Nick Diaz and Frank Shamrock almost come to blows before Strikeforce fight (Video)

lol@ freddy. so helping an opponent up and raising his hand after the fight, then saying he was one of the guys you looked up to growing up isn’t professional? Go watch a few Diaz fights in Japan. He loves the sport and treats it with respect, Half the people who hate him, watch because of how he hypes a fight! Kinda reminds me of Tito after the last Ken fight! It was hyped as they hate each other, but then after the fight, “they made up!” It’s called drawing up attention and hype so more people watch a fight! If two guys were best friends and were slobbering all over each others nuts before a fight, who would want to see the fight?

The correct answer is sociopath.

Hey kevin, what you do after you act like a douche doesn’t excuse the douchieness. If someone suckerpunched me in a bar, I wouldn’t really give a crap about an apology after. Diaz’ trash talk and antics make him look like just that… trash.

Defending reprehensible actions because the perpetrator displays an ounce of grace after the fact is irrational. It wouldn’t hold any weight in a court of law, and it shouldn’t here either. If Diaz had lost that fight he would have kept up the trash talk and posturing afterwards. It’s easy to be graceful when the fight’s over and you’ve won.

Look at the truly great fighters out there: Couture, Liddell, Wanderlei, Anderson, GSP and Fedor to name a few. They would never sully themselves and the sport with this kind of childish street bullshit, and they’re all much better fighters than Diaz.

To me, that behviour is just a display of insecurity and emotional and mental weakness. It’s the same thing I think when I see Penn or Junie before a fight. A real warrior doesn’t need to work himself up like that to fight. I don’t care if it’s for hype, you don’t disgrace yourself and cheapen your sport to sell a few extra tickets to borderline fans who will never really like MMA anyway. I really think one day they’ll look back at their antics with a sense of shame.

What exactly is reprehensible about what he did? It is clear that Shamrock is provoking him. He gave him the middle finger and got in his face??? Whoa, call the morality police! Shamrock is the one that called him a faggott. Give me a break. Can you honestly tell me that if some dude you were about to fight challenged you like that you wouldn’t stand up to him? Sure, Diaz has control issues but the kid loves the sport and he is extremely talented. I like his attitude and think his honesty is refreshing.

Kevin, I’m not talking about after the fight. I’m talking about representing a sport that is still trying to earn the respect of the “Sporting World”. Be a pro. There’s a lot of times that I’d like to smack a customer or occasionally a co-worker, but I’m a pro, so I don’t. Fight in the cage, have respect out of the cage.

Jeremy, the guys you mentioned didn’t grow up in stockton (not an excuse) and are all class acts, hands down! I guess I see no problem with hyping a fight and being an angry prick! Everyone has a different personality! If all fighters were like GSP, it would be a very boring sport leading up to a fight! You need your Diaz’s, serra’s and guys that talk trash! My son wouldn’t use any of these guys as role models because he has parents, anyone who considers athletes true role models, lives a pathetic life!
I do get your point though!

Not backing up his style, but everyone has a different way of psyching themselves up for a fight. This isn’t a baseball game or tennis game, this is a fight! I can only imagine how jacked you need to get knowing you could or could not get the sh$t knocked out of you. By the way, those kids will see alot worse than that at an MMA fight, so if their old enough to handle that (ala watching their Dad ringside get beat down (Scott Smith)) I think they can handle a few f words and middle fingers.

Frank Shamrock is no model of maturity either…have you seen or heard half the stuff he does to hype fights, before during, and after. He definately fostered some of this behavior through the years.

Kevin is right, how can you even argue with him on this one.. Jeremy you’re completely wrong! It’s a show and a business they’re put in a situation where they have to do their job to keep their business flowing..
what Diaz, Tito and those guys are doing is so intelligent that you don’t even know it, apparently you have no sense about what ppl wants to see… If everybody has an opinion about you then you know you’re doing it right!
you need to do something to stand out in the crowd..
nobody really cares about a neardy MMA fighter no matter how good they are, you can say that he’s a good fighter, but to be a true fan you have to care about the person!

Frank is great at hyping fights too, and that’s why Tito was disappointed to see him lose.. they would draw a ton of interest and the hype would be insane for that rematch with two of the legends in the biz!

No RoB, you’re wrong.

What Diaz does is an embarrassment to the sport. MMA is exciting enough to be enjoyed without schoolyard antics before the fight.

Everybody has an opinion about a lot of scumbags. So what? Stikeforce’s ratings for that bout were probably crap, much like the vast majority of your Tito-sack-hugging posts.

LOL, nobody cares about a fighter unless they’re an asshole? Speak for yourself.

It sells the fight short term, but in the long term it makes people take the sport less seriously. Other sports don’t resort to this kind of crap to get ratings, and they would severely discipline an athlete who behaved this way.

Don’t fucking question whether I’m a true fan because I find this crap distateful. A true fan doesn’t need this kind of garbage to get pumped for a fight.

You’re probably a WWE fan.

the mofo’s who thinks that they’re gonna find role models in the MMA biz are crazy!..
the UFC and every biz for that matter are hype machines and hype/media is a huge part of the game if you want to make money that is.. you have to take the spotlight and make ppl remember you!…

I’m not looking for role models, I’m looking for people who aren’t retarded… which is why I probably shouldn’t be talking to you.

People don’t want to see that crap… idiots do. Some idiots want to see public executions too… doesn’t mean you give it to them. It’s called having a little class… try it sometime.

And fights can be hyped and fighters can have personalities without acting like lowlife street trash… ever heard of Muhammed Ali?

you are a retard my friend… and everyone of your posts are retarded too! It’s a fight game ffs, so fighting is about hugging and kissing? where did i go wrong.. they’re drawing attention to the sport! that can never be bad in the long-term..
other sports aren’t about fighting, so wft are you talking about? Tito isn’t an a-hole i know that for a fact! if being a smart business man and making money is being an a$$ than ok..
And you know what WWE is all about entertainment just like MMA, only difference being that everything’s fake..
Other sports also don’t need the trash talk and those things because media is covering everything, and they’re sports that everyone can play and goes down to being organized sports for kids..

try thinking Jeremy.. do you go to church with your mother selecting your clothes everyday?.. I mean are u 60? this is 2009, and like it or not that’s the name of the game in the fighting business.. It’s still fighting whether you like it or not.. you can’t justify fighting by hugging your opponent and shaking hands during the fight!
tell me one fighter that’s classier and business smarter than Tito Ortiz and Rampage? when have you ever heard Tito go personal? it’s a fake and a business, get over it u homo!

yeah, calling Joe Frasier an uncle tom and getting the whole black community to turn on him was very classy! Every sport does it, right down to coaches recruiting the same guys rivals are recruiting

LOL, you guys are hilarious… It’s funny that anybody would defend this behavior. The best way to get the spotlight on you is to kick ass… Which I admit Diaz did once he got in the cage. I listed many fighters above who never resort to this crap to sell fights, yet they are all WAY more popular and well-known than Diaz.

Kev, Ali was at least funny and clever with his jibes… he infuriated his opponents without calling them bitches and threatening to kill them in front of a room of little kids.

And RoB, I’m 32 years old and definitely not a homo, according to my girlfriend. Once again, if you’re into fake stuff so much, get out your Undertaker doll and ask your mom if your friends can come over.

jeremy??? you ever heard of Ali?

Anybody who argues Jeremy’s point needs a mental evaluation.

I would imagine most MMA fans ultimately want this sport to reach the levels of the current mainstream sports. If you don’t I suggest you look up the definition of the word “fan”.

That being said, for the life of me, I can not possibly fathom any justification for how either one of the DIaz brothers conduct themselves. Unprofessional to say the least.

“Oh, but its good for hyping fights”

I’m sorry, but the highest paid fighters today do not conduct themselves anywhere close to this manner. What does that say?

 But for the sake of argument, lets say you do decide to hype the fight with a little trash talk. I don’t see harm in that. But to limit these(by these I mean the Diaz brothers overall “look at me, I’m thug, I’m from stockton”) actions as mere “trash talk” is naive. It’s childish BS that won’t be found in most mainstream sports and certainly not by a true champion of any type.

Can someone possibly start to explain to me how this type of shit is anything but bad for the sport and its growth?

you guys are right, Lebron dancing and taunting a team while on the bench and up 30 is classy! TO optimizes class, he’s only called his own QB gay. need I go on? Point is, EVERY sport HAS their characters. The best rebounder of all time was a douche bag (Rodman). Watch the Thrilla in Manilla documentary on HBO, Ali was anything but classy! Because he was funny while turning a whole race of people against someone who loaned him money while exiled is classy? I do understand what you guys are saying, I just don’t agree! Like I said, every sport has these guys, I could list them, but I’d take up too much space! I’m old school, I like guys like Bird, Jordan and Mchale. So it is uncharacteristic for me to like guys like Diaz, but even I have no problem with him, fact is I know how much he loves and respects the sport. It’s all how he hypes himself up for a fight!

I’ll break the truth down for ya! no mainstream sport is about fighting, and MMA won’t ever be in that kind of mainstream other sports are, because it’s fighting… they air the fights late at night for a reason, and that is because it’s fighting…
anyone that’s ever been in any sport also knows that the hype goes around before a big game, and ur in the “zone” but when the game’s over you walk up and shake hands with your opponent which Diaz did, and the game’s over and everybody goes back to living their life!

great post Rob…you’re 100% correct. MMA will get bigger and bigger, but will never be close to the big 3!!! it’s unfortunate, but fact!

There are ways of doing it without degrading yourself.

For example, I have obviously made you angry enough to threaten to smash my face in in the Birthday Thread (good luck with that, BTW). But I did it in a clever and intelligent way, like Ali!

Then you went all Diaz on me!

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I’ve never even watched the WWE you moron.. and i don’t live in America so WWE barely even exist to me, i watched it when i was 5 like everyother kid when i happened to see it on tv…
and what’s fun is that you go back to the who’s the better fighter, that doesn’t matter! David Beckham is the best paid football player in the world stil at 33-34 and you think he’s the best?
do you know who Badr Hari is? that is a marketable fighter, he draws so much interest to K-1 that it’s crazy! at first they called him the “bad boy” but now they’ve gone over to “the golden boy” cause he sells!

And Wand being a class-act he’s done so many things in his career that were unproffessional!

lol, I thought you were talking to me jeremy, I was wondering when I threatened a man over the computer, i found it though, funny stuff!

Kevin, I didn’t say every athlete in other sports is classy. I’m saying none of them would ever get away with doing anything remotely as vile as the way Diaz and a few other fighters sometimes behave.

I realize it’s a combat sport and that this stuff will happen… Diaz is just one of the guys who takes it too far, and quite frankly I think he’s mentally ill!

Anyway, this has gone a little too far for my tastes… let’s agree to disagree, eh gents?

that wasn’t a threat that was baseless trashtalk for you.. just because you like someone doesn’t always make it right, but it’s a business and it’s allowed, just like they are allowed to go at it and fight because it’s a business..

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OK, here’s something we can all agree on… Dana White’s a tool?

why? because he speaks his mind or because he has more money than you? without Dana White (like him or not) we wouldn’t be speaking about or watching mma 2 times a month (minimum)! guess we can’t agree on much Jeremy. While I’ve enjoyed reading your posts, and you’ve made them intelligently, we will agree to disagree on these topics!

too far by flipping Frank off, speaking ignorantly or saying “homey?” what went too far? this is a serious question!

yes! he should stick more to doing his job than thinking about reality series and getting into beef’s with his own fighters..

Yes Dana White is a complete tool!

I agree Dana is a tool who needs to seperate personal beefs from business (Josh Barnett).I am sure if Dana wasn’t around somebody else could have done just as good a job with multi millionaire back up. The gladatorial nature of the sport would have assured it’s success and the eventual viewing figures we have today.

U guys are nuts… Hey I like Diaz, it’s like watching a guest on the Jerry Springer show. Diaz probably has an IQ of about 75. Also, Diaz doesn’t just do this stuff as strategy to hype a fight. That’s just his personality coming out, a side benefit is it does ‘hype’ the fight!

Fernando Vargas and Ricardo Mayorga had a brawl at their press conference.. Couldn’t wait to see the fight! I loved it..
then Fernando went ahead and sold out staples center and he’s really one of the classiest boxers that were out there.. Mayorga appologized after the fight and everything was cool..

i dont know man, fucked up ribs are a pain, i tried playing a rugby game before with 2 broken ribs, will never do that again, dont know how someone could fight with that!

There are kids RIGHT THERE DUDE!!! Nick is imbalanced…as a mature adult I personally think he makes himself look stupid and immature as opposed to pumped up….and there always seems to be cameras around too…Nick is a cartoon

Diaz punk’s will get taught a lesson one day.

yea i rewatched it and saw a couple of kids there.. but you have to question why Frank was there right behind him. and why they were doing an interview right there, cause when the camera’s are on is when they’re doing their job!.. Nick’s gotta keep up his bad boy image, for his own business and that’s what he did.

Btw..Diaz is only 25…remember how stupid some of us were at 25, not to mention you’re getting ready for a fight and getting tons of attention.

I wasn’t that stupid at 25, or 14 for that matter.

but you were never in the MMA biz.. like it or not that image is good cause it sells, most of the fans are after all fight fans and after you see something like that u just can’t wait for them to square off!..
Nick Diaz might be nice and classy in person, but i think he is confident enough to not care about what all of us thinks of him, and then show his real self to his friends and family in real life..

A badass who loses to anyone who’s half decent! The guy’s top twenty, nothing more and his antics are very boring.

he does? you mean going to decisions with some guys considered really good in the UFC and knocking out Robbie Lawler. While I don’t think he would beat GSP, his size, experience and the fact that he’s never looked hurt in a match leads me to believe he’d do really well at WW in the UFC!

I definately thought he should of won the Riggs match, and Karo definately beat him, in fact just before that match he said Karo was a bad matchup for him. It was the only time I ever heard him talk like he wasn’t confident he was gong to win the match. He was right as well. The Heat was smoking back then.

Mosdef Kev! i also think that he can still hang in there with the best WWs in the UFC!

Yes, he loses to anyone who’s any good, okay they’re close matches but he still loses! This should be telling you something – he’s just another contender, never going to be good enough to make the top grade.

Both of you fail. Rob is correct.

you got your ass beat

I agree jet, some guys need to hate someone to fight them, it’s not necessarily a bad thing, it makes them human. Who wants to like someone and beat them up?

AGREEDED

suits bro, the guys in charge, they wear suits, hence “the suits”

*miserable.

name some then douche

Let’s see… just about every pro boxer is from some shithole in Mexico or the US… half the NBA…half the NFL…

yep

To clarify though, and to give credit to Diaz, he speaks less of it than everyone else, of whom my post was directed.

who was your post directed at?

Sorry, I just vomited out my opinion cuz I was watching Oprah. Gee, Tom Cruise is a swell guy.

Anyway . . .

I just meant that people carry on with the Stockton shit more than Diaz does, so I didn’t want to appear to hate on him so much. Because whether I want Diaz to win or lose, he’s still a good fighter. He always has entertaining fights and you can never rule him out. He’s interesting.

But the Stockton shit puts me off cuz I hate wanna-be badasses and too much focus on it attracts those flies like a pile of steaming dog shit.