UFC 97 recap and final thoughts
by MMAmania.com on Apr 19, 2009 1:09 AM EDT
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UFC 97: "Redemption" from the Bell Center in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, has come to a close.
And it was a record-setting performance for UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva, scoring his ninth straight win inside the Octagon with a unanimous decision win over Thales Leites in the main event of the evening.
That's right, "The Spider" was taken the distance for the for the first time in his career since 2004, which clearly did not sit well with the fans sitting ringside or on their couches at home. The 185-pound showdown turned out to be quite a chess match (that's being quite generous) with little to no real action for 25 minutes.
Silva didn't do much in the first two rounds against the Brazilian jiu-jitsu specialist, opting to keep his distance and stay out of harms way. But when he did attempt to engage, Leites did what most laymen and keyboard warriors would do and flopped to the canvas, looking to bait Silva into a ground match.
He didn't bite for a majority of the fight, but when he did hang with Leites on the ground he used the opportunity to lump him up. He couldn't seal the deal, however, when all was said and done and it went to the judges scorecards.
That is more than likely a tougher pill to swallow for everyone outside the Octagon tonight who wanted to see a devastating finish after the Patrick Cote debacle just last year.
It didn't happen.
And Silva in his post-fight remarks didn't seem to concerned about the perception, saying fans sometimes just don't get it. He's right, but that fight was just downright painful to watch ... maybe that's what happens when a title challenger gets his big chance with a finish over Drew McFedries.
In the co main event, Chuck Liddell, with his legendary career seemingly hanging in the balance, had his back up against the wall against Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, who many anointed the best fighter at 205 pounds not too long ago.
He just couldn't get it done.
"Shogun" found the button midway through the first round that has been his downfall of late with a straight left that put the "Iceman" on his back once again. He finished of the dazed 39-year-old fighter with a barrage of strikes for which Liddell had no answer.
That's now four losses in five attempts for the former world beater who "got caught" once again. He didn't announce his retirement in the post-fight interview, saying "he just didn't feel right." But his future as a mixed martial arts headliner is certainly in serious doubt.
This writer didn't really feel right seeing it go down the way it did because he is such a staple of the sport. It was a very sad scene. No one of his stature should be forced into retirement, which is how it appears to have unfolded.
However, perhaps that's the best thing for him right now.
He'll clearly have a good talk with his good friend and boss, UFC President Dana White, about what the future holds. But at this point it doesn't appear to be too rosy. The opposite can be said for Rua -- talk about a big win that more than likely silenced the many critics ... for now.
Shogun is back, maniacs. That's a good thing.
The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) alum, Krzysztof Soszynski, was up next against against' "The All American" Brian Stann -- who revealed before the fight that he had been training for essentially four straight months at Team Jackson.
Too bad he can't get any of that time back.
"The Polish Experiment" needed literally minutes to takedown the former Marine and sink-in a fight ending submission, which was a kimura that had Stann tapping almost immediately.
It was an impressive win for the Team Quest fighter in front on his hometown fans, putting him in a nice position moving forward. Stann's path, however, is not so certain now that he has tasted defeat for the second time in just as many fights.
Cheick Kongo was out to prove that he is indeed a top contender in the heavyweight division against Antoni Hardonk, as well as string together his third straight win inside the Octagon.
Mission accomplished.
The Parisian weathered an early storm in the first round from the Dutch kickboxer, who was pressing the action in the early going with his crisp stand up attack. Kongo eventually responded with some nice strikes of his own and changed it up with a takedown and solid ground and pound.
It was more of the same in the second round -- Kongo dropped Hardonk early and followed it up with punishing ground strikes, cutting Hardonk open under the left eye. From that point forward, Hardonk had no answer for the domination and the referee had no other choice but to step in and call a halt to the action.
Kongo scored a solid -- but not spectacular win -- that should get him back in the mix among the top dogs in the division later in 2009. He's certainly an imposing force that could once again stir some serious waves in the very near future.
Good luck, heavyweights.
Three-fight UFC veteran and knockout specialist, Luis Cane, tonight had the pleasure of putting the last man to hold the World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC) light heavyweight belt, Steve Cantwell, to the first big test of his career inside the Octagon.
And even though the "Robot" was game, he just didn't have enough to pull out a win against "Banha."
The action-packed fight never hit the canvas -- both gladiators traded leather for 15 straight minutes. Cane appeared to get the best of it in the first round and Cantwell rebounded in the second to make it close. However, Cane did what he had to do when in mattered most in the final frame, picking his spots and nailing Cantwell with several powerful strikes that found their marks.
In the end, Cane notched his third straight victory inside the eight-walled cage with a unanimous decision, handing Cantwell his first loss in five fights. It was a solid scrap, which Cantwell can chalk up to solid experience against one of the best in the division .... a status that Cane deserves now of he didn't have it already.
UFC 97 was a solid but certainly not spectacular show. But it was an entertaining night that has some huge implications moving forward. For complete "Redemption" results and blow-by-blow coverage click here.
We've said enough for one night, not it's time to hear your thoughts. What did you think?
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EARLY SUNDAY CONVERSATION****
This event was terrible! It had NOTHING to do with Silva. Leites will not be walking tomorrow morning, he was bloodied and battered! He had no reason to be in there with Silva (no one at 185 does) and I give him credit! The smart way Silva fights reminds me of Machida, neither one will be losing anytime soon! If you want highlight reel KO’s, you need to match him up against straight strikers (Leben/Franklin), if you want good technical game planning, set him up with an all around fighter.
Now to the rest of the PPV! I’m pissed! First fight, wiman fight and maybe one other…decision! all that does is take up space, if you have time to run an extra non televised fight, give us a good one! If the fight was decided on fixing your hair and looking at the clock, wiman took it!
I don’t care what anyone says, Kongo sucks. Always clinching and going for the take down…yet his ground game is non existent! He had full mount and laid on him!
Krystoph doesn’t interest me either.
I haven’t looked at the results, but I’d have much rather seen Quarry, Crow and prof. X.
Shogun looked good.
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*last thing**
anyone else notice Silva hug that crazy dude thats usually in his corner over in the crowd? I guess the 3 credential rule is universal, not just for certain guys, so in closing..
FUCK YOU LORETT HUNT!
by kevin on Apr 19, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
wasn’t all leites’ fault with it being a really terrible fight to watch it takes 2 to tangle. silva hardly engaged i bet u dana white cant wait for silva to be beat so they can have a decent MW champ again.
by ruan-fiy on Apr 19, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
ruan-fiy, your right about 2 to tangle…with that said the canadians have no class to chant GSP when he would be bloodied and batter’d the same way. I hope GSP gets his chance at The SPider, so we can see who is the best p4p. A.S. by face bashing.
by Cheating is Cheating. on Apr 19, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
terrible main event. It was quite eveident that Thales wasnt championship contender caliber. Anderson could have finished him about 20 different times in my opinion but chose not to. That was actually more pathetic than Leites falling to the ground 80 times. He needs to move to 205 or get Marquardt against him. If it werent for the Banha/Cantwell fight, this PPV would be a complete disaster, but was still pretty bad!
by c-war on Apr 19, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
i bet Chuck is happy the main event went down like it did. No one is gonna care that he got starched the way he did.
by NameNotRequired on Apr 19, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
the MOST CRAPPY MAIN EVENT match of the UFC!
talk about being aggressive. damn, thank god i just checked interenet sites for minute-by-minute fights, saving money on this shitty event!
i’ll put my GREENS on GSP if they’ll come up with such an event!
this UFC event SUCKED! would’ve just been great watching liddell get knocked out! holy moly!!! time for retirement…
by boardRIDER on Apr 19, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
anyone who thinks marquardt can hang with silva is a comeplete dumbass, nate has got to have to worst stand up i have ever seen, he has his hands over his nipples and drops sticks his chin out coming at you.. silva will murder that assclown, maia has a much better chance at a submission but i doubt he has a chin good enough to tackle the spider, gsp may be a great wrestler and beat bj by holding him down and dry humping him but it wouldn’t happen with a much bigger silva.. i say give him wandy if he beats rich, or hendo if he beats bisping..
anderson silva’s next fight will be at 205 in july for ufc 100
by randy murders on Apr 19, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Leites had no business being in there. Granted the first round in a half Anderson was not agressive, but the last 3 he tried to and every time he did Leites jumped to his back! What the hell was that about. I’ve never seen anyone avoid stand up with that tactic over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again! Wow i guess that is what happens when you have someone in the ring that doesn’t belong!
by Da Monkey on Apr 19, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I didnt get a chance to watch the Cane/Cantwell fight yet. Was it entertaining? HOw did Banha look?
by john on Apr 19, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Kongo looked better then many of you guys give him credit for. He was matched up against a very technical striker in Haredonk and I think Kongo performed well. nOthing to write home about, but not worthy of being Bashed! I actually like the fact that Kongo tries to go to the ground in his fights. it will help him become more well rounded, which is what he needs to do because there are a lot of top level wretslers at the top of the HW division. People train all types of skills in the gym, but often cant carry those skills over in a fight. I like the fact that Kongo is getting some ground work under his belt, inside the Octagon where it counts…this can only help him in the future. We all know he can stand n trade with any HW….Wrestling is his weak point, and I like the fact that he tries to test out his wrestling improvements during fights. He will be a better and more complete fighter for it in the future!
by john on Apr 19, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
1. To all those ripping Thales for playing to his strengths…you are dumb. You are the same kinda people who would call him an idiot if he was striking with Anderson and got knocked out.
2. Thales had a couple of chances when he got it to the ground early in the fight while they were still dry and didn’t push the issue enough. He should have gave him some intense GnP and hoped anderson gave him an arm while trying to defend. That was his big mistake.
3. I agree Anderson cannot be considered P4P king when he had 23 of 25 mins on the feet and still couldn’t finish him. I mean what the fuck was he doing punching his legs standing up!! He looked like he was trying to be fancy when the truth was he was scared to engage in case he got took down. Maybe he was getting handled by Jacare in training and thought a good BJJ specialist has his number and so avoided all grappling altercations for fear of being subbed.
4. Shogun IS back and this will give his confidence the boost it needed to prove himself once more. There are some very good matchups down the road for him. Anyone for Shogun vs Cane??
5. Goodbye Chuck…I do not wanna see you go the ways of the Shamrock. You are much better than that.
6. I told people Cantwell was tough and would put on a good fight and it shows this 22 year old kid has a bright future. I was screaming for him to throwdown in that 3rd round but a good fight for him anyway and proved he is a tough kid who can take a shot and hand it out too when he is in “the zone”.
7. Stann looked terrible and got exposed for his incomplete ground game. The main thing he should have been working on was Kimura defense. WTF was he thinking would happen in this fight!!
8. Wiman won R1 and R3 and should have won the fight.
by Ca$z on Apr 19, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Stann is a total JOKE!!! I mean, everyone knows that Kristof is primarily a striker who knows about 2 basic submissions: an armbar and a kimura….Stann had to know this during his training camp….how he could not be prepared to defend a kimura is a mystery in my eyes…
Stann better start taking mma serious and work on becoming more well rounded. His skill set or lack there of make me really pissed, especially when he is force fed down my throat ib the televised portion of the fight card. I mean, anyone with a basic submission game will be able to finish stann. Right now, his limited skill set makes me think he is more suited to be matched up against other tomato cans like Kimbop Slice!
I dont think he has any business trying to compete in the best division in the world….The UFC LHW division!
by john on Apr 19, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I won a lot of money last night which is probably why I am not complaining as much as you guys about the lackluster event that couldnt deliver up to its potential!
Anyone know how Kang n Professor X looked last night?
by john on Apr 19, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Kang,just out class your professor x!Really that was fun to watch!
by Alpha Male 360 on Apr 19, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i cant believe it i made a lot of money on the main card but lost it all on the under card fights and this card sucked which just makes me even more angry
in brief it was not silva’s fault that leites rolled on to his back every time anderson wanted to exchange
leites sucks
by ufcaddict on Apr 19, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Randy Murders, anyone who says Marquart has the worst stand-up they have seen is a dumbass. Anyone who thinks GSP made BJ quit by dry humping him is a dumbass and anyone who thinks Wandy’s RECKLESS style has a chance at Silva and GSP doesn’t is a dumbass. Wandy will get KOed as fast as Leben did. GSP has controled bigger WRESTLERS than Silva so he will be able to take him down and do DAMAGE (not dry hump). It’s not a matter of size as to whether someone will be able to hurt Anderson on the ground, it’s going to be someone who is good enough to pass the gaurd of BJ (and do damage). BJ has fought bigger guys than GSP and their size didn’t help them pass his gaurd.
by Gord on Apr 19, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean it not Silva’s fault? Since when is it a rule that the grappler has to fight the strikers fight? Is striking somehow more inportant in MMA than grappling? Silva avoided Leites’s game just as much as Leites avoided his. If Silva is so well rounded why can’t he take the fight anywhere he wants it?
by Gord on Apr 19, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Gord…I’m saying exactly the same thing. The problem is casual fans prefer to see a stand up war than a technical ground fight cos they may not understand all the subtle transitions and movements of BJJ which means Leites is the bad guy in most peoples eyes for wanting to fight to his strengths.
by Ca$z on Apr 19, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
it was boring except for the shogun fight, i am glad he won i bet the undercard was great too what where they thinking.i kinda of agree with you on kongo i never thought he was great and i don’t think he would beat any of the top guys.
by roy on Apr 19, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Silva did a big F$CK YOU to all the people bitching about his cote fight. Being the greatest means he can do whatever the f he wants. Also what did i say? Chucky got NyQuiled by Shogun. Kevin, you’re right about hyped up Kongo. I thought for sure that Hardonk would smash him.
by NameNotRequired on Apr 19, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I WAS WRONG ABOUT THE SHOGUN VS CHUCK FIGHT!
I mentioned in one post that I put money on Chuck, but I couldn’t be sure b/c I didn’t know who would show up. Well, Shogun showed up motivated and looked decent but it didn’t go long enough to see if his cardio was fixed and he wasn’t challenged enough for me take back my feeling that he may be overrated (I’m not saying he sucks. I neve r have. I just don’t think he’s top 5. We’ll see as time passes). Chuck made me very sad. He showed up looking older than I thought. I knew he didn’t have many fights left, but I didn’t think it would be such a rapid decline. That shot should not have lead to a TKO! He was moving backwards with the blow and it didn’t land square. Chuck, it’s time to retire.
On a positive note. Ed Herman saved me from losing money. Hurray for angry redheads. I do like the crow though and I wished they had given him a can for his first fight back.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Apr 19, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too! John- where ever you are…I was wrong, you were right- my bad!!!
I don’t feel as devastated as I was when Nog lost to Mir. Maybe it’s because the decline has been happening for a few fights. I wasn’t at all prepared to see Nog lose the way that he did. I picked Chuck to win tonight based on Shogun’s questionable conditioning and the fact that I really wanted for Chuck not to go out like that. I was still in a bit of denial. Another KO of Chuck is not what I wanted to see. For sure now there is no doubt, it is an end of an era.
Someone mentioned on the other thread that Chuck could still fight and it’s not totally over. It is over. I for one DO NOT want to see Chuck became some kind of gatekeeper. He is a legend. I cannot watch him become a lower tiered fighter just putsing around. And if he becomes “Shamrocked” I will puke! He deserves better. I want to see him go out as close to where he was as possible. I don’t want the Liddell/Silva epic 3 rounder to be too far away from our memories before he goes. I hope he does the right thing.
by DSmith on Apr 19, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
DSmith I totally agree with you. Chuck helped put the UFC on the map but he just needs to hang it up. He could open a few gyms like Randy has and be a good striking coach. That KO looked the same as his 2nd fight with Rampage. Backpedaling and gets caught right on the chin. I was more of a casual fan until I saw Chuck’s first fight with Tito. After that fight I was hooked. Chuck has done a lot for the sport and indeed is a legend. If he keeps on fighting and losing at this point he is going to tarnish his legacy.
by jimmy_dean on Apr 19, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Im right here baby! I promised you that Shogun would be back, and BOY did he deliver! I was inches away from being a PROPHET because if you remember I had actually called Shogun via leglock submission…He was Damn close! I just hope that I dont see the Shogun haters hoping back on his nuts, like Fickle fans always do! The Shogun War Wagon is for the fans that didnt give up on him during tough times. This is what I thought of the fight:
I was watching this event in a Bar, and I was texting PhilQNY and Kevin the entire time (sorry if I didnt answer you guys enough, I wasnt ignoring you guys, but my battery was really low). 1st thing I texted Phil and Kevin was about how damn Nervous Shogun looked while making his entrance. I had NEVER seen Shogun look like that and it worried me. Especially when Chuck came out with the eye of the tiger (I have never seen chuck look so intense). after seeing both fighters enterance, I have to be honest, I was really scared for shogun….Fight started, and shogun started picking up steam as the fight went on. Not only did Shogun KO the legend, but I think Shogun was really having his way with chuck the entire time! He ko’ed Liddell without even using his brutal G n P, or his world class Tai Clinch. I thought that Shogun looked great! I like the way he was moving around and his cardio already looked better. I know that the fight ended early, but shogun gassed really early in his previous 2 fights, so it was good to see. To me it looked like shogun was actually comfortable on his repaired knees, and it was great to see. shogun is back Baby! I cant wait to find out who they match him up against next! I hope that Shogun takes another fight RIGHT away! I dont want to see him take too much time off. I want to see him build on last nights win. When Rogan asked him who he wanted to face nEXT…I was praying that Shogun would say Forrest or the winner of Forrest/THiago….but I knew Shogun was a classy guy who never picks opponents, so I knew he wouldnt name any names.
aS for chuck….my love for Shogun makes it seem like I am not a Liddell fan, but thats not the case at all. I love Chuck. He kept the UFC on the map while PRIDE was the top organization, and I have to love and respect Chuck for that. Lets face it, not only is chuck aging at an alarming rate, but many of his opponents weren’t exactly the creme de la creme of the LHW division worldwide….Today the LHW division is just Ruthless, and its going to be hard for chuck to compete with the best of the best. chuck doesnt want to retire and shouldnt be forced to. if Dana forces him to stop fighting before he is ready, Chuck will be forced to jump ship and sign with Affliction or Strikeforce which would be really stupid on Dana’s part. YOU dont hand over the most popular fighter in America to growing organizations like Strikeforce and affliction….it would just be stupid on Dana’s part. I dont think Chuck is ready to stop fighting so Dana has 2 options:
1)Stop matching Chuck up against top 10 LHW’s. He should be matched up against B level fighters like Matt Hammil or Brandon Vera.
2) Force Chuck to leave the UFC and hand him over to the UFC’s growing competitors (bad idea if you ask me)…BUt I wouldnt mind seeing Chuck in other organizations being matched up against guys like: rogerio, Fejao, MOusassi, or Sokoudjou.
WAR RUA!
Mania: I cant wait till you post the post-fight press conferences!
by john on Apr 19, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
please post my work Mania. I dont have much time to chit chat on this site today, and I would like to get some feedback on my post, while I am around.
Thanks man!
by john on Apr 19, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
come on Mania…I made my Shogun post about 2 hours ago and its still not posted. I wont be around today, can you please post it ASAP so I can get a little feedback from everyone? thanks man!
by john on Apr 19, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
John, I was right there with you. After Shogun’s first takedown I was like “here comes the leg lock”. It was sad to see Chuck go out like that and agree he shouldn’t be forced into retirement but don’t want him to be a joke either.
I know you’d like Shogun to avenge his fight with Forrest but ’d like to see Shogun vs. Jardine. Jardine would be a good win to potentially jump right back up towards the top.
by PJJ on Apr 19, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
John,
You are silly! You can’t say Shogun is back from that fight. Chuck looked terrible! Shogun moved better, but he wasn’t tested at all. The Blow that put Chuck down wasn’t a KO blow for any LHW under the age of 35. Sorry, he’s still not top 5 in the UFC.
And this wasn’t a fight where I said it was a mismatach and that I was sure of the outcome. I’m still 16 for 16 on those.
And I’m proud of my Ed Herman pick ($ for me)
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Apr 19, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the PPV was a let down and instead of showing the “fight of the night” with Wiman Stout I wish they would’ve showed some fights finished. Bocek’s sub or Quarry’s KO. I am sure when producing the PPV they thought they needed to have them to fill the last hour because NO WAY does Silva go 5 rounds. So upset by Leites falling to his back constantly. You want to take the fight to the ground, go for a few takedowns. It worked well the one damn time you did it.
by PJJ on Apr 19, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Great post John. Shogun looked great and Chuck didn’t look bad either. Great fight. But I’m sure we will start seeing a bunch of Shogun fans start appearing like I posted a couple of weeks ago.
by Bluepit on Apr 19, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck looked awful. What fight were you watching?
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Apr 19, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If Chuck looked awful, it is because an improved Shogun made it so.
This Shogun performance reminded me of the Pride days, always on the attack.
John, I agree with you, when I saw Shogun enter the ring I was scared for him; he looked scared and Chuck looked driven.
I just hope Shogun keeps doing the right thing in his training camp; I doubt he is still back 100% to his old form; only a 3 round fight will eventually tell.
by Abelardo on Apr 19, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck went down to a punch that didn’t land cleanly on the jaw or temple. He is old.
I’m not saying Shogun isn’t back. I’m saying we can’t say that from this fight!
If he fights a top 5 LHW, he loses IMO. If he wins, it will be the most incorrect I have ever been and I will say so oh here. But we’re not there yet.
I’m a GSP nuthugger. When GSP beat Serra in the Rematch, I wasn’t like “he’s back!” B/C Serra couldn’t provide a test that could prove that. When dismantled Ftich, different story.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Apr 19, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
- I’m happy I didn’t pay for this one even though the streaming was terrible tonight.
- All of the Silva bashing is crazy to me. The degree to which this fight sucked is not entirely his fault. It just shows you how much Leites was outclassed in the fight. It reminded me of what Rogan said during the countdown show- “Anderson makes good mixed martial artist look like they don’t know what they are doing”. We’ve seen Silva against the top tier the UFC can offer at MW and those were great fights. Now as you move farther down the totem pole- this is the shit you’re gonna get. I say Silva/Marquardt 2, if you wanna see Bisping take a crack at it fine, but after that Silva needs to start fighting at 205 and see what’s there. All other fights at 185 are pointless and Silva’s star will begin to fall. He will lose his marketability. PPV’s will not be sold based on Anderson showing up anymore.
And finally this what I posted in response to one of the many people on the other thread saying that Anderson has lost the best p4p status based on the last 2 fights (which doesn’t make sense to me at all):
You would NOT consider him the best p4p because he has completely ran through all of the competition in his division until there is just nothing left for him to do? That’s a bit weird don’t you think? GSP still has some work to do at 170, BJ has ALOT to clear out at 155 and out of the bunch I would consider Fedor the biggest dodger of solid competition. You can’t fault a man for fighting until there is nothing left. If his name was Tito we’d still be waiting for Silva/Franklin 2.
by DSmith on Apr 19, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you dont care what anyone says but Kongo does not suck. He sucked against Marrero but thats it. Watch the Herring fight again and you might conclude Kongo got a lil robbed. He used his hands pretty damn effectively tonight AND nice kness to the theigh. DId you have alil play on Hardonk?
by naturalist on Apr 19, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a good event Anderson Silva cant be touched,The basic fan would disagree because they dont know what the hell goes on and just want to see a KO but This proved that Silva can Go 5 rnds with “top” contender and not even gas or get a scratch.Shogun may be back to his old ways time will tell.To bad Chuck had to go out like that.I am glad Herman and Quarry won,so much of You guys where calling me crazy for picking them.
Well I think 98 will be a sit out for me and I will buy 99 but we will see I always say that but ALWAYS end up buying it anyway.
Also the Wiman fight was bull…I had him winning the 1st and 3rd I really think they gave it to Stout via his home town ala Bisping/Hamil.
By the way I am going on record that Belcher will beat Akiyama’s cheating ass….let’s hear who call’s me on it.
I enjoy EVERY UFC.
by NM on Apr 19, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a good event Anderson Silva cant be touched,The basic fan would disagree because they dont know whta the hell goes on and just want to see a KO but This proved that Silva can Go 5 rnds with “top” contender and not even gas or get a scratch.Shogun may be back to his old ways time will tell.To bad Chuck had to go out like that.I am glad Herman and Quarry won,so much of You guys where calling me crazy for picking them.
Well I think 98 will be a sit out for me and I will buy 99 but we will see I always say that but ALWAYS end up buying it anyway.
Also the Wiman fight was bull…I had him winning the 1st and 3rd I really think they gave it to Stout via his home town ala Bisping/Hamil.
By the way I am going on record that Belcher will beat Akiyam’s cheating ass….let’s hear who call’s me on it.
I enjoy EVERY UFC.
by NM on Apr 19, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol dammit I thought I was the only one nah,sorry for the double post I went back to re read then accidently posted but it didnt show I reposted it better but the other one posted to.
by NM on Apr 19, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
your wack man….half that sh*t your sayin….not even close to the truth
by TheTruthhhh on Apr 19, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Way to recite Rogen Kev (have your own opinion), Silva looked f*cking brutal out there. Its like he lost his killer instinte. He has to much to lose now and hes fighting way to cautiously. Go out there and fucking bang man…. do what you do best. On another note im a huge Liddel fan and im f*cking pissed, Its hard seeing a killer past his prime and getting KTFO by bums.. ya i said it bums… Shogun is a bum NOW….Ya sure in PRIDE he ran shit dont get me wrong but this is the UFC and he’ll get rocked by Machida Evans Bones Page even Hamill…. i hope chuck retires dont pull a shamrock on us.
by BMO on Apr 19, 2009 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t reciting anyone, I watched the event smoking a cigar on my porch (through the window!) I got so sick of Goldie in the first fight I decided to take advantage of the first real warm night here. Guess from what you’re saying, Joe is a smart man!
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silva needs to vacate the title and move up. maia/silva would be the same as last night!
by kevin on Apr 19, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
The wiman fight was live. It wasn’t a filler fight. Get a clue
by Ethan on Apr 19, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
it was tough guy it was the 1st of on the undercard.
by ruan-fiy on Apr 19, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
oK guys: I picked the majority of last nights fights correct but I have to keep it real today. I picked Silva to win, but I spent months raving about what a true test Leites would present to Silva and I have to eat some crow for it. when I am wrong, I am always the 1st to admit it. I WAS WRONG!!!!!!
Lietes looked TERRIBLE!!! I better not hear people bashing Anderson for last nights performance. Its not easy to have an exciting fight when your opponent refuses to engage. Silva did the smart thing, he picked and chose his spots and taunted THales trying to get tHales to attack so Anderson could light him up with his world class counter punching….Problem is that tHales NEVER attacked. Anderson is Champion….I could care less if he stands in the center of the octagon for 25 minutes while waiting for his opponents to attack. Its the Challengers job to try and take the title and bring the fight to the Champion, and THales NEVER even tried. Anderson is a counter puncher! Thats his style, and the man shouldnt have to change his style because Fickle fans are blood thirsty and not entertained! Anderson came to fight last night…he just wasnt willing to compromise his gameplan for a challenger that was refusing to fight after all he is the champion. What THales did last night to me, wasnt much different then Kalib starnes running away for 15 minutes.
I am such a big fan of Leites but I Cant find any way that I can defend his performance last night. It was Terrible! Leites probably isnt going to be able to walk for a week or two. Anderson did his job last night….but Leites didnt want to fight! YOu really cant fault Anderson for what happened last night….No fighter can end every fight with a highlight reel KO….and considering his opponent refused to fight last night, I think it was a solid outing by the champion.
We all know that winner of Bisping vs. Hendo is probably next in line to fight Anderson….So I think NOw is the perfect opportunity to match up Leites against Maia!
by john on Apr 19, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
True that. Anderson is becomin’ more and more like his friend Lyoto. he’s turnin’ into that elusive striker. i guess that was what the arena fans were gettin’ all disgruntled about.I just don’t like the fans chantin’ bs bs!!
by Syd[a.k.a."The Negation"] on Apr 19, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
NO Maia!!! It will be the same boring chess match and I can’t stand to watch someone flop to their back every time a punch is thrown. Either give him Marquardt or say fuck the MW division and just start doing super fights at 205 or with GSP.
by subwayy2sallyy on Apr 19, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
what about wanderlei? now that he has moved to mw and anderson has dissed him and really po’ed wanderlei.
by Ultimate Fighter on Apr 19, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
they need to sign Vitor Belfort. Hell of a match
by elstiko on Apr 19, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think Vitor might be one of the only guys out there with the explosiveness and speed to even tag Silva.
by RobH86 on Apr 19, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, thank god Silva isn’t headlining the UFC 101 PPV I plan on going to in Philly… I don’t know what’s going on in his head… I’m shocked this is the same guy who beat Rich Franklin badly twice…
Anyone else here on the East Coast plan on going to Philly?
by JoePiervincenti on Apr 19, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
There is a whole bunch of people going. Go check kevin- I believe they have box seating for all of the maniacs. The number was close to 20 guys last time I heard.
by DSmith on Apr 19, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
JoePiervincenti:
We have a whole group of us meeting up in Philly for the event. We are getting a luxury box that seats 12….which includes free drinks and food, and the price is around $400 per person (which isnt bad for a UFC event). We still have about 4 or 5 seats available so if you or anyone else on this site is interested…Let me, Kevin, violentmike or PhilQny know!
by john on Apr 19, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
main event was pure shit! fell bad for liddell, cant believe that may be the last time i get to see the legend fight! enjoyed the cantwell and cane fight, nothing spectacular about the outcome though
by jslim on Apr 19, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
hate to say it, but the Strikeforce event last week blew this PPV away
by MikeZello on Apr 19, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Anderson Silve would die in the octadon with GSP
by BMO on Apr 19, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Silva loves wen people come at him and GSP wont back up that would b a perfect fight 4 him i wonder how much he will like silvas animal style. i would love 2 c the fight that is assuming gssp gets past alves… i think it will be a easy fight 4 him tho.
by Beast3000 on Apr 19, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope that fight NEVER happens, because GSP would get locked up for MURDER
by BMO on Apr 19, 2009 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Where was BJ and his cameras last night ?!?!? Silva after her enetered the octagon rubbed the Vas off his face several times and onto his chest and arms ……They all do it for fuck’s sake….
by BigPelly on Apr 19, 2009 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I noticed the exact same thing. He didn’t even try to hide it.
by CaptainAmerica on Apr 19, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Was wondering when someone would comment on this. Where is Dana White’s comment on this? As if the vaseline was going to help BJ’s face from beating up GSP’s elbows and knuckles.
by Jim on Apr 19, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Stitch also wiped a fighters face and then wiped his shoulders and back with the same part of the towel (I guess it’s ok to transfer vas as long as you don’t use your hands). The GSP fight was blown way out of proportion, this shit happens all the time.
by Gord on Apr 19, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson Silva Manages to put a capacity crowd and millions around the world to sleep. The first mass submission in history!
by Klubber Lang on Apr 19, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
anderson silva is a victim of his own greatenes. when he was becaming the best he realize he can destroy people without putting fimself in danger, that is only attaking by counterstriking. but hey other peolple, like cote and leites, notice that letting silva fight only by counterattaking is going to be suicidal and they did the same thing, that is: to fight only by counterattack. when two person fight in counter attack is going to be a very boring thing. to be an exciting fight you need at least one person fighting in couter and the other continously attaking. i think anderson have to take more responsability with with his reputation of being the great and with the money his doing and he have to fight not only by counterattack but taking the initiative also. that is why fighters like forrest and rampage put a great show, because they dont stick to counter only they also take the initiative when they think they can do damage. even machida take the initiative sometimes, for example see the fight with tiago silva. you cant only stick, moreover when you are the best and people expect that, to counterstrike, period. when your are a contender you have to take risks but also when you are consider the best. if not anderson is destined to be best boring fight ever.
by luis gutierrez on Apr 19, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Kevin 100%. This event sucked… the UFC was lucky this event was in Canada. If that shit happened in the US, Silva’s punckass wouldn’t have made it out of the ring. Americans do play that shit. Man, what the hell happened to badass MoFo’s who just put it all on the line. Shit, Tito Ortiz’s acting skills were more entertaining to watch that that BS.
by Max on Apr 20, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
such a terrible PPV….the GSP chants were amazing! meaning that when the UFC returns to canada, as long as GSP is a part of it, they will sell out again. anderson silva didnt look good either tonight. as bad as thales was, silva didnt do much to try and finish for 5 rounds.
by newfie on Apr 19, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Chants and spirit from Canada was great! Matchup wasn’t too great though, and Joe the comentator must be the worst ever! If it was in the US there wouldn’t have been any jibes about unappreciative fans – had they been chanting.
The worst fight ever is always better than listening to Rogan!
by Lolita on Apr 19, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree, shogun vs iceman was worth the price of admission alone, no disrtespect to the iceman is intended.
by Ultimate Fighter on Apr 19, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope Dana regrett griving Thales a titel shoot!
Worst titel fight i ever seen..
by Sockas on Apr 19, 2009 1:13 AM EDT reply actions
I think Dana is a little more concerned with Silva’s last 2 lacklusture performances. The fools that rushed in on Silva got KTFO,so you can’t expect fighters to keep repeating that. Silva is fighting not to lose and that is no way for a champ to fight no matter how you slice it. Cote blew his knee out in the first round and Leites was scared to engage. How can you not blame Silva for not finishing these 2 fights. One thing for sure, he better do more than that against GSP or Marquart or he will get KTFO.
by Gord on Apr 19, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That card was hard to watch. I want my money back.
by Josh H. on Apr 19, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
wft do you people expect Silva to do jump into Thales guard.Thales is the one who was dropping to his back. Chuck retire man please before you turn into Ken Shamrock
by SluggerCitySoldier on Apr 19, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions
Chuck vs Ken wouldn’t be as bad as Silva and Thales!!!
by Gweedo on Apr 19, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Silva could have finished the fight whenever he wanted standing but he didn’t. alot if it is his fault.
by Bill Maher on Apr 19, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes we as fans DO expect Silva to jump on him and pound on him. That is why money is paid to watch these fights. I have never seen Fedor pass up a chance like that. Or GSP for the matter. Tired of watching a showboat prance and preen. Leave that for boxing. If Silva is going to entertain fans and get their respect he needs to take some pages from true fight to the death fighters like Fedor,GSP,Vandy etc. The one time Silva was in a ground and pound situation it didnt look like he was having to many problems being there. All the good fighters in UFC. When are we going to see more of them on a card instead of the dog chow we are being fed.
by Jim on Apr 19, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If you watch anderson silva after he enters the ring before the fight takes place he takes both hands ,rubs his face and then rubs his whole upper body,!!!
by dana1409 on Apr 19, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions
dana1409 – yeah, what was that rubbing all about?
Silva needs some serious comp . . .or else I don’t him getting motivated. Who’s next in 185 division . . .
by Wild Wild West on Apr 19, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
good thing he wasnt fighting BJ….huh?
by SluggerCitySoldier on Apr 19, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
For all those banging on about Maia being the one who should be given a title shot, well this main event against Thales would be the exact blueprint against Maia. No action and a bloodied up and embarressed Maia.
Anderson will not be beat. For his last few remaining fights before retirement, UFC should do those superfights, GSP and whoever at 205 thinks they have a chance.
by UK_Chris on Apr 19, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions
well wanderlei is moving to 185, I personally don’t care what you think, it would make a great fight
by Ultimate Fighter on Apr 19, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT. A. Silva might be the best p4p fighter in the world but he doesn’t show it. He’s just like all the Brazilian soccer players (e.g. Ronaldo, not man.u, barca,inter,madrid,milan ronaldo) that stop caring once they get some money. I heard his trainer say he fought because he loved to fight and when he didnt have money it showed he only fought because he loved figting. FALSE. You love fighting if you have money and fame and you still want to fight. Silva needs to come out guns blazing next time.
by kukuxumusu on Apr 19, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions
OR WHAT exactly??? He’ll lose his job if he doesn’t come out guns blazing??? ridiculous statement
by Gweedo on Apr 19, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Ronaldinho too. Adriano. What the hell is wrong with those guys. Fat f**ks. Why can’t they be like Cafu and Kaka.
I really hope that isn’t happening to Anderson.
by RobH86 on Apr 19, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
kukuumusu…..you clearly are not intelligible when it comes to soccer – Ronaldo Luis Nazário de Lima was one of the greatest footballers of all time if not the best and is equal par with pele, maradona and Zidane. the reason he got overweight and slowed down was because he kept rupturing his knee. his first game back after getting surgery and months of rehab he did it again and if you knew the kind of strain that would put on your body and mind you would know it takes a hell of a lot to come back from it…yet Ronaldo did just that he worked his ass off, after 36 months of rehab he took part in the 2002 world cup and gained the golden boot..unbelievably he also won the european player of the year aswel. then playing for AC milan he destroyed his knee again and after 3 career ending injuries on the same knee a normal man would call it quits, hes virtually accomplished everything in soccer and yet still worked his ass off to come back from the dead and now he plays in Brazil for the corinthians and u think he is lazy…never say that again u dumbass!
SORRY GUYS 4 talking about soccer on an MMA website i just thought it neccessary!
by Randy for Couture on Apr 22, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I’m a big Anderson Silva fan, but after his last 2 fights, to say I’m disappointed is a big understatement. The reason why I was a fan was his style and aggressiveness. I can’t stand seeing him fight not to lose, instead of fighting to win.
If I wanted to watch fighters fighting not to lose, I will start watching boxing again.
Leites should be docked $1000 for every time he fell to the mat for no reason, but if they did that, he might owe Dana some money. That was one of the worst fights I have seen in MMA Ever! So disappointed.
by sawyer on Apr 19, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions
terrible.
the card wasn’t great to begin with…but i expected more.
too many canadian fighters that shouldn’t even be in the ufc at all.
by Katch22 on Apr 19, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions
LMAO – funny shit – hell yeah,,, add Jonathan Goulet to that bunch as well!!!!!
by Gweedo on Apr 19, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, and what the hell was Sam Stout doing second fight from the end?
by UK_Chris on Apr 19, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
thats not true at all you can say the same thing about american fighters aswell
by kingkong on Apr 19, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, don’t diss the Cdn’s man. It was the Brazilians that made this one boring…plus the only two fights that were worth watching, (other than Shogun) on the televised card were Cdn’s (Stout & Kristoph)
by brand0 on Apr 19, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, anderson is scared.. he and dana is way too pressured bwt his p4p marketing status act..lol if that guy loses and i know he will..dana will turn his eye on gsp and market him as the best…shogun did all of you a favor..u want a mad shogun? wait till 2-3 fights..jst pray he wont be back at top form bec. if he do..
r.i.p
rampage
machida
rashad
and it would be sweet to steamroll a scared silva if he goes up at LHW
by gaara on Apr 19, 2009 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Gaara my man! Watup? How’s Cebu? Well anyway, Machida would kill Shogun, IMO…
by Syd[a.k.a."The Negation"] on Apr 19, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, imagine that, they had a few Canadian fighters on a CANADIAN card. Hater!
by Gord on Apr 19, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
last time anderson is in the main event he will be a co-main eventer for now on also if anyone thimks Fador is not #1 P4P is a idiot and apparently Dana thinks for them
by Shadow side on Apr 19, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions
for the record it is Fedor that refuses to fight for UFC, why is that Dana’s problem? Sounds like it’s more your problem or Fedor’s problem than it is Dana’s
by Gweedo on Apr 19, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
it is not the point the best HWs are not in the UFC
by Shadow side on Apr 19, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
than go kiss Fedor’s ass until he signs and quit b*tchin about it…. like u wanting it is gonna make it happen…. WTF…
by Gweedo on Apr 19, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
OK no need for the insult I am not Kissing Fadors ass I am simply resitting a FACT ok Fador is #1PFP always had been
by Shadow side on Apr 19, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I blame Leites more than Silva for the lameness of the main event. Obviously Leites had only one plan, to bait Silva into a ground battle. Beyond that, he threw a few jabs, danced, ran away, or fell to the ground if Silva pushed the action. These tactics made it virtually impossible for Silva to increase the tempo or finish the fight. This rivals the last Sylvia/Arlovski fight as the worst main event ever.
As for Shogun/Liddell, I thought Chuck looked painfully slow, especially after just seeing the crisp striking displayed in the Cane/Cantwell fight. Chuck was a great champ, but the 205 division is a young man’s game. Shogun looked good for sure, but the stamina issue wasn’t put to test, and I’m not sure beating Chuck still qualifies as a first rate win. I hope to see Shogun back in the octagon quickly vs someone high in the food chain.
by CL on Apr 19, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Chuck has my respect but I do think it is time to hang em up for some reason I cant think of anyone shogun should fight next Rampage rematch possibly it seems everone is preoccupied as of now any ideas anyone
by Shadow side on Apr 19, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
tonight anderson cemented fedor as the pfp best fighter in the world .
“You have to consitantly fight the best in the world to be the pfp best.” Dana white
what about patrick cote and thales leites say best fighters in the world?
by mike22 on Apr 19, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP has fought and destroyed the top talents in his weight class more than any other current Title holder in any organization. he is the best P4P without any dought.
by salatious on Apr 19, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry but gsp has lost to serra and hughes in the last couple years.. if he puts together a couple more dominating perfomances than yes he has an argument, but not right now.
by mike22 on Apr 19, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah problem is anderson never lost to bullshit fighters like sera or fading matt so…… Anderson is better…by far. and if they ever meet gsps aggressive style plays perfect into counter punchers like anderson.
by mayhem_mike on Apr 19, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I am very disappointed with anderson’s performance and it is hard for me to express how much without swearing but, honestly, anderson get it together again dude.
by Ultimate Fighter on Apr 19, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
mike22,mayhem_mike,get your fact strait buddys!Gsp always did face top notch opponents,unlike Fedor and the spyder.when GSP lost to Hughes at UFC 50.Matt was the best welterweight in the world at that time.What make,people belived that BJ Penn is,one of the best p4p fighter is because he did beat Hughes at UFC 46 the same year!But Hughes beat Penn at UFC 63,so if Hughes was fading how in hell that he was able to stop Penn?Before GSP destroyed him at UFC 65.As for Serra,it could have been,because of a few reasons(personal or simply don’t take the fight seriously?)But Serra was no joke.1 he won the,ultimate fighter 4 2.He capitalize at the right moment to win the fight.After that fight,people put Matt Serra in the top 5 even some put him the best welterweight.So GSP did always face top guys even at the beginning of is career.For the other p4p,like Fedor,he as some fight with some cans in is career,even last fight when he caught arlovsky he had the 2 eyes shut,while punching.If that,would’nt have been of,that lucky shot,well that would have been a lost to Fedor.Just like,GSP got against Serra.The spider lost against chonan and okami.Bullshit lost,right!But a lost,against a lesser opponent who was’nt top 10 not even top 25 at the time.You get my drift.Every p4p fighter have some bullshit fight that,they lost just,like the,one Fedor lost.And to say that Anderson is the p4p king way before GSP or Fedor is plain stupid at my point of view.Fedor should be neck to neck whit GSP for the p4p king and the spider BJ and Torres should be a notch under.
by Alpha Male 360 on Apr 19, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
mayhem mike, Silva has lost to complete cans with records like 7-12. Get your facts straight. Mike22, not many people concider 5 years a couple and that was about the same time Silva was losing to fighters with more losses than wins. How about we forget about ancient history and look at there last few fights. GSP has been destroying the best out there and Silva has not looked so hot against fighters that wouldn’t even make it into title contention in the stacked WW division. GSP has consistantly fought the best fighters and after Alves not even the haters can have any doubt as to whether GSP is the best WW in the world or P4P for that matter, because there are still questions about Fedor (he has beaten UFC rejects {AA is legit}, but so has everyone eles) and even more with Silva not being able to pull the trigger lately.
by Gord on Apr 19, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
chuck got me into this sport but when he can longer take a punch sadly his time is up, silva is obviously bored!
by alex on Apr 19, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions
Not only can’t take a punch, but he can’t see them coming. His refexes have slowed down to a snails pace. In the replay you can see he didn’t even whince before he got hit.
by Gord on Apr 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
good thing i ordered boxing ppv of viloria and donaire it was cheap and it was such an exciting fight.all action..yeah anderson fight was waaayyyy booooring
by robot on Apr 19, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions
Robot, where you from? I also watched their fights. It’s free here though, Fliplanders get their boxing and UFCs for free!! It’s a free country isn’t it?
by Syd[a.k.a."The Negation"] on Apr 19, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
about half way through the fight I started wanting thales to knock anderson out… that would wake his lazy azz up
by mike22 on Apr 19, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions
LOL – that would have been a shocker – the KO Shogun gave Chuck should have been saved for Thales to KO Silva instead
by Gweedo on Apr 19, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
even though he lost, cantwell has promise
liddell looked tentative from the outset…his punches were slow and appeared to have very little power
stann is exposed for being a tough guy, but in no way a upper teir mixed martial artist
anderson did not look like himself…smaller than normal…his striking lacked the power that we’ve come accustomed to…he really didn’t resemble the fighter who destroyed franklin, henderson, marquardt, and leben. i get the feeling people will try to sell the idea that he was fighting a smart fight against a dangerous bjj fighter…
in my opinion, a lucklaster show…and i was pumped for this one
by WADZ on Apr 19, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions
I thought Liddell looked really slow as well. Very sluggish. Props to Shogun.
I thought Matt Wiman got robbed. I had him winning the 1 and 3 rounds. But whatever man.
Really disappointed in Silva. My opinion differs from some others.
I did pick a Leites upset. Damn I feel dumb. But there is NO excuse for Anderson to not have finished that fight. Once he saw that Thales wouldn’t even throw a punch, he should/could have finished him on his feet. Once Anderson got top position on the ground, and opened up, Thales covered up like a bitch. Those few punches bloodied up his nose and eye. Anderson could have finished it then. IMO, BOTH were waiting for a decision.
I do not think Anderson is the best P4P fighter anymore. Once shiddy performance, ok I’ll give that to you. Two in a row? Not a chance. I think it goes Fedor, GSP, BJ, Anderson. At least BJ tried to fight back in a loss.
If the GSP fight happens, then great, go GSP. But I really think Anderson should permenantly move to 205, where guys like Rampage, Rashad, Vera, and even Forrest would not be too scared to strike with him. EVERYONE at 185 is SCARED of Silva, and doesn’t fight. But its also Silva’s fault for not exploiting that weakness and killing everyone in front of him!
Very frustrating night for an event I was the most excited to see.
by Synyster on Apr 19, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on man,BJ better then A.Silva please Synyster.IMO Silva is fine and should stay at 185 i hate when Champs move up/down in weight it’s so f*king dumb you are the champ in that weight for a reason.I think SIlva still has Maia,Marquardt,Okami and Wandy IF he gets past Franklin which I think he AINT!!!!On record buddy’s Franklin over Wandy,Belcher over Akiyama and Mir over Lesnar.
Remember this Synyster.
by NM on Apr 19, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, wandy and franklin is at a catch weight of 195, but, wandy at 185 against anderson is up in the air otherwise wandy wounldn’t waste his time.
by Ultimate Fighter on Apr 19, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I had a response full of bad words, so it didn’t post.
But I agree with all 3 of your future picks.
Irrelevant, but Hughes or Serra?
by Synyster on Apr 19, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit give me something to work with Synyster Lol we cant agree on it wheres the fun,by the way I think I did better then you waht do you think lol?
I will say…….Serra,I know you are Hughes but I Think Serra will take it.
I also got Evans over Machida,Gsp over Alves,Florian over Penn and Couture over Big Nog.
by NM on Apr 19, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Cantwell may look to 185. Stann,Al-Hassan and Cane looked to be 10-15lbs heavier. And yes he most definately shows promise.
by Vulcano on Apr 19, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
well at least we now have an answer to how the WEC champions would fair in the UFC. Kampman top 5 at 170 maybe. cane definitely not top five yet at 205 and they both beat the best WEC had to offer.
oH and I almost forgot Stann former WEC champ getting submitted by a tuff contestant who didnt even make it to the finals
by dia mette on Apr 19, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
changing weights back and forth f***s with a fighter also – is it safe to say he hasn’t looked right since moving back down to 185lbs after beating Irvin???
I’d say so…
by Gweedo on Apr 19, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions
Hmmmm…Interesting point. He was visibly way smaller last night than against Irvin.
by RobH86 on Apr 19, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe going back to 185 messed him up but I don’t think so. Perhaps though.
by RobH86 on Apr 19, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The main event of UFC 97 was one of the worst match in UFC history. And it also proved one thing to everyone. Anderson Silva is NOT the P4P best fighter in the world. Fedor is 1000 times better than him. The difference between Fedor and Anderson is simple. Silva goes the distance against weak opponents and can’t finish them. And Fedor, he smashes opponents and finish them very quickly, good or weak. Fuck what Dana White says, that’s 2 match in a row that Anderson fought that was so boring. Fedor is the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by da_hustla on Apr 19, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions
Feel sorry for Canadians in Montreal who paid $$$ to watch Anderson Silva doing kick practices.
by SnoozeFest 97 on Apr 19, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Also happy to see Shougun in top form I thought made he would TKO him but not KO him hope to see shougun fight agin soon
by Shadow side on Apr 19, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions
War Ferdor.
Leities is now one of my least favorite fighters. He threw like 10 punches in 5 rounds but fell to his back 20 times. More falling than punching means you fail and I want my money back.
On the plus side Shoguns back. Of and undercard was pretty boring if those were the fights they showed the others must have been awful, still show them and skip all the terrible advertisements.
I hate Thales, sorry come to fight or change your profession.
by scissorfight on Apr 19, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions
just like “Wandy was back!!” after Jardine fight ;)
by Lights Out on Apr 19, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. This fight didn’t answer any questions about his cardio. Lets see how he does in his next bout. That is back to back wins for him regardless. I hope he makes waves in the 205 division. I feel bad for Chuck but it seems to be over for him. Then again, this could have been the best Shogun that we have seen yet. We don’t really know for sure. Sucked to see Chuck go down but props to Shogun.
by RyanHobbs on Apr 19, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, nothing was answered about his cardio. Too early to say he’s back, Chuck’s clearly no longer top tier.
by attakdog on Apr 19, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Worst main event ever? Close but did anybody order UFC 61? Arlovski Sylvia 3, biggest main event stinker ever!!
by ufc invasion on Apr 19, 2009 1:30 AM EDT reply actions
Worst main event has to go to Monson v Sylvia… but this was close.
by scissorfight on Apr 19, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah that sucked big time. Last night was pretty bad too. If you wiped the Shogun fight off the fight you’d have the worst card in years.
by RobH86 on Apr 19, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol…He looked like Raab Himself from Jackass. Anyone agree?
by RobH86 on Apr 19, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never been a huge Chuck Liddell fan but I felt for him. I really wanted to see him win but he just couldn’t do anything. It’s sad to see a champion like him at the end of his career. Chuck…God Bless and thanks for everything.
by knowone on Apr 19, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions
Rogan is the worst commentator ever!! All of the fights were much better than listening to him!!
by Lolita on Apr 19, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions
Terrible Main Event!! i was the only one in my bar saying Rua was going to dominate. I cant believe 18 out of 20 fighters chose lidell to KO Rua. Dude has an Iron Chin. Its good to see Rua ALMOST back. I would not want to fight him when he is healthy!
by Javster on Apr 19, 2009 1:39 AM EDT reply actions
agreed, I might be same weight but would rather fight liddell than rua, no disrespect to liddell intended
by Ultimate Fighter on Apr 19, 2009 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Love UFC, but must say and admit this was a joke
STRIKEFORCE was way better with their las PPV
so I hope UFC steps it up and shows some real MMA.
UFC, you guys owes us ONE BIG ONE!!!!
by tripleleo on Apr 19, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions
Fight of the night: Silva vs Leites!!
Knockout of the night: Fans!
Submission of the night: PPV Subscribers (forced to watch that crap, and not being able to change the channel because they paid for it)
Thats why I went to a local bar and paid $5.. I still want that back!
by DirtbagHtr on Apr 19, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions
The p4p king fighting not to lose? Content to kick at a knee for 3 rounds? I recall that dummy Jacare quoted as saying a sub by Leites was completely wrong so why was Anderson so hesitant? If a sub was such a stupid prediction than pound his face in!!!!Didn’t pull the trigger on the feet or on the ground. Anderson’s marketability takes another dive. And Thales pulled a Dennis Hallman on us. Go for an ankle or flop to your back. He’ll be flopping his way to the prelims no doubt.
by Vulcano on Apr 19, 2009 1:42 AM EDT reply actions
anderson is over rated, he never had a good competition in his class (except franklin and handerson)
by whatwhat on Apr 19, 2009 1:47 AM EDT reply actions
Marquart? Thales is a great fighter too. It’s just hard to really realize that being as Anderson is so great. These guys both had game plans as counterstrikers. They wanted to stick to those. You may say that Anderson couldn’t finish Thales, but did you see Thales EVER give Anderson any trouble? Nope. Thales is a top middleweight and didn’t give Anderson any trouble at all. Just because it wasn’t eventful, Anderson is overrated? Yeah. Sure thing.
by RyanHobbs on Apr 19, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
canadian fans > ohio fans > everyone else. sorry about your luck. if you knew your UFC history you would know why so many of those dudes were in there. otherwise. you should show up watching the other UFC events when they try and throw local fighters in, or whatever they can, or you should just turn the oven on high, get in, and shut the door. either way, you sister likes me.
ps – silva is a hero. but very bored, and please just finish guys, you are not bruce lee/a cartoon. liddell is a born fighter and will be missed. should not have let shogun up ever. GSP was the big marquis fighter who buckled mentally, but in the long run that humbling will give him the tools to take silva and to never disappoint in a fight ever again. book it.
by Hardcase on Apr 19, 2009 1:48 AM EDT reply actions
Cut Leites like they cut Starnes.. Afraid the engage and mix it up.
In Silva’s defense, there is really no one in the MW Div. To make it fair, make it a handicap match, 2 on 1. He should just move up to LHW and wipe everyone out there too.
by DirtbagHtr on Apr 19, 2009 1:48 AM EDT reply actions
Don’t know what to say anymore about Spider. Either he’s really bored or just lost passion.
by Lights Out on Apr 19, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions
any updates on okami? that would’ve been a better fight for silva.
by remedy on Apr 19, 2009 1:51 AM EDT reply actions
unbelievably dismal performance form Anderson but here’s the most important statist:
Date placed:
Apr 08, 2009 7:53p
Date settled:
Apr 18, 2009 9:51p
9 Team Parlay 139294363 Outcome: Win
I fucking hit a 9 team parlay!
I only put 5 bucks on that bey but still it’s a personal best.
I wasn’t going to put Shogun in anything till I read Holland and Performify and they convinced me to use him. Hope everyone else did ok tonight.
by naturalist on Apr 19, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions
what’s with Silva greasing his body? does he do that against all bjj fighters? and what happened to Loiseau? does this mean he’s out of the ufc again? and i thought Wiman should have won; gave him rd 1 and rd 3.
by cokido on Apr 19, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions
silva is a punk a coward and is scared to get hit if he is the best p4p why is he trying to not loose anyone who walks around at 220 and cuts weight to beat up smaller guys is a punk i got his number hey anderson step in to 205 and try to run for 5 rounds see how that works out for you hope he gets knocked out cold in his next fight besides hendo and franklyn all he beat is bums and hand picked fights t.leites get the f$%%% out of here whoes next
by dddddddddd on Apr 19, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
What happened to David Loiseau ? I told you so. Herman is a tough sunsabitch! You haters need to fess up…He will always come prepared and bring game. Nice to see him dominate an excellent fighter like Loiseau, (30 to 26) in one judges opinion, and in an extremely biased environment.. without injury didn’t hurt his cause. He belongs in the UFC and at 28yrs of age as his game is ever improving. Good job “SHORTFUSE” !
by Jimbo on Apr 19, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions
SHOGUN IS BACK!!!
This UFC was horrible. Have to admit STRIKEFORCE was much better. Still Love UFC but need to step it up or else not going to waste more money any more… Chuck, it’s time and wasn’t impressed with Kongo…
by tripleleo on Apr 19, 2009 2:08 AM EDT reply actions
thats why dana needs to sign fedor the only real pound for pound best he delivers every fight!!!! the spider vs wanderlai would be nice.. jon jones vs the spider would even be better exact same style of fightin my point is i agree with some of the comments above there is no point of anderson fightin in the 185 division anymore he ran through it n if he wants to be considered the pound for pound best he needs to fight n beat the whose who in mma and non of them are in the 185 division unless vitor belfort signed with the ufc all of the big names are in the 205!!!!! shogun is one fight away from a title shot what about a rematch with forrest or even a match up with thiago silva… or i mean i feel bad that basicly the ufc uses him as a steppin stone but keith jardine!? n cheick kongo needs to fight steve carwin n winner gets lesnar/mir
by ftb21 on Apr 19, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions
Wiman should have won… don’t know how he didn’t???!!!
not impressed by the Spider, but there is nobody else in
that division… Move up and step it up or just stop acting stupid and QUIT!!!!! WE NEED ACTION..
by tripleleo on Apr 19, 2009 2:14 AM EDT reply actions
Anderson Silva proved he sucks. Hang him in public as we all clap!
by Mr. Vince McMahon on Apr 19, 2009 2:23 AM EDT reply actions
You’re right. Any man could toy with Thales and hit him with strikes for 5 entire rounds and not be in any trouble the entire time. Wait. I can’t think of ANYONE that could handle it like Anderson did. Thales was literally falling on his back to avoid Andersons striking game.
by RyanHobbs on Apr 19, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP can beat Silva. Silva has been taken down by Hendo and Leites now and neither of those guys has the kind of explosive take down power that Georges has. This time last year it was a fight I didn’t want to see. But I’m up for it after these last two showings from Silva. He’d still have big advantages going in, but GSP can definitely beat him. It’s possible and that’s exciting. Hope that fight happens.
by David on Apr 19, 2009 2:27 AM EDT reply actions
It’s not the takedown power that of opponents that’s an issue, it’s holding Silva down, he’s great at defending and getting up…. IMO GSP has the best takedowns n GnP in the UFC… However, Silva would eat GSP alive in the standup… I think they’re both even in cardio… but I have to give the edge to Silva because he’s just bigger than GSP. I actually want to see Silva fight at 205lbs. GSP should stay at 170’s.
by DAVE A on Apr 19, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
“GSP should stay at 170” and fight WHO? Should he start fighting up and coming “tough” opponents, because after Alves there is no one left. Also GSP is getting near his physical prime and that is when it is the easiest to add muscle. He already stated he is getting bigger and he won’t be able to make WW much longer. GSP thrives off of challenge and there certainly isn’t anyone left to challenge him at WW. It’s inevitable that GSP will soon be a MW fighter.
by Gord on Apr 19, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This ufc sucked ass…..leites should never fight again in the UFC after this fight………..i had to stop and fight some guy on the way home from watching the fight just to be happy for the night…LOL Definitely not the best fight of Silva’s career
by Mitchell on Apr 19, 2009 2:28 AM EDT reply actions
the way leites was backing up/falling over ect reminds me of the starnes fight, man that fight sucked, worst one i have ever watched and ive been getting every ppv for a few yrs. Dissapointing
by markg on Apr 19, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions
I get most ppv. First time posting but this card turned out to be terrible. Watching a legend go out that way is depressing. Everyone says silva’s fight was like a chess match, when it was more like checkers with two guys not wanting to move there chips from the back row. I mean really what good is a champion that can only win at his own game. Take a page from liddel he was a counter striker, but when people wouldn’t play into it he didn’t hesitate to go after them. Yeah, he was defeated in that way “a few times now” but there is alot of pride and respect from fans that comes with it. The only thing out of this card that was exciting was seeing how strong of chin Stout had, and that wasn’t even going to be broadcast.
by UFC Fan on Apr 19, 2009 2:51 AM EDT reply actions
Bye, Chuckie. Maybe you can milk it in pro wrestling…it was sad.
by TJ on Apr 19, 2009 2:57 AM EDT reply actions
shitty event for sure Im just waiting for Randy couture to fight nogiera thats when ill be pumped up again
by dia mette on Apr 19, 2009 3:02 AM EDT reply actions
Chuck fans where you at?? what happen to all you who said “Shogun is getting KTFO” blah blah….. now whats the excuse?? Huh?? What??
WAR SHOGUN!!
by Gina's triangle chokes dummy :) on Apr 19, 2009 3:09 AM EDT reply actions
Chuck-SHogun was a great!
If this was Pride . . Leites would have been yellow ticketed three times and lost the fight early.
Blaming Anderson Silva for this fight is really kind of ignorant. Leites obviously had no answer for Silva’s stand-up game. Anybody expecting a fighter to go in and steamroll through every opponent really need to watch Wanderlei Silva’s last 3 fights. Crowd pleasing fights with mixed results.
Did you see Yushin Okami’s last fight? Are you going to blame Okami for his opponent’s action?
Think.
by VEe on Apr 19, 2009 3:09 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah maybe they should bring in those cards or take a point or something. I don’t know. It was unfortunate that things worked out the way they did.
by RobH86 on Apr 19, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I would not call it ignorance. Just more hoping that Sivla would stop being a clown and turn into a fighter again. After all he does have the tools for ground and pound. The one time he had Leites on his back looked like he had a great opportunity to do a lot of heavy damage. So he lets him back up to bore us again.Be a fighting champ like Fedor and just get them out of there as fast as you can however you have to do it. THAT is when we will respect Anderson Silva in the same way we respect Fedor.
It would be nice for the UFC to have those yellow cards AND lack of performance deductions taken from there purses like in Pride. And why are all of these good fighters in the UFC not fighting more? These guys are used to fighting at least 3 to 5 times a year yet we see them once or twice a year. Why? We as fans want and desreve to see better cards than this.
by Jim on Apr 19, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
not fun seeing my 2 fav fighters fight
but im glad shogun came out awesome
he never left
and like i thought many would jump on his s..t if he did good
lets see a forrest rematch now
thales lost all my respect silva fought his fight
if ppl bash silva f..k em thales shoulda kept him down, but he couldnt do that at all nothing
im hoping bisping wins, he might put on ok show for silva
by phenomenal angel on Apr 19, 2009 3:31 AM EDT reply actions
I awlays like roegen and goldie together but they gatta get a third member regularly it could be a different fighter each time it doesnt matter I liked rashads input last event get florian in there spice up the broadcast a little
I never really had a problem or payed attention to much to golbergs dumb comments but tonights stupidy was to much, calling cung le one of the greatest in the sport was deplorable a guy who has not even proven himself yet who’s like 3-0, a guy whos only significat win was to f shamrok who has now been exposed. that just kinda pissed me off
cung le is a f**king joke who would get eaten alive by mid tier fighters in the ufc he should stick to movies that no one will watch I hope they serve him up to diaz or lawler soon
goldie please think about what you say before you say it
oh and another one that kinda got under my skin roegen was talking about how evans and machida have a close eye on the L cane fight tonight because hes starting to move up the LHW ladder as soon as he got done saying something along those lines goldie says amen
by dia mette on Apr 19, 2009 3:42 AM EDT reply actions
Silva did not want to engage on the ground.
Thales did not want to engage in the standup.
Makes for a crappy fight, but can’t really fault them because I wouldn’t want to be on the mat with Leites or standing with Silva.
Shogun is back and better than ever!
by Mike&Ike on Apr 19, 2009 4:47 AM EDT reply actions
People enjoy the standup game, especially casual fans, but Silva is equally at fault for not going to the ground, especially when given dominant position… he should have jumped on Leites (with caution) and tried to finish the fight. Leites seemed very tentative to throw at all, which was a little surprising, I thought he would at least take a chance.
Seems like he took a page out of Rampage’s book and decided to wait it out until Silva (Chuck in Rampage’s case) got frustrated and went in, in order to counter. I hope Marquart is given a 2nd chance before anyone… Maia may have the same trouble Leites did, his standup is far worse from what I’ve seen.
Kongo looked ok. Hope he gets a top guy next.
by Mike&Ike on Apr 19, 2009 4:52 AM EDT reply actions
thales was more shot than i imagine… silva did verry well.. it was thales who should of lost his match because of lack of fighting
by Arubian on Apr 19, 2009 4:59 AM EDT reply actions
Forgive me since I haven’t read every comment posted here, but am I the only person who thought Wiman got robbed by the judges in his fight against Stout? I felt that was somewhat Bisping/Hammill-esque, more or less. I thought Wiman was the winner in rounds 1 and 3. What say y’all?
by Clint on Apr 19, 2009 5:25 AM EDT reply actions
I wasn’t paying much attention to the 1st round coz I was still too pumped from Shogun’s victory and was texting my brother :)
But I noticed Wiman looked convinced he had won. One thing I did not like though, and they probably didn’t show that on TV, he stormed running out of the ring after the winner was announced, he pushed a security guard and a random dude in the public (neither of which were on his path); not very classy.
by Abelardo on Apr 19, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if Silva is still upset that he couldn’t box that dude so he is protesting in a way.
by Ognitinoc on Apr 19, 2009 7:02 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t think he is protesting.He defended his game plan on the post-fight press conference.
I was there. I was not happy with the fight either, but I cannot blame it all on Anderson, yeah he played it safe, but Leites would not engage at all.
BTW, Liddell made points with me for stepping up and defend Anderson on the post-fight press conference.
Happy to see “Shogun from Japan” back. WAR SHOGUN!
by Abelardo on Apr 19, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
am i the only one that noticed A Silva spread the VASELINE all around his face/chest/arms in front of EVERYONE .. i wonder if ‘Cry’ ‘Baby’ ‘J’ ‘The Fraudigy’ .. saw it?
by bDavid on Apr 19, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions
yea i noticed that, pisses me off more than his performance. shows he really doesnt care about anything than a w
by connor on Apr 19, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone honestly believe that Thales Leites was even deserving of a title shot. They keep throwing these guys in front of him that are way out of his league. Now he will move up and fight another 205 bottom feeder like Irvin. It will probably be Bonnar. Sign Vitor he is on a roll.
No one wants to see another fight with Marquardt.
by elstiko on Apr 19, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions
“No one wants to see another fight with Marquardt.”
At least not yet. Put him in with a top dog first and see how he handles that. They should let Silva have a couple super fights at 205 while 185 has time to sort out a decent #1 contender for him: one who is a clear cut #1 contender. I don’t think anyone will mind putting the title on hold as much as they do with other divisions.
by Joe Smith on Apr 19, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I would LOVE to see another Silva/Marquardt fight! Nate’s improved dramatically since their last fight!
by ducknow on Apr 19, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too, Nate is the aggressive one now that is KOing guys and Silva is the one afraid to pull the trigger. It used to be the opposite.
by Gord on Apr 19, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva is not a true champion – instead of fighting to win, he is fighting not to lose. His last two fights have been boring… I hope GSP destroys him and he retires.
by biggenutz on Apr 19, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions
I wasn’t sure if GSP would be able to beat Silva. However, after last night I am completely convinced that he can. Silva has displayed a problem common to aging fighters; the inability to pull the trigger. GSP would have eaten him alive last night at 170 or 185. Silva is ready for the taking. I thought it was just an off night with Cote. But now I believe he’s just past his peak and is on the down side off his career.
by Rich on Apr 19, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
i think he’s a great champion, that fight was a good fight
by ja434650 on Apr 19, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Worked a while for Tim “The Turtle” Sylvia
by Ognitinoc on Apr 19, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
LOOK THIS IS REALLY DUMB OH JUST ANDERSON CAUSE HE HAS TOO BAD FIGHTS HE A BAD CHAMPION OH COME ON LOOK THIS IMO WAS ALL CAUSE OF Thales Leites DUDE HE A PIECE OF CRAP . WHO JUMPS ALRIGHT I UNDERSTAND SIVLA WASN`T GOING FOR HIM FIRST TOO ROUNDS BUT COME WHAT WAS THE JUMPING EVERY TIME HE THREW A PUNCH CRAP .ANDERSON IS A GREAT CHAMP EVERYONE WELL HAVE A BORING FIGHT SOONER OR LATER .OH BUT NO WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT GSP .THAT FIGHT WITH FITCH WAS BORING IT WAS FITCH GETTING BOMB FOR 5 ROUNDS SERLIOUSY .CAN`T WAIT TELL ANDERSON COMES BACK AND PROVES ALL YOU HATERS WRONG
by tz swanger on Apr 19, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions
The GSP/Fitch fight wasn’t even close to the boring that the Leites/Silva fight was cuz GSP engaged Fitch for 5 rounds beating the sh*t outta him.
by not a silva nuthugger on Apr 19, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I was very disappointed with the main event. I wasn’t angry with Silva, because he likes to feel his oppenents out in the first little bit before he does strike. It was a horrible fight because of Leites. I think Silva had way to much power and Leites probably didn’t realize that he had that much. So he understood that he wasn’t going to be able to out power Silva, so he would jump down to the ground before he got knocked out. I also feel really bad about Liddell, he is one of my favorites and almost everyone elses, but I do think it’s time for him to maybe give it up. Rua looked good, but that was the first fight I saw of his. Kongo is decent, but he can’t hang with the other heavyweights now.
by E. Fairway on Apr 19, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions
thank you E. Fairway this wasn`t anderson fault he a true champion oh one fight and now he sucks no he still the best in the world .
by tz swanger on Apr 19, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
That main event was horrible. Anderson’s not the most marketable fighter as it is, but with his last two fights it must have taken a massive nose dive. He has to move up to 205 now surely for any competition? Who’s going to pay money to watch him prance round the octagon like a peacock for 25 minutes against Okami or Bizbing? The only threat at that weight is Maia, but if he cant secure any kind of takedown, that fight has the potential to be a carbon copy of last nights crap.
by attakdog on Apr 19, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions
did anyone else notice silva greasing? right before the fight starts he wipes his face off and rubs his hands on his chest and arms
by connor on Apr 19, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
I can’t believe the Canadian Fans boo’ed that fight. It was exciting to me…Anderson was very creative, and very technical…definately fun to watch. I understand the fans were drunk and weren’t looking for technical fighting but what could GSP give you that Anderson can’t?
by ja434650 on Apr 19, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
not really, i would say anderson’s the better finisher
by ja434650 on Apr 19, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It really wasn’t boring, that was fun to watch in my opinion. It was a very technical fight which is exactly what I like to see. I don’t know what kind of true MMA fan doesn’t like to see a good technical fight with smooth and creative executions.
by ja434650 on Apr 19, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re clearly in the minority here if you found that remotely entertaining and I think it’s you who isn’t the “true mma fan”.
by attakdog on Apr 20, 2009 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions
“but what could GSP give you that Anderson can’t?” Hello! GSP doesn’t have a weakness where he is afraid to engage if the fight isn’t going his way. If GSP’s opponent jumps to the ground, GSP jumps on top and tries to finish. GSP doesn’t have boring fights.
by Gord on Apr 19, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
ok..now that the spider has shot himself off the list of fighters that i am excited to see..i am finally gonna say it..even though it has been said before..i can now see gsp dropping him..if silva came out in his former style and kicked ass like he used to i would still think he was the man..but what the f*ck was that?? sure he was givin an opponent that was not up to par..so kick his head off and end it..the whole fight was so weird..the main event was so lack luster..so reminded me of the tim silva sh*t main event..ugh
by sarah on Apr 19, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
When the UFC first announced the Siva/Leites match I was totally against it. The reason being was that I thought Silva would KO Leites in the first round. Not because I thought it would go the full 5 rounds in a complete snooze fest. After Silva’s performance my $ is on GSP if they ever do fight.
by ducknow on Apr 19, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
I really wanna see a GSP/Silva fight now. I think Silva is starting to lose some fans with his last two performances. With the pressure to really start performing, he’s gonna get in there with GSP and hopefully get knocked out. I’m just tired of seeing Silva in there acting like an idiot instead of going for the win. It’s like he’s not even trying anymore.
by not a silva nuthugger on Apr 19, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
Well, I do blame Anderson Silva for the boring fight.
He’s the champion. I expect more from him than from some random challenger.
Also, while I didn’t expect Silva to follow Leites to the ground, what excuse does Silva have for not engaging on the feet? For all the shuck-and-jive nonsense vs. a guy who can’t hit him, and who couldn’t hurt him if he did? Dancing around expecting Leites to attack so he could counter-punch at his leisure was just as absurd as Leites plopping down and expecting Silva to come down into his guard.
That, and it’s one thing to refuse to come to play when Leites sat down and hoped for a miracle, but it’s another thing entirely to repeatedly sweep Leites, then do nothing except stand there with his hands on his hips.
But specifics aside, the big issue here is that Silva didn’t look like he was working a boring but reasonable game plan – that would be acceptable. (I blame the promotion for putting on boring fighters, not the fighters themselves.) Instead, he looked like he was just messing around (He PUNCHED a guy in the leg! Come on!), like he didn’t even want to be there – for the second time in a row. Maybe it’s not the case, but he’s definitely coming across like someone who doesn’t even want to be there.
BTW, anyone see White’s reaction? He came in with the belt, basically put it on Silva without even looking directly at him, then left without a word. Hah. :)
by MattNY on Apr 19, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
True, Silva looks like he couldn’t give a shit anymore. He looks like a guy going through the motions, seeing out his contract till he can make some real money in the boxing ring. Shame.
by attakdog on Apr 19, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
True, Silva looks like he couldn’t give a shit anymore. He looks like a guy going through the motions, seeing out his contract till he can make some real money in the boxing ring. Shame.
by attakdog on Apr 19, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure strikeforce will be interested in the iceman. He will still be a big enough draw financially that if he wants to fight someone will give him a contract. Just don’t believe it will be ufc.
by mr guillotine on Apr 19, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
Forget about Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels… last night was the real "Montreal Screw-Job"… This was an opportunity to build hype for a mega-fight between Silva and GSP, with the spider having dominant victory in GSP’s home town…The worst part about it is the only people getting screwed here were the fans. Boo!
by biggenutz on Apr 19, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions
I agree with Anderson. Some fans don’t get it. Not every fight is going to be a highlight-reel knockout, and the truth is that any decent fighter (like Leites) who just wants to go in there and survive, can do just that. Expecting Silva to blitzkrieg the guy recklessly just to provide action is foolish. It’s not a Toughman fight. Anyone who is familiar with Anderson’s pre-UFC fights knows that he has had a lot of them which were lackluster or awkward. Every opponent Anderson has from now on is probably going to be fighting not to lose, so there will be more lackluster fights. Get over it.
The same fans who are mad at the Silva/Leites fight are the ones who thought Shogun was washed up after the Coleman fight or thought that Chuck Liddell would KO Shogun last night.
by Fred on Apr 19, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
Here is the diffrence: GSP went to the ground with Penn who had a better chance of a sub than Leites and GSP still pounded him out. Silva wasnt trying! And it cost me 50 bucks! I dont know whos fault it is, the UFC’s for putting a can in for a title shot, or Silva for losing his killer instinct. However they have to fix it, it needs to be fixed. Perhaps Rampage vs A.Silva or Wandy vs. A.Silva. He needs to be fighting people that make him put it on. GSP vs. Silva isnt a good match for GSP unless Silva goes to 170 cuz GSP already carries the max amount of muscle for him frame.
by Bobby on Apr 19, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
I no I’ve already left 1 comment, but I really can’t believe everyone is putting the blame on Anderson Silva. Silva is the champion. Thales Leites is the challenger, and it’s the challengers job to take the belt away from the champion. Silva is the champion and he’s going to be, so why does he have to go to the ground. If Leites wanted it, he should have fought Silva’s game and became champ, but he turned out to be a chump. This fight was worse then the guy that ran from Mirko Cro Cop the whole fight in Cro Cops UFC Debut.
by E. Fairway on Apr 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
Someone hit a power pole and knocked out my electricity. Lucky me from the sound of it.
by observer on Apr 19, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
Yes, it was one of the worst events ever.
And Silva is absolutely NOT anywhere near #1 p4p, Fedor and GSP are WAY ahead of him, i even question Silva being number 3.
MARQUARDT WILL HOLD THE BELT SOON, JUST WAIT AND SEE!
by Lester on Apr 19, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
This was one of the best PPV cards I have seen in a little while.
by ShitleTot.com on Apr 19, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Man I felt like I was in the twilight zone last night WTF happened to silva. He didn’t even try to fight, something tells me something was wrong like he was injured or sick or something. That deffinetly wasn’t the silva that beat the shit out of franklin twice. I felt so sad for the iceman, to go down like that, reflexes are the first to go with age and I think he more than proved that. Shitty card over all, disappointed that the crow lost. I found it funny how when the fight with “handsome”???? matt ended matt hit the ground and was like yes like he knew he won then the “hands of stone” got the nod ha ha. I was rooting for sam and thought he lost, I was like shit you dumbass why did he threw that leg kick in the third round, matt caught it and took him down, which I though would be enough for matt to win but luckily he won. One thing I know for sure is last nights fight will definitely have an impact on silva’s top pound for pound status, thinking gsp takes it now.
by nathan on Apr 19, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
Amen gord, when gsp was a freaking purple belt, and bj penn was a high level black belt he jumped on penn who was lying on his back. Silva is scared of the ground, I think gsp would have beaten silva last night, he was a bundle of nerves, cried at the end, definitely not himself.
by nathan on Apr 19, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks for the recap man. I was hoping to catch some video of the fights. Any idea where I can find them online? I’d like to be able to repost them too if you know how.
Thanks.
Dan
by Dansmuaythaimma on Apr 19, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
Well Dana…. in my opinion you two good choices for the dancing spider!
Damion Maia, who I believe would submit him!!
Luis Cane at 205… very exciting fight, Cane will not sit there and wait with fear in his eyes. he will take it to him!!
by jim on Apr 19, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Fedor is still king he just ko’d aa and killed big tim. he has no one left to fight at affliction.
i think silva will fight rua next. i’d like to see him fight cung le or rampage at 205
by hatteras on Apr 19, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
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