UFC Quick Quote: Frank Mir to destroy Brock Lesnar's legacy and career on July 11
by MMAmania.com on Apr 16, 2009 7:29 AM EDT
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"I’m going to soon be the the destroyer of Brock Lesnar’s legacy and career.... Obviously, I’m slightly scared -- just look at Brock ... he is a scary guy. When he was beating me down I went to tap. Oh, well, that’s right. Brock asked the referee to come over and save him! At [UFC 81] I wasn’t really working with a jiu-jitsu coach. I was my own coach. I now have Demian Maia who is my head jiu-jitsu coach. My game has gone drastically to different levels. I thought I was actually good at it until I started rolling with him."
-- Frank Mir responds last night during a brief "Inside the Octagon" clip to statements Brock Lesnar recently made that he is scurred to fight him, which is the reason Mir had the bout delayed until UFC 100 on July 11 rather than fighting at UFC 98 on May 23. That's not the case according to the interim heavyweight champion, who sarcastically reminds Lesnar that he was the one who needed saving in their original confrontation at UFC 81: "Breaking Point" back in Feb. 2008. Mir is actually rehabbing from minor knee surgery, as well as polishing his already solid ground game with Brazilian jiu-jitsu phenom, Demian Maia.
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I think Frank will pull off the win again. He has all of the skills to beat Brock. Brock is just huge but his strength is in his wrestling. Frank mir is good off of his back and on the ground in general. Brock is in trouble again!
by Winner by Strikes!! on Apr 16, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think mir is a funny, funny man. the only difference in this fight is lesnar won’t be so ridiculously over paced in the fight and get caught with something stupid. mir has every right to be scared, anyone who steps in the cage with someone that huge should be slightly worried.
by newkoba on Apr 16, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive never been a fan of Mir but I hope he pulls the win off again just because he deserves it more than Brock at the moment.
Maybe when Brock shows he has more of a game than just his size and strength I will be happy to see him as the Champ but I just don’t buy into the cartoon character just yet until he shows a more well rounded skillset.
by Ca$z on Apr 16, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Frank wins as well, but it would shock me.
As for Mir’s comments, he separates his fight hype talk 100% from what he’s really thinking. If he wins, I’m sure he’ll admit afterwards that he was shitting his pants before the fight.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Apr 16, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Brock make Randy his little BITCH for life after outstriking him and wrestling him.
Brock by 1st degree manslaughter.
by Everyone on Apr 16, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are going to be honest in this debate…then neither Brock (who I am a fan of) or Mir (who I hate) should have ever been in the position to fight for the UFC title. Neither has earned that right in my opinion. Being a UFC champion should mean that you are the best fighter in the world at that weight class. I can understand that Fedor isnt in the UFC so we cant possibly have the best HW in the world as champion, but in my opinion fighters like Arlovski, Barnett, Werdum would ber more deserving of a shot at fighting for the UFC title.
since these 2 undeserving FAKE champions are going to battle it out…I would like to see Brock win, simply because he at least has the potential to be GREAT! Mir is going to be irrelevant again in no time!
I have a question for you guys and I would like your honest oppinions. I am going to list some UFC fighters, and I want you guys to tell me, if they show up in top shape against Frank Mir in top shape….which fighters do you think mir could beat:
Arlovski,Gonzaga,Barnett,fedor,couture,Nog (healthy rematch),werdum,Carwin,Cain,Kongo,Overeem,Sylvia, Herring?
who do you guys think that mIr can beat on that list? iMO the only fighters he might be the favorite against would be: Cain, simply because he is still untested.
Mir wouldnt be able to takedown the following fighters, thus being forced to stand n Bang with these fighters and I dont think Mir can win in a striking battle against the following fighters:
Barnett,Fedor,Arlovski,Couture,Brock,Carwin,Sylvia.
I think Mir could get the following fighters to the ground but would be out jitsed anyway: Nog,Gonzaga, Werdum (his jits would make frank look like a white belt). I think he can get Herring down, but I dont think he can submit the craft herring.
If I had to list top fighters that Mir hjas the best chance against I would say: Kongo, Overeem (td defense not great, and would be at a disadvantage on the ground) and this is coming from a bigtime Overeem fan. Cain do to lack of experience!
Of course I am just talking baout how they match up on paper. THis is mma and anyone can get caught….but you guys have to admit that Mir wouldnt be the favorite against most of those fighters and IMO, the UFC champion should be favorite over most contenders!
by john on Apr 16, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock hits like a Mac Truck. If he was smart, he would just keep it standing and nullify Frank’s BJJ because I think that he would win a stand up match. He did drop Mir with a punch in their first fight.
by getrawbc on Apr 16, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock may have dropped Mir with that punch, but that also lead to a quick submission on the ground just where Mir wanted to be. So unless he knocks him out, that might not work out for him.
by UFC Champ on Apr 16, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Mir hasn’t fallen in love with his striking following the Nog win.
I mean it was not that he was good it was that Nog had a terrible night for whatever reason.
I can see this staying on the feet until Brock lands a freight train of a right hand before pacing his G&P for the win.
by Nick J on Apr 16, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish we had a wrestlemania type PPV where we saw every fight
by mikeybear on Apr 16, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn’t be able to squeeze extra cash out of you for the DVD’s then though would they!
by Ca$z on Apr 16, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched wrestlemania with my son, it was boring, too long and lame…Dana please don’t make 100 like wreslemania! I was a huge wrestling fan growing up and was amazed at how bad WM25 was!
by kevin on Apr 16, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock is huge, but Mir usually comes in around 250-255 not like Randy at 225. Mir’s skill and shear determination will pull it off, hopefully by “breaking” foot lock just to prove a point.
I love this guy, funny as hell, serious when he needs to be, and a perfect gentlemen. Exactly what a champion should be.
Go get em Mir!
by UFC Champ on Apr 16, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Mazzagati didn’t stand them up in the first fight he would have been raising Brocks hand shortly after. I am a Jiu Jitsu student myself. But I still always call it how i see it.
If Lesner is smart he will keep the fight standing Clinch, knee, and dirty box mir into a bloody mess. He would easily win the fight that way. Mir can not take him down so the only way he gets caught in a sub is if he takes the fight to the ground.
by S DUBS on Apr 16, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. Working with Maia means that Mir is going to have some real different takedowns. Think along the lines of the foot-sweep that Maia used to take down Chael Sonnen. I would bet that they are working on a lot of alternative things like that based on the wrestling type of clinches that Brock is expected to go for.
Based on this quote I guess it’s fair to say that Mir’s plan is to work for a sub.
by Wabber on Apr 16, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine Maia’s game is a lot more technical than most black belts let alone Frank’s BJJ.
He will more than likely be showing him some effective sweeps and control of limbs to nullify Brocks attacks if it does go to the ground.
by Ca$z on Apr 16, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good post chief, glad to see I’m not alone!!!
by kevin on Apr 16, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not with you guys on this one. I’m not a Brock fan, I’m just tired of Mir running his mouth. I know it is fight hype, but he comes across as an arrogant ass. Did the same thing before the Nog fight. That said, if Lesnar wins, I hope someone takes the belt from him fast. I could see Lesnar running his mouth endless too.
by Jeff on Apr 16, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Jeff, but I’d rather a true martial artist running his mouth over an “ultimate fighter” any day!
by kevin on Apr 16, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow I thought mirs jj was already insane but from what he’s saying its gotten better. I don’t think he’s scared of brock he just knows brock isn’t going to be the same as their first encounter. if anything brock might be scared beause he has already lost to mir. I still think brock wins this
by TRIKZ on Apr 16, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you are right. All the pressure is on Brock. If Mir loses, everyone just says, “Ah he got run over by a freight train named Lesnar!!!” If he loses again then people will realize that he is just size and strength with lack of a solid skill set. I like Lesnar butI do not think it works for me to have a guy with 5 MMA fights holding the championship belt, in an organization that has been around for almost 20 years, but that is just my opnion. His inabilty to finish Herring was an indicator of his skill set. Yes he KO’d Randy but the weight difference was ridiculous. Herring showed that if you can take the initial shot, he doesn’t have much else to offer but to sit on top of you and hold you in place.
by Da Monkey on Apr 16, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. If you want to see a dominating win and destruction of Herring then check out his fight with Fedor. That was vicious and Brock was snoozeworthy in comparison!
I can imagine it is hard to get the confidence after only a few fights but I still think Brock should have been brought through the ranks the right way like all the other HW’s.
They probably just cant afford to have someone getting paid $250k to be on the undercard though!
by Ca$z on Apr 16, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going with either a Brock win by TKO rd2, or Mir submission rd 2, or maybe a decision by Brock or Mir. lol I really don’t know who to pick. I’m gonna go Brock by Decision.
by rydinlow on Apr 16, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to go with either Brock or Mir, by either KO, TKO, submission, or decision, in either rounds 1,2,3,4,or 5.
Way to call it.
by pancake head on Apr 16, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant see anyone winning a decision in Rounds 1,2,3 or 4 though can you??? :-)
by Ca$z on Apr 16, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Mir winning a 2 round decision. But if it goes to the judges scorecards after round 3 or 4, Brock takes it. 5 is anyone’s game. BOOK IT!
by pancake head on Apr 16, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I know why you are called Pancake Head…
cuz you crazy man! (in mexican accent)
by Ca$z on Apr 16, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im so sick of people saying Brock has the superior striking. Having two dump trucks as hands makes you dangerous, but it does not make you a technical striker. I promise you Mir’s boxing is probably more technical than Brock’s, so if Brock doesnt knock Mir out on the feet, I dont think it is crazy to think Mir could out point him on the feet.
by Dave on Apr 16, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You “promise” us that his striking is “probably” more technical… sounds like you have a lot of confidence in your post. Well argued.
by Danza Macabra on Apr 16, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock has learned his lesson from the leg lock so that WON’T happen again. You can’t triangle Lesnar, can’t arm bar Lesnar, can’t guillotine Lesnar, and I highly doubt a rear clothed choke will be applied.
LESNAR BY GnP…….and I will laugh at you Mur nuthuggin losers
by A-Dog on Apr 16, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Other than your first sentence, I don’t see much of an argument here. Yes, it’s unlikely he’ll fall into a leg lock since he’s fallen into that trap before. But explain to me why he can’t be arm barred, guillotined or RNC’d?
An arm bar would be difficult based on Lesnar’s strength and explosiveness, but an arm bar works based on leverage and the fact that it applies your entire strength against one of your opponent’s limbs. I’m sorry, Mir by armbar is possible, though unlikely.
As far as triangle chokes go, it’s easier to triangle a bigger guy since the legs will cinch up tighter than they will around a smaller guy. There is the problem that Lesnar can slam Mir if he goes for a triangle, but I’d imagine Mir is smart enough to hook one of Lesnar’s legs to avoid being slammed.
RNC and guillotines are harder on people who have short, thick necks, so there may be some merit to claiming that it would be hard to choke Lesnar. But it is by no means impossible to choke him out. Also, Lesnar does have a neck. He’s not one of those guys who looks like his head is sitting flat on his shoulders.
by sove on Apr 16, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mir may or may not be a more technical striker than Brock! Mir threw the same 3 punch combination over and over against what appeared to be a stunt double of Nog(Not a big fan of nog’s, by the way!) and now some people believe he is a heavyweight Floyd Mayweather. Not so! Brock Lesnar treated Mir like a Raggedy Ann and Andy Doll the first time out until he made a rookie mistake! This time out, Brock lesnar will not be so careless! You can bet Lesnar has been totally focused on his ground game for this fight! He doesn’t have to work on wrestling or striking because he’s already proved he’s far superior at both! He can take Mir’s punches, but Mir can’t take his too well! Don’t look for Brock to fall into one of Mir’s “Hail Mary” submissions this time! I have always been a pretty big fan of Frank Mir, but, he’s about to tote an a@@whippin’ that he won’t soon forget!
by Dana's a CrossDresser on Apr 16, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mir by ARM BAR SNAP!!!! Guaranteed!! Lesnar’s MMA career will be over!
by Robert on Apr 16, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Careful or you’ll get all the WWE fans on here reminding you how big Brocks arms are and that he cannot be armbarred because of it!!
by Ca$z on Apr 16, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Mir and he’s funny but Brock is going to going to knock him into next week. My money is on Lesnar!
by Isaac Hinds on Apr 16, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless Bork Bork evolves, I’ll assume this is going to be the same dry hump/hammerfist routine.
by KS on Apr 16, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mir by submission! Frank deserves to be champ — I want Lesnar to climb the ranks again.
by San Jose Rob on Apr 16, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Brock takes this one. I think the only way Mir wins is if he gets it to the ground and I don’t see him being able to take Lesnar down, but we’ll see. It will be an interesting fight because I don’t think Mir can go 5 rounds with that big of a guy on him and we don’t know if Lesnar can or not. I don’t see this one going 5 rounds anyway, jmo.
by brac on Apr 16, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar is an elite level amateur wrestler and genetic freak. His strength and speed are going to be too much for Mir. He’s not going to stupid enough to bull rush Mir like he did in that first fight. And what people seem to forget is if that fight had not been restarted by Mazzagatti, Lesnar would have had a TKO victory.
by Whskw on Apr 16, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mir, beware!!! Brock will not allow himself to be submitted again!! I know any MMA at any given time can be beaten, but Brock will be prepared and conditioned BETTER THAN EVER!!!
Frank, bring your “A” Game!!! It will be a WAR!!!
by BigDaddy on Apr 16, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mir wont be able to handle lesner.. he may have to find his way out with another submission…this fight could be very similar to the first one..or mir will get KO’d
by jesse on Apr 17, 2009 3:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Drysdale was Mir’s Jits coach? If Drysdale was Mir’s coach and Mir is basically saying Drysdale was such a piss poor coach he isnt worth mentioning is INCREDIBLY disrespectful!
by rhys on Apr 17, 2009 6:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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