Its only funny to me because this statement goes both ways, just because Machida has weakness’s doesn’t mean he’ll get to them before Machida gets to his.

Rashad is going to find Machida’s weaknesses the same way he finds everyone else’s: by deploying Jardine as an advance scout to fight Machida before Rashad has to fight him.

“Rashad is going to find Machida’s weaknesses the same way he finds everyone else’s: by deploying Jardine as an advance scout to fight Machida before Rashad has to fight him”

I’ve read too many posts like this lately and the logic behind it is terribly skewed. Neither Rashad nor Jardine nor his camp nor their managers pick who to fight. The opponents are picked by the UFC and then offered to the respective fighter.

At best a fighter or their management will refuse a fight for one or another but that’s it.

If you have an issue with how it’s been playing out with opponents that Jardine & Rashad have in common and the fact that Jardine has faced them 1st then talk about the real issue which is with the UFC and Joe Silva. Do you think they don’t know that Jardine & Rashad fight & train in the same camp together and compete in the same weight class?

Dude don’t diss Fancy Pants. This guy is on a roll and has some good stuff.

Rashad and Jardine are like “Shake and Bake” from Talledega Nights.

Jardine takes the fall so that his buddy Rashad can win…

“Shake and Bake baby! Shake and Bake!!!”

totally!!!

its not that rashad is doing something wrong by only fighting people after jardine. its just an unfair advantage!

nah, “its not shake and bake anymore, im the magic man now! not ya see me, now im gone!”

Machine, i thought i was crazy for thinking that but it’s nice to see that i am not the only one wearing a tin foil hat haha!!

LOL thanks for the validation NNR. After no one posted a response to it all day I started questioning myself too.

He should definately take the rest. 3 fights in 5 months is insane, let your body heal come back at 100% and be the best rampage you can be.

The only problem with Rampage waiting is that he doesn’t always perform at his best when he has a long lay off – he is not the easiest one to get into the gym. I thought Rampage wanted to keep the fights coming and stay as active as possible. The time off for Rampage may actually end up being negative – not only performance/training wise – but what happens if he passes up the fight. Rashad and Machida fight. The winner of the fight walks away with a broken hand and cracked ribs, which means that he is suspended for like 5 months. That means Rampage can’t get a title shot until the end of 09. In my opinion, if you are offered a title shot – YOU TAKE IT

i pretty much agree 100% with that statement..

but if he didnt accept the fight i could understand as well..

it would be his 3rd fight in 5 months and also a fight against an opponent from the same camp as his last one..

with all his court~ and the fact that he is human and deserves relax time?? i would understand..

but on the same note~ like u said~ ‘if ur offered a title fight’’?? you take it!!

sidenote

i heard that rampage already denied the fight..

i hope its wrong~ but that is what i heard.

thats the way i see it, you can’t blame him for turing it down but i don’t know if that would be the best choice.

The main problem with him not taking the fight is that he won’t get to face Rashad as Machida is gonna take the belt then all that trash talk was for nothing!!

I can totally understand if he did wait though. He has had a pretty full schedule lately and travelling over the other side of the world and being away from family etc is tough too.

ViolentMike-I couldn’t agree more. There sre so many things that can affect when and who gets the title shot. There is no such thing as a sure thing. Take your shot when its offered.

He has to defend the title first, and he’s taking his time doing that.

Taking a long time to do that? He just got the belt in Dec, whats that like 5 months? thats not long, look at BJ, hes taking his sweet ass time to defend his belt, and he never officially defended the Undisputed LW belt, since him and Sherk where both champs in some way

i dont get it? employee of the month club? please explain

Exactly! I posted the same thing earlier on this thread. Finally someone else who understands how things work!

Yeah that might be true if Rashad didnt turn down the Page fight already. Thats what cleared the way for Jardine and Page. Bottom line Rashad has already ducked Ramoage

*ridiculous

LOL good post JaSwin

I can see your point but I truly believe Rashad thinks he’s going to lose. Don’t know why just the way he talked at the fights the other night and now this. Who knows…

Rashad also said it doesn’t matter who he fights, he is positive he will win.

he was also positive Jardine was going to beat Rampage,so that does not matter

I was responding to Chiefs comment saying that it sounds to him like Rashad is making excuses for his upcoming loss.

machida relies on speed to not be hit while standing straight up and down. machida hasnt faced a striker with thte same speed and power of rashad. he has been able to get away with not being hit too much because his opponents have been super slow, (tito, thiago silva, nakamura), predictable (sokuo), or smaller (penn). the closest test he has had to rashad is a green rich franklin a few years ago who is slower and doesnt hit as hard.

What you fail to mention is he is still faster than Rashad,Rashad is not much faster than Tito we saw that when they were in the octagon together,Tito also looked like the better wrestler than Rashad,so I feel a hip toss coming Rashad’s way

Scott, I understand your perspective but I want to point out that Rashad’s hands picked up all that speed AFTER he fought Tito. Point being that to use the Rashad vs Tito fight to gauge how he’d perform against anyone currently would be inaccurate because he’s not the same fighter as he was back then.

I would agree that appears that he has better handsspeed now ,but how well did it look against Forrest until he caught Forrest’s leg and nailed him,did it matter against Chuck anybody that threw an overhand right would have hit him.If you think about it for a minute I am sure he has gotten better,but his speed has not improved that much

Rampage steadily walks forward when standing and isn’t the quickest thinker out there (Watch the Jardine fight- He had a hellava time with his weird style) he doesn’t do take downs either which would play out perfectly for Machida. Just me opinion…take it for what its worth.

I don’t know, he took down Jardine twice(didn’t use his awesome GnP, but still scored points). Rampage used to be king of the slam. I don’t know, I think a lot of you guys are taking Page for granted. He used to mix it up quite well, and I’m thinking when he needs to he will. All his fights in the UFC he’s had the advantage in the standup. Plus we all know he loves knocking people out. He said he wants the belt back, and I think he’ll do whatever it takes to get it back.

The problem with the matchup is how will Rampage close the gap,he is likes to throw alot of hooks and crosses,does not depend on his jab and I cannot remember him KO somebody with a straight punch,so I feel it will be hard for him to shoot for a takedown without it backfiring against him ,and he ends up on his back,which even he said he is not a BJJ guy,we all know Machida is probably the most elusive fighter in the business

Hendo couldn’t hold Page down, so I doubt Machida would be able to. I doubt Machida would be able to get him on his back in the first place. Anyways, have you ever seen Rampage submitted? I think he has like one submission loss. I think you’re right to a degree about Page having trouble closing the gap, but he also has very good defense and a rock-solid chin. I think that will allow him to close the gap. We’ve never seen Machida in trouble, and I’m interested to see how he responds.

I dont know man. He seemed pretty pissed. I have been on this site for a while, and I never really seen him back down for an argument. I think he was genuinely fed up. McArthur, you seem to have a good relationship with him. Why dont you give him a call and tell him to come back?

I was going to ask some of you guys the same thing. I think Phil talks to him but not me…I’m too new to have anyone’s #…

Check out the john appriciation club forming here!!

Who did he have a row with? Was it JV?

He’s alright in my books as he clearly loves his mma and hasn’t wronged me… but i can also see why he gets on peoples tits when he shouts people down and describes himself as a “beast” of mma knowledge.

Agreed tho, he does hit the site up with some big scoops.

no it was JRE…I’m not blaming JRE as I thought it was kinda funny but just think John blew it out of preportion (sp)

I just dont see how this site could be better off without him. I dont think that guy will ever stop blogging about mma. He loves it! Its not hard for him to find another site to blog on, so in the end its our lost more than it is his.

When he says stupid stuff about how he is a beast or a monster I dont think he is referring to his mma knowledge. I think he means that in terms of debating a topic, and I have to admit that he is pretty damn good at it.

For me, he is one of the people who’s posts I always look for, so I guess that makes me a fan!

where is adam G with his list? we need to see who is on team John and who is on team JRE. put me down for team john

Dave are you John under a new screen name?? Heaping on a crap load of praise there..

Mcarthur, which thread is the debate in, I wanna read .

o damn~ it is in the fight salary thread~ but trust me its pretty lame~ and its not a debate..more like a sissy girl move on behalf of a fool named jre..

john bounced out of the arguement cause that jre goof was just pulling up old stuff and attacking john..pure sissy move~

jre said he has been holding it in for a while..sounds like some kind of gothic or something?? he probably has a vudoo doll of john he punches..

mcarther and dave~ dont worrie about john..i have been coming to this site loing enough to know john dont care about that stuff..

u guys will see some fool take shots at john like that a few times a year..it will fade away like the rest of his number one fans..

also~ we should not even be talking about this crap!! i cant believe i actually read that entire thread..that jre fool started a non~mma beef on a mma website..

im thinking jre is not the smartest peanut in the turd~ cause we like to debate mma around here..he does not?

thats why john stopped posting in that thread..he didnt leave for good.. just out of that dumb convo..

anyways~ lets keep this thread from turning out like yesterdays..redirect it now!

i hear that lyoto will be fighting and rampage already turned down the fight..

if true?? i dont blame him at all..

nm, I found the thread, only ever had one/two arguments w/ John; but all in all, he’s a good guy, with solid info; albeit a bit overzealous at times. Though he’s got to stop posting all these compliments about himself under a diff screen name lol.

Yes! I am the new john! lol. He is I and I am him! (sarcasm).

this is my thing. What separates this site from the other sites are its bloggers. No offense to mania, but all the news is pretty much the same from 1 site to the next. I have been on this site since the uFCmania days and I have frequented other sites. what seperates this site from the other ones, is the quality of its bloggers. I like to keep it mma related. what I saw yesterday was pathetic and I forgot I was on mmamania. I thought I was back at Sherdog for a second. Stuff like that should never happen on this site,

hahaha. o damn he got caught: you sure that you arent john, trying the reverse psychology angle to hide that its you?

even when he isnt around, he is felt. For the next week we will all be wondering if its him under a different name. I guess we will never really be free from him. John stop acting like a bitch and come back.

i think when john posts again[and he will] it will be under his own name..

honestly we should be talking about the rashad title fight with machida..

i think that rashad will have a decent chance at taking machida down for ground and pound..

rashad has not looked back to his wrestleing for a while and it might be the stratagy he needs..

his hands[as of late] have been giving him a whole new look..

i really like machida though and am a huge fan..

it really depends on what the odds for this fight will be..

im thinking the odds will be pretty close..

any thoughts??

I don’t want to argue about Tito this or Tito that (cause I’m still a fan of his for some reason) but I don’t see how Rashad will take him down if Tito couldn’t.

Stink~I think the odds will be a lot closer than the fight will be. I see a tremendously boring 1st 2 maybe 3 rnds with Machida getting the victory in the 4th…I could also see this going to decision…the toughest part for me is deciding how Machida will win

stuck in mod stink but I replied

i knew someone was going to bring up tito..

see the thing with tito was he fell into machidas game..

he got all flustered and thats what machida wanted..

i think tito had the skills to win that fight but machida got in his big head..

tito didnt really get in his groove until late 3rd round~

but by then it was over..

rashad on the otherhand~ i dont ever recall seeing a fighter take him out of his zone for an enire fight..

rashad is a smart fighter with great skills..the same goes to machida~

soo maybe your right with the boring fight??

haha…thats what I mean, if Shad and Machida both stick to their game plans it’ll turn into a staring contest in an arena filled with boos

Tito shoots in for take-downs from a mile away and got into a habit of always going for the double. He also never graduated to changing levels & using his strikes to set-up the take-down.

I think Machida will fluster Rashad like no one has ever been able to do. No matter how hard you study Machida, his opponents all look clueless when fighting him. Machine made great points. Tito and Rashads takedowns are like apples and oranges for the exact reason’s that Machine mentioned. On the flip side of that argument, machida Td defense has been improving at a drastic rate. The few times that Tito had closed the distance and got his hands on Machida, lyoto just bullied him off. I was very impressed. it reminded me of how Alves’s td defense improved and how he just shrugs people off of him. His td defense is going to be even better by the time he faces Rashad.

Call me crazy, but I think lyoto is going to put Rashad on his back. In a wrestling match Lyoto would never be able to take Rashad down. But because Rashad will be so worried about Machida’s strikes, I think Machida will surprise everyone, including Rashad and get the takedown. Remember, no 1 thought he would take tito down either.

Should be a good fight but I cant see Rashad beating Machida

Tito had Machida beaten in the clinch once he got him there in that third round.. he should have kept on doing dirty boxing ala Randy Couture instead of overcommitting to get the takedown as usual that can’t be good for his back! Machida is yet to fight a good striker in the UFC and did look tired in the 3d round against Tito! Rashad on the other hand got taken down by Bisping, Salmon and Tito not too impressive at all!

Rob, and what did they do with those takedowns? Rashad has never suffered ground and pound and was up fairly quickly. Rashad may be the only fighter outside of Chuck that Tito took down and couldn’t do anything with it (although the Chuck takedown was very very short lived).

Rashad has a better setup to a takedown. He throws combination’s of punches before shooting. Tito is a dive shot type wrestler. Tito is strong enough in the first to pull in some takedowns but after that, he gets tired and won’t pull it in. I am not sure who wins this fight. I guarantee it will be exciting with a lot of transitions. I can see Machida trying a takedown so I hope this is the fight that happens. Two guys that are undefeated fighting for the belt doesn’t happen very often!

well i know that, but they still managed to take him down.. not that impresive takedown defense from Rashad, and when he did take Tito down he almost got guillotined!

At the end of the second yes. In the third he took Tito down virtually at will.

If I were a betting man, I would bet money on Machida against anyone, especially now. lyoto seems to be finding his comfort zone and that has to be a scary thought for his opponents. His comfort level seems to finally be matching his skills and i believe that we haven’t even seen how good he is capable of being. The dragon is headed right to the top of the fight game.

It doesnt matter if its Rampage or Rashad. Machida is going to be wearing that title soon.

if i had to pick a fighter with the best chance of beating machida, I would say Jackson, but even that is highly unlikely.

Rampage eh? How so? Just because of brute strength? Ill tell you I think that fight would be a longer than usual full 5 round unanimous decision victory by Lyoto meself just because he would have to be more cautious than normal. Rampage hits pretty hard. I just don’t think he is smart enough to defeat Lyoto. You saw how hard of a time he had with Jardine’s awkward style.

Not saying Quinton can beat him. I just think quinton would be his toughest match up. Who do you think has a better shot than Quinton? I dont think anyone will debate that Rampage/lyoto/Rashad are the cream of the crop at 205 lbs. I happen to think Machida is the best. I like Rashad, but still isnt proven enough for me to give him a good shot against Machida.

i hear that rampage will not be fighting..

it should break later today~ early tomorrow..

if that is true? i feel that rashad has all the tools to be machida..

depending on the odds i get for this fight i could see myself putting some cash on rashad..

but to bet against machida might be a foolish thing to do..

so? in the meantime?? i will sit back and let my fellow mmanerdz debate..

that is why i love this site..

i get to read opinions and insight on my favorite sport

from alot of knowledgabe fans across the globe..

vm~ ur getting on more often these days~ not busy at work??

its good to see u on more~ as ur input is one of the strongest around this site..

howd ur bets go this weekend? win some? lose some?

i pretty much broke even..doomsday looked good till he got ko’d.

and i feel we both got robbed big time on the riley fight.

oh well~

I’ve been thinking this over, and actually talked with Psyqo about this before; there’s only one man that could totally dominate any division. He’s a little old now, but probably still has what it takes. That man; is William Shatner; he has beaten Klingnons; green lizard people and more. And with his price line negotiation skills would be the highest paid fighter in the sport if signed on a contract. Truth…

Stinky – since I got promoted at work a few months back, I really haven’t had as much free time to come to the site because I’m actually very, very buisy.

But somedays, I just have that “F’ it” attitude and don’t do much work at all. Its been a rough day, and since my buddy got fired on Friday, Mania is now my only outlet at work. But you are right, before that last promotion, I LITERALLY spent 6 hours of my 8 hour day on Mania! Usually when I come now, I only have time to post something pretty quickly.

As for my bets this weekend, I really didn’t have much action. I had a small parlay on Riley/Munoz = LOL. A straight up bet on Riley. And the bet I won was on Carwin at +140. That was it though, so I lost money on the event – mainly because I only had peanuts to play with (Kos…..)

I am going to be depositing again, but I am thinking about Bodog because their minimum bet isn’t $5, it is $1 – and I’d love to put together a bunch of $1 monster parlays every now and then – HOWEVEVER, I don’t think they offer parlays on MMA. WTF!!!! Does anyone else here know otherwise? Also, I can’t figure out how to parlay an NBA game with a College game – it should be simple.

My usual site is BetUs, but I deposited $25 on Bodog two Kentucky Derby’s ago when BetUs was having technical difficulties.

FYI TO EVERYONE: If you want to open a bodog account, let me know and I’ll refer you. If you are opening a BetUs account, be sure to click on the links on Mania so he gets paid!

You can definately parlay on Bodog for MMA (I do it all the time). And like you said, the $1 monster parlays are fun, rarely pay off but you can include up to 12 different fights from a variety of fights.

Victory – thanks for the info!!!!!

I like Rashad, and I think he’s better than Machida. In fact I think Rashad and Page are better than Machida. And if the rumors are true that Page is waiting I think he will still end up fighting Rashad because Rashad will beat Machida. Machida reminds me of the LHW BJ Penn…damn good fighter, but everyone thinks he’s wayyy better than he is.

Big Rashad fan here. Wrestled with him at MSU so will always be. To be honest, I thought Chuck was going to KO him. He just finds a way to win in the cage. That was the first and last time I will ever predict that he will lose and possibly sleep!

Yeah. I donno who would win thought. Really kind of an interesting match up. I don’t I would prolly put my money on Silva just because that guy pulls crazy shit out of his hat when you think he is down. Truth be told I would rather watch Silva vs Rashad.

Wow horrible spelling there. That was a though* and “I don’t know”. Have to excuse me, me brain seems to be leaking outta me head lately.

Mc, I knew they were friends, but didn’t know Silva said before. However, if the fight ever became in such high demand, and Dana raised the stakes high enough, Silva might take the fight because he wants to retire soon. And in a previous post by Mania, Silva’s manager said that he won’t be able to retire(financialy) by the time he wants to. So, I think there is a possibility! I will say though, as much as I would like to see this fight, that if they are truly that close, I hope that they don’t do it. In the end, I think Dana will find a way to manipulate the situation.

I can’t think of a bigger “super fight”

get the round back* im busy plaing poker at the same time, haha

LOL you know your wrong when? Rampage has nothing to prove he has beat the best in the world wich is more than Machida can say, I’m sorry for hurting your feelings but those are the facts. It doesn’t matter who we want to see it is who has beat the best that deserve a chance and the facts are Rampage has beat higher ranked opponents than Machida. It’s clear you can’t handle the facts because you have a thing for Machida. His record is good yes but his opponents have not been the best that’s a fact. We will see when he fights next. Sorry for stating the facts bud.

He beat Tito,and Tito really beat Rashad,how long do you think Machida should wait ,he is 14-0.By your accounts he is still behind Chuck,because Chuck has beat the best,right now Machida is the best fighter in lhw division ,and he will destroy Rashad.I personally believe that two things has kept him out of a title match,first, the odvious his style can be boring to some ,second they think once he gets his hands on the belt,he will hold onto for a very long time ,and that is not very marketable for UFC

Chuck can beat Tito anyday. Tito did not beat Rashad what dream world do you live. Get the facts straight before you post it might help your cause little man.

What,you really must be a retard,the only reason it was a draw ,was because they took a point away from Tito for grabbing the fence,go back and check the tapes you will notice Rashad also grabbed the fence and was not caught.Also you noticed I did not mention Chuck’s name on the list,but if they was to fight in the near future,the way Chuck has performed as of late,I think Tito might be able to beat him ,but I will not say Tito is better because Chuck has beat him twice

LOL Tito is a big LHW Rashad had trouble with a man but has learned from and got a lot better since, and I can say Tito’s big head has not been in the game since, him and Dana were having a war of there own so when Machida had his chance against Tito it wasn’t the best Tito he could of fought, Tito who isn’t the smartest man by any stretch was very distrated with the Dana BS. Fact is this division is stacked and Machida is now in the top five there is no garantee with any fighter winning because of the talent in this division, Chuck is having problems beating guy’s with better stand up than his and tito still doesn’t have good enough stand up.

LOL that was funny LOL I almost sh^t myself best joke I heard to day Scott Tito is better LOL he got lucky against Forrest who I feel should of won but Forrest has got much better since, I’m sure someone with your MMA IQ was aware of that fact. Tito was just collecting a check when he fought Machida he was more focused on Dana than that fight there’s another fact I bet you didn’t know little man. If you need me to point out any other facts for you I’m glad to help any MMA rookie fan.

We all know about Machida’s last two wins, Tito & Thiago. Let’s check out his three wins before.
1) Win Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou Submission (Arm Triangle Choke) UFC 79 – Nemesis round 2 4:20
Rameau record 5-4
2) Win Kazuhero Nakamura Decision (Unanimous) UFC 76 – Knockout round 3 5:00
went the distance against 13-9 Kaz?
3) Win David Heath Decision (Unanimous) UFC 70 – Nations Collide round 3 5:00

Way to go Machida! There’s a reason your undefeated, four of your six UFC opponents suck.

Don’t get me wrong he’s a good fighter but I think you guy’s are jumping the gun on how good based on his mostly K1 undefeated record.

Hey puckhead,for someone who almost sh#t himself,I noticed you did not mention Rashad.Watch who you call a little man or a rookie,I have been following MMA since I was 15 and I am now ,sad to say, 29 so you need to get off my nuts.Go act like you really know something to some other 15 year old,you might be able to pull it off!

and to the point,when asked most MMA fighters will agree Lyoto Machida is the best in the lhw division,nobody wants to fight him because they can not figure out his style of fighting

Can I get a name list scott? What MMA fighters have said this?

I would like too know to Scott.

nobody wants to fight him, b/c he is bad business.. you are most likely getting set up to look horrible, with Machida running around you

running doesn’t score points Rob.

beaver soko was 4-1 when he lost to machida and it was when he had just knocked out lil nog and arona.just clearing that.

I know that, but he throws single shots to score.

Are you saying Rampage and Rashad are slow, Machida has not fought any fighter with their speed? and NM the fact soko was 4-1 does not change the fact he is 5-4. It shows he fought guy’s even worse than him in his firt five fights.

you base your prediction by what? beating Tito and Silva? Can you share what your smoking with me bud?