Clay Guida: Bad hair, bad judging account for majority of 'Carpenter' split-decisions

I want more DRAWS. If you don’t win by two points, you tie. It would make fighter records mean more. Someone consistently humping thier way to a decision would have a lot of draws instead of wins. Makes sense to me b/c if you were simply humped, but you weren’t damaged, you really didn’t lose a fight. And if you hump someone but don’t deliver significant damage, you didn’t really beat anyone up.

And then there are fights like Henderson vs Franklin where it seems wrong that Franklin get’s the same L for that fight that as BJ gets after getting dominated for four rounds.

I agree there should be more draws but not for all 29-28 fights. They just need to be more liberal with giving out 10-10 rounds. Or they finally can remake the whole judging system like they should have done a long time ago.

i saw the fight but i dont think it was that bad. for some reason this site seems to be hating on guida the most. he needs to disengage in the clinch a bit and let the arms go but it wasnt as bad as say rashad vs bisbing or hughes vs lytle or couture vs ortiz

Eazy, I really would like to see all 29-28 fights called a draw. MMA is supposed to be more about the finish, not a drawn out point system like boxing. Even if we all agreed on a 29-28 decisoin, I don’t know…..I just feel like if you don’t whip the guys ass you don’t quite deserve a W. A L would mean you got your ass whooped. A W would mean you whooped the other guy’s ass. And a Draw would mean it was close, but no one took a real ass whoopin.

You can’t put Couture VS Ortiz in there, they are respectively both brutal GnP guys that often TKO their opponent, for once Ortiz was the one to get the GnP,,, Guida is not even a devestating GnP guy… no one gets TKO’d, unless it’s Guida himself.

Yeah, but then there would be too many draws. There are a lot of finds where there is a fighter who is clearly ahead, but not exactly laying a beatdown on the other guy. I strongly agree with the 10-10 round being more liberal. Hendo/Franklin is a great example. Parisyan/Kim is even better. I still have no idea how anyone can say there was a clear cut winner in that fight.

As for the Diaz/Guida fight, I think Guida should have won unanimously. It was not an exciting fight, but if you judge the fight using the the system set forth by the UFC, it did seem that Guida was a clear winner. Of course, you could use that boring fight as an example of why the current rules should be changed.

One point can win you a World Series, Stanly Cup, or Super Bowl… one hundredth of a second can win you a Gold Medal or NASCAR Championship…. and one point cannot give you a win on an MMA card?

Exactly DJ, because every example you mentioned isn’t subjective. You score the point or you don’t. However, with MMA there are human beings who have repeatedly screwed up these decisions. Even in boxing, it’s less subjective b/c it’s a lot of counting punches. In MMA, it’s never going to be easy to get everyone to agree and thus, I’d rather see draws than a win or loss that is based on whoever happened to be judging that night.

the thing i dont get about the scoring system in place, is when a wrestler takes a jits guy down, who should get the points for it? after all, isnt that where a jits guy wants to be also? diaz/geico fight was a great example, nate was closer then clay to finishing the fight ojn the ground. even more so on the feet also. my 2 cents for all that it matters.

Not if the wrestler gets an actual takedown. Even in a BJJ contest you are still awarded points for a takedown.

what hate? I complimented Guda for holding position, even during takedowns. By your own admission, Nate is the better BJJ guy and had a standup advantage, so Guida has to go Gray Maynard on him or could he train harder to improve on the skills he lacks?

You are probably the only one who enjoyed that fight..
I like guida but that fight and the danzig fight was extremely boring… if he continues to fight like that i wont be a fan.

I don’t consider what Guida did wrestling. He dry humped him up against the cage. He rarely even “wrestled him to the ground.” Nobody does less damage in their fights than Guida.

i may be the only one that enjoyed the fight but i don’t care. i love the wrestling and bjj part of mma. i would love to see clay fight maynard, that is after gray beats miller. the reason why u guys say clay “dry humped” nate is because clay didn’t want to give up a dominant position. everyone knows how slick nate is with submissions, so naturally clay didn’t want to get caught. u guys call it boring, but i call it a brilliant strategy.

Well I just hope his brilliant strategies stay on the undercards.

lol, I’m the biggest fan of bjj (besides Phil) on this site, nothing makes me happier than a night like saturday, but Guida doesn’t fit into that equation. Nate was taking him down at will, and guida was holding on. Yes he KEPT a position, but did nothing with it!

The Ballz on this caveman to complain about the judges! Diaz damages the F out of him, and he humps him in return! All he did the entire fight was hump away and throw an occasional Knee. Guida humped him so much that I think he covered almost every position in the entire KAMA SUTRA!!!!

If anyone should complain its Nate. Clay was Hurt at certain oints through out the fight while Nate was NEVER damaged. I look at it as a fight…winner should be dIAZ!!!

Pride had a much better scoring system than the UFC!!!!!

I know you love pride John, asdid I, but the corruption that plagued pride should never be compared to the testing and stringent rules that apply to UFC and nsac!

Scoring SYSTEM!!!! JUDGING the fight as a hole, over the BS boxing scoring system! Not to mention the better rules! I agree about the corruption but how can you disagree with me on scoring the fight as a hole?

at a quick glance I thought you called me an a@$hole. lol. NO, I can’t disagree, if someone pops right up after a take down (bisping/hammill) that should nullify the take down. I agree with you there john!

I was wondering if anyone else noticed that since we gave Machida so much shit on here that he changed his fighting style to be slightly more aggressive. He even said inhis interviews he was sick of people blogging about his “boring” fight style… Maybe clay will change up too once he reads how much we all hate him

People who give Machida crap have never seen the inside of a gym or just hate on him, pure and simple.

Guida, unfortunately, has a boring style, no doubt.

Hey Kevin, for a second it looked like john called you an asshole because he misspelled “whole”. Had he spelled the word correctly, there would have been no confusion.