UFC Quick Quote: Frank Mir vs. Brock Lesnar 2 to be 'similar to the first'
by MMAmania.com on Feb 11, 2009 12:05 AM EST
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"Technically, Lesnar has the ‘real’ belt and he can claim that, I’m not bothered. But I have accomplished more than him on the road to the title.... I see the rematch being a similar fight to the first. He will look to overwhelm me quickly but it’s hard to win fights by just overpowering someone. He has the size and his strength is immense but his technical ability is nowhere near mine."
-- Interim heavyweight champion Frank Mir tells Mirror.co.uk that he expects his rematch against Brock Lesnar at UFC 98 to end in similar fashion -- with his hand raised in victory after a submission. Mir tapped Lesnar with a kneebar back at UFC 81: "Breaking Point" in Feb. 2008. Lesnar went on to stop Randy Couture later that same year to capture the division title. Meanwhile, Mir scored a technical knockout win over Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira at UFC 92 in December to claim the interim title. The two will square off to declare an undisputed champion on the next big blockbuster show for the promotion in May.
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LOL, My Brock will make you go to hell!!! You are finished now that Mazagati cant save your pussy ass!!
by Mr. Vince McMahon on Feb 11, 2009 12:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
mir by sub hopefully … i cant stand the thought of brock winning … he is so unprofessional …. his attitude stinks
by ufcaddict on Feb 11, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i cant believe all these peeps hating on the champ!
mir will definitely beat lesnar again~
i got 30k that says brock will get all shook again.
he will be all frantic~ and end up getting subbed.
say word~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 11, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO way Stink! Brock isnt even going to the ground with Mir. He is going to use his monkey reach to beat Mir senseless in the stand up and clinch. Mir’s new toy, that BS 3 punch combo of his isnt going to work. Say Mir’s striking improves a little more come May, whats he going to have in his Arsenal? that tired ol 3 hit combo and then another punch, kick combo at best!
Unless Brock has a glass Jaw, which I doubt….mir is going to get KTFO!!!!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO way Stink! THis fight aint going to the ground! brock is going to keep it standing, beat Mir up in the clinch with brutal Knees…and then he will use his Monkey Reach to pick Mir apart….ending in a TKO, 1st or early 2nd round!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
stinky, going to strikeforce? I’m gonna go, trying to get ringside, we should go together, my wife ia gonna go too!
3 o clock today (pacific) bj penn will have a radio show on his web site, it will be the first interview of bj since loss to GSP.
by kevin on Feb 11, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whatever drugs you’re on John, I want some. Just because Mir beat Nog., don’t root against him. Mir will outclass Lesner where ever the fight goes!
by kevin on Feb 11, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Mir, I think he’s a funny guy and I don’t like Lesnar…but to be honest, how does Mir win this fight? If Lesnar stands, lesnar probably wins. Mir could pull gaurd and try to submit him but the chances are slim.
by ja434650 on Feb 11, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Brock will make the same mistake again, but Mir’s stand up against Minotaro was awesome.. Brock can only punch and bull storm people so his game his limited.. Randy man handle him in his fight just Brock’s gorilla fists made it hard for Randy to move out, and Mir would have beaten Randy..
by Mr Potato on Feb 11, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
was Mir’s stand up against Nogueira awesome? or did NOgueira just look like a zombie? Props to Nog for the win, but Nog’s shape should be considered! I am just saying KO’ing NOgueira the way he looked that night does not equate into Mir Ko’ing Lesnar!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction: Props to Mir for the win, but….
by john on Feb 11, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin: 2 questions for you, stink and everyone else. NOt attacking you guys, just curious to get some feed back on these questions.
- Can Mir beat Lesnar in a stand up fight?
Brock just Ko’ed Couture, something that I give Mir NO CHANCE IN HELL OF DOING!!!! Unless Brock has a glass Jaw, which I doubt….I cant see Mir winning the striking or the clinch battles.
- If Mir is losing the stand up, can he take Brock Down?
I really dont see this happening. I guess theoretically Mir could pull guard and try to drag brock down to the mat, but I think Brock is strong enough to Keep Mir from dragging him down, or turning it into a slam.
Just my 2 thoughts. Curious to get some feedback from you guys on those 2 questions. Thanks, and this is why I love this site!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only Frank Mir fight I really wanted to see will never happen now. I wanted to see Mir vs. Werdum but the UFC is just gay, and they cut him!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, he can beat brock in the stand up…quite easily I think, which nullifies question 2, because Brock will take him down and then get submitted. You really got “Brock is a world class striker” from his match with Couture? If thats the case, I don’t know what fight you were watching, Randy got caught, plain and simple, he saw the punch coming and moved a bit slow, mir is in his prime, not 45!
by kevin on Feb 11, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think mir is better than you give him credit for john but he is and was over hyped since he beat roberto traven with an armbar. and the win over a zombie version of nog hypes hi even more. traven has great bjj but punch him in the face and he aint so great and thats what mir did. mir’s jits isnt even that good. not on the level of werdum or nog. and i feel it will be a little much to ask for frank to sub brock again even if he does get it to the ground. so i think brock takes it. oh and right on about alves-karo there in the other thread john boy. gotta agree with your statement
by the heat on Feb 11, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you sir!
I am pissed that the UFC cut Werdum. THe only fight I ever actuually wanted to see Mir in was against Werdum, so that Mir would get outclassed on his “bread and butter” ground game!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no hate about it kevin,mir is losing.has mir improved-yes but brock has improved even more.he almost killed mir in the first fight this time he does, and i don’t even like brock i would probally prefer mir to win but he won’t.
by roy on Feb 11, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What some of you are missing is that Mir has a very distinct advantage that none of Brocks opponents had. Mir knows exactly how fast and how strong Brock really is. That is invaluable knowledge to have. It’s one thing to estimate something and another thing to have experienced it 1st hand. IMO that is the deciding factor because his strength and his speed are his bread & butter.
by Machine on Feb 11, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin: I dont think that the Brock-ness Monster is a world class striker at all… I think Mir’s stand up is Garbage and that he doesnt like to get hit in the face. He out struck a mummified version of Big Nog, and who else? Wes Sims? I think Brock has tons of room for improvement in the stand up, but I think he is the tougher man, has the longer reach….and will get the edge in the stand up! Mir has 1 combo for crying out load!
Question: Do you ever think that Mir could finish Couture standing?
MMA math doesnt mean anything, but I just think the kind of power, speed and reach that Brock has, masks many of the holes in his striking. Mir doesnt have that luxury.
Machine: its a good point, but not really! Brock only threw one punch against Mir, and the rest of the fight was spent with Brock raining down Hammer fists until Mir grabbed a hold of his leg. I dont think its enough to really gauge the speed and reach of Brock, but Yes he has already tasted the power….dont know if thats an advantage or just a scar4y thought!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FRANK MIR in the 1st by DDT.
Seriously though, what could possibly be Mir’s plan to limit damage on the ground so it doesn’t get stopped in the 1st.
God I hope Mir has a legit plan and isn’t just hyping the fight.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Feb 11, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brock is gonna destroy him worse than the first fight. This fight Is a lock, I hope the odds come around even.
by Rashad-Marquardt-GSP-Sherk on Feb 11, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brock is going to whoop that ass! I cant wait to bet $ ON THE “brockNESS mONSTER”!!!!!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was wierd… John had a comment saying Kimbo would fight Shad for the LHW belt.. I commented, then John’s post turned to this, and mine got lost somewhere.. weird..
by Synyster [[2009 Year of Gegard Mousasi]] on Feb 11, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just like all that money you better on Nog? haha just pulling your chain!
by josh on Feb 11, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John, it surprises me a lot that you would like Brock Lesnar
by Dave on Feb 11, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am too Dave. What’s up with that John?
by BOW on Feb 11, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont like Brock all that much, I just HATE MIR with a passion. The UFC doesnt have many Heavyweights worth rooting for over brock. If Brock were in Affliction I would root against him all the time, but the UFC HW division is just TRASH!!! I hate it! The future looks decent with rising stars like cain, dos Santos and Carwin, but right now Who can I really root for against Brock? Probably only Nogueira!
Where as affliction has fighters like fedor, Arlovski, Werdum and Barnett who I am a big fan of!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brock-ness Monster . . . I like it. And Brock has probably been doing nothing more than training stand-up and submission defense. He’s not going to step into a leg lock again. Brock by battering Mir around the ring in the first and finishing him off in the second.
by PW on Feb 11, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
john~ dont waste your money on lesnar.
the man is a mental~freak and will surely buckle under the pressure.
he will not be able to compose himself to fight the man who beat him.
dont let your hatered for mir lose you cash~
you are a black~belt mania blogger with tons o knowledge~
you should know better then that~
mir has this fight~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 11, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I am a big fan of Brock, I just HATE Mir maybe even more so than I hate FORREST!!! Mir reminds me of a smug, ego-maniac, bugs bunny looking mOfo! I think he is just an over rated creation of the UFC marketing machine! Therefore, I hope Brock takes his F’in Head off!
I am more in AWE of Brocks physical and athletic capabilities. Also, the UFC HW division BLOWS, so I dont have many other fighters to root for over Brock with the exception of a TRUE Ol’ G…. Nogueira!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Synyster: Ufc 98 Kimbo vs. Rashad for the LHW title! Yeah Baby!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
u like that Pw? THe Brock-ness Monster! I think it could stick!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, its funny John, you hate all of my favorite fighters, i cant win haha
by Dave on Feb 11, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stink: Do u think that Mir can win a stand up fight against Brock? I sure dont! Do you think that Mir can take Brock down? I dont think so! Not trying to sound condescending, but I am curious to hear your input about those 2 questions.
Dave: Not saying that your favorites aren’t good…I just think they are basically “silver spoon” UFC fighters! I think they have had an easier path than most, but to their credit they have capitalized. Still I am not impressed with many of their big wins!
Question: Why has Frank Mir NEVER competed in Ahbu Dahbi?
The brock-ness MOnster baby! I nominated it, and PW and Stink backed it up! Its now an official mmaMANIA nickname!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m lost John…
by Synyster [[2009 Year of Gegard Mousasi]] on Feb 11, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That being said John, back to your Affliction comment I definitly think Mir could take almost any heavyweight in Affliction, I think he would beat Yvel, Rothwell, hes already beaten Sylvia, I think he could beat arlovski believe it or not, I also think he matches up better with barnett than most people think, the only one i know he couldnt take is Fedor, and as far as silver spoon fighters I think brock takes the cake for that one.
by Dave on Feb 11, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mir could not beat aa or barnett, yeah he should be able to beat gilbert because gilbert dosn’t have much of a ground game bur he is no where near there top 3 guys aa,barnett,and fedor.
by roy on Feb 11, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no i definitly think he could beat arlovski, the more i watch him fight, the less i believe in him, im still a fan but i think Mir could beat him, not saying andre couldnt beat him too but i also think he matches up well against barnett, he would definitly have to hone his striking, but ive always said about barnett if you can avoid getting smothered you can do pretty well, just my opinion
by Dave on Feb 11, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i see what your saying dave but mir has never been impressive to me, yeah he beat nog but nog looked fat and like shit so does that say alot?he beat a green lesnar barely and beat sylvia and thats about it.i would bet you never see him beat another top guy again but we will se after the lesnar fight how good he is or isn’t.
by roy on Feb 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir cant even beat Werdum! When Werdum isnt FAT, he would not only out strike Mir standing, but he would out class him on the ground!
AA takedown defense is too good for Mir to beat him. U think mir can stand with Arlovski?
Mir isnt getting Barnet to the ground either and Barnett is an amazing grappler anyway! So, NO he cant beat Barnett
and we wont even talk about Fedor!
Yeah, mir could beat Yvel, Big Country and Rothwell, but so what?
Speaking of Affliction. I dont think Mir could beat Babalu! hahaha
by john on Feb 11, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
john looks like the reson you dislike mir so much is because he is costing you alot of $$$$. question if mir unifies the belts which I believe he will will you ever bet against mir again because brock might not be able to walk out of the octogon on his own come fight night
by dia mette on Feb 11, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
of coarse I will bet against Mir again!
Beating brock is nothing special either. The guy has 4 fights! In the future he will be amazing but he still has many holes.
I dont think MIr can beat him again. Yes he costs me lots of money, but I NEVER liked him! I always thought he was a crappy fighter who made a career out of smoke and mirrors using him breaking Sylvia’s arm…..Bug deal, most blue belts can do that to sylvia!
I hate Forrest, but I see his skills! Mir, I dont think he is very good at anything besides ju jitsu! That is honestly how I feel!
by john on Feb 11, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure!!! Mr. Mur is gonna get his mouth shut with a 4x glove!
by the matt king on Feb 11, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir was surprised in the first fight by Brocks explosiveness and power, I don’t see that happening again here. Could actually make for a good fight. I’m torn between an all out assault by Brock and the possiblity of Mir using footwork to pick Brock apart a bit and avoid the bullrush takedowns. Win win either way. I like em both and don’t care who wins. Odds are Brock mauls him
by Crowls on Feb 11, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone above speculated that Brock is training nothing but stand-up. At the same time one’s got to think that Mir is training TDD and standing up after being taken down along with his new-found stand-up game. Mir knows 1st hand what Brocks physical capabilities are. If he can nullify the wrestling and Brock can defend the BJJ, we will find out who’s the better striker. Only problem is even if Lesnar is inferior on his feet, everyone lands at least one punch even in a losing effort, right? Brock’s size affords him extra power in his strikes. Which means he’s got a punchers chance (which I dont like).
by Machine on Feb 11, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see Brock beating on Mir like donkey kong again. This time it won’t get stood back up and Mir will be finished when the smoke clears.
by halljam2 on Feb 11, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i see it ending sub via leg lock agein
by Thebending on Feb 11, 2009 4:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brock should keep this one standing and keep hitting Frank with bombs. If he goes down wait for him to get back up and repeat whereas Frank may only have his submissions and will need it to go to the ground more than Brock.
Personally I don’t like any of these egomaniacs but I’d prefer if Frank won cos he deserves to be there more IMO. When are the UFC going to get a real HW champ.
by Ca$z on Feb 11, 2009 6:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ca$z: I agree one hundred percent! They both suck, but brock is the bigger douche! WAR: Mir after all hes such a great athlete! LOL
by BOW on Feb 11, 2009 7:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really think that Brock will make the same mistake twice, he was cautious against Randy Couture and will definately keep the fight standing and behead Frank Mir.
Brock is the real deal!
by LIVE LORDS on Feb 11, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed that Mazzagati is a horrible ref and saved Mir’s ass.. but Lesnar was punching the shit out of the back of his head. And Lesnar is an asshole… I think he is an amazing fighter and I was impressed with his talent, but it doesnt change that hes an ass
by Sp00ner1234 on Feb 11, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats right! BROCK is going to donkey kong that head!
by EIGH8T TCO on Feb 11, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is that “your brock” from the wwe ? is that where you became a fan, you know the place where it’s all fake….he was their champion wasn’t he….wasn’t it given to him, not much has changed ey there are a bunch of great heavyweight fighters that could beat brock it just he hasnt fought them has he! with a two and 1 record in the ufc he realy shouldnt have even touched the belt, the truth is brock has the title through the politics of it all and not through his tallent as a mma fighter i wouldn’t be suprise if he gets knocked out by a better fighter,
by had0k3n on Mar 5, 2009 8:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m interested in what these guys game plans will be.
by rydinlow on Feb 11, 2009 12:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
lesnar by ko flying knee 0:10 in the first round LOL
by kdawg on Feb 11, 2009 12:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
this IS mma, so anything can happen. 0:08 second knockouts happen and has happened, so i don’t see why not. hell he almost stopped mir in 30 seconds last time, minus the unintentional blow to the back of the head while mir was trying to avoid the concrete blocks that are lesnar’s fists.
by kdawg on Feb 11, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for being off topic guys but Im always too late for the discussions regarding my topic. Does anyone know how many tickets have been sold for ufc95?? I cant find info anywhere. Also does anyone know if any big fighters will be there with training partners etc?? for example wandi?? Id like to meet some of them!!
Thanks guys I appreciate any info!!
by mo on Feb 11, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you want to meet fighters \ bruce buffer :D etc. the best thing to do is ask around about what hotel their staying at. They’ll probably be there from at least the day before weigh ins and is the best opportunity for a few snaps
by MMAGreen on Feb 11, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, we managed to meet almost everyone in Dudlin just by finding their hotel.
As far as i’m aware not many tickets have been sold. Put it this way, the cheap seats are always the first to sell and yesterday you could still get 4 cheap seats sat together via Ticketmaster.
So if Ticketmaster still have them available i’d guess there no-where near selling out. On the plus side, this does mean you’ll be able to get down the front for photos etc.
by UKMMA on Feb 11, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet it doesn’t get stopped for blows to the back of the head!
by Fred on Feb 11, 2009 12:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
HAMMER FIST BY LESNER IN 0:10 :)
by Mr. Vince McMahon on Feb 11, 2009 12:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mir does have the technical ability to pull off another submission but it’s going to be damn hard to weather Brock’s early storm. And Brock is going to be much more aware since he tapped out last time. Should be an interesting rematch.
by Derek Neary on Feb 11, 2009 12:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mir is the true champ, having said that this fight will be much tougher than the first for him…
by Jizzo on Feb 11, 2009 12:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i agree completely. I am a huge fan of Frank Mir. He deserves to win this fight!
by horny for mma on Feb 11, 2009 7:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be just like the first fight… with the exception of the knee-bar by Mir.
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 11, 2009 12:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ya’ know it will be like the 1st Fight, except Brock’s Fist will exit through the back of Mir’s Head.
by DAVE on Feb 11, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it my imagination or is Mir Talking more Sh*t than ever? I think I remember him being like this when he was a past Champion. It’s been sometime since he’s been this big a Pr*ckHead.
by DAVE on Feb 11, 2009 12:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ya, its your imagination. I haven’t seen him talk any shit at all.
by That1Guy on Feb 11, 2009 5:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you 100% correct dave. he’s been running his mouth since being announed as the coach for TUF.
Brock will win this time.
by masters on Feb 11, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck yea, my boy Mir is gonna snap whichever bone in Lesnars body he chooses, first round.
MIR! MIR! MIR! MIR! MIR!
by Kibs on Feb 11, 2009 12:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol well i hope brock breaks every bone in his face :D
by shinbob on Feb 11, 2009 12:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lets Go Mir…Brock Doesnt Deserve It Yet
by Hotdamn on Feb 11, 2009 12:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Enough with this “he dosen’t deserve it crap!”. When does he deserve it? He already manhandled Couture who was at the time the real champ and beat Heath Herring like a red-headed stepchild. The man is a great wrestler with ubelievable speed, agility, power, size & strength. And for the record I don’t even like the guy but he does deserve it!
by Rich on Feb 11, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nah! gud luck mir…maybe u can pull this one up…we are all hoping…for mma’s sake…brock is the biggest clown in the ufc…
by gaara on Feb 11, 2009 12:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Frank Mir should use Machida’s fighting style, be elusive and keep circling and attacks from the outside with lots of kicks, isn’t Frank is a Karate practitioner?…flow like water & string like a bee..
by MaChida on Feb 11, 2009 12:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
His nose will be flowing.
I’ve never strung a bee. Sounds tricky.
by Jeremyjackson on Feb 11, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After seeing that commercial of Frank Mir saying there is probably 10 people in the world who can beat him and how he’d grab the baseball bat off you, I’m going for Brock. That was the worst commercial!
by Nick on Feb 11, 2009 1:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I Like Mir despite his annoying overconfidence. He is exciting and likes to go for the finish. But I think this Brock Kid is still growing! they sure grows’em big up there, all that corn. If Mir can avoid hamfist he might attack a joint. Thing is, whats changed? Nothing except brock has grown.
by observer on Feb 11, 2009 1:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Corn? Is that slang for, hgh & steroids where you come from?
by BOW on Feb 11, 2009 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My boy is gonna ride Mir all night. WOOOOOOOOOO!
by Mr. Vince McMahon on Feb 11, 2009 1:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brock Sapp you mean? RAWR IMA COMIN RIGHT FOR YOU!!!! NOW BROCK DONKEY KONG YOUS FACE!!! FEAR MY PENIS TATTOO!!!
by Kibs on Feb 11, 2009 2:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mir is a waaay bigger douche bag than Brock is .. Im going 4 the Vanilla Gorilla on this one .. bring ur Umbrella ’Murr" its gonna be raining hammer fists
by Jakob on Feb 11, 2009 2:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
my prediction
after a few hits and bruises
brock survives many sub attempts by mir
brock pounds away on mir like first fight
mir gets a hold of a guillotine
brock stands while being choked
muscles mir ont his shoulders while mir has hold of brocks neck tightly secured
brock stands in center of octagon with mir up and drops mir with an F5
mir is out but the ref is still laying on ground from a hit he took accidently
mazzagatti comes running out of nowhere and calls the fight
brock is champ
lol
or brock by tko 1st rd either way haha
by phenomenal angel on Feb 11, 2009 2:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Brock finished this fight with an F5 id go streaking.
by BMO on Feb 11, 2009 3:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know I wonder how many of the people on here cheering for Brock were doing the same in his fight against Couture?. You gotta love the sour grapes and bitterness of some fans after Nog gets smashed into oblivion all of a sudden they are the number 1 Brock fans. Whatever, Mir is simply too good at submissions for Lesnar to deal with at the momment he will get caught in any on multiple subs by Mir and tapped again.
by EJ on Feb 11, 2009 2:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d say most of them. They probably hadn’t heard of Randy Couture until Brock fought him.
by MMAGreen on Feb 11, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mir is badass, no doubt. But i think Brock has improved alot and his win over Couture is more impressive, IMO, than Frank’s over NOG.
I see the fight going similar to the first except Brock doesn’t get a BS stand-up and point reduction and takes home the undisputed HW Belt.
Brock via Donky Kong Hammer Fists round 2.
Couture vs NOG needs to happen.
by SoCalStunNa on Feb 11, 2009 2:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see it as more impressive. Randy was working brock until he got caught, it happens. I would still take
Randy in a rematch. I see where you are coming from though bc that was not the Nog we are used to seeing.
by BOW on Feb 11, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wat a way to end the fight phen…lol really living up to the entertainment side…
by gaara on Feb 11, 2009 3:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Mir will take this one. Brock has the potential to be a future great champion but he needs to learn the sport more. I think he is being set up for a fall like Kimbo did. Not to say the he’s comparable to Kimbo, he’s just in the same situation as Kimbo was. He’s head and shoulder’s above Kimbo. I just think that Mir’s experience and better technical skills in all facets of the sport is too much of an advantage. I also really don’t like Brock and what he brings to MMA. War MIR!!!
by Chief on Feb 11, 2009 3:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mir going to win via TKO first round.
by Khaos_Warrior on Feb 11, 2009 3:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mir was lucky to win the first fight because of Lesners’ inexperience. Mir was consatantly going for that leg the whole fight and Lesner still let him grab it in the end, that shows how inexperienced he was. That will not happen the seond time. Mir will not see the end of the second round. And if you Mir fans are thinking that Lesner will just stand there like Nog did and do nothing except be a punching bag, then you are in for a rude awakening. I am not a Lesner fan but I have always thought Mir was overrated and him beating a Nog that stood there and did absolutely nothing hasn’t changed that. Nog had got steadily worse since his Herring fight and was actually losing to Tim Sylvia. Randy, Carwin, Gonzaga and Kongo would all beat Mir. He is no way a top 5 figher, and will soon disappear down the Rankings after Lesner beats him.
by Ade on Feb 11, 2009 4:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree and think Mir takes any of the four out. Randy (old), Carwin (unproven against top level opponents), Gonzaga (inconsistent and ground game not at Mirs level), Kongo (poor ground game).
by MMAGreen on Feb 11, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And you believe this because of his lucky win over Lesner or because of his mediocre stand up which Nog made look better that it actally was. Kongo may have a poor ground game, but his takedown defence has vastly improved. He would knock out Mir before he had a chance to try and take him down. I doubt he would be able to take Kongo down anyway. I have seen nothing from Mir to show me that he is top 5, and the poor performances of his opponents will not fool me into thinking otherwise, like it seems to have most of his new fans.
by Ade on Feb 11, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
murr is right. I say he wins 3 mins into 1st round by arm bar
by TRIKZ on Feb 11, 2009 3:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
sorry but Mir has no chance. Brock continues to learn and is just too big and strong. Plus Mir is a jerk. Maybe we will see our first ending by death.
by Brian "CLAY "THE TICK" GUIDA on Feb 11, 2009 6:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the only way Mir wins is with a knee bar or leg lock…basically any below the waist submission…he wont be able to armbar Brock, he has said that himself that his arms are too big and strong to armbar.
by Chadx23 on Feb 11, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see Mir winning via submission again…
I’d say the one He did to Tank Abbot.
by pamirec on Feb 11, 2009 4:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This site would be SO much better if the comment boards were eliminated from each page.
by Rich B on Feb 11, 2009 4:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am really hoping it ends the same way, but quicker. I want Mir to have the belt and Brock to drop back and take on Carwin/Gonzaga or Cain V.
by DownUnder on Feb 11, 2009 4:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mir is so full of shit that f,ing tomatoe can Is going to get an ass whooping He and Bj are both full of them self.
by Jack Meoff on Feb 11, 2009 5:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
FRANK “MURRR” is going to get his head knocked off, it will actually come off. lesnar by anyway he wants at any time he wants to. hey jack meoff, are you related to ben dover and phil mccrakin? good handle, great comment , they are both huge ego idiots.
by daz on Feb 11, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by pUniSHment on Feb 11, 2009 5:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
For not bothered by Lesnar he sure does talk about him a lot.
by El Mexicutioner, formerly The Mexicutioner on Feb 11, 2009 6:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The question is had Brock learned enough to avoid the submissions. Not necessarily the escapes or counters just what positions to see developing and move. Like when a leg gets in front of your shoulder in guard … get the hell out a triangle or armbar are coming
by staples on Feb 11, 2009 6:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Frank got this again. Lesnar will never beat him.
by Jimmy on Feb 11, 2009 7:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Frank Mir is his own biggest fan, I have lost a lot of respect for him after saying that there’s only a few people in the world that can beat him in a fight. For f**k’s sake, do your talking in the cage, stop running your mouth every 10 minutes about what an amazing guy you are…
by Oskarbravo on Feb 11, 2009 8:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brock showed good cardio againgst Herring, probably better then anything Mir has shown in terms of cardio. Mir always gasses, again just like BJ Penn, hearing a fighter tell me that he has improved cardio is not enough… he has to go 5 rounds to prove it. Mir says he trains better now but I still have to see him go hard in a fight first… that being said I like Mir again in this fight.
by Robert(1) on Feb 11, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t get out of the first round, Lesnar either destroys him or does something stupid and Mir grabs and arm or leg/ankle
by The Slovak on Feb 11, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
John : Are you serious??? Ok.. him being signed to the UFc.. cool.. him dropping to 205 cool.. him getting a title shot.. now is not cool.. I hope this was just a joke.
by PhilQNY on Feb 11, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
John if thats right, I will eat my own shit, then drive to Philly and eat yours. God I hope this isn’t true.
by Synyster [[2009 Year of Gegard Mousasi]] on Feb 11, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s just me but I think that Gonzaga would kill Mir
by Ballam on Feb 11, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Frank is starting to sound like a out and out idiot. Sure he may win the fight. But why does he think the same Brock Lesnar will show up. He fought Brock in his 2nd fight, and many people think Brock would have won if not for a dubious call by Steve Mazzagati. And he got a gift against Big Nog, cause he was fighting Nog, when he had a staph infection. And if you look at Brock, he is greatly improving fight by fight. Its a pickem fight, why does this guy act like this.
by Payaam on Feb 11, 2009 10:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Off topic but I just got a nice chuckle watching Inside MMA top 10 rankings. They put Mike Brown ahead of Machida
by rydinlow on Feb 11, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like Frank but kinda hope Brock smashes him in this one. He comes back wins 2 fights and is talking like he is the king. Either way I cant wait to see this fight. Mir by sub or Brock by smashing.
by the spyder on Feb 11, 2009 10:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
id give the advantage to lesnar. the way mir beat nog is the blueprint for how lesnar is going to beat mir. play it safe and keep it on the feet at all costs.
by COR on Feb 11, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like both fighters and think is a tough fight to call, I think if Mir wins it will be something like the first (able to weather the storm) and if Lesnar wins it will also be something like the first but this time Frank wont be able to weather the storm.
I a side not Lesnar looks mean in the pic! If I where him I would have that hanging on my wall!
by jet99 on Feb 11, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I liked brock in wwe I was still a kid then
Now he’s in ufc I’m still a fan
I ordered dynimite when he made debut
And I saw potential then
I still wish he fought man choi
I like randy too and wanna see rematch but if he’s still gonna train with randy its prob unlikely
Mirs cool too I wanted him to beat nog but his talk is worse than brocks
About brock breaking under pressure I doubt
Come on he did wrestlemania
by phenomenal angel on Feb 11, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brock will try and stand and bang. Mir will do the same becasue it is so hard to take Brock down. So what will happen? Mir will use kicks and temp Brock into a takedown then band submission.
by hatteras on Feb 11, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Remember that Randy and Herring were very favorable match-ups for Brock. Both have no submission game to speak of and that is and always will be Lesnar’s biggest weakness.
Brock took away Randy’s biggest strength in his wrestling. He also didn’t let Heath work his stand-up much by dumping him on his ass.
Against Mir or any other guy with top notch jits, Lesnar will always be threatened by the fight going to the ground. That said, Brock has a ton of power and has proved his striking game is no joke. He can pound out Mir, but I see him as a sizable underdog in this fight.
by revjames13 on Feb 11, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brock wins this fight. Let Stinky throw away more money. I’d flip a coin before I’d trust his picks.
by pancake head on Feb 11, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brock just really needs to work his sub defense like crazy, get a different ref than he had the first time and repeat, this time without the dumb mistake.
by nathan on Feb 11, 2009 6:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
For Lesnar to win, he must use the same gameplan as Mir used against Nog in december.
by bill on Feb 18, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly, Lesnar wins if he comes out strong like he did in their first encounter. If you have watched Lesnars workout routine you can see he has the stamina to go all out for 5 minutes. If Lesnar stays back and waits like he did against Randy, Mir will wear him down and sub him. Either way I am looking forward to seeing a truly explosive match.
by Eds119 on Apr 1, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…there’s so many Frank-haters here. FORTUNATELY, there’s one who respects Mir; FEDOR. In an interview before he fought AA, the no.1 P4P in the world ranked Frank Mir in the top 3 in the world’s HW.
…as for the second fight against Brock, I think Lesnar will keep it on the feet which I think will test Mir’s improved striking. (but I hope Frank uses his karate background ala Machida) As a Mir fan, I must admit it will be hard for Frank to trade punches with Brock considering that beast’s huge fist. And maybe Brock improves on BJJ defense.
…I honestly believe Mir cannot take him down on a wrestling take-down BUT if I am Mir, I will shoot not for the legs but near the foot and subsequently put Brock off-balanced then go for a Tank Abott heel/foot lock.
by joni on Feb 20, 2009 12:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
ufc 98 wil still proabably not shut up all the people who say brock dosnt belong even after he pounds frank into submision there will still be the nay sayers….LESNARS THE TRUE CHAMP
by Mr. Dibiase on Feb 20, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
fuck mir brocks gonna spank his bitch ass
by jayden on Feb 21, 2009 1:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
concerning mister Brock Lesnar
Brock lesnar is a fool. He thinks he can whoop fedor. HAHAHAHAHA that is funny. He thinks he can whoop Frank mir. Already had the chance and coudn’t pull it off. ok so his record is 3-1 and he is the champ. this dude is all hype. why can’t anyone see that. he knocked out one tough guy (Randy couture) and that’s because he is bordering on elderly. i love randy couture but he’s too old. everyone who fights brock lesnar is intimidated by his size. big deal. his sportsmanship is totally f-ed and his attitude sucks. he failed at every other avenue he has tried in life and he will fail in this one because you know what brock? NOBODY CARES HOW MUCH MUSCLE YOU HAVE!!!!!!! you are not trying to impress a room full of BS 6 year old WWE fans. this is a real sport with real skills involved and you will not be able to rest on intimidation alone. Kimbo slice had to figure that out the hard way and you will too.
by rilly on Mar 4, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I see all the talk about lesnar not makeing the same mistake but what people dont understand is that he is a young fighter and he dont have to make the same mistake. If he makes any mistake his ass will belong to mir.
by nate on Mar 4, 2009 6:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ok any1 who thinks lesnar will win is a complete and utter cocknose, mir will end it in the first round, even if he cant take it to the ground he can still out strike him any time, the only experience striking lesnar has is nerf chairs in the WWE. You better pray lesnar doesnt bum rush him again that will loose him the fight by submission it will leave him WIDE open
by Andy on Jun 13, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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