Tom Atencio: 'I'm kind of between a rock and a hard place' with third Affliction event

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" ... I'm just trying to figure out what we're doing, that's all. I'm kind of between a rock and a hard place. The fans and the media treat me like I'm on my tenth show. I'm on my third show, and I'm just trying to make sure I don't make the same mistakes that I made in the other events. If there's things I've made mistakes on I try to fix them. I'm trying to be methodical about everything. I'm just trying to make sure that whatever we do, we're doing it right. And then on the other hand, sponsors and everybody else are treating it like it is my second show and trying to make me prove myself, and that's what I'm doing. So I'm kind of between a rock and a hard place. It's only my third show. It's not like I've done this before. It's not like we come from another organization of smaller fights. This is right out of the gate, we showed up, we did a huge show, we did a second huge show, now I'm just trying to figure out how we do our third show.... [I have learned] a lot [from the first two shows]. The production, making sure everybody's there on time, making sure everyone flies in on time. There's just a lot of stuff that -- not that I didn't know, it's just that there was definitely a learning curve. Not to mention fighters' purses. Pay-per-view. Not that I didn't think about it, it's just very involved."
Affliction Vice President Tom Atencio talks about the learning curve that is involved with running a successful mixed martial arts promotion. Atencio and Co. have thus far managed to stage two major pay-per-view (PPV) events with mixed results since making a foray in the industry in mid 2008. He plans to hold a show sometime in summer 2009; however, will not commit to a firm date, location or venue because nothing is official at this time. It is expected that WAMMA Heavyweight Champion Fedor Emelianenko will once again anchor the third show against number one contender Josh Barnett if it indeed does take place.
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have another event where you sell 1.3 million gate sales but pay your fighters over 3 million in salary. a monkey can figure that it doesnt make sense.
R.I.P. Affliction
by tonydanza on Mar 2, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
For real! Seems to me like he wants people to feel sorry for him.
by JV on Mar 2, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh! Just fail already so we can the few top fighters you have will be available while they are still young.
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who wants Affliction to fail doesn’t enjoy mma
by R/p on Mar 2, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you need to think it through before you comment. Having multiple organizations with top fighters who don’t fight each other is exactly what ruined boxing.
Were you a fan during the Pride and UFC days when we could only dream of some of the top guys fighting each other? No thanks. The sooner all the top fighters are in one organization the better, just like every other major sport.
You also need to realize that one major organization is FAR more likely to be able to get a longterm successful network showing, like many other major sports – meaning its free to the public.
Right now, with too many organizations, its an awful mess and we have to considering whose PPV we want to buy and only guess who are some of the best fighters.
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides Fedor-Barnett, what fight do they have left to matchup? Everything else left is your Sylvia-Buentello and Din-Lauzon type fights which i would watch but you guys get the point.
by NameNotRequired on Mar 2, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NNR: I am surprised to hear this out of you…wanna know what fights they have left? Here we go:
Soko vs. Rogerio Nog 2
Soko vs. MOusasi
Soko vs. Vladamyir
Soko vs. Tito
Rogerio vs. Tito
Rogerio vs. Mousasi
Tito vs. mousasi
They could book fighters from other organizations…like pic up a dream middleweight like Jacre and have him face Lindland
They can get k-1 strikers and do like:
Vitor vs. Melvin
Le Banner vs. Tim Sylvia
They can get guys on loan via cross promotion like Werdum, Alistar,
a whole lot of possibilities left for affliction. I hope they survive!
by john on Mar 2, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Babalu vs. Rogerio
Babalu vs. TIto
Babalu vs. MOusasi
they can still do: Lauzon vs. Polish hammer
I can go on forever!
They can add depth by signing some guys that the UFC cut for their under cards like: Clementi, Fioravanti
Fioravanti vs. Jay Heiron would be entertaining!
clementi vs. Din thomas
by john on Mar 2, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After his last performance i couldn’t care less if i ever saw Soko. He keeps lying to us saying that he’s improving his ground(just like Houston A). Lil Nog needs to be in the UFC plain and simple. Maybe a fight with Tito to get some hype but UFC for sure. Babalu has business in propelling Feijao to his bright future then fighting your Cyrilles at Strikeforce. Mousasi will go heavy which is the only interesting matchup. Lauzon needs to be in the WEC because there’s no on there that can give him a decent fight. Jay goes to rule strikeforce when shields moves up. Timmy loses to Mercer and brings shame on MMA. Like i said you’re mentioning interesting fights but nothing spectacular. They would be holding good fighters in a weak roster.
At this point, if you’ve heard the interviews, outlook is bleak so they won’t sign new guys or prospects. They can’t afford Japanese fighters either. Trump has collapsed so they’re on their own.
by NameNotRequired on Mar 2, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they just signed Din THomas to a 3 fight contract this week. Doesnt sound like a move that a company who plans on Folding after its next event would make.
mOusasi is going to fight at LHW for the time being, so there are still great match ups for him in affliction.
Dan Lauzon is going to fight the polish Hammer, and that fight will be amazing. I can list you a legit and actually possible affliction 3 fight card that would be AS GOOD as the Best UFC fight card of the year if not better.
John’s Affliction 3 fight card:
Main Event: Fedor vs. Barnett
-Arlovski vs. Yvel (striking WAR!) or they can bring in a k-1 guy like LeBanner to fight Arlovski
-tim Sylvia vs. Buentello
-MOusasi vs. Rogerio NOgueira
-Tito vs. Babalu
-Dan Lauzon vs. Horedecki
-Din tHomas vs. Savant YOung
-Jay Heiron vs. Semtex (amazing fight that would be)
-Lindland vs. Jacre (who has said that he will soon make his affliction debut)
-vitor vs. TBA
How is this not a spectacular fight card? Every last one of these fights is actually a possibility. this site is supposed to be for MMA DieHards….I honestly do not get how anyone on this site can be rooting for Affliction to fail! All their cards have been very good. THey have provided us with numerous DREAM fights that the UFC could not deliver. THey brought us Fedor to America and matched him up against top UFC Champions. THey are a new promotion who’s shows drastically improved from the 1st show to their 2nd show, and they will only continue to get better and improve their product!
by john on Mar 3, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his touch decision was whether or not a hetersexual should wear those glasses.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Mar 2, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction has put on two good shows and i await the third. And you guys that want them to fail are chicken chokin haters. Good luck affliction.
by Tony P. Draper on Mar 3, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nOt necessarily! Its all in Fedor’s hands. THe 3rd show will happen, but after that, Fedor’s contract expires. Many industry insiders believe that after Fedor’s contract with Affliction expires, he will sign with the UFC. If that happens, then Affliction is DONE!!!! if they can re-sign Fedor they will at least have a shot at lasting!
I know I am rooting for Affliction. They just signed Din thomas to a 3 fight contract the other day, so In there minds, I am sure they plan on being in business after the 3rd show, which is a good sign!
by john on Mar 2, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fedor news:
Joe Rogan did a interview this weekend were he said that he believes Fedor will finish his last fight with Affliction this summer and then sign with the UFC.
Dana did an interview this weekend where he stated that if Fedor decides to sign, he would INSTANTLY become the #1 contender and challenge the UFC HW champion….whoever that may be at the time.
Really Dana? Handing out instant title shots to a Farce? Contradicting douche bag! show him some love/respect, and get him in the octagon!
by john on Mar 2, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
on a sad note, in the Dana interview, he said that he was not aware of a meeting scheduled for June between him and Camp Fedor, but Insisted that he is always willing to sit down with them and try to work something out!
by john on Mar 2, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
john maybe that isn’t sad news that Dana doesn’t know about the meeting. Maybe Fedor is speaking with the Fertitas instead which I think would be a more reasonable discussion than Dana denying Fedor everything but a paycheck.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Mar 2, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After the win over Sylvia, Dana started to backtrack on his statements. After Arlovski, he’s been naming Fedor as a top 5 heavyweight. Which is obviously an understatement on his part, but a big step in swallowing his massive pride. Give credit where credit is due.
by RaginAsian on Mar 2, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I for one have been an Affliction fan from day one. I will continue to buy their fights and support any competitor to the UFC. I’m tried of seeing money take precedent over skill. Dana is changing MMA into a cash cow and the fighters and true fans are the ones who suffer. The perfect example of Dana’s greed will be if/when Rampage gets a title shot before Lyoto.
Dana nut huggers jump on board…
by Arnold on Mar 2, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
john i heard him say it on the bubba the love sponge show with jens pulver when he called in that fedor in the ufc probably will never happen.. even if the camps meet i don’t see fedor signing with the ufc
by randy murders on Mar 2, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the fact everyone is upset that rampage may get a shot at Evans before Machida. What about Evans getting a shot before Page? Thats more about nut hugging that Page over Machida
by lokie on Mar 2, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All of these fighters are starting to findout it wasnt such a smart move signing with Affliction.
by belfort_fan on Mar 2, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John, you fucker! Did it every occur to you that Dana doesn’t really think he’s a farce? If you are in his shoes and it’s your job to promote your organization and try to bring in the best talent, then it’s a decent idea to say “Fedor, your a farce. If you want to fight real competition, come to the UFC.” It’s a lot better than, “you are the greatest Fedor. I will pay you whatever you want and give you special contract considerations!” Dana is a better business man than you or I so I when something doesn’t quite make sense it’s more likely that he’s scheming than being a douchebag. I think Dana wants to see Fedor fight in the UFC as much as the rest of us fans.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Mar 2, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You who punches ovaries, has it ever occurred to you that john knows Dana knows Fedor is no farce? The problem is Fedor has beaten many of the previous UFC title holders and even had two wins over Nog when he was the UFC title holder. Dana is talking out of his ass you your eating his shit for breakfast. If Attencio says that A Silva is not a top 5 MW fighter and is just a farce what would you say? Aw man he’s just promoting? No you would say that is a blatant lie and you should eat your words for disrespecting him as a top fighter. Dana is a promoter and not a fighter so until he puts his ass in the cage he should respect the people who do. He could have just said I don’t think Fedor had very good challenges in Pride and that he is surely proving himself in Affliction, I would like to see him come where the real challenges wait in the UFC, we are always here to extend an invitation. Instead he banked on Sylvia or Arlovski beating Fedor and he lost and now he has to eat his words. Besides who calls someone who is undefeated a farce unless its Kimbo?
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Mar 2, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John – did you see last episode of soup – watch it – it is really funny in the end (and you will understand why I have a big smug on my face when I read your statement about Dana contradicting himself):
http://vids.eonline.com/services/link/bcpid1396519019/bctid14255473001
by Anger Jack on Mar 2, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly Cogito, and thanks! Anger Jack…I love that show I will make sure to watch the latest episode
by john on Mar 2, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow john, I didn’t know your wife would get so defensive. Dana’s style has done very well to promote the UFC so I guess I don’t agree that he should be respectful of other fighters just because they are in the cage. Especially if Fedor’s managers are as nuts as Dana Claims. Dana’s not one for diplomacy…so what. Maybe he’s an asshole sometimes, but he’s not a douchebag.
And as for Attencio, If he made similar comments about A. Silva, I’d assume he had some agenda because that doesn’t make sense.
Not to mention, maybe Dana wasn’t sure about Fedor until recently. I wasn’t. I’m still not 100%. Sucks to be demoted to douchebag status for being wrong about one guy.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Mar 2, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dana was sure, he was just talking smack.you i am sure wheren’t sure because you did not know better rookie.
by roy on Mar 2, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Punch you: THanks for clarifying that Douche bag is greater than Asshole!
by john on Mar 2, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re welcome John. And Roy, I’ve called no fight wrond in 15 months. I fought for years and still train on occassion so I’m no Rookie. That’s why I pick fights right more often than most people on this site. Acutally fighting helps you Keyboard athlete.
I’m bored so I’m being more antagonistic than usual.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Mar 2, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah john RIP affliction they suck at business
by randy murders on Mar 2, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care where he fights actually. I just want to see his manly body in action. It really gets me all flustered when I see him. Affliction or UFC doesn’t matter. He is the king. I just love him. I really do.
by john on Mar 2, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d rather him not be in the ufc at this point, he does to many other things outside of MMA that the ufc wouldnt allow him to do sign with strikeforce or a japanese promotion
by randy murders on Mar 2, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, that’s a litle bit disturbing.
I don’t wish any harm for Affliction but, I won’t feel like mma will be hurt by their absence.
Bottom line, I want to see Fedor fight. I want to see him lose, but I still want to see him fight. I recognize his dominance, which is why I want to see him lose. I do that with most fighters that have been on top for so long. I mostly seem to root for someone to knock them off.
by Jrandolph on Mar 2, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow john. I like Couture but you have a sickness. Yuck!
by CaptainAmerica on Mar 2, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like atencio isn’t gonna keep overpaying his fighters for much longer
by Crowls on Mar 2, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Daym John, “manly body”? You’re startin’ to turn all faggotty over Fyodor…And he ain’t King, Elvis is, hehe!
by Syd[a.k.a."The Negation"] on Mar 2, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It all rests in fedors hands lol, they have fedor and there still losing millions per event. Affliction is dead no matter what fedor does.
by LG on Mar 2, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can go 2 ways on his comments. Either they are TOAST or he doesnt want to give up any info on a third show too soon bc of UFC counter programming.
I think they are DONE!! Hopefully they get one more show in to see fedor barrnett but who knows now.
by fokman on Mar 2, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
no more shows is what im seeing, they can’t afford it
by randy murders on Mar 2, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Atleast he is honest and doesn’t act like king turd like the other guy. I bought the first two events and wil buy the next one too, I hope affliction stays around fo awhile.
by Bigmcmac on Mar 2, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know. No matter what Atencio says people will twist it around to slag him and the organisation off.
At first I thought it was a little wierd that he was playing his cards so close to his chest but thinking about it and the usual comments/rumours that get plastered around on the internet I see why.
More MMA makes me a happy man but they gotta start looking realistically at fighter purses etc though if they wanna survive.
Best of luck Tom.
by Ca$z on Mar 2, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We saw with Elite XC that having an entire promotion contingent on the success of one fighter is never a good long term buisness plan. Unfortunatley Affliction is destined to fail. It’s just a matter of when. They can’t put on a successful show without Fedor, just like Elite XC couldn’t put on a successful show without Kimbo. If Fedor looses or leaves then Affliction is done.
by DB on Mar 2, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to bring this up but your right if fedor loses Affliction is done, It bugged me that AA got three time what fedor got paid in a losing cause? If AA won then Affliction would be done. Barnett never wanted to fight Fedor before because they were friends I wonder how much they will pay him for this WWE fight…I ment MMA? The UFC champ is the true world champion. The UFC has the most fans in the world there is a reason why.
by Ringer on Mar 2, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ringer! what a very ignorant comment..calling barnett vs fedor wwe..and stating in the same sentence that ufc’S Champ is the legit…are u trying to confuse someone? or just fooling urself…
by gaara on Mar 2, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to give Affliction HUGE props… so far they’ve given us Fedor/Sylvia, Fedor/Arlovksi, Lil Nog/Matyushenko, Belfort/Lindland, Babalu/Sokoudjou and Arlovski/Rothwell in only 2 events!!!
by TooDiesel on Mar 2, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I will never understand why everyone is giving them such a hard time.
I’m definitely in the minority, but I thoroughly appreciate what Affliction has brought to the plate. No, I don’t expect them to be around for more than another year or so at best, but I cannot refuse to acknowledge that they’ve given us some fantastic fights (both “on paper” and actual).
Until their ship eventually sinks (as this seems inevitable, unfortunately, due to… questionable business decisions), I will be more than happy to pay for each and every one of their pay-per-views.
I genuinely believe that anyone who hasn’t enjoyed their shows thus far is not a fan of MMA as a whole, but rather a fan of the UFC.
Oh well – TUF guys, flame away.
by Immak on Mar 2, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree they had some great fights, but the production (better in the second show), the whole metallica thing, and the ringside guys were all pretty bad.
Great fights, bad show production = mediocre oranization.
If they can work out some kinks and keep Fedor around they might have a chance. We’ll see.
On the other hand, promotions like MFC, WEC, and Strikeforce have the production side down pretty good IMO, and they have some decent fights, while keepng their accounts in check. I think org’s like that will have better success in the long run.
by Jrandolph on Mar 2, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a rap son…………..lmao
Can’t believe this guy actually thought he could compete with the UFC.
Dana White= The Grim Reaper!!!!!!!!!!!11
by Homslice on Mar 2, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you don’t want to be treated like it’s your tenth show, stop signing hundredth show fighters to two-hundredth show pay checks. Also, you lose about 70 percent of your potential sponsors in MMA bro-thing companies when you are one yourself. Congratulations on that math.
And STOP HAVING FUCKING BANDS AT YOUR SHOWS.
by RaginAsian on Mar 2, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
affliction needs to teamup with one of the smaller shows asap, like a wec kinda deal
by john on Mar 2, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
wec is owned by the ufc john. afflictin doesn’t have to team up with anybody they just need to be smart about paying their fighters and the amount they charge but the problem is the fighters and their managers have more control than Affliction.
by Ringer on Mar 2, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Atencio sounds frustrated, overwhelmed, and like he’s in over his head. LOL at the praise of Dana White when the sentiment is not mutual. Dana has no respect for him at all and has said that more than once. He’s the “T-shirt guy” who bit off more than he could chew. What’s the deal with Affliction spending $3.3 million on a show when the UFC spends only $1.1 million on a comparable show? It doesn’t sound like Atencio and others have learned nearly enough to do this efficiently.
Maybe after Affliction officially sinks, other would-be promoters will finally realize that they can’t start at the top with the marquee fighters. The ONLY way for them to make it is to start with small shows and local fighters and work their way up over a period of years. Atencio’s business model was ill thought-out, stupid, and over-ambitious. He deserves to collapse in shame and ignominy, and it is just weeks or months from happening.
by Fred on Mar 2, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i gotta agree with you, a company like strikeforce that came from virtually nowhere is now on cable tv with top notch talent in multiple weight classes not paying out more then they should.. the WEC could put together a better PPV then affliction can at this point and yet they don’t they do fine financially just by paying guys less money
by randy murders on Mar 2, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone please explain to me why Affliction pays its fighters so much cash? If they are trying to actually make a business out of MMA, why pay guys like Arlovski over 1 mil?
That being said, I thought the last Affliction event was a vast improvement over their first event. They just need to ditch Tito and pay realistic purses and they will do fine.
by stevo on Mar 2, 2009 12:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like Affliction – great fights you do not get to see in UFC. The last affliction was great outside of the dreadfully boring Barnett fight. Lindland ko’d!..again.. Arlofski flying knee ko – awesome stuff. I hope they figure it out and stick around – should make for some awesome fights from both orginizations – also helps the fighters as well.
by Rusty Springs on Mar 2, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes its luck of the draw – you put two fighters together and see what happens. In Afflictions case, I agree, there were some great fights that made the card. But you just never know, their next card could have equally compelling fights then end up as a bust, like what we saw with GSP/Penn (IMO) and Franklin/Henderson. The UFC might be due for some fireworks.
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Golden Boy holds the Key to all of this!
by Syd[a.k.a."The Negation"] on Mar 2, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true, I was there at the affliction post conference, oscar was the first to speak, and sounded very serious when he said he’s in it for the long run. Golden Boy Promotions is the key to all of this.
by boxerdeoro on Mar 2, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you don’t want to be treated like you’re on your tenth show, stop signing fiftieth show fighters with hundredth show paychecks. You can’t get sponsors because 70 percent of them are MMA bro-thing companies that don’t want to compete with the effing promoter of the show.
Also, stop with the bands. Seriously.
by RaginAsian on Mar 2, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i don’t give a fuck about ufc and their champ , we have to be greatful affliction in business of mma , because they really give us good match up nobody tough will see fedor #sylvia or
fedor#andrei arlovski
by hollaback on Mar 2, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As many others have said, in one way or another, this is the end of Affliction. If Fedor goes to the UFC, peace out Affliction. They’d never have the drawing power, even still having Barnett, Arlovski, Vitor, and the rest of the bunch to keep going.
And, past that, they’re gonna run their t-shirt business into the ground trying to pay for these events which are losing them tons and tons of money. It’s ridiculous.
I’d say, it was a good idea. A decent effort. But, in the end, they just didn’t know what they were up against.
by Craig on Mar 2, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
These are things he probably took into consideration before starting this promotion.
by El Mexicutioner, formerly The Mexicutioner on Mar 2, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like Atencio! He always takes the high road even when people talk shit about him!!! He is a classy guy that has my respect. As for Affliction itself, things arent looking to good! I guess they picked a bad time to start their promotion. Given the bad economy where the top sports including NFL and NBA are releasing players left and right, commissioners taking paycuts, the NBA taking out loans to help teams, everyone is struggling. Even the UFC is making cuts left and right. Affliction is just spending waaaaaaay to much money and not seeing big profits and that is going to kill them, especially in this economy right now!
I see peopel saying that if Fedor goes to the UFC the Affliction will fail, which is true. I think even if Fedor stays with Affliction, the company wil lgo under by the end of the year as well. It is a good thing that Tom Atencio has always taken the high road when it coems to UFC bashing and Dana Bashing. This way, once affliction MMA is over, then may affliction clothing can partner back up with the UFC.
by Adam on Mar 2, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
regardless of what he says about Dana, if they stop promoting shows, there is no reason why affliction should be banned from the UFC
by lokie on Mar 2, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t like seeing anyone fail but I’m glad only because the possibilty of Fedor coming to the UFC would be more realistic if Affliction did fold? Win’s are lose I would like to see him in the cage rather than a boxing ring. If Affliction charges the same amount for it’s PPV and seat tickets it will fail once again especially if they keep their fighters salaries similar to their last event! The main reason Affliction won’t survive is because the fighters and fighters managers have to much control. Barnett & Fedor fight should of happened long ago but the fact they are friends is the reason why they haven’t. now they are? it will be interesting to see if we get a MMA fight are WWE fight? It’s funny what money does to some, friends at war or friends making money?
by Puck Head on Mar 2, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People have a tendency to be WAY to hard on the guy and the promotion. Thus far he has been fantastic, in both creating great shows and dealing with the over-the-top criticism from the pro-UFC bloggers, media, and fans. It is an uphill battle but for a guy that has only 2 shows under his belt…they have been a great success.
I look forward to more shows in the future in this UFC saturated market…
by Wags on Mar 2, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would be inclined to agree with you if said guy and his promotion weren’t blowing MILLIONS AND MILLIONS on those two shows. He’s creating his own uphill battle the way EliteXC did, only faster and in a worse economic environment.
Look forward to watching replays.
by RaginAsian on Mar 2, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever bet me $20 that Affliction will have a third show, you better pay up when they dont.
by El Mexicutioner, formerly The Mexicutioner on Mar 2, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if fedor beats barnett at affliction’s 3rd event, and fedor decides to stay with affliction, the who is there left to fight?
by oli on Mar 2, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry about that Trump & WAMMA will make a top contender out of Yvel are someone else lol, reminds me of Don King & the boxing rankings. If we show it they will believe it.
by Puck Head on Mar 2, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They should have a main even featuring someone else then Fedor. First 2 shows are heavyweight main events so, they should go with a LHW title fight or MW title fight, IMO.
by neverthere on Mar 2, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know why ppl care about fedor to be in ufc any way
FEDOR HAS NOTHING TO PROVE TO MMA FAN OR UFC PERIOD, his record speak for itself , come on ppls move on
by hollaback on Mar 2, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fedor and Phillip Miller are the greatest ever, who cares if they have not fought the best the record says everything. Fact is until Fedor beats the best ranked opponents now it’s all based on opinion. Anybody can have an opinion so here’s mine. Until he beats the best he can not be called the best, he’s is one of the best that’s it. Alot of you thought Cro Cop was going to come in the UFC and clean house? My opinion turned out to be correct I thought he would do better but I didn’t think he was good enough to be the champ. He made a name for himself in Pride and has not fought a top 3 HW since? He’s finally fighting Barnett after all these years? It will be interesting to see if Barnett get;spaid the same as AA?
by Ringer on Mar 2, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By your dumb logic than those fighters who have not fought Fedor have not fought the best either, so no one is the best? Ok then.
Who is the best? Mir? Nog? Randy? Lesnar?
Gimme a break. It of course would be great to see Fedor fight every one of them, but the guy has not only beaten 5 UFC HW champs, he has won every fight he has faced and even won on his off nights. No other fighter in has been that good.
You can hate him all you want but you can’t find another fighter anywhere with anything even close to that.
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly bud there are peaple that think this guys can beat that and that this guy…..the point is you can’t be the best unless you beat everyone otherwise there’s always. No doubt about it Fedor is one of the greatest fighters in the world but you can’t call him the best because there are to many that believe he wouldn’t be the champion in the UFC? You can believe he is the best and the other guy can believe Mir or Brock is the best? Who’s correct? It’s all he said said BS. The fact is the UFC is the most popular MMA organization in the world! That’s a fact!! I ask you this if your the champion of the UFC of the most watched MMA organization in the world does it really matter who thinks what? The UFC belt is the most popular belt in the world WAMMA can rank whoever they want #1 or 2 it’s not going to change that fact the UFC champion is known to most as the world champion. I think Brock would rip Fedor in two? Fedor is great but Brock is a monster that’s my opinion.
by Puck Head on Mar 2, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you become an MMA fan when Brock came over from the WWE?
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha! noneed4name just ignore him…lol…dont argue with a kid from wwe…because its pointless…just ask the regulars here..his name speaks for itself..
by gaara on Mar 2, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you guy’s were aware of how good a wrestler Brock was you might have a point. Brock is one of the best wrestlers in MMA and probally the best HW wrestler. Imagine Barnett 20+ pounds heavier with a stand up!!! I know you are in deniel but it will all be over soon. Puck Head your 100% correct the only belt that matters is the UFC belt. You so called hardcore fan’s get lost we don’t need you die with your afflictions.
by Beaver on Mar 3, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t belive some of you bashing this guy? I am no big fan of Affliction, but how many of you on this page of comments ever stuck your ass in the breeze on an idea?? hmmmm
Now, do I think he is doing it improperly, maybe, and he is fighting an uphill battle against DW and UFC, but dammit, give the guy some credit for TRYING, as I can only imagine many of you sitting in mommies basement waiting for the pop tarts to come out of the toaster, and yes you can all probably kick my ass, so don’t even threaten, i’ll just agree……..
by The Slovak on Mar 2, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
For real I would like them stay alot longer but It sounds like they are going either broke…or they have just run out of ideas!
by Hispanic Panic on Mar 2, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling many of these idoits will paying to watch the crap on March 7. Garbage show and a line up like that is why I say Affliction should stay in this…
by Rusty Springs on Mar 2, 2009 3:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Are you so cheap that 50 bucks a month to watch professional MMA is just too much for you, or are you just poor? You are seriously missing the point.
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would not pay 50 bucks for that card, and i can afford it no problem.
by roy on Mar 2, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be one thing if Affliction or any other organization was putting on another card that night, but that is the only MMA on. Its far from a great card, but it IS a chance too see some of the top fighters in the world. That is what being an MMA fan is you know.
Oh wait, I can hear it now, you have better things to do that night. I am sure the Desperate Housewives marathon on that night is more intriguing.
If you have better things to do, then you are not a true MMA fan. There are some of us that love the sport so much that seeing it only once a much is not enough. I guess you are not among those, which is cool, just don’t kid yourself that you are a passionate fan.
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Every one of you would watch this event if it was free, becuase if not, then you are no fan of MMA. So don’t tell me you are not too cheap unless you are willing to tell me you are not a real fan of MMA.
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just like you hoping for affliction to fail?i never said i would not watch it, i said i would not pay for it and i won’t.you see i like all mma, not just ultimate fighting like yourself kid.
by roy on Mar 2, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Use your brain, my point about all the fighters in 1 org has nothing to do with the UFC other than the UFC being the current likely candidate to be the final org standing. If affliction was leading the way and UFC was on the ropes, it would be the reverse and I would be hoping the UFC would be going down as fast as possible.
Its only you fools who can’t look beyond a single event that think multiple organizations is good for the fans in any way.
So you are going to watch it and not pay for now? And you are not cheap? lol. Way to show your true colors. Care to twist any of your words around again to justify what you said?
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
..and I could not care less about any organization. I care about watching fights and seeing the best fighters, something a true MMA fan desires, which I guess doesn’t matter to you.
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no wonder you need no name? You know nothing about MMA. The reason the most MMA fan’s watch UFC is simple it’s better. I hate Affliction for the simple reason the fighters get more than the show how the F does that work please explaine Noneedforbrain! The fact is you can’t and if you would like to watch a bunch of BS have fun with the other seven thousand and shrinking mentally challenged fans. Brock would Destroy your paper champion Fedor..Deal with it.
by Beaver on Mar 3, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it was only a matter of time until the WWE fans infiltrated this thread.
by noneed4name on Mar 3, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
March 7th is going to be awsome!! My man Rampage is going to put Jardine to sleep. And I might add Jardine is a way better PforP fighter than Barnett or AA. Hell AA got paid three times what Fedor got. How’s that happen? The only reasonable explanation I can think of is the cost to make a man dive is one point five. Fact is there is only one HW belt that represents world champion and that the UFC belt!! The most watched HW belt in the world.
by Puck Head on Mar 2, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Puck Head please change your name to something more fitting. You are obviously very new to the sport of MMA. MMA is a sport UFC is an org. Please search more fights do more research before you talk about what’s ‘popular.’ I mean my God man. Read a book!
Fedor gets paid by M-1. And we don’t know what they pay him or how much PPV he receives. Similar to the top fighters in the UFC. No one knows what percentage they get paid off of PPV.
O Here are slow motions of ‘the dive.’
http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif
http://www.mmaforum.com/affliction/50824-arlovski-vs-fedor-slow-motion-pics.html
by WTF on Mar 2, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop defending the F’n pussy WTF. If Fedor was any kind of MMA fighter you would not be defending the pussy? It showed Fedor’s earnings for the fight at half a million is that wrong WTF? Sounds like your trying to defend a lost cause anyway? The HW champion of the world is the champion of the UFC!! If you don’t like it watch some WWE or Affliction you mentally challenged MMA fans!! PS have fun talking to yourself.
by Beaver on Mar 3, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF Affliction is lucky there’s wana be hardcore MMA fan’s like yourself. Have fun with a your afflictions.
by Puck Head on Mar 3, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey dumbass, read the 3rd post here posted by yours truly. Get your facts straight next time.
by noneed4name on Mar 3, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Want to know reason the UFC is the best MMA league in the world. They are a complete league built from the ground up. From LW through HW they are complete. They might not have one or two of the best fighters in a division but that’s no what it’s about. No fighter is bigger than the UFC just ask TITO. Just like no player is bigger than the NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL. If Tom Brady couldn’t play another down would the NFL fold I think not. Fedor is bigger than Affliction so it doesn’t work. If Fedor never fights for the UFC it will not fold. Affliction should have stuck to flinging Ts. Now they will never be able to promote in the UFC again. Hard lesson to learn but it school of hard knocks these days.
by Canada Michael on Mar 2, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i like affliction but id rather just have its fighters goes to the ufc. minus matt lindland
by Jared on Mar 2, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly – the last Allfiction card was well worth the money, but anyone with any brains knowns the best thing in the long term for MMA fans is to have a single organization win out and be the only major player – just like every other major sport.
by noneed4name on Mar 2, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all i can say is that when a door closes windows will open up…so until affliction reaches its end..all hardcore MMA fans will watch their event but wen it folds we may hav another great opportunity unfolding our very eyes…and we all know whats that im talking about…
by gaara on Mar 2, 2009 8:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fedor Emelianenko would get destroyed in the cage. No were to run and hide against Brock “The First Monster” Lesnar!! If you think so you have been Trumped LOL.
by Beaver on Mar 3, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor ‘The Last Paper Champion’ Emelianenko!! Him and Cro Cop are the same calibure. Couture can beat AA and Tim. I guess that put’s Fedor in the same league Couture and NOG? The biggest honor for a Gladiatior was to fight in the largest stadium. I believe that’s true and with saying that Fedor has no honor!
by Beaver on Mar 3, 2009 1:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It was only a matter of time until the WWE fans infiltrated this thread.
by noneed4name on Mar 3, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kind of ironic isn’t it when a Affliction fan bash’s the WWE?
by Puck Head on Mar 3, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Puck Head, be sure to let everyone know when you start making sense.
by noneed4name on Mar 3, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And maybe in the meantime, read the third comment in this thread.
by noneed4name on Mar 3, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Puck Head are you picking on the Brock haters again!! I love it they all eventually come out with the WWE slam. Don’t worry once Brock gets another fight are two in they will change their tone. They know MMA but when it comes all they have against Brock is WWE.
by Beaver on Mar 3, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem being a Fedor hater until he enters the UFC octagon I’ll continue being a hater. If he ever does enter I’ll change my tone.
by Beaver on Mar 3, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO – the 2 of you should get together and form a single brain. I am at the top of the list of guys that would like to see Affliction go down as evidenced by my posts at the top of this thread. If you need to label me to feel better, so be it, You just can’t handle objectivity, or more likely don’t even know what it means.
by noneed4name on Mar 3, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL!! Stop your crying all ready. Really who can’t handle objectivity, ironic isn’t it LOL.
by Beaver on Mar 3, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do your comments even make sense in your own head?
by noneed4name on Mar 3, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We had a bet who could keep you going LOL and Puck won F6ck me! Your a real winner buddy. Make sure you get the last post in to show everyone how intelligent you are LOL
by Beaver on Mar 4, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You two are real winners. I am sure you think you are impressing everyone, but other than me pointing out your absurdities, people stopped caring about what you were saying a while back, you just failed to recognize it.
I ain’t going anywhere, so keep posting and proving you are nothing but nonsense.
by noneed4name on Mar 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!! this post was done long ago. your the only one we are trying to impress. You must be new I’ll help you out bud. usually a topic goes on for one to two day’s. Once a new blog is posted everyone gets there comments across and reads the other peaples comments and somtimes reply to them. After a couple day’s the blog is dead and no one reads them anymore. Please let me know if you need help with anything else bud.
by Puck Head on Mar 5, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet here you are, posting again, not able to deal with not getting the last word in. Denial ain’t just a river.
by noneed4name on Mar 5, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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