This was complete ownage by the GSP camp.

John Danaher completely and systematically destroyed every single one of Penn’s claims/complaints with extraordinary detail.

I feel sorry for Penn

Nice! I like how the term “totally dominated” was used in a formal letter.

I’d really like to see Florian take BJ out.

 i know its a stretch, but man would i be jumpin for joy… Sorta like when GSP ROCKED hughes’ world with that shin to the temple.

“Sorry folks, this one isn’t over. Not by a long shot.”

That is exactly right Jesse, and its unfortunate I agree but also tend to believe that this is the cause of Dana’s frustration as he realizes that it might leave a black mark over his “biggest fight in mixed martial arts history.”

So suck on that Penn!!! I love it “being totally dominated by a superior athlete” now quite your bitchin and prepare for Florian.

Petroleum jelly on one’s backside is never a good thing.

Penn pwned once again.

I feel sorry for us, “sorry folks, this one isn’t over. Not by a long shot.” I wonder how long we will be hearing about this crap? I almost want them to rematch so we can put all of this to rest. I was pulling for Penn in this fight, but vas or not, he got owned!

I agree with them. Even if he did have a small amount of vasoline on his hands before he rubber GSP’s back it would have been minuscule. No more than fighters would get on thier bodied from rubbing against approved vasoline covered areas of the bodies like a face during the fight. And why is it ok to pour water over someone’s head between rounds? If that’s alright then a very small amount of grease wouldn’t make that much difference. Plus they were already sweaty at that point.

The fight should just be ruled a no contest and no rematch should be made until penn officially moves up in weight. he should have been given a shot at the title as he was clearly not the #1 contender at 170. The vaseline did give gsp an unfair advantage. If anyone looks up a fight that melvin guillard and roger huerta had years ago, you’ll see that the fight was initially a decision win for Guillard but was ruled a No Contest b/c his cornerman greased his shoulder in between rounds. This is the same scenario. Whether or not gsp dominated penn has no relevance on that, it two completely different things. GSP cheated whether it was accidental or not and the fight should be called a no contest. its the only right thing to do.

Would be simply outstanding to just move on from this incident. At this point the only thing left to see is rule changes/suspensions. Other than that I couldn’t care less about this.

Penn got ripped off, play and simple. Rematch is the only way to settle it. OBVIOUSLY.

Yeah it was Penn who made the officials freak out and run into the ring trying to towel the greasy Pierre off. It was BJ using breathing/greasing techniques. It’s all Penn’s fault that former opponents of Georges are lining up with the greasing story. They’re all just lying haters. Even the NSAC is just sore and know there was no grease. You can get away with anything if your a nice guy I guess. I personally wouldn’t know.

Wow, those letters were quite detailed, and from what I can see are more logical than Penn’s arguements.

And I’m not sure what critisizing Penn in a formal letter is supposed to achieve. To me that’s no better than Penn’s complaints. The formal letter should have addressed the corner’s actions and avoided name calling. But that’s just me speaking like I’m older than a 3rd grader.

It wasn’t vaseline!
It was Maple Syrop
good ’ol canadian boy!

This whole thing is getting old. Now lets just see GSP move up in weight to get totally dominated by a superior fighter in Anderson.

I havent even really commented on it because every agrgument has been brought foward, wheather defending or ripping Penn.
But Im tired of hearing about it, but im even more tired have people responding. Im a huge BJ fan. I will say this had BJ quietly filed this request, and not continually complain, and post videos aboutit on his page people wouldnt be rippin him as bad. Bottom line he has the right to file that request as a profesional fighter, but if you do file a complaint show some class and keep quiet untill the NSAC makes there decicion. The sooner people stop posting 400 times about this on every story, the sooner it will go away

How does ‘we do this breathing thing every time, so it proves we didn’t use vaseline’ make any sense? The videos show greasy hands all over Pierre’s body, period. I guess they’re argument will be, ‘but it wasn’t that much left on the hands’.

Clearly BJ and JD Penn need to just man up and face the fact that GSP is to big, too strong and too skilled to defeat. BJ, despite being the “Prodigy” is actually starting to look and act like a has-been fighter. Just wait and see when Florian wins a decision victory of Penn.

This one “isn’t over” because stupid government bodies take 1 year to do a 1 week job.

Seriously, have some hearings and present all the evidence which has been available for weeks and make a decision.

Once they make a decision there will be no more need to argue.

NSAC’s fault.

The photo above this article makes all you GSP nuthuggers look like idiots. The GSP camp makes no valid points on why an actual jar of vaseline was inside the cage.

Stop sucking on fighter’s nuts and realize Jackson and the actions of his team ruined GSP’s victory and tainted what the UFC has spent years and millions trying to build.

Should have added at the end: “furthermore, BJ Penn is a douchebag.”

A greased up/roided up GreasySP cheated, but ya’ll discount this?

Take GSP’s schlong out yo asses and his peanuts off yo double-chins.

sheesh

Well said GSP, I already saw GSP step out of his “nice guy” image just towards BJ. I kinf of hope he goes a step further, and totally makes a statement like:“this was the easiest fight I have had to date, I’m not really sure why BJ or anyone thought that he is on my level, he is a pudgy big mouth that should not only doesn’t deserve to be in the same cage, but should not be allowed to even make eye contact with me”

Win or Lose, Greases St. Pierre is a CHEATER.

Say what you want but GSP and his corner CHEATED !!!!!!

Wow, I’m lovin’ this letter. Total PWNage!

“It should be noted, however, that Mr. Penn has never controlled an opponent from guard position in a way that led to the finish of the match or even a decisive attack that turned the course of a match in his entire MMA career. It is extremely unlikely that he would begin by suddenly doing this against the current world champion in a higher weight category.” – Danaher

Whoaa!!!

I bet most of the people throwing out insults about GSP cheating didn’t even read the response from GSP’s camp.

It seems most of the people still insisting GSP cheated are not all that swift and easily fooled. GSP was fed GH for many years as a child. His mother was acually a Canadian( French Canadian) Bigfoot aswell so he has always had a great advantage.

CHEATING IS CHEATING IDK Y PPL ARE DUMDASS ABOUT THIS. IF BROCK WOULD HAD LUB UP AGAINST RANDY YOU PPL WOULD BE IN A UPROAR BUT SINCE THIS IS GSP ITS OK THATS BULLSHIT HE CHEATED BOTTOM LINE DEAL WITH IT.

Here comes Kenny!

Here come Thiago!

Get over it BJ,

ps. I burnt your stoopid aloha bro t-shirt cause how could I be bros with a sissy

so sick of hearing this whiney little bitch complain. have lost all respect for bj.

If you watch the fight, you can clearly see when Penn pulls rubber guard in the second, GSP’s skin wrinkles…How is this possible if his back was greasy? Answer, it’s not.

totally dominated by a superior athlete
 totally dominated by a superior athlete
 totally dominated by a superior athlete
 totally dominated by a superior athlete

 Enough said.

There were no complaints from BJ Penn or his corner during the fight end of story, he is just trying to save face after the fact. GSP should of complained in their letter about the negative impact BJ Penn having a mangina has on the UFC.

GSP the Cheat!!!

Fuck BJ! you lost. and fuck everyone that thinks GSP is a cheater!

Strong words, changes nothing. The grease was applied, intentionally or not, and the fight will forever be tainted. Whether it made a difference or not is impossible to know for sure, nor does it matter.

Not thatimppressed with the response. Jackson and Nurse essentailly admit that they violated the rules they just say it was unintentional. Their whole argumenet is “It wasn’t very much vaseline and it was purely unintentional. If it was intentional then we would have to be really crafty dirty bastards.” Personally, I’d be pretty happy if I never saw Phil Nurse My Dong in the octogan again.

nooooooo…I can’t access the letter. Anyone have it saved?

LOL! this is too funny because if Penn ever gets the rematch then this time GSP will KO him out! :-) I cant wait

Greasy.
The whole world knows it.
Not having the stones to admit it doesn’t make you look any better.

I know GSP would still have won but i think maybe they may look at gregory jackson’s team being in the corners. I seem to remember kenny florian hinting that huerta was ‘slippery’ after their fight if im not mistaken he trained for that fight with greg jackson for a bit at least leading up to the fight

By the time this is over, Bj will look dumber than he does already and reputation will damaged beyond repair by his own doing. They will not fight again becasue BJ wont let it happen. Hopefully the courts rule there needs to be a re-match cause I would love to see BJ get dismantled again. I also find it frustrating that one guy thinks he is so good that the only way he can be beaten like a dog is if the other guy cheated and by a godam Canadian to boot EH!!!! get over yourself BJ!!!!!

By reading most of the posts on here its obvious either one you didn’t read the entire letter or two your dumb if you think gsp is a cheater or penns camp has any merit to there claims. Both the grease gate video and penns lawyers letter to NSAC are ridiculous. John Danahers point of view in my eyes is very convincing as he’s a grappling expert himself, bottom line Penns arguments like his performance at UFC 94 are pathetic and weak. Penn is a great fighter who fought a guy who completely took his strengths away from him and made him look like shit. For anyone who really cares about looking at this issue objectively read the entire letter from the jackson camp, I’m glad I took the time to read it all.

BIG NEWS=COUTURE AGREES TO FIGHT BIG NOG AT UFC 101 WHICH TAKES OUT THE POSSIBILTY OF CROCOP COUTURE UFC 99

The IQ levels on this page are pretty obvious. To come to any kind of verdict on something you have to listen to BOTH sides of the story(reading penns lawyers complaint and request for an investigation to the NSCA, AND read gsp’s camp’s response to the letter and accusations), and try to be as impartial as possible.

 I have to agree with Hardcharger.

   "This was complete ownage by the GSP camp.

John Danaher completely and systematically destroyed every single one of Penn’s claims/complaints with extraordinary detail."

You BJ fans honestly think you have a case after these letters?
I read the entire thing, but John Danaher’s part pretty much
destroyed ANY and ALL arguments Penn’s camp and its fans have.

The NSAC will close the book on this faster than you can say “BJ the Bitch.” Yes, they will change some cornerman rules (as they already have), but that’s it. There will be NO disciplinary action whatsoever.

All you BJ fans might as well start rooting for another fighter because BJ has lost all credibility. He will forever be known as a poor loser.

Everyone is being a fanboy about this issue. It’s really unimportant who has their ego broken or who is being a dick or who isn’t. Yes GSP won, and regardless of the grease, he would have won. BJ was not as prepared as he and his camp thought he was. But these are non-issues.

The fact remains that unintentional Vaseline was applied to GSP’s back and shoulders. There is even a clear moment in the videos that he applies it to his neck and chest. This happened, and it was documented on video.

The complaint may have been filed as a result of a bruised ego, but I do thing good things will come out of this whole issue. Vaseline will now, hopefully, be applied by only skilled cutmen and not the cornermen. I think this will be great for the sport as a whole.

Everyone can complain left and right about the skills of GSP or BJ, but really that’s not what it’s about. Let the case be reviewed and let a new rule for the NSAC be instituted.

Then we never have to worry about this again, right? Then when GSP dominates BJ for the third time, we can all just enjoy the fight. (and I’m a BJ fan, yes he’s insane, but let’s face it, he is a great fighter, but the wrestling of GSP was just too much for him in that weight division) And even for the next fight, if it happens, i’ll still root for BJ. But for once let’s just ignore the names and faces of the fighters involved and just concentrate on the complaints and outcomes.

Worst case scenario, the UFC becomes a more respected fighting promotion, right?
So please just stop with the fanboy-isms for this issue. It’s not for us to decide who was right or wrong, but just hope that the sport becomes greater as a result.

I agree with most of your comments 12onin but there really is no way to completely avoid the vas migrating to the body issue as it will always be a factor as long as they grease up fighters faces. I personally don’t know gsp or penn, and in there own ways seem likeable, and annoying at the same time. Personally I think gsp really puts on an act for the camera and isn’t so squeaky clean behind the scenes and penn says what ever is on his mind.

  I really feel sorry for penn, as he took a severe beating and I can’t even imagaine how embarrassing that must be after everything he said. I can see why his camp filed the complaint as phil nurse did apply the vas to gsp’s body, and to save face. I personally feel penn knew the vas had nothing to do with the loss but his bruised ego let the complaint go forward. I really believe nurse didn’t intentionally do anything wrong, and it didn’t effect the outcome of the fight.
Penn is a great light weight champion, and gsp is a great welter weight champion, I’m curious to see who will have there belts come 2010 only time will tell.

“‘Rush’ hasn’t given any excuses for the incident, saying it was just a minor mistake caused by the between-round frenzy and was part of a breathing technique”

Thats an excuse. Kind of biased reporting there. Are those the same not excuses he has for losing his two fights? I like GSP and know he is worlds better than BJ so all of u who are reading this and are getting ready to call me a hater or BJ hugger can stop now. There is a lot of biased that goes toward GSP, and he always has the benefit of the doubt. I’m glad to see the guy getting to be innocent untill proven guilty, but don’t lie to me and say he doesn’t have an excuse, even if ends up being true it is stil his excuse for what happened.

Nahabedian says he did rub his back and pushed down on his shoulders but did not put grease on him. Is it that hard to believe that he did not have grease on his hands, I dont think so, he also states that the small amount is put on the back of his hand for application so unless he was rubbing GSP with the back of his hand I cant see how the grease got there. Simple it did not get there, this is just a load of crap. I do like how they stated that even GSP mentioned to his corner how slippery BJ was at one point during the fight. Its a rich bitch trying to disccredit one of the best fighters/athletes on the planet. BJ is not an athlete, GSP is plain and simple. He got beat by a better fighter and better athlete. He even went as far to say that he thinks GSP takes steroids because of how he looks. NEWS FLASH BJ, THATS WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU TRAIN HARD, SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. ALWAYS PUDGY AND OUT OF SHAPE IS NOT HOW YOU BEAT UP SEVERE ATHLETES LIKE GSP!!!!!

I hate this picture as well, just because you can see the VAS in buddies right hand does not mean he is putting it on his back. I read the full response from GSP’s guys and I just dont see how BJ even has a leg to stand on at this point. This is a joke and BJ should be thrown out of the UFC for making such a mockery out of it everytime something doesnt go his way.

We will all see what the NVSAC thinks here pretty soon and it will be long suspensions for GSP and corner. Terrible cheaters is what they are, the Wierd thing is they DID NOT HAVE TO CHEAT. I think when fighters are as skilled as these two, SIZE matters and GSP looked 40 lbs bigger. Im not sure what GSP cuts but he looked 200-205 by fight time. His physique is amazing and his legs are tree trunks. Minimum 1 year suspension for GSP and corner.

Hey hardcharger, how you feelin? I do like GSP and have for several years(much more than Penn) However, there is accepted protocol in dealing with Vaseline. Jackson and Nurse violated that protocol in way that is obvious to both the pres of the UFC and pres of the NSAC. It doesn’t make GSP a cheater but some remedy and diciplin is in order.

Fact is, vaseline or any other lub agent on fighter A, will automatically transfer on fighter B when both of them make contact, therefore, neither fighters will gain advantage. As mentioned in the 17 page letter, vaseline does not discreminate, both fighters become slippery after contact and transfer of lub. In most case, even vaseline applyied on the face of fighter A will end up on fighter B’s torso after a take down, and then transfer on fighter A’s torso as well when he tries to pass guard.

A last comment to those who give credibility to Hughe and Serra’s comment on GSP. How in the hell could both of the Matt’s complain about GSP being slippery during their fights??? C’mon, Matt Hughe won the first fight by arm bar, but was TKO’d in the two other fights, with very little body contact throughout, and similarly, Serra won the first one by TKO, but was completely overclassed in the rematch were there was again, very little body contact. One word comes to mind – jealousy, same as cry Baby Penn.

Page 15 is the best page.

“It should be noted, however, that Mr. Penn has never controlled an opponent from guard position in a way that led to the finish of the match or even a decisive attack that turned the course of a match IN HIS ENTIRE MMA CAREER.”

Really? We’re still talking about this stupid shit… Who Cares?

LMAO!!!! slipperygspisacheatingprick something tells me your not brightest bulb out there……enough said, halarious.

One thing I don’t understand is the comments about it being a miniscule amount of vaseline and it did not affect the outcome of the fight. To my understanding it is against the rules to apply vaseline to any part of the body other than the face in mma, intentional or unintentional fact is that vaseline got applied to other parts of gsp’s body other than his face. Karo Parisyan got suspended for taking painkillers. Painkillers aren’t performance enhancing but they are against the rules, chris leben used steroids and got suspended, sean sherk passed a lie detector test saying that he had no idea that he had taken any steroids but had steroids in his system, he got suspended, why I ask? why? because it is against the rules, people please take note. There is no doubt in most people’s minds that gsp would have won regardless of the vaseline.
IMO this fight should be ruled a no contest, a fine and written warning to gsp’s cornerman Phil Nurse and if it happens again he should be removed from the cage permanently, the NSAC needs to make an example of this situation and let it serve as a precident and warning.

i didn’t realize the officials had to wipe him down after the second and third rounds. that is what it says in the story above, right?

Ultimate fighter why the hell should it be ruled a no content when according the actual NSAC rules(if you actually read the 17 page response from jacksons camp)they literally didn’t break any rules. Sean sherk was tested positive for steriods and was fined,suspended and lost his belt but his win wasn’t ruled a no contest. NOTHING will or should be done to gsp if you actually knew what you were talking about you would realize this.

Come on guys. You are all stupid!

I was told in a text last month that GSP’s mother is actually a French-Canadian Bigfoot. SO GSP is really half Bigfoot. You can’t tell me that isn’t an advantage.

Also, as you can see from GSP’s appearance he was fed GH when he was a child for many years, hence why he hasn’t been caught for steroids!

This greasegate is just the tip pf the iceberg. I’m sure BJ’s next video will come out with someone taping GSP trimming his fur before his next fight to prove he is half Bigfoot.

GSP LUBES!
GSP LUBES!
GSP LUBES

Is that the New England Cheatriots? No, it’s GSP!!!

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Enough said

I tried posting last night from home but kept getting an error message. It may have been said by now, but I bet you that if Penn beats Florian he calls out GSP again knowing full well the fight will never happen. Penn will not let this go in an effort to salvage his pride.

Fighting and contests have always attracted cheats. More should be done because not only does this damage fighters integrity and honour, it damages the image of the sport as a whole. Honour and integrity in fighting seems a thing of the past in todays day and age

If GSP cam forward and said publicly that he gave his word of honour that there was no intentional cheating, that would be good enough for me.

Hey guy’s stop giving BJ Penn such a hard time not to many guy’s in this world have to deal with having a mangina what would you do if you had a Mangina like BJ Penn?
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mangina

bj penn is hiv postive guys… confirmed today

LOL

lol!! CRY PENN!!

For all you GSP-bashers…pls view these videos before passing your judgement.

Cornermen makes mistake…even the best/licensed ones. Let’s put this GSP-cheating thing to bed, pls?

BBJ Penn, you really need to grow up and be a man…you have a freakin kid…lead by freakin example!

Taken from Luca26 post
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First let me start off by saying that I’m not trying to throw anybody under the bus. I am simply trying to show that Georges St-Pierre and his corner men may be taking way more criticism than they should be.

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu122/mindcrime9/Hughes-Greaser.gif

The above link shows, NSAC cutman , Jacob “Stitch” Duran, accidentally applying a small amount of Vaseline to the shoulder of Matt Hughes in his fight against Thiago Alves in June of last year. Jacob is known as the best cutman in the game (NSAC Approved), and yet seemingly makes the same mistake as GSP cornerman, Phil Nurse, by rubbing Matt Hughes’ shoulder after applying Vaseline to his face. Kind of Ironic since Matt Hughes was one of the first guys to jump on the “GSP is a Greaser” bandwagon., don’t you think?

The video below is another example that shows Rich Franklin in his title fight vs Anderson Silva last year. A similar high profile fight as GSP-Penn 2, Rich’s cornerman seemingly applies Vaseline to Rich’s shoulder and neck, even leaving a visible gob of it on Rich’s left shoulder.

And Yet, all the controversy surrounds GSP. Why? Maybe because no one had noticed these things before? Maybe because both Hughes and Franklin lost those fights? Or maybe it is because people cannot seem to fathom how Georges was able to destroy a guy who was easily top 3 or 4 in the world. You decide.

Ignorance is not an excuse here true i think GSP just has Penns number on any given night with that said GSP should not be punished but his corner should the rules state no vaseline regardless of what technique they used it for.