground and pound. Next thing you know everybody was using that style. Chuck was the first striker to really start hammering the grapplers because they could not get him down, and took a beating in the process. He wasn’t fighting tomato cans, they were the best fighters of the time. Look at the list of people he beat- Randy twice, Tito twice, Babalu twice, Vitor, Alistair, Monson, Mezger, Randleman, Wanderlei. Even Vernon White was considered pretty damn good at the time Chuck fought him. The guys that have beaten Chuck are not exactly cans, but top 10 fighters, but even with that being said, the only one that beat Chuck in his prime was Rampage. Unfortunately everyone gets old, and loses a step. In fighting sometimes people get old after 1 fight. Chuck did have a great chin, but now it has betrayed him. Everyone always talks about how he doesn’t keep his hands up, but he never kept his hands up, and up until recently, he didn’t have to. That was his style. He could just eat a giant punch, shake it off, and then KO the guy with his own punch that nobody was able to just shake off. The problem with that style is that over time you take a lot of punishment, and eventually your body says it has had enough. In my opinion Rampage started a very quick downward spiral for Chuck after their second fight. I think that whatever he had left in him was used up and left in the cage after his win over Wandy. Knowing what I know now, I wish that would have been his last fight, because that fight was epic. I am not trying to take anything away from Shogun, but I wish that fight could have happened a few years ago.

If Chuck wasn’t the biggest star of the UFC than who was? Also the idea that Tito is a better striker than Chuck is ridiculous. Tito was part of the biggest ppv with Chuck, but lets be real, most people bought that because they wanted to see Chuck KO tito, and that is exactly what they got.

so why is it that Tito was a bigger draw than Chuck was for every PPV?..

Tito is a better striker than Chuck is technically, the idea of you not believing that is ridiculous..

The biggest ppv was Chuck and Tito, so why are you giving all the credit to Tito? As far as his superior striking, boxing is only one aspect of striking. Tito and Chuck fought in their prime, if Tito was the better striker then how come he looked like creamed corn when both fights where over. Both fights were almost 100 percent striking, and Tito was never close to winning either.

yes it was, but Tito was the bigger draw proved by the numbers on all other PPV’s through both of their careers, Chuck has always been a big draw he just wasn’t the biggest even if he was the most known fighter through the UFC’s marketing..
About the striking, it was because Chuck was the more powerful striker and that they were former training partners so Chuck knew that he would win if they went in to a brawl, and he did cause Tito couldn’t take him down and made the mistake of going in to exchange.. but every fight isn’t gonna be a brawl and Tito definitely has the better defense and the better technique of the two as i said..

GOod debate boys!

Rashad doesn’t mince words…he calls it as he sees it and says exactly how he feels. You have to take into account that a lot of these quotes we see on mani and everywhere else is because people are asking these guys questions to get these kinds of reactions. I know it may seem cold but he’s absolutely right. Chuck’s style didn’t change at all. I was saying the same thing to my buddies during the fight. I was really hoping to see the ATT influence in his style but it was the same old Chuck we’ve always seen except a lot slower. His defense was the exact same as it had always been. I think Chuck should retire. The only thing that kept him going was the chance to get back to the title and I just don’t see how he can possibly get there again. I don’t think he’d like to be matched up against B level fighters and not being the main event anymore. I also don’t see Chuck leaving the UFC for another organization but stranger things have happened.

I agree with john about Chuck’s reign in the UFC. I’m not taking anything away from Chuck as he and Tito were the two greatest LHW of all time in the UFC. Looking at Chuck’s resume, you start to realize that he hasn’t had to fight anyone that could really hurt him on the feet. Chuck coup de grace was his takedown defense…that was his insurance policy that never failed. Chuck, Franklin, Hughes all dominated during a time when the UFC was just starting to attract the best fighters. I’m not taking anything away from any of those great champions but if you look at some of the competition they faced compared the level of competition a champion in the UFC today faces…it’s a pretty big upgrade in the level of competition.

Also…my girlfriend just bought me season 2 of TUF…can’t wait to watch that one again.

john…what’s your last name again…I’ll hit you up on facebook.

Giampaolo…Just send a message attached to your invitation so I know its you… Any other maniacs are all welcome to send me friend invites on Facebook! LIke I said just attach a message letting me know what your mmaMania name is so I know who is who!

I also didnt intend my post to take anything away from Chuck…Just keeping it real!

Buster laid it out plain and simple. The level of competition that uFC champs face today, Dwarfs the level of comp champs like Hughes, Franklin, and Chuck fought in during their title reigns!

i’m with ya man, it’s gonna be a long time till we have another champ like chuck, most are getting more boring every time they step out, gsp is a man humper now, bj is a baby, andrson is the man but his last two speak for them self, rashad or lyoto (zzzzzz), and brock and mir just arn’t fedor. Chuck went out guns blazing only fitting thats how his career ends. i think his rockstar lifestyle is what sped up the aging process but 39 is pretty old for this sport. Randy is just a freak.

did ye guys see how out of it he was in the dana white blog, dana slapped him on the back after the fight and chuck walked into the cage!

randy’s just not human. He even hung in there with Brock! LOL at “Brock and Mir just aren’t Fedor”. That’s true in a way. The UFC needs to bring in more fighters into their HW division mix. An example could be Overeem. where is he anyway? Affliction-bound?

Overeem, he’s the strike force champ i thought, he’s gonna fight wendum (sp) and then grim rogers or possable randelmen if i heard right. randy and nog should both retier after they fight together, that is if brock beats mur other wise give em a shot at mir.

What did Rashad say that was so terrible? He said what everyone else was thinking, and he didn’t say it in a mean way. He said Chuck is a legend and a good person, but he thinks he should retire. What’s so terrible about that? I think you all are just Rashad haters in general, because those comments don’t seem out of line.

Seemed like Rashad was pretty sympathetic and real if you ask me. Why hate people are just keepin it real?

seriously, rashad is such a clown

Rashad was just being honest and i think he is concerned for Chuck. Why the agression. I think some of you guys missed his point. IMO Rashad seems like a humble champion and a nice guy. How can u bag him for celebrating after knocking out Chuck. I’m yet to see a fighter who knocks out an opponent then walks away like nothings happened? Look at Chucks celebrations.

Second that Rilly…these are just the same people that hate Rashad for “being cocky”(aka talking trash and showboating during fights like the majority of NBA and NFL players do).

A lot of people have said they didn’t think that punch Shogun landed was KO-worthy. I disagree. He caught Chuck flat-footed right on the jaw with a very hard punch.

Chuck’s head was stationary, thus he didn’t “roll” with the punch which negates much of a shot’s power. I’ve boxed a lot of guys and watched a lot of guys box in the gym, and I’ve seen tough hombres get dropped from lesser shots with big gloves.

Exactly matt!!! His lights go out so quick these days, he can’t be a factor. He is usually winning the fights before he goes off to never never land. He’s still technically a good fighter, but his chin is made of glass.

A chin appears to be a finite attribute? A body can realistically take so much wear and tear and I think the serious training and epic damage ages these guys pretty quickly.. unless they are subscribed to a Randy Couture fountain of youth regimen..

Hasn’t Wandy been traveling the same path with being ko’d recently? After the Crocop beating Wandy hasn’t quite been the same.

I don’t think the illegal shots to the back of Chuck’s head felt to good either.

If you rewatch the different Re-plays only 2 out of the 6 or 7 hammerfists hit the back of the head, which happens in these moments (fighter trying to move, etc), the perfect thing was that the rule is based on the “mohawk” right? Which Liddell conveniently had his head shaved into, I got into a big fight with one of my fellow viewers about this and luckily they did the multi angel replay right then and there, we all counted 2

plus the fight was already over before any of those landed.

BNF: Yeah, I noticed that Chuck’s face seems to look irritated when he was gettin’ pounded. He just ain’t used to gettin’ punished ‘coz he’s been dishin’ out punishment for a while without really gettin’ solidly hit.

Chuck’s boxing is painful to watch.. but he had success and a cool style for so long, but it just doesn’t work anymore.. footwork and defense is very important and he just don’t have it anymore

I just listened to Howard Davis.Jr in an interview and he had spoken to experts on brain anatomy and stuff, and they say that sometime when you get knocked out and you get a concussion you get scar tissue on the brain, and normally because of scar tissue on the brain you can’t take the same kinda punch..
so, anytime you get hit and see the flash of white light there’s always potential of getting scar tissue on the brain, which is essentially brain damage and the brain doesn’t take a punch as well..

that is not true,not everytime someone is KO they suffer a concussion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion_grading_systems

Yes, it is true. The Colorado Medical Society is the organization responsible for devising a system for rating concussions.

A third grade concussionn occurs when a subject has been knocked unconcious for several seconds. Lesser concussions occur from much lesser impacts, sometimes not even knocking the subject out.

So every time you are knocked unconscious you have suffered a relatively SEVERE concussion.

It is true Scott, everytime you get KO’d, you suffer from a concussive effect. Technically, it’s still a concussion.

It’s true,Chuck might have a medical condition ,something is wrong he declined at a record pace,he can not take a punch anymore.Think about it that punch would not have dropped anybody else in the UFC

But yeah I hope he gets KO by Machida too

Tito hasn’t won a fight in close to three years, and is coming off of back surgery and ring rust. He isn’t beating anyone worth mentioning for a while, if ever again.