Ed Herman: It's win or get cut at UFC 97
by Jesse Holland on Apr 13, 2009 3:30 PM EDT
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"I think this is going to be a really exciting fight. Hopefully it's Fight of the Night or Ass Whooping of the Night. I'm looking to finish him as fast as I can...I've lost two in a row and if I lose another fight, the UFC will probably cut me so I'm trying to keep my job. It's rough times. It's a bad economy, so I gotta keep my damn job so I can keep living. I respect Loiseau, but on the 18th, I'm going in there to beat his ass."
Ed Herman — middleweight finalist on The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 3 — talks about his upcoming fight with hometown favorite David Loiseau at UFC 97 from The Bell Centre in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, on April 18. "Short Fuse" is looking to rebound from back-to-back losses and prevent himself from being a victim of a contractual "Spring Cleaning." That might not be so easy against "The Crow," who also is fighting to remain on the UFC roster. The former middleweight contender was invited back to the Octagon after putting together a solid 4-2 record outside of the promotion. Loser leaves town? Perhaps not if they can pull off fight of the night. What say you?
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Hell yeah! I hope you get cut……………FCUK’ing ginger!
by The5thBeatle on Apr 13, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Loiseau slices his face up, and sends him packing!!
by LJ on Apr 13, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pud money on Ed. He’s the underdog which I think is a mistake. A lot has changed and competition has improved dramatically since the crow last fought in the UFC. Even if he’s still a better fighter, but comes back rusty I think Ed stands a solid chance. Plus he has some real motivation and he’s an angry redhead.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Apr 13, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re right, Herman might be too much for Loiseau at this point. But I hope Herman gets whupped likre the red-headed stepchild he probably is.
by Jeremyjackson on Apr 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Herman will win this fight. Crow is a mental midget, but he is very skilled. It shouldnt be hard for Herman to break him!
I dont really like this whole, win or get cut crap! If a fighter is good enough to fight in the UFC, then he is good enough to continue fighting as long as he is performing well. YOu dont neede to win, to perform well. I dont really care for Ed but I dont think he should be fighting for his job. There is enough pressure on fighters as it is…he shouldnt need this added pressure. When you face good competition, you mightr lose 3 in a row…but that doesnt mean you dont belong in the UFC.
I promise you one thing…Ed Herman deserves to be in the UFC at the present moment over most TUF alumni from the past 2 seasons…thats for sure! He is more ready today, then most of them…yet the UFC waste main card slots on great ppv’s to build up crap fighters that are never going to be better then Herman, that will end up in Ed’s position 2 years from now anyway! For Example: Kristof!
by john on Apr 13, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dollaway cant stand the guy and how they build him up and have him fighting on 100.
by NM on Apr 13, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cro cop on Croation TV:
“I’m in a final stage of my career. I don’t know if that means I have 3, 5 10 or 15 fights left but I know one thing for sure – this is going to be the most productive part of my career”
“I’ve resolved in my head things that were bothering me. I had to answer the question do I still want to train so hard every day. And now I’m certain that I do. It’s not about the money anymore.”
“I’ve made enough money though out my career. I realized I don’t know how to live without fighting. And people who ask me why don’t I end my career with 35 years…well, maybe they didn’t have anything in their lives they were devoted to 100%. I’m just asking them to try to understand me, I can’t live without fighting. So please people, stop giving me advice to quit! I know one thing now, One day when I stop fighting – a part of me will certainly die."
“My recovery is going better than any doctor expected. I believe my first fight could be on DREAM 9.”
by john on Apr 13, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the sound of that. hope to see cro cop in top form soon.
by James S on Apr 13, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Cro Cop, one thing in you will certainly die… it’s called your cerebral cortex. Invest in a bib dude, you’re gonna need it.
by Jeremyjackson on Apr 13, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah John, I agree. Even an even record in the UFC is respectible IMO. 5-5 or 10-10 against the best in the world is good if you ask me.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Apr 13, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John, I get these are all opinion’s, but you tend to state opinion as fact, you think Hermona will win, not “Herman WILL win.”
by kevin on Apr 13, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you know the fight game as well as I do, then all your predictions would be facts as well! hahahaha just joking, dont flame me for that comment guys.
Excuse my grammar n sh*T! I do a lot of my posting while I am in class, and I just post quickly without proof reading because I am trying to post and listen to my teachers at the same time. Thats why I make all the mistakes that I do on a daily basis.
by john on Apr 13, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this will be a good fight. the ufc will be letting the loser of this go.
by COR on Apr 13, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well expect to get cut then. The Crow has always been one of my favorite (so there to all of you who think I hate Canadians!)
by kevin on Apr 13, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally dumb question, so forgive me in advance. In canada are black people ever referred to as african-canadians, as they are referred to as african-americans here in the U.S.? I know there are several Canadian maniacs, so I figured I would ask.
by James S on Apr 13, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOLOL, bro that is going to be my new facebook status some day. HAHA
by bobby o'shea on Apr 13, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol I hate that term. dave mathews and that blonde chick from the movie “monster” are from africa…and white. black people are just like me…people!
by kevin on Apr 13, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even the dude from “The Mummy”lol oh and Trevor Prangley,I think her name was Charleze Theron(Horrible spelling)is really from Africa….didnt know that lol.
by NM on Apr 13, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
south africa.. that’s because as all of you should know the white ppl from Holland and England came in and took over back in the day.. there are alot of white ppl in south africa
by RoB on Apr 13, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and most of the other African countries are french colonies..
by RoB on Apr 13, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Canada we are wearing too many parkas and ski masks to tell if anyone is black.
If it did thaw out long enough to go around without ski goggles, we would all apologize profusely to the black dude for whatever transgressions our neighbors to the south may have inflicted upon him and his ancestors… and then we’d invite him into our snow caves for some whale blubber.
by Jeremyjackson on Apr 13, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn!what wrong with you all tonight?First,Jackson i hope that’s a joke!Otherwise I can’t believed that you are a canadian and says something stupid like that unless that your living in Nunavut(province in the north of Canada where you MAY found igloo).Second,as for the ethnic peoples they are just call by their origin place or canadians.Ex.The crow is Haitian,well they are names Haitians community or Canadian,not Canadian/Haitian.Same thing for the African.
by Alpha Male 360 on Apr 13, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Alpha Male, I’m from British Columbia, a part of Canada where sarcasm and a sense of humor are easily detected by the indigenous population. You must be from Alberta.
by Jeremyjackson on Apr 13, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No im from Quebec!glad that was sarcasm,it just that i went to school in Alabama and a lots of peoples realy think that Canadians live in f..king igloo.Thats why i was a little upset.Sorry nothing personal.
by Alpha Male 360 on Apr 13, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Nunavut is a territory, not a province.
by Egads on Apr 13, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alpha Male people think Canadians live in egloo’s just like Im from Hawaii and people think we live in grass shacks and eat coconut’s all the time.
by NM on Apr 14, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like Im from Hawaii and we all live in Grass shacks overe here.
by NM on Apr 14, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL I would think so?But the Crow is Haitian…So I guess Haitian Canadian IDK LMFAO!!
by NM on Apr 13, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is kinda why I posed the question. a buddy of mine got laid off recently. Black man of cuban decent. I was telling my wife about it, and she had made a comment about how he is the only african american that I work with, he could propbably make a case.. blah,blah blah. and i thought it was funny that she was trying to be respectful and call him african-american, but he is actually just american and cuban-american if anything.
by James S on Apr 13, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, kinda sucks but yes, he has a case!
by kevin on Apr 13, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um No, not that I have ever heard. And that’s not a dumb question by the way. To be honest, I think that, as Canadians, we feel like it would be rude to assume that said black person’s ancestry is specifically African. I mean geeze, what if they’re Jamaican or something? One wouldn’t want to offend. ;)
by Canucklehead on Apr 13, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know most people that are what you black, don’t seem to have the need to say that they are “African” anything up here, they know where they are from and as Canucks we respect that and treat all races as equals. We are so nice eh, but like everwhere there are racist idiots, but we seem to have a very small percentage in the true north.
by bigmcmac on Apr 13, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heres how i describe it. if someone asked who Mark(the name of the black guy i knew) was, and he was standing in the middle of a room of white guys, i would describe him as the black guy just over there. if there were more than one i would describe him as the fat black or short black guy over there. if there were alot of black guys, then i would be lost. but in western canada that will almost never happen. in canada most black people arent offended by the term black, for that is what they are. no more offended than i would being called white. its not a racsist term, its a physical definition.
by Egads on Apr 13, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
p.s. i got the african/haitian/quebecois/canadian whooping some ass. GnP tko
by Egads on Apr 13, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read a article awhile back that his name is Crow because he is Black and Loiseau means bird in french,true?
by NM on Apr 14, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of context but hey Kevin didnt you say you were going to watch the Sox play the a’s this week?
by lokie on Apr 13, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, going wed. had tix to all 3 games 6 rows behind sox dugout
by kevin on Apr 13, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kick his ass, Loiseau!
Start saving up those food stamps right now, Ed!
by Jeremyjackson on Apr 13, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He should’ve got the decision against Belcher. I thought he won it.
by Jono on Apr 13, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
same, but i dont know if any of you keep of with loiseau’s recent fights and he hasnt been looking like the old crow. neither of these guys are upper echelon but if i had to pick id take the crow because im a canadian
by Jared on Apr 13, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man I hope they make the same announcement before mac danzigs next fight! I know Mac reads this site, so come back with something funny mac, like you could kick my ass…very original I may say!
by kevin on Apr 13, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mac wont get cut he won the show
by randy murders on Apr 13, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am right there with you ,Kevin.I am tired of him running his over rated mouth.He needs to learn how to shut up until he can win another fight
by scott on Apr 13, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he won a show…so he can’t get cut for underachieving???
by kevin on Apr 13, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Ed can pull it off. this is a tough fight for him thats for sure.
by belfort_fan on Apr 13, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad news Kev. I hear the fight between Vera/Hammil will be moved from UFC 101 to UFC 102…I hope I am wrong! I want to see Hammil get LIt up!
by john on Apr 13, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope kev they wont let a TUF winner go they wanna build them up and sell the show and make more money
by randy murders on Apr 13, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sucks John. I got to start saving. I’m a budgeter, hate to take out of savings. I’ll send money in a few weeks, but will sacrifice something to do it. Kinda lame, but thats how you keep money you got i guess!
by kevin on Apr 13, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a Mac hater.
I thought he gave that pussy Blake the tongue-lashing he deserved on TUF. That kid was a poser and faked that knee injury. He made Richie friggin’ hightower look like Bruce Lee in that fight, and folded like a lawn chair the second he felt contact.
Yeah, Mac comes off as a little arrogant sometimes, but I respect his choice of living a vegan lifestyle. I think it’s a sad state of affairs when he gets hated on on these boards because he respects animal rights. I’m not a vegetarian but I admire and understand those who are. Check out a slaughterhouse some time, it’s disturbing.
And he’s a pretty damn good fighter. Huggy Bear didn’t do shit to Mac, I don’t believe in awarding points for lay ’n pray.
Compared to some of the other douchebags that came out of TUF, Mac’s OK in my book.
by Jeremyjackson on Apr 13, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont have that much of a problem with Mac either. I will admit to watching Mach Sakurai KO’ing his head off about 100 times. lol
Mac is a better fighter then half the fighters produced from TUF so I dont hate on him, and he is from PA….but god is he a douche! Remember him sticking up for Andy “The k-1 striker” Wang? LMAO
by john on Apr 13, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, Wang sucks. Those guys were friends or training partners though, right? That’s probably what that was all about.
by Jeremyjackson on Apr 13, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mac was one of the only fighters on that show that wasn’t the typical, get drunk and smash stuff douche. I thought he was a refreshing change and he’s had no breaks from the UFC all his fights have been tough.
by ShaiZ on Apr 13, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol no, he was an eat only veggies vegan douche…I’ll take the alcoholics!
by kevin on Apr 13, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wont be sorry to see him go! hope the Crowe drops him on his head!
by jet99 on Apr 13, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Herman’s good, and i like him a lot. He was 50-50 with Belcher, and could have gotten the decision, and he did better against Damien Maia than either Sonnen or Quarry.
But as a good Canadian I gotta root for The Crow.
If Herman gets cut, he’ll be back in within a year.
by pancake head on Apr 13, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand all the Ed Herman hate on this post. Win or lose he brings it, and his fights are generally entertaining. He’s a fighter, and as fight fans, isn’t that what we ask of those we watch? Regarding his losses, his one consistent problem has been recklessly falling into submissions. I expect his fight with The Crow to be a good one.
by CL on Apr 13, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly i was rooting for him in the belcher fight
by Jared on Apr 13, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After the crow sends short fuse packing i wonder if dana white will contenplate his choice of giving herman a contract after he lost to grove in the tuf finale
by See What Had Happend Was !!!! on Apr 13, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless your name is Houston Alexander, in which case you can lose three fights where you get demolished in round 1 and still stay in, or even worse, if your name is Patrick Cote you can lose 4 in a row and stay in and even get put into a title shot because the UFC is so desperate to find Middleweight contenders.
by sdow on Apr 13, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
??? Cote’s never lost four in a row. He lost 2 in a row BACK IN 2005.
Since then he went 7-2, losing the TUF final to Lutter, and then the injury in his title fight. Betweeen those two losses he WON FIVE IN A ROW.
Nice fact checking sdow.
by pancake head on Apr 13, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually you apparently are a Cote Nuthugger because I did check. Go to UFC.com go to the fighters tab and go to cote. You will see that he lost 4 IN A ROW. Ortiz, Doerksen, Leben, and finally, Lutter.
by sdow on Apr 13, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
go to cote’s wikipedia page for his FULL FIGHT RECORD. ufc.com only lists his ufc fights.
he NEVER LOST 4 IN A ROW.
by pancake head on Apr 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cote never lost 4 in a row, he lost 4 times inside the octagon but they were not 4 consecutive losses and after losing to lutter, he rattled off impressive wins vs. smith, day, grove, mcfedries, and almedia ….so he deserved that title shot
by wm133 on Apr 13, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cote DID lose four in a row. Check UFC.com. He lost to Ortiz, Doerksen, Leben and finally Lutter. He then won 4 in a row before he got a title shot.
by sdow on Apr 13, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ufc.com’s fight history only lists ufc fights. he won his next fight after losing to ortiz. then he lost back-to-back against deorkson and leben. THEN HE WAS CUT. then he won two in a row against macdonald and mahood. THEN HE WAS BROUGHT BACK FOR TUF. Lost to Lutter. then won four in a row.
find cote’s wikipedia page for his full record. not just ufc fights, and then conclude UFC never let him go after losing two in a row.
by pancake head on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say rematch grove for a loser leaves fight.
by kmoney on Apr 13, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grove already had to deal with this situation. He tko’d Day to save his job.
by lokie on Apr 13, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i pray we see the crow who walked into the cage vs. tanner and mccarthy and not the one who walked in the cage with swick
by wm133 on Apr 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
aww man the crow that fought swick was terrible, on the dvd he was like ‘’yeah man it was a fight i won 2 rounds’’ i like ur arse lol.
by ruan-fiy on Apr 13, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Ed! U should have never recieved a contract!
by xxBAxx816 on Apr 13, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like the man’s confidence. I don’t know who to root for… I never want to root against someone who could lose their job if they lose the fight.
by ShitleTot.com on Apr 13, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ed herman is sooooooooooooo overrated…or at least was.
by B_Hos on Apr 13, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know. i’ve gotta see the crow at the weigh ins. if i recall, the last time i saw him he looked really fat.
by JB on Apr 13, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
herman beat belcher, iwas there in omaha, i don’t know how they gave that fight to belcher, they should not cut herman, he fought tough against demian maia and alot of the time he controlled maia, which not many people in that division could do
by sam on Apr 13, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope they bring Shonie Carter too guest referee and they knock each other out and they release both guys.
by Dayzah on Apr 13, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
herman is getting cut, he thinks hes way better than he is and i hopefully the crow brings his a game and sends him packing…
by markg on Apr 13, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Herman has been exposed. He never was that good, and was nothing more than a big mouth. Same as Kendall Grove. I cant see his place in the UFC. He’s never going to be a contender or anywhere near it. Not even a gate keeper, and theres not much point having a TUF alumni fighting and losing fights on undercards and UFNs.
Chop chop chop…
by UK_Chris on Apr 14, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most of you guys dont have a clue about mma. David Loiseau did not match-up good with a very tough and talented grappler like Ed Herman. It takes mma skill to defend against the strengths the “Crow” brings to the ring. Herman wouldn’t mind going standup just to prove a point , like he did with Belcher. But this " loose and leave " pressure forces a fighter to minimize risk of defeat. Herman put a controlled pounding on the very fighter you all said would destroy him. That takes talent and versatility. It’s referred to as “well rounded” in the mma. Maybe you should talk to mma professionals that have trained with him or fought him. You would get the same response from all…he deserves to fight in the UFC and my bet is you will have many years ahead to continue hating the “Shortfuse” as he continues to mature and improve on a very solid career.
by Jimbo on Apr 19, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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