Josh Koscheck post UFC 95 video reaction

I am with you brendan. I like how cook and camarillo are also on the early stoppage wagon.

you know when i look at it again, i have to agree with the team of Kos.. the ref got scared when Kos went down, if that is how you’re gonna rule the fights Nogueira’s record would have been about 10-20…

Watch the replay again. Just ‘cause Joe Rogan said that he thought it was justified doesn’t make it so. Koscheck lands on his back goes to get up, is aware enough that he doesn’t have the time, waits for Thiago do go into his guard, but the ref stopped it. That was an early stoppage. RIGHT AFTER Koscheck is completely aware of what is going on. Not 10 seconds, or even 2 seconds.

Top end experienced fighters deserve more of an opportunity to recover. Early Stoppage.

most fighters instinct is to halfass pull guard to begin with, kos was absolutely out and was even biting his lip on the ground.. that was a late stoppage if anything if that guy jumps on kos like he should have there is going to be serious injuries to koscheck sure he was almost recovered when thiago finally got over there but he was done all dude would have had to do was hit him again and kos wouldn’t be saying unfair

If you’re not gonna give someone a chance to recover cause you’re scared when someone’s down then there’s no point in being a ref or even watching a fight.. the ref stood at the other side of the octagon and there’s noway he could’ve seen Koscheck’s eyes there, the ref “killed” the warrior while Paulo wasn’t even ready to rain down blows!

Also Thiago even raised both his hands like “he’s out, you really need me to hit him.” I find it hard to believe that a 10 fight vet who’s a proven finisher doesn’t know how to pounce on wobbled guys. Kos just paid the price for a sloppy hopping jab probly looking for the overhand right.

and i say watch the fight again live! that’s how you see what really happened, Kos was ready to stand back up the second he hit the ground and had his hands on the side to push himself up and when he saw Paulo coming in he held his hands to defend! and that’s a fact! sure the uppercut knocked him out for a split sec, but as i said if that’s how you call every fight both Tim Sylvia and Heath Herring would own wins over Nog..

NNR you need to go back and watch the fight.. Paulo didn’t even have a chance to see the ref coming, and the is jumping on Kos the same second he went down, the only thing that is is a rookie ref robbing a warrior like Kos a chance to recover..

the ref is*

FIRE THAT MOTHERF’IN REF!!!!!

Never seen Nog stiffen up, ever; so that doesn’t apply. Kos did. Mind you, he recovered very fast. And i realize that the ref was behind him but look at his hand gesture, he knew there was nothing there to finish.

plz, nog got stiffed by herring

ok check out Herring vs Nog he is out the moment Herring almost kicks his head off, just like Kos is out the moment Paulo lands the uppercut, but he is back when he hits the ground looking to get up and then sees Paulo coming at him so he holds his hands up.. If you have the possibility to watch the fights again do it!

and it wasn’t like he was unconscious on the ground so i don’t see the need to fly in like that.. a scared ref is a bad ref!

I think i have to knock on that ref’s door and personally take him out of the game.. these fighters are professionals and their careers are on the line here ffs!

Well bottom line is that Kos lost, he friggin’ rolled his eyes[he was on queer street!], and I called the upset! I actually have 100% accuracy with all my UFC 95 picks! 1st time I aced a UFC card[including undercards!]*pats own back…

Some guys will defend any stoppage because it protects the fighters. It seems these days any flash knockdown will be a career altering stoppage.

Sorry but if that figher would have pounced on Koscheck as soon as he knocked him down, we would not be having this debate. It is only because he didn’t jump on him straight away to inflict more damage which he easily could have done, that you are able to bitch about an early stoppage. I have always hated Kos, but after his Alves performance ad his interviews afterwards he seems to have matured and lost a lot of his arrognace. This was actually the first time ever that I was hoping he would get a win. Nog of the past has proven he is capabe of recovering from something like that, if the ref had let Kos continue and he was hospitalised because of it, you same guys would be bitching that the ref should have stopped it sooner.

Eyes rolled back in the head = fight over

When have they ever allowed a fighter whose eyes were rolled back in their head, biting their own lip, arms stiff out to the side, continue to fight? NEVER! It was a beautiful knockout, quit trying to take credit away from Thiago

We have this stupid debate after every single UFC event.
This time, this debate is not warranted. i was fine with ALL the stoppages. Do you guys really want to see mma fighters walking around like mohhamed Ali after they retire? Letting a fighter take more shots to the head after a flash KO, is a very dangerous thing. Kos was OUT momentarily, and guess what, thats all it takes in the rule books for the fight to be stopped, so what the F are you blood thirsty lunatics complaining about?

tHiago knew Kos was out, like many previous posters said, all thiago had to do was pounce on him, but for what? Kos was done!

same people that bitch about the early stoppages are the ones that complain after Rampage delivered to Big BLows to a Knocked out wanderlei.

We bash referees a lot on this site, but I have no beef with any of the way this past events fights were refereed or scored. I didnt even notice the refs, and thats how you know they are doing a good job!

I dont want to here any of the accusations that I am biased against Kos or that the ony reason I am happy with the stoppage is because I was the one who predicted it and had money on tHiago, because that is not the case at all! Kos was out momentarily and thats all that matters!

Kos is to blame for terrible striking technique. He jumped into the uppercutt while throwing a lazy jab…his eyes were on the ground, he never saw the uppercutt coming and paid the price. Stop Bitchin!

Kos.. was out.

Kos.. was out.Paulo did the right thing.. he was ready to inflict more damage till the ref did his job. Like John said.. I really didn’t notice the refs either during the card… it was great event start to finish. great job.. by the fighters.. and the refs.. and great job bitching about it.. for Koscheck.. and his bend over buddies.. all riding his cock.. and massaging his ego.

Kos.. you got Ko’d.. via the Knock out of the Night.. own it.. suck it up.. move on.. its nature of the sport.

Guys.. do you know what Paulo Thiago does.. google/youtube " Tropa de Elite ".. it’s a brazilian movie about Rio de Janerio’s Military Police’s special unit called B.O.P.E. These mofos’ are no joke!!!! Their like navy seals/ Isreali special opps.. BOPE is who go save the cops when the regular cops.. go and get in trouble inside of a favela.. Paulo is one of these cats.. I find that out.. during the pre fight talk on UFC 95.. what he goes thru and sees on an average day on the job.. is insane.. google " Tropa de Elite ".. and peep for yourself.

ok then let me just say that Paulo Thiago should get some killer instinct and go in for the finish.. cause if the ref wouldn’t have stopped it there Kos would have gone on, and for those of y’all that claims he was gone on the ground needs to go rewatch the fight, he tries to push himself up with both hands and then he sees Paulo coming in and he defends, that is not worth a stoppage.. Griffin’s eyes rolled back against Rampage, Nogueira eyes have been rolled back a hundred times without a stoppage, it was an early stoppage the ref was all over him right after he hit the ground and you all know that.. I could go on and list hundreds of fights where the action was allowed to go on, the rules needs to be same in every fight

RoB, obviosly two people can watch the same fight and see two completely different things. I, however, saw the same exact thing you did! I wrote something similar on the UFC 95 recap and final thoughts post. That Ref was too far away and should have been on top of the action! Kos got dazed, but was never unconcious. He was immediately attempting to intelligently defend himself. I could see possibly stopping a childrens’ MMA competition! But, this is at the top! If they started stopping every fight because someone gets dropped, we’ll never get to see true champions of the sport! Guys who can fight through adversity and come back to win! The Ref in the Per Eklund fight did a good job! He may have even stopped it one punch sooner! But, there is no doubting the outcome of that fight! And any fighter can end up like Ali! Forrest is well on his way with some of the headshots he’s taken! A lot of them get hit thousands of times during their carreer and don’t end up like Ali! Besides, one punch could put a fighter in a coma or worse! Bottom line, it was clearly an early stoppage!

Rob,

The rules are the same for every fight. It is the officials interpretation of those rules and his interpretation of the fighters condition that determines the officials’ reactions.

yes i do know that, but that ref’s interpretation of the situation was a little off in my mind, Kos is a professional and has proven in other fights that he is great at recovering from hard shots.. what i think should have happened is that the ref should have stood right beside them and jumped in right away if Thiago put on some GnP like in the Dunham – Eklund fight..

Kos has NEVER been hit as hard on the button, as Thiago hit him….so to say that Kos has proven that he can recover from a shot like that is a baseless Claim. YOu all know alves is one of my very favorites, and even he didnt hit Kos with a shot like that!

Justifiable stoppage!

Quit whinin’ guys, we all know majority of you picked Kos to win, that’s why you just can’t get over it. One message, get over it!! Kos was out[even for a sec].

Hey RoB, Tito’s nuts are getting lonely what with all the “love” you’re showing to Kos’ pair. Man, you just can’t see things objectively through the man-crushes you apparently have for both those guys. This stoppage was legit along with all the other stoppages on that card. It figures that it takes the regulars on this site (john and Phil) to drop in and “settle” this thing with a couple quality, level-headed posts. Thanks guys.

haha, what are you talking about? I’m talking about the stoppage here not Koscheck, and i don’t bet on MMA so that has nothing to do with it.. a stoppage is a stoppage and that is something they have to get right in this sport, cause a loss just b/c the ref says so can tear someone’s life and career apart instantly… the Dunham – Eklund was a good stoppage minus the last punch that landed and i believe that was the same ref, so i don’t know why he couldn’t have let the Kos fight go on for a few more seconds.. and for the record why i like Tito is b/c he is one of the most charismatic fighters in the business, I couldn’t care less about some loser that is good at fighting

I wonder if this site can take the post i feel i need to make.. cause i could probably list about 1000 fights atleast where the ref has let the action go on for a few more seconds to see what happens.. If all you have to do is to score a knockdown and the fights over the moment he hits the ground than there’s something seriously wrong with that! Mike Goldbere is screaming he is out, when he’s already back on his feets and were already looking to defend or get up the moment he hit the ground

Ko’s had a decent enough chance to defend and recover…. maybe not, but he deserved a few seconds.

We’ve all seen Kos take a decent amount of punishment particularly in the Alves fight. He always shown great recovery time, I think the ref should have given him a few more seconds.

Very good point. He got rocked several times in the Thiago Alves fight. Stood toe to toe the entire time and didn’t get knocked out. This will be good for Kos. He likes to fight and he will be back very soon. The wekterweight title picture is preoccupied anyways. Should GSP get past Alves, he will likely face Anderson Silva. That gives Kos some time to work back up.

I think this fight was stoped based on Paulo’s reaction NOT Kos’s. It was clearly early because we all know Kos would have grabed him in his guard and kept going.
He never got a chance to recover or defend himself, bad call.

The worse case if he really was out is that we’d get to see Kos eat a few when he’s KO’d, sounds like a win win to me.

It could go either way…Kos was beating the heck out of this guy and recovered nicely from Alves but he was out so who knows….Again don’t know why all the hate for kos….he comes to fight and fights anybody.

“The worse case if he really was out is that we’d get to see Kos eat a few when he’s KO’d, sounds like a win win to me.”

lol. Thats some serious hate there, but i was thinking the exact same thing :)

I’m not really liking how the refs are stopping these fights too early with some of the established guys. I thought Karo and Thiago was an early stoppage same with this one. To be fair I guess in the other hand if ref don’t stop it they could’ve end up like Yoshida just laying on the ground for ten minutes motionless

These are profesional fighters, to assume you must stop a fight that early is bush league. I don’t really like Kos but he puts on some great fights, the fans were cheated on this one.

well, if the only thing he does is training standup he should know by now that a good jab is the most important punch in boxing.. you can’t just go in wide like that without setting things up! especially in mma when one punch can change everything.. he was overconfident from the knockout in his last fight.. It’s the same thing that has happened with guys like Wanderlei and Chuck Liddell, they’re just swinging wild without any defense! defense is CRUCIAL and gives you the oppurtunity to counter your opponent ala Rampage who happens to be one of the best in biz at just that..

Exactly Derek!

Agreed!

hes a f*cking Div 1 NCAA National Champion who was an UNDEFEATED wrestler.

WTF is he thinking!??

He stand-uo has vastly improved but PLEASE for F*cks sake Swicth it up GSP status and take him down as well.

And start watching some f*cking tapes….

He is the ABSOLUTE best (pure) wrestler in the UFC. he needs to start showing that.

his fights should be to take the guy down and wear him out all throughout the first, then stan-up and finish in 2nd and 3rd.

SoCal I agree with your last quote that he should try to wear his opponent out before standing. The odds of him finishing fights would go up dramatically.

I also enjoy how you disguise your curse words (i.e. F*ck) *ucking hilarious.

SoCal, you obviously didn’t see Kos fight GSP or you wouldn’t be saying Kos is the “best (pure) wrestler in the UFC.” GSP completely outclassed Kos at his own game. Kos is a solid wrestler, but not the best in the UFC.

Like I said earlier, when Kos sees the replay he’ll see he was out—- he recovered quickly but he was out.

Nope. Early stoppage. You are letting the fact that he is a tool cloud your judgment.

on cable tv? if the rules are gonna change when it’s on cable tv, then they should never have it on free tv…

Kos’s head was up because he was looking at his opponent, and his hands were in the air, as were his feet ready to pull guard.

did u watch the same fight? his hands were at his side and his head in the air cause he didnt know what the fuck was goin on cause he was KOd..simple as that

no newfie, i’ve watched the fight several times now.. and his hands are on the side at first to push himself back up.. he’s actually already on his way back up the same moment he hits the ground, then sees Paulo and holds his hands and legs up to defend..

No, I just looked at the picks on another site and you can see his eyes are locked onto Paulo’s.

yes he was back, of course not a 100% back.. but that was a bad call by the ref, if that’s the way to call then every fight should be stopped after a knockdown.. Rampage would’ve won via KO when he knocked Forrest down in the 1st and Forrest’s eyes rolled back