WTF do you guys expect Leites to have done? Its like in soccer expecting a defender to score goals. Thales does what he does very well…and that’s submit people. He obviously didn’t want to engage in a striking battle for to long (who would?….and win?) especially when he was probably feeling the power of Silva’s strikes. Remember you guys weren’t in there, Thales was.

I thought it was a boring fight but why complain that Thales wanted to fight his fight? Anderson was doing the exact same thing!! Scared as hell to engage in a ground battle even though he is a BJJ black belt!! All this talk of him being ready to go to the ground was BS and I knew it would be, but again I don’t blame Anderson for that really either. It was just a case of clashing styles and they both have to be blamed for the fact that it was boring.

In my opinion Anderson has the belt and everyone expected him to wipe the floor with Thales and the bottom line is he couldn’t do it. Thales gets a lot of respect from me even if I did get frustrated watching it cos at least he did stay on his feet for most of the fight. Its not like he was doing a Palhares he just dropped when he thought he might have took a KO punch from Anderson.

P.S. Chuck only backs up Anderson cos he is not able to fight on the ground at all and probably gets frustrated by top level BJJ guys. I can’t wait to see all these ground shy dudes get subbed. This is MMA FFS.

P.P.S. Sorry to break it to ya Dana but Fedor is most definately P4P No.1 whether you like it or not with GSP No.2 now. Fedor brings it in every fight trying to finish people whether its on the feet, wrestling or on the ground in amazing fashion….that is what makes him No.1….Nuff said. Ya boy Anderson just can’t do that by the looks of it….even to mis-matched opponents!

this is not jiu-jitsu.. every fight starts with both fighters on the feet and Thales didn’t even make an attempt to take Anderson down except for in the 2nd round.. he did not even throw a punch when Anderson stood with his hands down right infront of him..

Watch the fight again Rob. He tried many times. Why do you think Anderson focused on taking out his lead knee?

I know every fight starts on the ground but that doesn’t mean that Thales wants it to stay there does it?

ok i did not see too many solid attempts.. just falling down on your back isn’t gonna do it! if Thales wanted it to go to the ground he should have tried harder, and atleast tried to set it up with a punch or two..

but sure i’ll watch it again..

Ca$z your pretty wrong about a lot of things.

First off, Thales is the challenger so a certain onus falls on him. I don’t think it was all Thales fault either, but he did a lot of flopping and it clearly wasn’t working, Anderson made Thales look terrible the whole fight and ya I’m disappointed he didn’t pull the trigger, but he didn’t seem to worry about Thales there was no real trepidation he just didn’t pull the trigger.
Second of all Chuck doesn’t submit on the ground, but has great defence and wrestling, did you see how well he escaped from shoguns ground game, completely unscathed.
So saying he’s defending Anderson because he ’can’t fight on the ground and is bitter’ is just idiotic, it’s not like he’s been submitted any time recently, if anything he’d be bitter about strikers, because he keeps getting KO’d.

Anderson is p4p, he doesn’t go down with a win you just because you don’t like him and didn’t like this fight, but I’d put Fedor second after that.

Man you guys are so quick to turn on fighters from one performance.
MMA fans have to be the most fickle fans in the world.

fuuck anderson silva, suuck his lame translator, fuuck chuck lidell, how can they defend his performance last nite? he was obviously clowning around! oh it takes 2 people to fight? well i saw 2 people in there and neither one of them were fighting, feed this joke to quinton jackson and then fire him, im fed up with his antics! ill never spend another dollar on an anderson silva fight thats for sure

and one more thing…. SHOGUN!!!!!!

I will not bother to reiterate what Ive already said above but that is what I believe from watching the fight 3 times already. In a way I guess I was hoping Thales would bring something to the table (which I think he did in the 2nd round) and I respected why he was sticking to his guns in the approach he needed to win but I did honestly think Anderson would overwhelm him in R2 with strikes (you can check my previous posts on predictions before the fights). When this didn’t happen even though there were opportunities for him to do so even with GnP he failed to do so. Being scared to be in certain positions in a fight shows something lacking in your game and severely reduces justifying why he should be considered the P4P best. Me saying Fedor or GSP should come before him is that they do not show these kind of weaknesses which why I would put them there.

Im sure you weren’t directing your final statement to me but if you look at any of my posts I always stand by my fighters and never hop on and off bandwagons depending on who wins and loses although there are a lot of people that do.

I have always said Fedor is No.1 P4P since his dominating run in Pride 4 years ago and to this day I still believe that. The only change in my mind is that I now believe GSP takes the 2nd spot as he shows more well rounded dominance in his weightclass with Anderson looking insecure on the ground and lacking finishing ability in fights he should be easily winning.

styles making fights, or lack there of, was never more apparent in mma history. thi was a terrible match of styles, especially since neither fighter wanted to even take a chance at beating the other fighter in any other style than their own favorite. dana has to quit letting people have title shots that really don’t deserve it. nothing in the marquardt fight showed me that leites was ready for silva. wtf did i miss that dana and joe saw. obviously nothing. he went the distance, but will probably never have another fight on a main card. he was on his back more than any of the pros up there. DANA, IF YOU DON’T LIKE WHAT U SAW, QUIT SETTING UP THIS BULLSH!T TOGETHER.

What is wrong with you guys? It wasn’t Anderson’s fault that Thales was just floppin’ around like some rag doll. Anderson even showed a move, which is what I call the “blackmagic sidesweeping kick” based on what we call here a “Blackmagic move” from this native game here called “Sipa”[which literally means kick"].

Well anyway, I also didn’t like the fans chanting bs bs. Anderson wasn’t toying around with Leites.It’s just that Thales was always disengaging. He had no business there in the octagon whatsoever.

Bottom line, if you like BJJ or fighting on the ground, you better know and TRY to get your opponent there. Don’t expect someone to dive right in just because you invite them.

Yes the fight was boring, but Leites was a joke. Who’s in the division that can really challenge Silva?? Do we have to wait for Hendo again or Bisping??? I can’t blame Silva totally here, just like Chuck said, he threw a punch in the air and Leites flopped on the ground.

Ca$s: I never once bought the BS hype about Anderson being p4p king over Fedor. U know what Fedor does when his opponents fall to the ground n ask him to follow them to the ground…..He grants them there wish, goes to the ground n punches them in their mouth! That is the TRUE p4p king….He doesnt c are where the fight is or who is opponent is…..he just whoops their ass!

If a ju jitsu Phenom doesnt want to stand with him, fine he goes to the ground and kicks their ass.

That is the TRUE definition of the P4p King! Regardless of what dana says, any fan that is objective and doesnt just hate on non UFC fighters KNOWS Fedor is the King! Its not even disputable!

YOu dont see Fedor getting upset by inferior welterweights like Takase or Ryo Chonan (Anderson)…YOu dont see Fedor getting Knocked into next week by a guy on Matt Serra’s level (GSP) and you dont see Fedor coming into fights out of shape like BJ Penn!

I dont even like talking to haters that are to biased to admit Fedor is KING!

Eeehhh, Starnes Quarry was WAY WAY WORSE than this fight!

Agreed Fokman. I think you guys are way off with the Starnes references. This is A. Silva not Quarry and although Silva was baiting him with his hands down do you think Leites is stupid enough to fall for that. He would have got countered and KO’d for sure.

Anderson is too good that he just dances around. All the Greg Jackson boys wouldn’t stand a chance against the Spider. Hence, your name won’t stand a chance…Just had to slip that in there, hehe!

I had no problem with Anderson last night, i did however have a major problem with Leites.. the judge that scored the fight 48-47 should have been fired on the spot! WFT was that..

I agree, bogus judging and a poor performance by an unworthy opponent. Give Anderson good challengers and we will see better fights, instead of seeing tentative guys who are too scared of him to engage or just lie on the floor, I’m a big fan of the grappling side of MMA but lying on the floor isn’t playing to your strengths in BJJ its simply trying not to get KO’d, if thats what Leites wanted then fair play to him he survived but that sort of tactic doesn’t win fights (unless your a clueless judge who wasn’t paying attention).

Chuck stuck up for him cos he is a 1 dimensional fighter who has no skills on the ground either….not that I’m saying Anderson hasn’t cos he has a BJJ black belt….so why would he be so scared to go on the ground then?? He should at least be able to fend off attacks and then Thales would have felt he had no way of winning and then Anderson would have been able to control the fight on the feet. Thales had a good chance in round 2 but did not capitalise on it which I’m sure he will be mad at himself for doing so.

Either way if you are so highly regarded or supposedly the No.1 P4P fighter in the world then you need to be able to prove that noone can f*ck with you anywhere the fight goes (standing, wrestling or on the ground) thats what a No.1 P4P MMA fighter should be able to do…no???

I know many of you guys hate to hear it but Fedor does and so does GSP but I’m sorry to say Anderson just looks uncomfortable on the ground considering he is a BJJ Black belt!

Ive got a feeling Dana will never make this mistake again and all we’ll see is Anderson being spoonfed strikers who have no chance of beating him which will be very sad indeed.

also, if youre gonna call someone the P4P best fighter, they better be able to finish a fight inside of 25 min for gods sake, especially against an opponent who has no offense

He is still p4p caliber. He’s just discontented with his opponents in the octagon. It’s Joe Silva’s job to make these fights exciting. Anderson is at no fault at all!

Yea man..I have more respect for GSP’s game now after watching the Silva fight. With all the greasing talk aside, GSP is always known for wanting to beat the guy he’s fighting at the other guy’s strength.

Out-wrestled Koscheck.
Out-Muscling Hughes.
Taking the better BJJ artist BJ Penn to the ground at will.
Taking the better BJJ artist Serra to the ground at will.
Taking Jon Fitch to test anywhere the fight went.

GSP is well rounded and is NOT afraid to take the fight anywhere – and he dominates when he does so.

And all of this is coming from a huge BJ Penn fan.

Anderson’s attitude in the fight was obvious – he wanted nothing with Leite’s ground game. A guy like GSP would have wanted to beat Leite’s at BJJ and would have trained to do so.

More respect to GSP

Before I forget, I was thinking about the whole Chuck retirment thing, and I am starting to think he isnt finished after all….Hear me out: When chuck was on top of the world he was beating up on WRESTLERS who were inferior strikers to chuck. Only striker worth a damn that I can think that Chuck faced when he was on top of the world was Vitor. Everyone else were Wrestlers: Randleman. Couture, Babalu, Tito…. Even when Chuck was on top, we really never got to see him beat top ranked strikers….In his last 5 fights, when he went on that terrible losing streak…It all came against strikers that had better stand up than anyone chuck beat during his unstoppable Prime. THink about it, he lost to all strikers: Jardine, shogun, Rashad, Rampage. I dont think Chuck has ever beaten guys with this kind of striking in the UFC…thus is striking always looked better than it actually is.

Instead of making Chuck retire, give him some more favorable match ups. For example: I still think Chuck has the tools to beat a top 5 fighter like Forrest, simply because he matches up well with Forrest. Forrest isnt going to be Ko’ing anyone anytime soon, so I think this is a very winnable match up for Chuck against a top opponent. If not, they can match up Chuck against wrestlers like Matt Hammil.

If Chuck wants to continue to fight, I think he should be allowed to…but if he does proceed to fight, he needs to be matched up against opponents who he matches up well with stylistically. Chuck has NEVER picked his opponents…and I dont think there is anything wrong with giving him better match ups suited for his skill set. His title aspirations are over…but if he still wants to compete, I think he can still do well against a few top 20 fighters like Forrest and Hammil.

Ya but I feel he was protected as well, so that they could get him the UFC record of nine consecutive wins. Seriously, Lateis who got his ass beat by Marquardt ? Maia, Bisping or hendo deserved a chance before him.

Although they both have the same background I think the Maia would be significantly different. Maia has a very subtle clever approach to drawing people in to his web and I would like to see that fight the most followed by Hendo vs Silva 2. I just dont think Bisping even if he outpoints Hendo can bring anything to the table against Silva.

he needs to learn english cause that’s what you do if you want to make some money.. most ppl in the world understands english

Except Dana White.

I’ve said it a million times. It’s part of Dana’s strategy to get Fedor to fight in the UFC. He never says Fedor’s skills suck. He always says “to be the best, you have to fight the best.” I think he’s open to the idea that Fedor is possibly the best P4P, but all he really care’s about is getting him the UFC.

He’s fought top shelf fighters his whole career.
Dana White gives him no credit simply because he’s not in the UFC and most likely never will.
Nor does he have too.

Top shelf?? You’re not looking from the bottom up are you? All the ex-UFC guys Fedor has fought are way passed their prime. Its like having him fight Randy or even Chuck, they aren’t what they used to be.

Fedor is great, but he needs to fight other guys in their prime too.

Past their Prime….UFC HW Champ Frank Mir doesnt even have a damn Prime! Do you know what Arlovski would do to Frank Mir? hahaha it wouldnt even be funny!

Even the UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir has recently admitted publicly that Fedor is the best! your UFC p4p top dog, GSP recently said publicly that Fedor was p4p King.

Who do you guys think know the best who is the greatest fighter? Dana white, the Fans or actual top fighters? I think top fighters no a thing or 2 more then the rest of us, and I will say that about 90% of them have all publicly said that Fedor is the top dog!

Wow, another casual fan…Welcome to the real MMA world.