BJ Penn files formal complaint with NSAC against Georges St. Pierre over UFC 94 greasing controversy
by Jesse Holland on Mar 11, 2009 2:50 PM EDT
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UFC lightweight champion BJ Penn filed a formal complaint against Georges St. Pierre with the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) on Monday, requesting that "Rush" be penalized for allegedly greasing his body between rounds of their championship title fight held at UFC 94 on Jan. 31 from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, according to MMAWeekly.com.
Here's a snip:
"It is Penn’s belief… that the strategies were intentional and were orchestrated by Pierre as a means to unfairly and illegally defeat Penn in a regulated and sanctioned championship bout that prohibits the aforementioned conduct and that such calculated actions by Pierre were implemented as a means to prevent Penn from defending himself in a manner consistent with that contemplated in unarmed combat due to the highly and unnaturally slippery nature of Pierre during the bout."
During the main event of ‘St. Pierre vs. Penn 2,’ cornerman Phil Nurse applied Vaseline to the back and shoulders of Georges St. Pierre, which is prohibited under the current rules of the sport. Ringside officials noticed the petroleum jelly on the backside of the Canadian and sprung into action, wiping him down with towels after rounds two and three.
"Rush" isn’t giving excuses for the incident, saying it was just a minor mistake caused by the between-round frenzy and was part of a breathing technique. UFC President Dana White — who is taking the issue very seriously — has since blamed "stupid" cornermen (Greg Jackson and Phil Nurse) for the infraction.
Penn — who was dominated by the Canadian for four straight rounds before he was unable to answer the bell for the fifth and final frame -- recently requested that the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) investigate St. Pierre and his corner for "greasing" during their main event fight.
Now he's made it official with a formal complaint -- and he's seeking some pretty hefty punishment for the St. Pierre group including:
- A fine of $250,000
- Suspension of St. Pierre’s license as well as the licenses of Jackson and Nurse
- Change the result of the bout to a "no contest"
- Require St. Pierre undergo a pre-bout shower to make sure no substances exist on his body
Penn is requesting a formal hearing from the NSAC to decide on an appropriate course of action. Whether or not the infractions on the part of St. Pierre were intentional or just a case of carelessness is for the commission to decide. Until then, it looks as though we'll be mired in 'Greasegate' for days and weeks to come.
Joy.
More on this situation as it develops.
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Good for Penn, I think GSP has been a little cheating sneak for a while now…whether he lotions up before hand or whatever. None of the other victims(hughes, or sherk) had the guts to call him out and give him what he deserves. I used to be a GSP fan, not anymore.
by ja434650 on Mar 11, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BSP greased, it was unintentional, BJ lost
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by kevin on Mar 11, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I officialy lost all respect to B.J Penn, what a fucking douche bag, those charges are never gonna go through hes only making himself look like a jackass, change the result bout to No Contest?? AHAHAHA he got his ass whopped, I wish they would have a rematch because GSP will fuck his shit up!!
by N-Cryptic on Mar 11, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ got his a** handed to him. He never had a chance to begin with.BJ,Get over it! You lost!Stop acting like a spoiled rich boy before you have no fans left!You lost my respect!
by Charlie Sharlow on Mar 11, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bj is the biggest fag in mma,god this guy will never shut his fat head up!!i hope kenflo beats the sh*t outta him and i wonder what excuse he will have then!!!!!!
by NM on Mar 11, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pud thanks for proving my point, this investingation is a good thing since no one can read GSP’s mind so it COULD be intentional
by ja434650 on Mar 11, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you guys know that he’s gonna go to the death. He’s not gonna stop.
by NameNotRequired on Mar 11, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im gonna go to the death! /with my excuses and bullsh*t/!!!!! what a crybaby loser, how does anyone like this guy?
by brendan on Mar 11, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol this is such a non-issue its ridiculous… only die hard BJ Penn nuthuggers are putting any substance behind these fruitless allegations and think it may have changed the outcome of the fight, anyone with an objective opinion knows that penn was absolutely owned in that fight and GSP could have been wearing a velcro suit and penn would not have submitted him… end of story!
by brendan on Mar 11, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just when I think BJ can’t stoop any lower, he pulls this shit. What a loser, I have no respect for this bozo what so ever. BJ you forgot to ask for the death penalty. Like Brendan said, how can anyone like this clown.
by Gord on Mar 12, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumors have it GSP has BJ Penn caught greasing!? And were waiting to see what was going to unfold before they did anything, I can’t wait to see the little baby caught. I guess they have BJ’s corner men caught on tape putting grease on BJ’s ice bag that they rub on his back? they have many other fighters as well on tape and if one falls they all fall?
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu122/mindcrime9/Hughes-Greaser.gif
1111
by Beaver on Mar 12, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What pisses me off is that after all the sh*t talking BJ did, GSP still went over to him after his little weak @ss didnt come out to fight, hugged and told him to keep his head up. That he would learn from the loss and come back stronger! GSP still gave him some respect and the (real b*tch) pulls this crap!
by JV on Mar 12, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. I have lost all respect for Penn. I was clinging to what little I had left for dear life, but after this I am just disgusted. It is one thing to ask the NSAC to look into it, but what he is asking now is just insane. Look at that laundry list of demands. A $250,000 dollar fine! Not to mention the no contest bs. At the end of the day B.J. quit on the stool, and now he can’t take it.
by naturalshadow on Mar 12, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you you know BJ Penn is a hermaphrodite? Explains a lot.
by Puck Head on Mar 12, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope BJ loses to Ken-Flo and Diego and then quits
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Mar 11, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole greasing thing happened after round 2. BJ, you got you ass kicked badly in round 2 before the greasing! How can you possibly see the fight as a no contest? BJ is acting like a spoiled rich kid who is crying.
by ProKev on Mar 11, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he also had oils on that did not come up till he sweated. why wer BJ’s legs sliding? Plus in round one BJ did not go down despte short grabbing.
by hatteras on Mar 11, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its called basing yourself and keeping your posture up, which GSP did perfectly… cant get submissions on a guy if he is sitting up like that and keeping his head up… enough with the excuses, admit defeat and save what dignity is left… oh wait, there isnt any, we should just send BJ some razor blades and some bubble bath liquid and maybe we wont have to hear anymore of this
by brendan on Mar 11, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hatteras, there is no rule that says you cannot bathe in oil the day before the fight. That’s a smart way to get yourself slick legally. That way when you start sweating, the oils come out and you can be slick and still have perfectly followed the rules. The trouble was that his corner put the grease on him between rounds 2 and 3. But after round 2, the fight was pretty much over!
BJ needs to stop crying!
by ProKev on Mar 12, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
-A fine of $250,000
-Suspension of St. Pierre’s license as well as the licenses of Jackson and Nurse
-Change the result of the bout to a "no contest"
-Require St. Pierre undergo a pre-bout shower to make sure no substances exist on his body
Man, If I were GSP I would be pissed. Everyone, except those swinging from BJ’s nuts, know the greasing wasn’t intentional. That’s some serious cash. Also, his camp could be significantly affected if Jackson loses his license. If I were GSP I would be hoping for one more fight with BJ. BJ would get the ass-whooping of the century.
by RealDrew on Mar 11, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a picture is worth 1,000 words, now show a picture of BJ trying to get his legs up near the shoulders of GSP while in the guard. and watch them slide on down.
by The Slovak on Mar 12, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that BJ has every right to file a complaint against GSP. I also hope that it leads to a rematch. I would love to see GSP beat BJ to a pulp again.
by DrPepper on Mar 11, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rermatch!! I would love to see BJ get his ass spanked again.
by Beaver on Mar 12, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it makes penn look like a lil bitch. either way, penn got beat in the stand up. but whatever…..as long as they both keep fighting i dont give a FCUK!!!
On a side note:
I hat Koschek too…..that cabbage patch looking FCUKER!! i’m glad he got beat!
by The5thBeatle on Mar 11, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn you are a punk before the fight you were running your mouth around this place about how bj was gonna destroy GSP and now you’re talking smack on him!! you dirty pothead!!
by Gina's triangle chokes dummy :) on Mar 12, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah so what! ima still run my mouth!
U aint gotta be sayin’ that…that aint nice. I am a pothead….I think many people here would agree with me…and join me in a blaze if they could!
by The5thBeatle on Mar 12, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG! Somebody please get BJ in for therapy. Does anyone advice him on these things or is the only person who thinks it would have made any difference. After reading the GSP team response to the NSAC I agree with them it was a mistake but it was not a substantial amount of vaseline either way. BJ is making himself look like such a douchebag. Move on already, the steps have already been taken to prevent this from happening again.
Lets see some more great fights!
by Curtioso on Mar 11, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he has every right to do. And at least he has the balls to follow through if he truly believes his allegations. I am sick of hearing Sherk and Hughes in their own passive agressive way bitch about but the say but we didnt complain after the fight because we’re men and we take losses like men. You can’t have it both ways. Now, because BJ has the balls to do something about it, they finally say something. I, for one, applaud BJ’s camp for this move. It looks like sour grapes but it is the right thing to do.
by Boom Goes the Dynamite! on Mar 11, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It shouldn’t be assumed that the GSP team is telling the truth. It’s pretty easy to lie and sound good.
by ja434650 on Mar 11, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s even easier to use a little common sense, then you would realize that a grappler (GSP) DOESN’T want to be splippery. If GSP greased it would fuck up his own game. Only a moron would think vasoline works one way. It doesn’t matter which guy it is on, when bodies touch it is EAQUALLY slippery for both guys. GSP didn’t seem to have a problem (getting traction) throwing all these grease crying whiners around like rag dolls, yet they somehow did. Grease doesn’t discrimminate (make one suface slippery and the other not), so how has GSP always been able to control these guys if he was so slippery. The answer is simple, he’s just WAAAAAAAY better then them and they had to grasp at straws just to appease their fragile egos and justify getting OWNED like never before.
by Gord on Mar 12, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if GSP is lying? Bj has the right to investigate…he certainly shouldn’t simply take the word of GSP’s team.
by ja434650 on Mar 11, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course GSP could be lying. So could Jackson. So could everyone else. But the only way this will stick is if they can prove GSP intended to cheat. Unfortunately, they can’t.
by pud333 on Mar 11, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they have GSP’s camp on video or audio setting forth the strategy to grease before or during the fight, there is no way to prove GSP or his camp intentionally violated the rules. BJ can’t prove without a reasonable doubt that GSP or his camp intentionally violated the commission’s rules.
Moreover, to request that the fight be ruled a “no contest” is not consistent with BJ’s remarks that GSP was the better fighter. Further still, to request the suspension of a fighter’s license is grossly unrealistic since BJ can’t prove without a reasonable doubt the intention to violate the commission’s rules.
I assume the fine is payable to the commission and I see no issue with requiring a fighter to take a pre-fight shower. However, the pre fight shower will do nothing in regards to this specific fight since the greasing took place during the fight and is evident on video.
by Jeff on Mar 11, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOTE TO ALL:
Look at this situation and hearing as you would a court case. What other fighter say (Sherk, Hughes, et al) is speculation and heresy. Thus, it is not relevant to the evidence before the commission, mainly the video evidence during the bout and the commission representatives present during the bout. Don’t fool yourselves, those reps are there to provide relevant information to the commission during any hearings. Information that is viewed by and from someone with intimate knowledge of the commission opinions on the matter.
by Jeff on Mar 11, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong on this but I find it hard to believe that you must prove a violation of a NSAC offense. That standard of proof is reserved for criminal offenses. So before you get your panties in a bunch and start making all these inferences and broad generalizations about what the Penn Camp can and cannot prove, why don’t you just wait and see what kind of circumstantial evidence they have to prove their allegations. Before you make all these assumptions and rush to judgment, why don’t you just take a seat buddy. That is what the commission is there for.
by Boom Goes the Dynamite! on Mar 11, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boom,
First, why do you find it hard that you must prove a violation of NSAC offense? If there is no evidence of an offense, what violation occurred? Your premise is flawed.
Second, I don’t wear panties. Thus, I can’t have my panties in a bunch. However, thank you for your concern.
Third, if the Penn camp has some reliable bombshell, what are they waiting for? If there is something they can prove, why have they not laid out the evidence in their formal compliant? Mind you this was written by Penn’s lawyer.
Fourth, the only assumption I make is that there is no evidence that proves GSP greased prior to the fight or that he ingested some greasing agent. Please see paragraph three, above.
Fifth, I’m not rushing to judgment. GSP and his camp violated the greasing rule in the octagon. To date, there is no evidence of any other violation.
Sixth, I’m currently sitting. Again, thank you for your concern.
Seventh, I’m not your buddy. I’m a guy you know on the internet from mmamania.
by Jeff on Mar 11, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was prove a NSAC violation beyond a reasonable doubt which I find unlikely. But there you go getting all excited again. But thanks for the list.
by Boom Goes the Dynamite! on Mar 11, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not excited about anything. I’m trying to engage you in a constructive debate. I used a basic debate technique, not a list. You provided me with several points and I provided you with a rebuttal to each point.
Further, the accusations of premeditated cheating and the ingestion of a greasing agent need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
For the purpose of our debate, let us say you have used language that violates the rules of this website. This is evidence that is in the public domain, not unlike the video of GSP. Even with that public knowledge, that Boom uses/used language that violates the rules of the website, I can’t claim that your use of said language is attributed to your premeditated plan (let us assume that Mania imposes a more sever punishment for this behavior) to verbally attack me and that you have ingested some substance which makes you a prolific verbal assailant. Mania would not ban you for 6 months because of my unsupported claim that you have premeditated your actions and ingested some verbal jousting agent.
My point is, what other fighters say is irrelevant and heresy to this particular NSAC case. Further, BJ is implying premeditated cheating and the ingestion of a yet untested agent, both very difficult to prove.
by Jeff on Mar 11, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you are stating is all clear. We don’t know what proof he has or how he got to the allegations of GSP ingesting something. Aside from that, certainly, we have no idea whether there was a “premeditated” plan to cheat. However, I don’t think that you have to prove premeditation in this case to prove that cheating occurred. It may take a finding of intent on GSP’s part to hold him in violation of the rules. However, I don’t think it would take such a finding to fine/suspend his corner men. Many penalties can be levied in a civil context, of which this is more akin to then a criminal one, based on negligence not intent. That is to say, the offender knew or should have known that his actions were in violation of a rule. Here, I would argue strongly that GSP’s corner at the very least should have known that applying vaseline to GSP’s back in between rounds of a fight was improper. I would also argue, less strongly, that GSP himself, an experienced MMA fighter, should have known that this conduct was improper. Therefore, it is by no means a stretch to say that some, if not all, of these guys should be found culpable. I understand your arguments about intent/premeditation, I’m just not sure that such a high standard is required for fines or suspension by NSAC.
by Boom Goes the Dynamite! on Mar 12, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with your above statement. Both GSP and his corner should have enough knowledge re: the rules of the NSAC to know that they were in violation of said rules while in the octagon.
Does this warrant a suspension? That is up to the commission.
My issues is with people basing their belief, in part, that GSP is guilty off of other fighters statements. Hence the heresy argument. My other issue is with the formal complaint stating that GSP ingested something. How can the commission rule on something with, to date, absolutely no evidence, and still be upholding their rules in good faith?
by Jeff on Mar 12, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FCUK this whiny shit! i just wanns see both of them fight whoever!
P.S.
Smoke weed everyday!!!
by The5thBeatle on Mar 11, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put the screws to em’ BJ. GSP and his corner were scared of the “X-facter” that BJ brings to every fight. BJ’s mind is on a diferent level in the heat of the moment.
by Nokimono on Mar 11, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ’s mind is on a different level?! BJ’s mind was on another planet during that fight. He brought NOTHING to the table to beat GSP. If they fight 40 more times, GSP wins 40 times. BJ’s a whiny quitter. Own it.
by pancake head on Mar 11, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The X-factor you speak of is the Xcuse factor. No matter how BJ loses, he’ll have an “Xcuse” for that too.
by GodDamnMike on Mar 11, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh guys,
He’s being sarcastic.
Or at least, I certainly hope he is =X.
by ShaiZ on Mar 11, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get the comments about how BJ is such a crybaby over a clear rule break. Right now, we have
a) Video proof without a shadow of a doubt that the greasing occurred
b) multiple fighters (sherk, hughes, miller) suggesting it has been done before
c) The NSAC themselves witnessing the act
Now, don’t get me wrong on one thing. I think GSP would have won anyway. But that’s now how these things are judged. what if you think Sylvia would have beaten Ricco anyway? Someone breaks the rules and juices, and everyone crucifies them. Yet if someone has a foreign substance put on them multiple times, in sight of everyone and video taped to be beyond a shadow of a doubt that it happened, it is being a crybaby.
I’m really curious as to how this isn’t a big deal to some people. His corner put Vaseline on him multiple times, even sneaking it past the guys from the NSAC after they told them to get rid of it. They then claimed they were putting it on him as part of a voodoo ritual, among the stupidest excuses i’ve ever heard, and everyone has his side on it. Talk about some serious bias
I’m sure the same people giving BJ shit on this were up in arms over Akiyama getting his win taken away vs Sakuraba. In that case Akiyama’s entire purse was forfeit, and 2 officials were fined (1 suspended for 6 months) over the incident. Sounds to me like actions in response for a serious breach in the rules.
by yohnstoppable on Mar 11, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a clear rule violation, as the rule states only that “excessive” amounts of vaseline are prohibited. The NSAC wiped off GSP and Nurse’s hands to their satisfaction, which is the resolution to these issues.
There’s also video evidence of other fighters corner men wiping grease on their bodies as well. This was never an issue before until BJ and Camp Yes Men started looking for excuses.
There’s even video of UFC employee Stitch Duran wiping grease on the body of a fighter. If a pro like Stitch is doing the same, it’s further evidence that this happens incidentally all the time.
Your lame attempts at characterizing Nurse’s breathing techniqe as voodoo are sad at best. It’s a documented technique used by Randy Couure, Sean Sherk, and others.
by Hardcharger on Mar 11, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“incidentally” or accidentally???
Like I said below, big surprise that all the GSP fans condone cheating and/or incompetence.
by BNF on Mar 11, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either.
Funny how you want to refer to it as cheating, yet can’t produce any evidence to back up your lame accusations. Funny yet predictable.
by Hardcharger on Mar 11, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can start with the picture at the top of the page.
by BNF on Mar 11, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Lets start with that picture of a closed vaseline jar being held by Phil Nurse.
Bottom line is all of you fail. GSP owned BJ PENN
by Brandon on Mar 11, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Funny how you want to refer to it as cheating, yet can’t produce any evidence to back up your lame accusations. Funny yet predictable.”
Did the corner not wipe Vaseline on GSP’s shoulders? yes, they did. Is that not against the rules? Yes, it is. Case closed. They did something against the rules, there is video evidence that they did something against the rules. What the FUCK is there for me, or others, to prove?
This is black and white, clear as crystal. What the hell do you GSP nuthuggers need? He broke the rules. The NSAC KNEW he broke the rules. They went into the octagon on MULTIPLE occasions to wipe the shit off GSP in the fight. I feel like this is some kind of joke, because there is no way people can be this retarded/biased. It is so obvious a blind downie could figure it out, yet people just say “no, the video evidence doesn’t exist! plugs ears doesn’t exist! NANANANANANA LALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!!”
As far as it being accidental or not, suuuuuure. Let’s just forgive Roger Clemens, because he really totally for sure thought the trainer was giving him B12, just like he said.
As far as the “voodoo techniques” go, Jackson said it was a fucking voodoo technique. He said he can’t explain it, that it was some kind of voodoo that rubbing GSP’s shoulders helped him breathe, which is dumb. He basically said it was magic, because there is no logical reason to rub his shoulders in that way, especially multiple times with vaseline on his hands.
Keep arguing against the obvious proof, though. It’s amusing to see how dense you GSP nuthuggers are. The fact that steroid tests, which only measure levels of testosterone and can be messed up, are taken at 100% accuracy, yet video proof catching someone in the act of cheating multiple times isn’t… yeah, people are just dumb.
by yohnstoppable on Mar 12, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay buddy lets just see what the NSAC is going to do. Thats right nothing.
by Brandon on Mar 12, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yohnstoppable – http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu122/mindcrime9/Hughes-Greaser.gif
I’d argue with you though you seem to know it all and perhaps be in the legal field.. Besides its also sort of counter productive to convince an idiot they’re being an idiot isn’t it really?
Speaking of counter productive.. The application of some type of lubricant to one’s person considering transfer from contact making your opponent slippery..
by ArmChairMMA on Mar 12, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree wtih you I think BJ Penn is taking a stand for BJJ guys that have had their talents stiffled for too long with greasers and oil bathers.
by derreckla on Mar 12, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny how Maia never encounters these problems you mention. Face it only the WHINERS have problems and GSP is a grappler also. It baffels me how so many can’t see the glaring problem here. If GSP were to grease it would HINDER his game more than anything. The reason GSP could get traction on Penn and all the other whiners, is because he never has greased and that tiny insignificant (much less than what would aready be there from the fight) amount was just that, insignificant. BJ ate huge leather (he said himself he was out on his feet in the 2nd round)and gassed, a tiny bit of vas had nothing to do with it. If Nurse would have gave his hands a half assed wipe on a towel (that wouldn’t do jack shit to that thin coating of vas on his hands)we wouldn’t even be talking about this. That’s how stupid this whole thing is. Corner men do what Nurse did all the time, with only a QUICK (for show mainly) wipe with a towel in between touching the face and body.
by Gord on Mar 12, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ Penn is world renowned for his rubber guard defense much in the way Chuck Liddell is world renowned for his right hand which Rashad Evans appreciated at UFC: 88. One could argue a roll of quarters was taped into Rashad’s gloves if it helps you come to terms with Chuck’s loss?
Relying on one dimension of a given discipline when your opponent attacks you will a diverse range of attacks from several disciplines may account for the perceived stifling of BJJ atleast in BJ Penn’s case OR you could just believe everything said on the interweb blindly… Think for yourself..
by ArmChairMMA on Mar 12, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is BJ also requesting to be IN the shower with GSP to help lather him up? ‘Cause I’m starting to think that BJ has a huge hard-on for GSP.
BJ, as my dad said to me when I whined, DRY UP!!!
by Freddy on Mar 11, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant stand you BJ Penn fans, I hope Florian Kills him and shuts all you guys up
by BMO on Mar 11, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ja434650 is a liar. He never was a GSP fan.
I, of course, was a big BJ Penn fan. Not anymore.
by ftg314 on Mar 11, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ “was” one of my favorite fighters. Not anymore! I have lost ALL respect for BJ Penn. He backed up none of the smack he talked in the primetime show, he has verbally made excuses for his loss, and now he has gone and filed a complaint. What a total loser in life he is!
by Derek on Mar 11, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heres what I say, one side is saying the other was greased up, let them fight again.If BJ wins, then he gets the belt and GSP loses, which would have happened originally.If GSP wins, then the questions are answered. Give both of them one month to prepare, no more lube jobs during the fight, and well see what happens.Am I wrong? anybody tell me I am if you truly think I am!
by coldchill on Mar 11, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should treat this like they do for court in Germany. The loser pays all court costs, so you better know what the f@ck you are doing if you really want to bring up a court case. BJ is just being a little bitch and should suck up his loss like Hughes and esp Sherk did, even if he was greasing. BJ didnt say anything to the ref during the fight so why bitch about it later. If he really had a prob with holding his “rubber” or “high” guard (which he only attemped once or twice) then say something during the fight.
And the athletic commission will never side with BJ because the intervened in between rounds and wiped him down. Therefore they would be saying that they made a mistake during the fight. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
by ehoglund on Mar 12, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get over it already. You got smashed after all that trash talking, and you just need to move on. BJ Penn has went from being one of my 3 favorite fighters in the world, to not being in my top 10.
by LJ on Mar 11, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet that just breaks his heart. I am sure being in “LJ’s TOP 10” is every UFC Fighter’s dream!!
by Preston on Mar 11, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less what BJ Penn thinks, and he can obviously care less about me. WTF does this have to do w/ me losing interest in him as a fighter? You’re a tool Preston.
by LJ on Mar 11, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. He lost, he should get over it already. If he would have just walked away and stayed home for a bit, Penn wouldnt be falling off ppl’s favorites list. GET OVER IT DUDE! YOU LOST!!! ( and i’m a penn fan!)
by The5thBeatle on Mar 11, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what year was this story from? 20th century or 21st century?
by Alex on Mar 11, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he never officially filed a formal complaint to now. This is new. He’s doign this just to set up another big pay day and rematch. We all would much rather see GSP/Anderson Silva then another BJ/GS
P fight.
by horny for gina on Mar 11, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a panzy bitch..get over it.. you got served and handled and face the music
by fistoffury on Mar 11, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ should be banned, terminate his contract. He was planning on walking away after the fight with both belts. Leaving the UFC high and dry.
Screw Penn!
by Canadianmma on Mar 11, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YEAH, I never really thought about it.
How come more people arn’t making a bigger deal out of this?
BJ was going to screw the UFC again and walk away???
Man that would have been terrible for the UFC if that happened……and that was premeditated!
Man just makes you think!
Next time someone wants to fight for BJ Penn, remeber he was ready to quit on you!
by MMAFAN204 on Mar 11, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that would have been great! We would have gotten a year long tournament of top contenders!
how many of todays fighters do you guys think could do the grand prix style like in Japan? and be successful?
by kevin on Mar 11, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kev, my thoughts exactly.
by Buttcrack Obama bin Laden on Mar 11, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW based on your name im going to say your a little biased. The fact is he has the right to file a complaint, thats why they have hearings. Obciously he truely beleives it mattered. Fans just flat out piss me off. He can do what he wants. You people bitch because he filed a complaint. UHH arent you being a quote un quote whinney bitch for complaining about BJ? At least he was in the fight. Bottom line BJ is filing a complaint, get over it. The NSAC will give the final judgment, and if BJ losses and bitches then let him have it. I can only imagine the fans response if they do punish GSP. Then you guys can all talk about how the NSAC is stupid or whatever else you want to bitch about. If you dont like it dont watch MMA, because BJ is following procedures put in place for these kinds of things. HIS RIGHT AS A LISENCED FIGHTER!!!!!
by lokie on Mar 11, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I am from Ontario; Quebec and Ontario are basically two different countries to lots of Canadians, so I am not biased (*see referendum and Party Quebecois for more information.)
Anyways the fact that BJ had his bubble burst about his talent is no reason to go after GSP. IMO this just tarnishes BJs reputation further. No one is disputing whether or not the grease made a difference except for BJ, that tells you he is trying to exploit a technicality.
Honestly if i was BJ i would just let it go and quit
embarrassing myself by bringing up that one sided trouncing again and again.
by Canadianmma on Mar 11, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will somebody put a nipple in that little baby’s coconut mouth. Maybe he’s teething again.
by charlyw on Mar 11, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BI wants GSP SUSPENDED?!! Geez…
Bottom line, BJ gets what he wants (Rich kid syndrome) or he throws a huge fit. (Waa!)
How about a rematch BJ?? Still interested?
…didn’t think so.
by Teep on Mar 11, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s exactly it. Rich kid syndrome. Doesn’t work hard, and expects everything to happen FOR him. Blames everything but himself when it doesn’t.
Grow up BJ.
by pancake head on Mar 11, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know kids who grew up with money, and still have built and worked for everything they have had. BJ’s parents have money, but last time I checked he is making his own money and not living off mom and dad. What should he apologize for his family having money? And lets face it there are poor people in this world that bitch piss and moan and live off the government because they feel like the world is against them, and dont want to work. So the whole rich kid stereo-type is played th FU*K out
by lokie on Mar 11, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhm… okay lokie, so the guy doesnt work a day in his life but decides to fight a little bit, not train much, and that somehow makes him okay in your book? failure
by brendan on Mar 11, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez, give it a rest. Why don’t you ask GSP to give you the belt too?! what a cry baby…
honestly, does he really think the outcome would be that much different?
by Tony on Mar 11, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ got completely pwned and outclassed by a FAR superior athlete. It wasnt even competitive. BJ looked terrible from the first second of round 1 and a rematch would only make BJ look like an even bigger douche. Get over it. The Vas had nothing to do with it – he lacks the SKILL to beat GSP.
by stevo on Mar 11, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you see he wants GSP license and a fight he’s admitted he lost turned into a NC.
Notice he doesn’t ask for a rematch? That seems the most logical decision.
He knows he can’t beat him, and a second trouncing would take any credence to his greasing claims away.
He doesn’t want “justice” he wants revenge.
by ShaiZ on Mar 11, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Shaiz, BJ just wants revenge.
by Gord on Mar 12, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yaawwwwnnnn!!
As quoted by himself in that UFC primetime series before their fight, the “B” in BJ stands for “baby”. Coincidence?
Also stated during that series was that he would go “to the death” against St. Pierre. This from the man who didn’t look very disappointed when his corner threw in the towel.
One and for all, SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
by Crayze on Mar 11, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If gsp has being applying something on his body for a while now (according to sherk and hughes) why is the vaseline needed? And why do it so blatantly when he has devised a fool proof plan for years now and got away with it(again according to those two)? BJ is such a bad sportsman?
by ferg on Mar 11, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bj is a pu$$y! take your beating like a man and shut the f up. i USED to be a bj fan but its certain that even if gsp greased ..it wasnt the reason bj got beat. its like he cant deal with the fact that he lost that someone is better than him. what a punk
by tuffguy01 on Mar 11, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know…I too am tired of hearing it…but anyone that knows MMA or does MMA understands is complaint. He is a ground specialist. He works from the gaurd. If you watch the fight…he had both of his ligs up to GSP’s head and shoulders, and without any movement by GSP, Penn’s legs would slide down. During the first round, Penn was able to control him from the gaurd…after that…well, we all saw it!!
I mean, Penn is calling GSP out…and he did before the fight too…so GSP is a cheater…if the shoe fits…
by Preston on Mar 11, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
have you personally tryed to control someone when your full of sweat? or when your gased? the grease had nothing to do with bj lossing the fight. gsp dominated him in every aspect.
by tuffguy01 on Mar 11, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did the fight even go to the ground in the first round????
by LJ on Mar 11, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name me 1 person BJ has submitted from his guard… Anyone??
by Couchchamp on Mar 11, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody Ever. Some jits specialist. Never used his specialty in an actual fight. Oh except RNC but my 3 year old knows how to administer one of those. Does that make him a black belt too?
by jay on Mar 11, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I love that! “People who understand MMA would know this is serious…”
I like that statement because it’s basically saying
“If you don’t agree with me, you don’t know anything about MMA.”
Bj would never sub Georges from his guard get the hell out of here.
by Brandon on Mar 11, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn`t see GSP put his elbows into his stomach then posture up. I am pretty sure I saw that.
by jsp on Mar 11, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mania, is this real? I thought April Fools Day was still a couple of weeks away!
by Dana's a crossdresser on Mar 11, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow is this seriously still going on? Why can’t bj just come to terms with reality and accept his loss like a man? Quit being a little bitch bj, let it go.
by Dragon on Mar 11, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP is as slippery as a snake. I think he should be made to publicly apologize and be forced into having a rematch with Penn wearing a Gi.
by MMA EXPERT on Mar 11, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great! Then we get to see GSP beat the piss out of Penn while wearing a Gi. Dress GSP in whatever you want, strip him down, wipe him off, shower him up….whatever….the outcome will still be GSP by total domination. And if they fight a third time Penn may die ’cause GSP is going to be more motivated than ever.
by Dugout on Mar 11, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wondering what Adam G’s thoughts are on this… inquiring minds want to know..
by O damn he got caught on Mar 11, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sour grapes. if there is a third fight (groan), there will be something else that BJ complains about after he loses. then again, maybe BJ won’t show up fat to a third fight; probably not.
by JB on Mar 11, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You think if the nasc does’nt do anything that bj will be so pissed that he would walk away from the ufc?
by Dragon on Mar 11, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no, he’ll get over this as soon as he beats kenny
by ja434650 on Mar 11, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt be so sure of that happenening. BJs hype train is almost out of gas. Kenny and Diego are both gunning for this has been/never was.
by baby_eddie on Mar 11, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ja: dude i understand you have an opinion but people really dont wanna hear about how you think B.J. got jobbed. Face it, people are gonna hate him for doing all this bitching. I get the fact that you want to defend your fighter, but hes being a pud right now and you need to understand that and admit it. Randy Couture is my favorite fighter of all time but when he left the UFC i understood that he was being an asshole, and i sure as hell didnt go online and try to defend him over something he was wrong about. Cheating or not BJ is being a cry baby, take your lumps like a man and walk away. Oh and learn to be alittle more humble too.
by Dave on Mar 11, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ should file a complaint against GSP for GSP’s excess training, excess cardio, and excess dedication.
No wonder Penn doesn’t want to fight in June, he’s too busy trying to fabricate more excuses. If he only went to as much trouble to train like he comes up with excuses……….
by Hardcharger on Mar 11, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hold on! No Body Cavity Search. That list is incomplete. What a doucheb*g BJ is.
by ldcpanther on Mar 11, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on BJ!!!!!!!! Accept the loss and move on! Maybe Baby J needs to see a sports psychologist so he can get help dealing with his loss so he can move on. Poor guy.
by Jo on Mar 11, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Kenny beats the living hell out of BJ.
by Razzel on Mar 11, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe that BJ is now pushing the idea that it was entirely orchestrated by GSP himself (rather than a lapse in judgement by his cornermen) and that he has also ingested substances that make his skin more slippery. Come on!? Seriously? I can see the frustration with that acts that GSP’s cornermen took part in during the fight but to go so far as to accuse GSP of eating or drinking something that makes him slippery? That’s purely ridiculous!
Quote from MMAWeekly:
“Penn and his representative also allege that St. Pierre "ingested a substance that would cause his body to become highly and unnaturally slippery during the bout."
Nurse, Jackson trainer Greg Jackson, and the unknown parties are named as co-conspirators to St. Pierre’s use of the agents."
by Chuck on Mar 11, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lapse of judgment? You are telling me that Greg Jackson, a guy coes up with some of the smartest game plans for his fighters, rivaling Randy had a lapse of Judgement? I dont buy it. He has been in the game too long, and how too many high profile fights to not know the rules. So is Jackson a god or a moron? Some people need to make up there minds because I dont buy for a second that Jackson would allow a lapse in Judgment like that. IMO they pushed the rules to see what they could get away with and should pay. (REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUTCOME WAS, OR WOULD HAVE BEEN)
by lokie on Mar 11, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing opinions aren’t actual fact then.. ;)
by ArmChairMMA on Mar 11, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s hilarious logic, since Stitch Duran is on video doing exactly the same thing, rubbing grease on a fighter.
Stitch is as veteran as they come, and is a UFC employee. He’s got zero vested interest in helping one fighter over another, and it would be against his personal interest to help a figther cheat, as he’d be fired by Dana White.
Your false dichotomy just got blown to bits. You’re welcome.
by Hardcharger on Mar 11, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you would like the greasing to continue and have the corner and cut guys proceed as normal. Truely amazing… If Stitch is proven to not know the rules and repeatidly rubs fighters shoulders with grease, then he should absolutly be fired.
Don’t you get it, this will prevent all future incidents because after GSP people will see there will be consequences.
by BNF on Mar 11, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have already cracked down on the greasing. The fact that BJ believes this is a big conspiracy and actually thinks this is going to do anything is the amazing part.
by Brandon on Mar 11, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a complete and utter suck. He even accuses gsp of ingesting something to make him oily, OMG, I can’t believe this. I’m certain the NSAC will groan and roll there eyes after reading his 20 pages of B.S. Penn is becoming the freak show of MMA, he was the man at one time and is soon becoming like michael jackson, an embarrassment to former fans.
The UFC should fire his ass, he’s like cancer to the sport, they have him in his own words saying he would have left his contract if he had won, I would be happy if they released him from his contract and never let him fight in the UFC again. I can’t stand the sight of this turd now, its impossible for me to feel sorry for him he’s the ultamate cry baby and pussy.
Man I remember penn getting boo’d at the weight ins I can only imagine what they would do now, if they showed his mug at some UFC event. If he does fight florian I hope to hell florian somehow outpoints him, god that would be sweet. Penns punishment he’s seeking is completely insane, I guess coming from an extremely eccentric family what can you expect.
by nathan on Mar 11, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PSP! Ponyboy St. Pierre!!! GREASER!!! I bet St.Pierre’s favorite movie is Grease! Change that fight to a no contest because he and his cornermen are cheats.
by xxBAxx816 on Mar 11, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuk B.J wut a dick!! I hope that fight happens again, same results!!!
by jason the duck on Mar 11, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BABY jay, he’s 30 and the name still suites him.
by nathan on Mar 11, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its ammusing how fans can actually call BJ pen crybaby and whinny etc when the guy is a legend and a true warior
I cant wait for the NSAC to do the right thing here and rule this fight a no-contest and gsp will still be the ww champ like he should
by dia mette on Mar 11, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NSAC isnt going to do that. Sorry.
Anthony Johnson didnt get his fight overturned.. Tell me an instance of a fight getting overturned by the NSAC, besides from illegal drug use.
by Brandon on Mar 11, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has gotten way out of hand. Penn is being a sore loser, he should put up or shut up, and he already got his ass kicked, so he should STFU. I wonder if after Florian elbows his way to a bloody victory, that Penn will accuse him of greasing up as well? I guess he’s delaying that fight for as long as possible so he can get his stories straight about GSP. There was the letter, then it was an e-mail, text message or whatever to him, and then to his friend… Maybe Penn should consider writing fiction instead of fighting?
by Belisarius on Mar 11, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
xxBAxx816 is that you bj? Did all that pummelling to your head give you brain damage? Seriously get a cat scan buddy something isn’t right.
by nathan on Mar 11, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dia mette they won’t rule the fight a no contest because according to NSAC rules nothing illegal happened. Sean sherk was CAUGHT using steriods and his win wasn’t ruled a no content, its ridiculous to think this will happen to gsp he won that fight fair and square, completely and convincingly destroying penn in every part of the game.
The cut man stitch can be seen rubbing vas on matt hughes right shoulder, LOL and in rich franklins fight against silva he was lubbed up on his upper body in a very obvious way, google it. I bet there are several times where corner men did such things not realizing what they were doing, but ultra suck penn makes a federal case over it, and the slimers hughes,trigg etc come out of the wood work. I have a feeling this is going to get much uglier before it gets better.
by nathan on Mar 11, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess you condone cheating. No wonder you are a GSP fan.
by BNF on Mar 11, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BNF get over it. Your boy got smoked.
“Litigation to the death, and I am not joking about this.”
by Brandon on Mar 11, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gsp should sue penn for not fighting to the death!!!!
by nathan on Mar 11, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its so funny how Hughes and Sherk who both lost in dominant fashion to GSP are NOW saying that GSP was slick when they fought. Yet other fighters such as Fitch, Kosheck and others who are far better haven’t uttered anything about this nonsense because they know better.
I don’t care what any of you BJ nuthuggers say, GSP did NOT cheat. The vaseline placed on GSP’s back and shoulders was clearly an unintentional mistake made by his corner that had no effect on the outcome of the fight whatsoever.
Listen, if cry-baby jay has the audacity to say this fight should be ruled a no-contest, then EVERY SINGLE fight in the history of the UFC where fighers have vaseline placed on their faces in the beginning of a fight should all be ruled no-contest. That’s how ridiculous this whole greasegate fiasco is. The amount of vaseline that is put on fighter’s face is NO different than the amount that was on GSP’s back and shoulders.
In addition to sweat and rolling with another fighter if a fight is taken to the ground, vaseline will naturally get on both fighters and it doesn’t give either fighter an extra advantage. It’s just part of the sport.
Cry-Baby Jay will forever be remembered as a poor loser and a guy who talks more than he fights. He doesn’t (and never has) put in the work ethic needed to be an elite fighter and athlete and GSP clearly proved it.
by MMA Fanatic on Mar 11, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What makes it even more ridiculous, is that the natural occuring vas and sweat from the fight was wipe off of GSP, so he was less slippery than he would have been in the first place.
by Gord on Mar 12, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ is showing he is a sore looser and trying to make up excuses for his poor performance. He didnt even try to finish the fight…. what a pussy.. nothing but excuses…
by BJ sucks balls on Mar 11, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This really makes me sick, I say GSP should just take his fame and fortune and leave the UFC……F them George, they need you!!! You bring so much positvie attention to the UFC. Just leave and start up your own promotion, this is a joke. One guy who has made excuses for all of his losses, just is a joke. For all who are GSP fans please boycott the next UFC event that has BJ on the card. This had gone far enough and as far as I am concerned if BJ is fighting, Im not paying and will refuse to watch even if its free. I have a hard time believing that BJ can even show his face anywhere anymore. Dana you should jump in and try to contian this little beeacth, you know whats up……do something about. BJ should be suspended or released for all of the negative press he brings to MMA.
by the spyder on Mar 11, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Require St. Pierre undergo a pre-bout shower to make sure no substances exist on his body”
Come the f**k on. That will never work since it would probably mean that every fighter will have to shower before each bout. BJ’s gone from a simple complaint to an attempt to change the entire rulebook.
BJ stop your bitching and instead try to accept the loss or at least file a request for a rematch.
Getting f**king sick and tired of this now.
by Birkanoff on Mar 11, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has lost it, he might as well go ahead with it now because the damaged he has caused is done already.
by the spyder on Mar 11, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If BJ retired right now he would be remembered for throwing in the towel after getting his ass handed to him for 4 full rounds against a man he referred to as a quitter. All of his accomplishments have been completely overshadowed by this loss. Begging for the outcome of this fight to be overturned is just pathetic and is only making him look like an even bigger loser.
by stevo on Mar 11, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bj is jus mad and upset cause he called out gsp and talked trash and got beat down…fat bj should jus go home do us all a favor and kill himself
by juggalomike on Mar 11, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C’mon Kenny…Shut BJ…It’s great being able to say that from the comfort and safety of my home lol.
by RobH86 on Mar 11, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i used to like BJ.
not any more.
what a whiny bitch.
not only did he get his ass handed to him – but if “greasing” really was the issue, why didn’t he attempt to beat GSP in a stand-up/striking war?
all we heard about in the weeks/months leading up to the fight was that BJ was going to kick GSP’s ass – on the ground OR standing. he claimed he going to KO GSP on more than a few occasions.
fact: GSP was kicking BJ’s ass in the striking game.
“greasing” had little (see: nothing) to do with that.
by frank on Mar 11, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW – i seem to remember that BJ -QUIT-, too. couldn’t have changed his gameplan to overcome said “greasing”.
by frank on Mar 11, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the facts are he did its proven there is video and others have said the same and people seen at the event, if ur nut hugger of GSP or bj it still happed… the point is for it now to happen again
by TheMuth on Mar 11, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there is two different stories here. hughes and sherk sound like they are saying he had something on his skin before the fight, which made him slippery when he sweat. whereas bj’s whole argument is that he was putting vassoline on in between rounds. they have conflicting arguments. also, all three of them are saying he cheated, or was slippery, but it didn’t make a difference, he was just the better man.
this whole thing is confusing????? he cheated, but it didn’t make a difference. then why file for a complaint.bring it into the open, but why file a complaint and try and get the decision turned to a no contest.
hughes and sherk are confusing as well. they say they have wrestled there whole lives and all that, and they know what sweat feels like and they think gsp felt slick. but neither one will he greased, just that he felt slick. either say he cheated or say that he didn’t, enough of this in between shit.
by Bass on Mar 11, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ Penn is such a joke, i can’t believe this guy has fans
by Mc on Mar 11, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bj stands 4 baby jay and does she ever whine like a baby. what a true piece of shit.
by neon on Mar 11, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP is a baggadouche dirty fighter.
Illegal strikes and vaseline.
I can’t believe this guy has people fooled into thinking he’s honorable. Punch ’em in the back of the head, Greasy!!!
by KS on Mar 11, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where else can you hit a turtle but in the back of the head.
by MM_Eh on Mar 11, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penn is complaining about grease on GSP’s body right?
Even though there is countless video footage of the Officials employed by the state wiping it off and saying he was fine to continue fighting.
Penn is now filing an official complaint to the SAME state regulatory body, asking them to overturn THEIR desision.
This will NEVER happen, if the state body all of a sudden overturn their desision, they’re basically saying they’re inept at making desisions and officiating in the first place.
by ben on Mar 11, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think he’s complaining because it happened in two consecutive rounds. i would believe it was a mistake the first time. but two rounds in a row is a little hard for me to believe is incidental. i am so pissed at gsp’s corner because he would have won by decision even if he couldn’t have slipped his guard. it’s jackson and nurse’s faults this is even an issue. i hope they don’t suspend gsp, but his corner should be given some kind of punishment for their stupidity. then maybe bj shuts up and starts training like he should be instead of doing this crap.
by Buttcrack Obama bin Laden on Mar 11, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fitch and Koschek spent a lot of time rolling with GSP, both in the top and bottom positions. Have they ever commented on the story?
Just curious.
by RedRavi7 on Mar 11, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, Fitch has stated he felt nothing, and Koscheck said he lost because GSP was better. No greasing excuses from either of them.
by Matt on Mar 11, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If BJ is so sure GSP cheated, just lay it down in the ring one more time and settle it. Otherwise STFU.
by UFC Champ on Mar 11, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too bad GSP didnt fuqqing kill bIowjob penn when he had the chance in the octagon.
by Lester the Pimp on Mar 11, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How could he when his corner thru in the towel? (To BJ’s relief!) LOL!
by UFC Champ on Mar 11, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bj is a warrior? That’s odd… Can’t remember the last warrior that quit
by Phil on Mar 11, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know what is more pathetic him post fight, pre fight or during the fight. But one thing is fore sure BJ Penn is %100 pathetic. I want to meet you so I can get the money back I spent on your t-shirt years ago, Fuck you Bro!
by Torrescantbebeat on Mar 11, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Give me a freakin break….BJ lost fair and square. Instead of being a man about it he’s makin excuses. Give it up BJ u got ur ass beat.
by james smith on Mar 11, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Give me a freakin break….BJ lost fair and square. Instead of being a man about it he’s makin excuses. Give it up BJ u got ur ass beat.
by james smith on Mar 11, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“BABY” jay penn " till the death, I’m serious george, till the death I’m not joking"
Isn’t that a verbal contract? Did penn in fact quit in his corner? “If I had won I would have walked a way, with two belts” again he’s pissing on the UFC would have being breaking his contract.
Accusing gsp of using steriods for a long time, with 0 proof just because he’s in shape and doesn’t look like a marshmellow. Half the guys in the ufc look like gsp, are cut and have muscles, so there all roided up?? If gsp was on roids you don’t think he’d be a little bigger? He’s 5’10 and 185 hardly big at all. Sherk 5’6 and 175, thats not big either, I’m sick of penns shit and feel like the spyder would like to boycott penns fights. Dana do something about this shit and kick penn out of the UFC.
by nathan on Mar 11, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whether you hate bj or not, i definatley would like there to be more standard and strict regulations for fighters. i dont think the rules and governing bodies have caught up to the fastest growing sport. bring on more steroid testing and more prefight monitoring.
by COR on Mar 11, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!!! Torrescantbebeat. That was awesome so I assume your a former disgruntled bj fan? Pre,during and post fight LOL!! Dude your spot on…there all lame, I can’t decide either.
by nathan on Mar 11, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Typical Americans. I can’t win so I will file complaints, and do as much as I can legally to make up for my short comings. BJ is what America is all about. Talk as much crap as possible, then get crushed, then make every excuse as to why you lost. All but, I was simply beat. More monitoring. More regulations. Christ almighty is that the only way America knows how to deal with a mild incident. The pic up top,by the way, is of a closed vaseline jar. You can’t even see what is in Nurse’s other hand. The “evidence” is pathetic. The complaint is pathetic. BJ Penn in that fight was pathetic. This is sad for the sport. The fight should have been stopped at the time of the infraction if it is this big a deal, which the person whom noticed the “grease” didn’t feel as though anything was slighted. Get over it.
by raetsinner on Mar 11, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Typical Americans my ass BJ is just a bitch.
by Vette on Mar 11, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get over the America bashing, BJ is a lil Bi—-. As an American I am emberassed by his actions. I have never liked BJ and this is why.
by Vette on Mar 11, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When exactly do Americans get crushed? When exactly do we file complaints? Sounds like you just have a problem with America in general. Where are you from? If you’re living in America take your a@# back home and complain about us to someone who cares.
Why you feel the need to turn this thread into American bashing is beyond me. I’m sure I might have some thoughts about where you’re from but I have the class not to air it out on here. I guess that won’t go into your book of things Americans do. Will it?
Troll…
by TapOutNow on Mar 11, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that GSP trainer (Nurse) made a big mistake there… And from now only cutmans can put vaseline on the face of the fighters. 100% agree!
But how BJ turns this shit now its scary. He wants GSP to be suspended and lose all his credibility for his own ego.
How pathetic is that.
That guy is not a man. The way he thinks, the way he speak, the sound of his voice. Baby-Jay.
GSP is a man who always admit his mistakes in all honesty and the rich boy, who couldnt do the job in the octogon, try to destroy him with suitcases.
Sick.
by Jee on Mar 11, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow THE5THBEATLE is a punk!! not only does he jump ship on his fighters but he is also a dirty pothead….tsk tsk tsk!!
But anyways he is right smoke weed every day!! haha!
by William Blake on Mar 11, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NEWS FLASH: BJ PENN GOT HER PERIOD!
Some more punishment for the St. Pierre group including:
- Chinese watertorture before every fight.
- Only place to apply vaceline is on the package.
- Making BJ Penn the next president.
by JonnyBoy on Mar 11, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Again, money can’t buy class. Mr. Penn, this sport doesn’t need you. Please go away.
by SilasM on Mar 11, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a little bitch. I don’t think I can be a Penn fan after this, used to like him but not so much any more. I also think he may be trying to fu*k with GSP’s head as he begins to train for the Alves fight.
by downtown on Mar 11, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ a master of litigation. This’ll be settled cause with lawyers BJ could tie this up and keep it going for a long long time. A long time where GSP wouldn’t be able to fight probably.
Man I can’t wait to hear the boos that Busted Junk Penn is going to get at his next fight.
by ognitinoc on Mar 11, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To me, Dana White created all this in the first place, Seriously BJ knows he can’t beat GSP, BUT UFC wants make money and hyping up a super fight between this two guys…BJ didn’t show up to fight GSP, he looked scared and lost that night. He was slow and looked out of shape..
I reckon the UFC wanted all bullshit talk and complaints between them…this is part of marketing…
by Tim on Mar 11, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s starting to become like WWE. That would be funny if it were all made up.
Hey Vince/Dana, can you bring The Rock out of retirement? I miss The People’s Elbow. Do you smell what I’m cooking?
by justagirl on Mar 11, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunch of BS. BJ got his azz handed to him and instead of taking it like a man he is whining like a B_____. I watched that fight over again and BJ didn’t even try to keep a grip. His hands were looose as well as his feet. WHATS REALLY FUNNY IN ALL THIS, HE HAS NOT ASKED FOR A REMATCH WONDER WHY?
by Vette on Mar 11, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe BJ would have lost either way. The replays show GSP’s cornerman rubbing vasoline on him in places that are illegal. It looks unintentional from my perspective. Those rules were put in place, im sure for good reason, and as unintentional as it may seem, i believe BJ has every right to file a complaint.
by tr8k on Mar 11, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And where in the video does it show GSP swallowing a pill to make his skin greasy?
by luke on Mar 11, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumors have it GSP has BJ Penn caught greasing!? And were waiting to see what was going to unfold before they did anything, I can’t wait to see the little baby caught. I guess they have BJ’s corner men caught on tape putting grease on BJ’s ice bag that they rub on his back? they have many other fighters as well on tape and if one falls they all fall?
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu122/mindcrime9/Hughes-Greaser.gif
by Beaver on Mar 11, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rumors have it GSP has tape of BJ getting greased! Don’t fu^k with a french canadian they don’t do anything until they have to and BJ is going to taste his own medicine. Rumors have it they have BJ’s corner men greasing BJ’s ice bag that they rub his back with. can’t wait to see. CRY BJ
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu122/mindcrime9/Hughes-Greaser.gif
by Beaver on Mar 11, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They have Hughes on tape as well as many other fighter and will bring them up in defence if forced including BJ. Above link is a glimpse of what yardbarker has. There`s moreÉ
by Beaver on Mar 11, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To all the Hypocrites including Penn there is more!
http://www.yardbarker.com/mma/articles/Before_Passing_Judgement_on_GSPTake_a_Look_at_This/529880
by Beaver on Mar 11, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The people who keep whining that GSP “cheated” are forgetting one little thing. There’s nothing in the rules that says that “grease” or “vaseline” can’t be applied to areas of the body other than the face. You can’t use a rule change to retroactively claim that a guy is “cheating”. The rule states that a fighter may not use “excessive vaseline” but does not define what “excessive” means in that context.
Unsavoury, perhaps. But cheating?
Dana White, the boxing wunderkind apparently doesn’t even know the rules of his own organization.
And it would appear that most MMA “fans” don’t either.
This is becoming the WWE.
Seriously,
Read the rules.
If anyone should be complaining it’s Anthony Johnson. He got screwed by that eye poke and it’s on his record as a loss which is a hell of a lot more damaging to the UFC’s credibility than Penn’s petulant moaning.
by captainahab on Mar 11, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but does it state areas of contact ie no chest
by CANADA Michael on Mar 11, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im really tired about hearing this shit,
honestly peen lost on his feet not on the ground
even if gsp didnt “GREASE” he wuda won regardless
penn couldnt keep up with em, and gsp just poured it on
after the 2nd round grease again has nothing to do with the standup clinic gsp did on that foo
by Chris909 on Mar 11, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is crazy let them fight again GSP should want to fight him again Why? Because the way he dominated him it should be another easy win for him and that means another big payday with little risk. Does anyone think Tito was complaining when he got to roll over Shamrock for the third time? Hell no, even though the fight was free on Spike he got paid well for an easy win. This is why in my opinion GSP should be demanding a rematch right away.
by Mike on Mar 11, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I truly believe the ultimate FU here would be for GSP to sign an endorsement deal with Vaseline.
by The Illuminati on Mar 12, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s kind of sad that it won’t change the fact that he received a beating that night.
Make another fight between them.
What will it be the next time ? : GSP knocked my ass off, but I have several doubts that he take steroids.
by Daddy Lupo on Mar 12, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what a winie lil bitch. that’s fine if you want to bring it to the commisssions attention but to request that GSP be fined 250k and be suspended???? that’s nutty. way to make sure that no one forgets why they call you Baby Jay.
by naturalist on Mar 12, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
either way bj was talking up thats his gonna fght tot the death,he couldnt even make it to the 5th rnd how disgraceful,when was the last mma fighter who quit in that manner,others woulda been tko,kod or submitted and lose with sum dignity other than quit like bj did,he didnt back up his words,his a crybaby bytch,he whinged when gsp beat him first time sayng this snt the ultmate takedown championships and he bytchwhnged again after there second
by yushinokam on Mar 12, 2009 2:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP already stated he’d fight Penn 10 times in a row. This is getting very pathetic, I’d like to lodge a complaint that BJ is blocking up valuable blog space with his crap. You lost asshole get over yourself.
by The Juice! on Mar 12, 2009 5:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ is way going overboard here. He now allege that GSP now takes a chemical that will let him be slippery during the fight? That is a pathetic response when he knows that fighters are being tested before and after fights. Besides, what will BJ prove? That he is a better man than GSP? No way man. Saying that BJ Penn is better at this point than GSP is like saying blatantly that the LA Clippers is better than the LA Lakers.
by Phasebook on Mar 12, 2009 6:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
although im not a big fan of kenny florian, he will be my favorite fighter ever when he fights Big Jackass Penn!
by jason r on Mar 12, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lost all respect for bj penn. im not even going to say “he might be right” he is the worst “loser” ever – be a pro !
by MMA040 on Mar 12, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ Penn has a mangina. How would you act if you had a mangina? Give the hermaphrodite a break already.
by Puck Head on Mar 12, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man Blowjob Penn should just let it go. I hope they’ll go another match though so George can really kill him this time. Although that’s probably not what Blowjob Penn wants. He just wants to drag St. Pierre’s name in the mud.
by alfvar on Mar 12, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by nathan on Mar 13, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ..USED TO BE A HUGE FAN….CAN’T FUCKIN STAND YOU NOW.YOU’RE NOTHIN BUT A WHINEY BITCH.YOU GOT BEAT DOWN..MOVE BACK TO LIGHTWEIGHT AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!
by JEFF on Mar 17, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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