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UFC 94 greasing controversy prompts UFC officials to consider new corner rules

What was supposed to be the biggest fight in UFC history has somehow mushroomed into the biggest controversy in UFC history, whether we like it or not.

During the main event of UFC 94 'St. Pierre vs. Penn 2,' cornerman Phil Nurse applied Vaseline to the back and shoulders of Georges St. Pierre, which is prohibited under the current rules of the sport. Ringside officials noticed the petroleum jelly on the backside of the Canadian and sprung into action, wiping him down with towels after rounds two and three.

"Rush" isn’t giving excuses for the incident, saying it was just a minor mistake caused by the between-round frenzy and was part of a breathing technique. UFC President Dana White — who is taking the issue very seriously — has since blamed "stupid" cornermen (Greg Jackson and Phil Nurse) for the infraction.

Lightweight champion BJ Penn — who was dominated by the Canadian for four straight rounds before he was unable to answer the bell for the fifth and final frame - recently requested that the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) investigate St. Pierre and his corner for "greasing" during their main event fight.

The letter to the NSAC states the application of Vaseline put Penn at a serious disadvantage during the fight because as a Brazilian jiu-jitsu specialist, "The Prodigy" relies on his ability to apply techniques and strategies designed to immobilize or cause potential injury to his opponent.

In light of the controversy and some gray areas regarding what is allowed and what is not, UFC officials are considering a change in the rules for cornermen.

A few of the proposed changes courtesy of SI.com:

  • Cornermen associated with the fighters will no longer be allowed to handle the Vaseline used in between rounds to treat and prevent cuts.
  • The UFC will now provide one cut man for each corner for the fight.
  • Only two people are allowed to enter the Octagon between rounds so if a cut man is necessary to apply Vaseline or work on a cut, one of the other cornermen working with the fighter must exit the cage to allow the cut man to work.

Penn and St. Pierre have been engaging in a very public war of words over the incident. St. Pierre vehemently denies any cheating allegations and promises the results would be the same in a third fight - even going so far as to offer to fight him again.

Penn has accepted his challenge and wants Dana White to set it up for the summer of 2009.

Unfortunately outside of Penn and St. Pierre, not too many people want to make a possible third fight a reality. Whatever hype and excitement that existed prior to January 31 is now long gone thanks to a greasy back and week of finger pointing.

If the cornermen involved in the controversy are facing disciplinary action, then hopefully it comes quickly and quietly so that we can get back to the business of cage fighting.

No matter where you stand on the issue, I know there are at least two other people, like me, who want this matter to be resolved in a timely manner.

Their names are Kenny Florian and Thiago Alves.

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how about not allowing anyone inside the octogan? let the fighters hear from the outside and not get repaired…more blood.

by tonydanza on Feb 7, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

i didn’t see a problem till gsp’s corner f@cked all up on the 31st.
great going jerks

by Mikeybear2009 on Feb 7, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I never understood why anyone other than the cut man went into the octagon to begin with. they can work on the guy, and the corner man can talk through the fence! Problem solved!

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

They should still allow one person in to massage kinks and clean the mouthpiece. That is all they need. But having an official apply vaseline is a great idea. No one associated with fighters should have access to lubes of any sort. That will solve this problem and maybe save fighters money on the extra guy not needed.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with what they are going to do, what has happened in the past in this fight and any other fight is history. We don’t know for sure if this has been a problem in the past but there has been accusations that other fighters have abused the vasoline. This will prevent any fighter in the future accidently or purposely from having vasoline put on any part of there body besides the face. Not only did this fight show us one of the greatest fighters in the world ’GSP’it will change the corner rules forever. A history making fight. This takes nothing away from GSP, if anything like any other major sport UFC will inprove it rules but GSP’s corner men might have to pay the price? Can’t wait for both fighters to fight again and put this hoopla in the past.

by Beaver on Feb 7, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i got guys in another thread telling me to let it go, and how bad I sound. I’m not complaining for BJ, and have admitted he would have lost regardless, I’m complaining because this is bad for the sport! Finally mma is mainstream, and the casual fan sees this! Then other fighters come out and say it’s common…it’s like when steroids were “acceptable” in baseball, it’s wrong!

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This doesn’t solve anything other than gross infractions in the middle of bouts. There are plenty of things that fighters can take so that when they start sweating, they become oily fish.

by NameNotRequired on Feb 7, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yup, it’s already alleged

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Kevin, BJ’s BAD! for the sport, we don’t hear you rambling about why he’s not “acceptable”?

by Ro-J on Feb 7, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

how exactly is talking trash to hype a fight “bad for the sport?” it’s good for ppv #‘s, good to draw attn to urself and good for both fighters. Someone has to be the “bad guy” in a fight, or to the average joe, it’s not interesting! Why do you think Tito makes so much money and is actually in demand?! he’s the best at it. Who easn’t interested in Tito/Ken 3, and that was all hype!!

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe eating things that make your sweat more slippery is possible and maybe Jackson’s guys have been doing it for years and that is their secret weapon. Is it illegal? Is it even possible? Can everyone do it? I see no problems with doing everything inside the rules to give yourself an advantage, do you?

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

nope!! Within the rules is the key. I’ve read that 2 hours prior to the fight, you rub sunscreen on. it dries but comes out of your pores when you start to sweat! is that legal?

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see anywhere in the rules that it isn’t. I mean you would have to be a low-life to use something like that. But like in baseball(pre-2004) if it’s not illegal use it and hope no one brings it up. I just read on SI that A-Rod tested positive along with 104 others in 2003. Why is that sport even on T.V. anymore?

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Kevin, I know you are a big BJ supporter to be honest I can’t stand him. I did however gain a lot of respect for him after the beating he took in rounds 2,3,&4. I had a chance to watch the fight for a second time. On the night of the fights I had a lot of people over and wasn’t able to pay attention as well.

Personally I thought that BJ was just being BJ until I watched this fight a second time. When BJ was in mission control after GSP’s first take down in the second round that is when things seemed a little bit weird to me. It didn’t seem like BJ was able to hold it as easy. I know that GSP is much stronger than BJ but it seemed weird to me. Also BJ tried for a high guard and it kept slipping down. I wouldn’t say anything but between round 1 and 2 GSP’s stupid cut man was rubbing his face with the Vas. After he finished with his face he started rubbing down his shoulders and chest which would have made it very difficult for BJ to maintain those positions.

Unless the NSAC cleaned it off prior to the round starting something needs to be done about that for sure. Round 2 is when GSP landed some huge shots and kept bj on the matt for the entire round. Now even though the vas didn’t have anything to do with most of the shots landed in the round. It was the first elbow and a few punches at the beginning of the round that hurt bj the most in my mind. We have all seen it many times if you get hit with elbows in that position it puts you on queer street and it takes quite a bit of time to recover from that. That gave GSP the opportunity to land a lot of punches during the round.

Now the outcome may not have changed but personally I don’t think it would have been as lop sided as it was. I have been telling all of you BJ fans to get over it since the end of the fight but now I am not so sure. I know a lot of people aren’t going to like seeing another post on the subject but I agree with you guys that something needs to happen.

by MMAFan1981 on Feb 7, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

HA Ha! Good. I said this on the day after and everyone said I was an idiot.

I don’t think GSP would of lost if there was no vas, but I do think it was wrong and that someone should pay.

Investigate. Is GSP a cheater? No. Was his corner? Yup.

by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 7, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No one seems to be giving any credit to GSP’s ability to fight off a high guard. Even your average fans knows the basics of defending such a guard game and he was doing just that. Everytime BJ moved his legs up, GSP shoved his elbows onto bj’s chest and moved his entire body forward (head towards head) while staying heavy and posturing up. It’s impossible to say that BJ was having a hard time controlling him because of the vas or technique. I believe the latter.

by NameNotRequired on Feb 7, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

“If the cornermen involved in the controversy are facing disciplinary action, then hopefully it comes quickly and quietly so that we can get back to the business of cage fighting.”

Jesse said it best

by McArthur on Feb 7, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

True, and honestly, this whole grease thing is not hurting this sport in the eyes of the “casual” fan. The casual fan doesn’t go on websites like these, and all the casual fans that I know don’t even know about it. I will say, “Did you hear about the GSP-Penn fight?”, and all they ever say is “Yeah, Penn got his ass kicked!”.

by naturalshadow on Feb 8, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

How about a third ass kicking – LET’S DO IT – SHUT THESE losers up. I cannot wait to see GSP break through Penns guard – every fighter has someone they cannot beat.

by Rusty Springs on Feb 7, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

it would be a second ass kicking, he won the first fight but far from delivered an ass kicking

by Crowls on Feb 7, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I also heard that Penn said that Nurse applied crazy glue to Penn’s stool just before the end of the 4th round, and if it wasn’t for that, he would have been able to get off of his ass and finish the fight.

by naturalshadow on Feb 8, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

dont make a third fight im sick of penn, hes a fuckin idiot. just let gsp fight alves and get penn to finally fight florian. if bj wants another ass whooping make it in a gym or sumfin dont waste a ppv on this shit

by Jared on Feb 7, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

BJ is a Joke! I had lot’s of respect for him before his vasiline bullshit but now I guess his true colours are shining through. He can’t beat GSP on his best day. He’s a spoiled little quiter I hope Kenny kicks his ass too!!

by Mean Dean on Feb 9, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Fucking Phil Nurse.

by El Mexicutioner, formerly The Mexicutioner on Feb 7, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

I just read that GSP has 20 days to respond to the commission, then there will be a hearing is the NSAC deems it necessary (which with all the publicity is a given). This really taints GSP’s destruction of Penn. It doesn’t matter who you were rooting for or what you think, it’s bad for the sport!

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Somebody made a good point before, I cant remember who it was. If BJ took GSP’s back, then put his face on GSP’s back, GSP now has vaseline from BJ’s face on his back! If GSP kicked BJ in the face theres now vaseline on GSP’s foot. Or even jabing a fighter in the face, you now have vaseline on your gloves. It was a dam good point! Theres no “taint” in GSP’s win! Oh… and whos the real Mental Midget?

by JV on Feb 7, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

People don’t want to hear the truth JV, you are wasting your time and so am I.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

kevin, you need to stop the fuckin crying, you are as pathetic as your “FAT LITTLE PUDGY FELLOW”b.j. ,he got his ass kicked and he threw in the fuckin towel!!! go to your happy place and stop the bitch like attitude, gsp will kick the living shit out of your “FAT LITTLE PUDGY FELLOW” again , it will be no good for the sport or for all you bj nutthuggers.

by daz on Feb 7, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

daz are you not nuthugging yourself? That is like saying EVERYONE WHO USES CAPITALS WHEN THEY TYPE IS GAY. Kevin is a good fan who doesn’t jump ship the first time his favorite fighter loses, so what? Did you see all the posts on here after GSP lost to Serra? People were saying he has no chin, he lost to a midget so he is overrated. What is wrong with sticking up for your favorite. I know if GSP did somehow lose that fight I would be on here demanding a rematch and calling the win a fluke. I think maybe you are in love with Kevin, yes?

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Fact is BJ lost. I have seen a few interviews with fighters & commentators all who have said the vasoline would not have changed the outcome of the fight. But if your a fan of BJ you have something to hold on to for awhile and for your sake you better hope GSP doesn’t have a rematch, you won’t have a vasoline excuse. But I love it I think this BS will bring out the beast in GSP and whoever his next opponents are watch out, A raging GSP is coming for you. GSP is always been such a sportsman in the ring and out of the ring I hope this fights happens BJ might have no choice but to retire. Come on UFC let us watch another BJ slaughtering he deserves it.

by Beaver on Feb 7, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I HOPE GSP gets FINED and BANNED FRO LIFE as WILL MARGARITTO FOR IMPROPER HAND RAPS

by GORANDY on Feb 7, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

goo comparison. I don’t want anyone banned for life, but there has to be consequences!

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Gorandy, shut up. They are going to ban GSP for life? He didn’t do anything wrong, you guys are over-reacting to the amount that was accidentally applied.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

“overreacting?” the is no “i didn’t know” in life! Go receive stolen property and tell the judge “i didn’t know it was stolen” see what happens! Barry Bonds said he didn’t know he was taking steroids, this time next year he’ll be in jail! Sherk “didn’t do steroids” but got suspended. I could go on forever!

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Kevin, I would love to place a bet with you on Bonds. I can all but guarantee you he won’t be in jail. They are trying him for perjury because he said he never “knowingly” used steroids. Try proving to a jury that he lied when his personal trainer who administered the steriods won’t be a witness. Ain’t happenin.

by Diceman on Feb 7, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

good point diceman!! He knew though, but yesterday the judge all but excluded calendars and positive tests administered by MLB because they were deemed confidential! He could be convicted, and IMO did lie and did knowingly use steroids, but unfortunately he may get off. I hate cheats!

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do you think they are changing the rules? It only says you can’t apply excessive vasoline, it says nothing about a little accidently, sneakily or however that tiny bit was applied. With more concise rules things like this won’t happen. I find it extreemly hard to believe that GSP’s corner would knowingly try to cheat in such a blatent way with several cameras and millions watching. It just doesn’t make sense.

by Gord on Feb 7, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

you guys a emotionly attached to this, wow!

by Ro-J on Feb 7, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys are delirious. I agree that they need to make a decision regarding this and they obviously have, but banning GSP for life will not happen. As I have stated before and as Gord stated, you’d have to be a retard to try and cheat when there are millions watching….only the Penn camp would be dumb enough to do that since they do not know how to prep a fighter before a match.

Get off the steroid, vaseline, fish oil, or whatever else kick that you GSP haters are on right now. This guy devotes his life to training and fighting honorably – more than what some of the other UFC doorknobs have to offer. For example, they should have banned Rampage and Neer since they are both drunks who do not provide a good image for the UFC.

I wish they make a decision soon to stop this BS. Also, GSP doesn’t have to respond in 20 days, it is the cornerman as stated below;

“Competitors are generally allocated up to 10 days to file a formal complaint. But Kizer said an investigation is already in progress, including a review of video tapes of the welterweight champion’s corner in between rounds. He also said that Nurse and Jackson, the accused cornermen, have up to 20 days to submit a response to Penn’s letter. "

Too many guys making statements without any facts. If you knew the sport, you wouldn’t sound like idiots.

by deadgrassinyard on Feb 8, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

wat a nob u r gorandy!! banned 4 life r u kiddin!

by Lee on Feb 7, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i think thats alittle extreme bro. i’m a HUGE bj penn fan, and i’m pissed anout this whole greasing thing. but as a HUGE mma fan, seeing gsp banned for life will be a sad day. i’m not calling gsp a cheater, but i will say his corner men are retarded!

and if there is a third fight i will still back up my boy bj! WAR PENN!!!

by Xander the Great on Feb 7, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL Xander BJ would get killed again, he might put a better fight now that he knows what GSP will throw at him but the end result will remain the same. If they do it again I think they both should fight their top contenders in their division BJ/KF & GSP/Alves. Then fight in a undercard fight at a future UFC…maybe UFC. Dana and most MMA fan’s know what the result will be so and that’s another GSP domination. With knowing this this the UFC might not want to waste a fight on their contracts unless they both agree this will be an wxtra fight on their contract? Either way both fighters have hardcore fan’s that will watch but I don’t think the UFC will put it as the main card…unless they put it on cable? Either way it will be another beating the GSP fan’s will enjoy.

by Beaver on Feb 7, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Beaver, are you serious? Undercard? Do you think either of these guys will ever fight on the non-televised portion of a fight card ever again? They should never fight each other again, ever!

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

“under card” isn’t the same as “non televised”, under card is anything before the main event!

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Beaver: i agree that bj should take care of ken-flo first. and alves deserves a title shot. i say after the champs fight thier respective challengers, then bj and gsp should fight again. but i don’t think bj will get “dominated”. and there is no way gsp or bj will ever, EVER fight on the under card portion.

hell i’m sure alves will beat gsp anyways. my only regret is that bj won’t get to take the WW belt from gsp, cause i know alves will!!

by Xander the Great on Feb 7, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry guy’s I didn’t mean undercard…LOL The fight before the main card. Like a fight before Rampage vs. Evan’s.

by Beaver on Feb 7, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I misunderstood as well, thanks for the clear up Kevin. I still don’t see them fighting again, though, ever for any reason. It’s not a competitive fight and the fans would never pay to see it again. If you like total decimation like that you could rent a snuff film for cheaper.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t jay I think peaple would pay to see them again. GSP fan’s will watch any of his fights and BJ fan’s will too. Both fighters have a good fan base. We all know BJ will play the vasoline card to fuel the next fight. But I think UFC should have a co main event if this fight happens again just incase?

by Beaver on Feb 7, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I have paid for every card I possibly can on PPV. UFC and Affliction. I don’t think I have missed any besides the ones I was at live. I for one would not pay to see BJ get his way again. Same as I wouldn’t pay to see Tito/Ken4, or Spider/Franklin3.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

A third fight will be about as exciting as Serra and Hughes.

by DirtyML on Feb 7, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

not if its at 155

by ja434650 on Feb 7, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its a great idea to have a UFC appointed cutman in each corner and only one trainer/cornerman in the ring between rounds.So I guess something good came of this afterall!

by vince on Feb 7, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

honsetly im very irrritated to that corner man of GSP Phil Nurse even before this greasy thing issue, i dont know why… and now i have a valid reason to hate him more…

by mad_drummer on Feb 7, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Name one reason why you have even heard of the guy before this. You haven’t.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

NSAC is so slow. Just give us the report and it’ll be over with.

As for fight no.3, it’s not happening. Nobody wants it, including Dana, GSP and Penn. Why?

- DANA DOESN’T WANT IT BECAUSE: he has bigger plans for GSP. GSP is the most marketable MMA fighter for the non MMA public. GSP is the fighter Dana needs to make UFC mainstream and turn “area men and women” into MMA fans. Another fight with Penn wouldn’t be an efficient use of the GSP diamond.

- GSP DOESN’T WANT IT BECAUSE: he has already lost enough time showing how weak Penn is. He has bigger fish to fry (Alves, maybe Silva, maybe a move at 185, etc.). If the UFC forces him to fight Penn again, he’ll do it. But everybody (including Dana, GSP and Penn) knows he’ll just trounce BJ once more.

- BJ PENN DOESN’T WANT IT BECAUSE: he knows he’s going to get killed. He took GSP’s joke (rash guards) challenge because he knows Dana won’t let it happen. Penn knows he has no chance, but knowing it won’t happen, he can pretend he wants it. Typical BJ, all talk, no walk.

by ftg314 on Feb 7, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Very well stated, especially the “typical BJ, all talk, no walk.”

by BigRedOne on Feb 7, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

good post.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

BJ is just so humiliated by the pathetic showing that’s he’s grasping at straws to save a little bit of face. Obviously GSP wasn’t trying to cheat or the incident wouldn’t have happened right there in the ring in front of everybody and in front of the TV cameras. The UFC reps jumped in and toweled GSP off… so what’s the problem?

Hey BJ, explain to me how any of this helped GSP beat your smug little face in when striking? You were beaten like a mistreated animal. Show some dignity and just move on. Best way to save face here is to win your next fight.

by Campea on Feb 7, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i don’t know. i think ur right about dana not wanting it. but i have a feeling that gsp will fight penn agian to prove that it wasn’t the extra vaseline that won the fight. and dude bj penn talks alot but he isn’t afraid to fight ANYONE. he would move up to 185 just to see if he can beat a. silva! he’ll keep wanting gsp until he beats him. so saying bj penn is all talk and no walk is just ludicrous…

by Xander the Great on Feb 7, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

“I’m going to kill you GSP”

“I’ll fight to the death”

“He (GSP) will think I’m God”

BJ is ludicrous, not me. Come on Xander.

by ftg314 on Feb 7, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

ftg314, you just cut and pasted this exact statement on Junkie too. Do you only get one good thought a day?

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i never said bj didn’t talk shit. he talks ALOT of shit, but he NEVER backs down from a fight. so technically, bj penn is all talk AND all walk.

by Xander the Great on Feb 7, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

jay… what’s your point?

When a newspaper or website publishes an Associated press or Reuters or Bloomberg article, do you write to them saying: “you just published the same article 10,000 other papers and websites just did, do you only get one good thought a day?”

Am I under contract to post different posts on all forums? jay, lol.

by ftg314 on Feb 7, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Let him talk, that’s all he will be able to do against GSP. But we all know BJ will lose again and we are willing to pay to see it. Let’s get it on. I think BJ will have to prove himself vs. Kflo before he earns a right to fight GSP again. I think BJ will try and duck Kflo though he wouldn’t want to lose his LW belt just after taking the beating of his life. I say on the same card Kflo vs BJ and GSP vs Alves UFC 100. They both win let’s see it again?

by Beaver on Feb 7, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ftg314, that wasn’t what I meant. I just thought that what you said was brilliant. A little bit of hater snuck out until I read some of the things you said on the other site. You are cool guy, sorry for the disrespect. I had a bad moment.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

No prob. You’re classy. Unlike that other guy we know.

by ftg314 on Feb 7, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually think Penn does want this fight. He can get a big payday for it and save some face losing to GSP more than the face he will lose when he loses the 155 belt to Florian. BJ and Dana have tried everything to keep Florian away from his titel shot for the last year +.

by KMac on Feb 7, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

I think he would get less money for GSP/Penn 3 than he would for Penn/Florian.

Is BJ that afraid of Florian?

Does Dana love BJ that much?

by ftg314 on Feb 7, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a huge Kenny Florian fan and even bigger fan of Delagrati (sp) but I don’t think Kenny can beat BJ!

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Kenny is going to demolish BJ, Quote me on that. As bad as we have just witnessed or more!

by Ro-J on Feb 7, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, how? he couldn’t finish an over rated Huerta!

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody talking about Huerta possibly being “greased” up. Oh yeah ,because he is not as dominate and did not embarrass a world class athlete and make him look amateurish. I hope someone digs up vids of that fight and sees something.

As Danzig said and others have said MANY times….greasing, and I mean ENTIRTE back and legs, NOT JUST a touch of the back and shoulders with a hand that may of had a little vaseline still on it, is happening and it s happens OFTEN.

It is so easy to coat yourself in a lotion for or some products that dry in an hour or 2….then add sweat and the ENTIRE body becomes more slippery. There are MANY fighters doing it. And, GUARANTEED, if the ALL UFC fights are REVIEWED from past 5 years……there would be SO MANY that have had a trainer put vaseline on a face…..then accidently touch their back or shoulders. I would bet that it happens a lot.

GSP is just getting thrown over the coals because he is so bad ass

by fightfan on Feb 7, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

actually kenny did say huerta was slippery

by kevin on Feb 7, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think people would be interested to see pierre move down to 155. He could do it, it’s possible. Some guys cut to 155 from 180. It’s annoying that Penn always has to go into Pierre’s world and then everyone says Pierre is better.

by ja434650 on Feb 7, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

My god I hope for all the 155 pounders that GSP can’t do that. His reign of terror would be endless! Oh the calamity! GO St-Pierre!

by ftg314 on Feb 7, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

St. Pierre will never drop to 155, why would he want to? He has to cut 17 pounds of water before a fight at 170. Do you think it would be wise for his body to cut 32 pounds the day before a fight? Give your head a shake.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

you can lose weight before fight week with a different diet and workout program buddy

by ja434650 on Feb 7, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You can cut your arm off or shave layers of your skin off your entire body, I didn’t say it can’t be done. I said he would have to be retarded to want to do it. What would GSP gain from going down in weight? What kind of workout program have you imagined that would allow a man to lose 35 pounds in 5 days and fight effectively against world class competition? I will check back for your secrets!!!

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, guys with SPARE TIRES cut from 180 to 155. Haven’t you noticed GSP is ripped at 187? Where is the weight loss going to come from? Most guys carry a good 15 lbs of extra fat on them, GSP would be over 200 if he carried the same fat content. GSP is maxed out at cutting to 170, he just doesn’t have an additional 15 lbs of water to lose.

by Gord on Feb 7, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he takes a big shit before the weigh in. Again, reading some responses on this site makes me wonder about the knowledge of some people. How and why would GSP want to fight at 155? As if he can with his musculature. Perhaps GSP should fight at heavyweight too…..

by deadgrassinyard on Feb 8, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

how does rubbing vaseline on your chest back and shoulders help with your breathing? i think GSP messed up by sayin this aint the first time they did this. i lost a lil bit love for GSP

by R.e.s on Feb 7, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

Dude, do you think they just rubbed it on GSP? GSP was towelled off in rnd 2 & 3. Keith Kizer said it was a very small amount but they made sure they wiped it off! It was just a stupid mistake bro.

by JV on Feb 7, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn’t touched at all after GSP was greased between the 1st and 2nd rounds. Only between the 2nd and 3rd, and then the 3rd and 4th was there an attempt at removing it.

by dualdiagnosis on Feb 7, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It is the chest rubbing that helps his breathing not the vaseline, do you read? Did he say we rub vaseline on my chest and shoulders to help my breathing?

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey res this has been known for ages by relaxing the muscles surrounding the lungs it will allow the fighter to breath easier because he is more RELAXED. Next time you workout put in a good effort and finish off by doing some sprints however many it takes you to have a hard time breathing make sure you have a partner. Sit on a stool and consintrate on breathing get your partner to rub your back and chest. It’s helps you relax and you breathe better when relaxed. You learn something everday hey R.e.s.

by Beaver on Feb 7, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

BJ should just shut the fuck up then and stay in his own weight class. He does not have to go up into GSPs world, he wants to AND GSP IS A WAY BETTER FIGHTER. GSP does not make the fights and did not ask BJ to move up. BJ did the same thing against Matt Hughes, he just thinks he can beat anyone and when he doesnt he makes excuses and whines. Matt even said BJ was disrespecting him by moving out of his division to fight him. Dude GSP is shredded at 180, there is no way he could cut that much weight and if he did he would beat BJ like a RENTED MULE AGAIN 3RD TIMES A CHARM.

by Spyder on Feb 7, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

I agree, it was close fight and I think the Vaseline was the differance……………..LMAO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! He needs to get away from Greg Jackson is what he needs to do, the guy is a wierdo. Maybe thats why a good portion of his fighters win all the time, maybe Gregs little Vaseline trick is why he is so popular and why he is so highly regarded in the sport, for having such great game plans. Maybe watch all of Gregs fighters and see what happens, maybe Jackson is the one that needs to be looked at here. If his fighters win he makes more money, more people want him to train them, maybe Jackson is the cheater here. Maybe its been so subtle that nobody has noticed till this point. YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW, ALL I DO KNOW IS THAT GSP DOES NOT CHEAT AND BJ GOT HIS ASS KICKED AGAIN!!!!!

by Spyder on Feb 7, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Your little conspiracy theory doesn’t explain all the wins like Rashad KOing Liddell or Nate TKOing Kampman or Jardine beating Liddell and Vera on the feet. Also it sure doesn’t explain his losses if all that is needed to win is a little grease. I guess they forgot to grease for those fights eh.

by Gord on Feb 7, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides GSP and Nate, who else does Jackson train that even wants the fight to be on the ground? Why would vaseline even be important to Jackson and his game plans?

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not, it’s only important to those looking for an excuse, BJ included. A very lame excuse at that. If there was a significant amount of vas on GSP than yes I could see it effecting BJ’s chances of winning, but in this case it is like sniffing a steroid needle and claiming that would give a fighter an unfair advantage.

by Gord on Feb 7, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i watched this thing on mmanews last night i was just wonderin about it but that makes sense thanks and jay f*ckoff nuthugger

by R.e.s on Feb 7, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

Hey R.e.s don’t you know any other insults besides nuthugger? Can I not be a fan of GSP without wanting to touch him sexually? Whatever happened to being a fan without wanting to freebase someones nuts? If you say something stupid and are called out on it, just realize your mistakes and perhaps think before you post next time.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Dear BJ,

STFU, GTFO, and FOAD.

YTF,

TI

by The Illuminati on Feb 7, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

BJ vs KenFlo and GSP vs Alves for UFC 100 would be nice, but BJ’s last LW defense was May 24th 2008. No champion should go 12 months without defending. BJ should lose his belt if he doesn’t defend before May 24th 2009.

by ftg314 on Feb 7, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Alves and GSP should be in montreal> april 18th, 3 month its perfect.

by Ro-J on Feb 7, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Jan 31-Apr.18 is 2 and a half. Georges takes 4 months off minimum. He won’t be fighting. If the UFC stops allowing Greg Jackson to corner fighters you may see him leave.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

GSP in Affliction? I don’t think Dana will let that happen. But then again in Affliction he might get paid a couple million per fight? Only problem is I don’t see Affliction staying around to long with the amount they pay their fighters combined with Afflictions fan base? GSp could help that out though.

by Beaver on Feb 7, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Affliction won’t be around when GSP’s contract runs out, but there are plenty of fight organizations in Quebec. He may just go back to TKO or something. I don’t see him leaving Jackson’s side, no matter what.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you know when his contract run’s out. I don’t think he’ll be able to fight for anybody besides the UFC until that happen’s?

by Beaver on Feb 7, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he should have 4 more fights on it. He signed a 6 fight contract extension before the Fitch fight, I believe. I know he isn’t going anywhere but what does he do if he cleans out the WW division and loses to AS? He will be stuck in the same shitty situation as AS and BJ.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Let Penn make all the excuses, same result for the third fight though, HE WILL GET MAULED AGAIn. I now even doubt if he will beat Florian.

by Phasebook on Feb 7, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

He will beat Florian. Just because he looked bad against GSP, doesn’t mean anything. Florian is not in the same league as Penn.

by jay on Feb 7, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What every one seems to be missing here is the actual rules of NSAC. It states that no excessive amount of lubricant can be applied to an un armed combatants body or face, penns camp doesn’t have a leg to stand on, nurse did nothing wrong according to those rules, other than give penn some lame excuse and stir up controversy. The new rule should have been clear a lone time ago, I wish nurse never did what he did but I don’t think it was intentional, nobodies that stupid to do that with all the camera’s on him.

The thing that sucks about it is now penn has his foot in the door of doubt he’s trying to say somehow it was a disadvantage and rendered his bjj ineffective. This is completely ridiculous he’s one of the best black belts in the world and blood, sweat, grease from the face transfer can get on a body and he’s completely ineffective?, thats crazy. What about his fight will stevenson the guy was covered with slippery blood and he had no problem there. They wiped gsp down after rounds two and three, even wiping off sweat which would aid gsp, and penn did WORSE after this, he has no arguement, what about the stand up? What is his excuse there? I hope the NSAC makes some statement soon as well as the ufc to clear this up, so gsp’s reputation isn’t tarnished.

by nathan on Feb 7, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

Good points. This whole controversy is being overplayed. Penn looks “small” here.

by Muscle Dolphin on Feb 7, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Very good point. They should allow in the new rules for the cut man to apply very small amounts of vaseline wherever the fighter would like, just nothing excessive.

It’s all relative. Excessive for GSP is a tube, excessive for BJ is any.

by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 7, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Excessive in this case equals any. Dana and Keith have made that clear.

by dualdiagnosis on Feb 7, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO GSP has way more other important opponents to face at this point. And Penn does too for that matter! BJ got whooped by GSP, well guess what, thats what usually happens when you fight a bigger (and in my opinion better) fighter. Suck it up and take it like a man – that does not mean I feel that GSP (more likely his corner though) should go unpunished. Rules are rules.

My biggest concern at this point is when are we gonna see GSP vs AS!!! I wanted to see it at UFC 100 but there is now way thats going to happen.

by Wally Balls on Feb 7, 2009 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

TAINTED

by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 7, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

Guys,

I heard a rumor that with every purchase of a Silver Star T shirt you get a free tube of Vaseline.

by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 7, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

Their is one good that came of all this thing. BJ Penn won’t retire now. In his head he can pretend that I should of one this fight. This should keep him fighting a little bit longer and maybe one day if Bj is lucky, GSP will get another chance to destroy BJ’s insecure ego.

The bottom line is, when you put Vaseline on two fighters faces and they start grappling for 15 minutes, I’m pretty sure vaseline gets everywhere.
From what I saw GSP rubbed his chest, shoulders and arms all over BJ face which was covered in Vaseline.
I think the real question is, should the UFC ban all slippery substances from entering the ring.
Does anyone know if BJ actually admitted that George is a better fighter?

by luke on Feb 7, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

BJ admitted that GSP was greased up.

Vaseline on your face doesn’t get everywhere. It can get in a few places, but it doesn’t get massaged all over your upper body like sunscreen.

by Bennie on Feb 7, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha lets just have a huge brawl with gsp supporters on one side and penn supporters on the other. no vaseline allowed obviously. yeah i know im retarded hahaha

by steveo on Feb 7, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

PENN WILL HAVE A HEART ATTACK FROM HIS LAZINESS AND FAT LEVELS SOON ANYWAY. THERE WILL BE NO RE-MATCH.

by Mr. Vince McMahon on Feb 7, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

My man Bj got his ass handed to him, and I got to eat humble pie. Though I love BJ, I’m sure the outcome would’ve been the same. Maybe worth a mention, Ken-Flo did say that Huerta felt kinda slippery, and Huerta is also from Greg’s camp. That’s my two scents.

by WayofTheWarrior on Feb 7, 2009 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

I suppose it’s way too much to ask that this whole fucking topic to just go away!!! Enough already for christ’s sake. Here’s what we know:

1. Regardless of the amount of vaseline, or the effect it had on the fight, we all know that it wouldn’t have changed the outcome. GSP still wins that fight regardless.
2. GSP is certainly a consideration for best P4P in MMA
3. BJ has been exposed, showing that he’s overrated, he’s a spoiled brat, and he looks like a punk for all the shit he talked.
4. Having said that, BJ still has an opportunity to reign the 155 division. He needs to focus on the LW Division, as there is stiff competition and his next fight should be against Florian. Kenflo deserves it.
5. GSP should fight Alves next, no questions asked. He has earned his chance, and he stands alone as the #1 contender.

Enough with all the GSP/Penn III talk. Everyone needs to move on, this is really tarnishing what should be considered a very successful, exciting event in the UFC.

by kg on Feb 7, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

This whole issue is a bunch of bull$#it, and in my opinion, it’s a very pathetic attempt by BJ Penn and his people to distract us from how unprepared Penn was for the rematch with GSP so we don’t say how he is to blame for being beaten like a rookie in his first fight.

BJ Penn didn’t live up to what was expected of him for that fight – both from a fan’s viewpoint and also from a professional standard that the UFC should expect from one of their division title holders.

It should have been obvious to anyone who watched the three UFC Primetime episodes that BJ Penn wasn’t physically or mentally prepared to be part of a main event championship fight (hyped as the “biggest fight in MMA history”) – but if it wasn’t clear to everyone then they should have known by the time BJ gassed out after the first round and GSP gave him an even more brutal beating than he did to Matt Hughes in the 2nd & 3rd fights they had.

I knew BJ would lose long before the UFC Primetime episodes from his long history that shows he’s a scumbag poser who has no dignity, no honor, and no heart – and that MMA and the UFC are much better off without him.

Look at how he disrespected the sport & the UFC by quitting immediately after winning that title belt years ago. That was a cowardly thing to do rather than man up to honor the contract he signed and at least defend the title one time and let someone try to win the belt. It’s a bitch move to quit like he did… and there’s no honor for the next one to get that title since they didn’t win it.

It was the same way when BJ got that belt he still holds by winning a fight chosen by the UFC committee when Shawn Sherk was stripped of the title for failing a drug screen.

Look at how BJ dishonored the title, the UFC, and himself by the comments he made about Sherk… then saying it was just to hype the fight – rather than how he felt about Sherk. You can’t insult someone like he did & then say “I didn’t mean it… just kidding… no hard feelings, right?” after the fight is over.

I figured BJ would look for some excuse to tell people why he lost… but what he tried to use at the reason is totally ridiculous, not to mention easily disproven.

If you look at the video – there is no way Penn can say GSP had excessive vaseline in places prohibited by the rules, or that whatever amount of vaseline that was on GSP caused GSP to have an unfair advantage over BJ in any way at all.

After the first round the camera is very close to GSP’s cornerman who had the vaseline – and you can clearly see that the stuff was on the back of his left hand (and not very much of it because you can’t tell it’s there until you see him use his right hand fingers to DAB some to apply to GSP’s eyebrow area, his chin, and then finally a quick pat on GSP’s chest and then his back.

IF any vaseline was still on his fingers by the time he got to the chest & back area, it couldn’t be much at all… BUT, you see an official (those annoying people with the maroon suit jackets who seem to get in the way more than help out or do something constructive) not more than 2 or 3 feet away closely watching what happened durring the break in action.

SO… if anything not allowed by the rules was placed on GSP’s body on purpose – the official took the necessary steps to prevent anything wrong/improper to happen that would unfairly effect the result of the fight.

After the second round ends you can clearly see that same official get all up close to GSP’s people (even closer than normal, which is too close and very creepy if you ask me) and he kept close watch on what happened – and the official is seen taking a towel & wiping down GSP’s back & chest. The camera isn’t on them the entire time this happened, but there was at least 10 – 15 seconds before Herb Dean allowed the next round to begin. To me, this means that the official did what he felt was enough to prevent GSP’s people from getting away with a rule violation – and I seriously doubt the official would take the time to get a towel & wipe down GSP but not do a complete job of removing anything that might be a violation of the rules.

When the third round ended the same official was in GSP’s corner doing his job, but there was also a second official with him, and before the next round could begin the one wiped down GSP with a towel as the other was so close to the first they could have been conjoined twins… and they took the time to make sure GSP was wiped down and not “greased up”, or soaked from sweat or water/ice.

So… if the first official had an issue over the vaseline, there was a second official present watching for any potential rule violations – to the point they actively intervened and made sure that whatever efforts GSP’s people might have done to remove any excess water/vaseline/random materials from GSP’s body so that nothing caused one fighter to have an unfair advantage over the other.

As if Herb Dean would have missed something like that when he routinely monitors what happens durring the rounds… excessive vaseline in those places would on the same level as a punch to the back of the head, a low blow, kicking a downed opponent, or any other violation of the rules… Herb Dean gets paid to notice something like that – so him not stepping in to correct things means nothing improper happened.

Herb Dean did his job, and the official assigned to GSP’s corner not only did his job – he went above & beyond the normal vigilance to make double sure everything was cool on his part.

It’s his job, and that guy had thousands of spectators watching him, and dozens of cameras filming whatever he does or doesn’t do, in addition to many other officials doing the same job of enforcing the NSAC rules so all the angles are covered – not to mention that Dana White & Joe Silva are at ringside keeping an eye & ear on everything going down.

Dana White was the driving force that took MMA from the brutal bloodsport that politicians tried to ban and made it into a legitimate sport respected worldwide that is a multi-million dollar industry that has made people forget what a boxing match is and outselling the top concerts wherever the UFC goes.

Dana White put the UFC at the top of the MMA mountain, and by doing that he put MMA at the top of both the sports & entertainment industries.

If Dana White was so stupid that he would not catch such a huge violation of the rules durring the biggest hyped fight in the History of not only his organization, but all of MMA – then he never would have accomplished the things he did to put the UFC & MMA where it is today.

Not only that, but if he allowed something like that to happen in the biggest fight ever, he would deserve to be fired from his job for gross incompetence!!

Look at how Dana went off after the EliteXC scandal when word got out of the organization basically trying to fix the result of a main event fight by paying a fighter to do what they felt would surely cause him to lose the fight.

Dana White was calling for the company to be investigated for criminal behavior… and I’m sure that could be called the final nail in the coffin that caused the company owning EliteXC to go bankrupt.

Even if what Dana said back then, or tried to do had zero effect on the final ending of a competitor fight organization… how bad would he look if not even a year later he allowed something as bad (if not worse) to happen at an event under his command???

But I’m getting off track here… back to the main points:

So, we have many cameras filming what might or might not have happened by GSP’s people, a competent official on hand monitoring the action, several other officials doing their jobs to support the integrity of the rules, and an organization that has people running the show who let nothing get by them – all of this to prevent some serious violation from happening – not to mention a full capacity crowd who would have went nuts if they saw something like that happen when they paid good money to see the event… but never mind all of that – there’s even more to say BJ Penn is full of shit when he accused GSP of breaking the rules.

Besides all of the things I mentioned, there was Herb Dean right there in the octagon – and everyone knows how respected Herb Dean is in the MMA world – and how people say he is the best because not only is he referee, but he is also an MMA competitor… so he has a unique perspective that helps him enforce the rules & protect the fighters.

So, if you believe BJ Penn and his people – that means Dana White & Joe Silva were on hand clueless as several officials, three fight judges, an experienced fight referee with MMA fight experience, several cameramen, thousands of spectators, and two “cut men” either willingly let GSP’s people violate the rules to his advantage – or they all were so incompetent they didn’t know what GSP’s people were up to… not to mention that this allegedly happened without BJ’s people (or BJ himself) saying one word about how “overly slippery” GSP allegedly was while BJ was getting the crap beat out of him three rounds after he gassed out.

Ok, so anyone at the event or watching the video could see certain events that were not intentional or pre-planned by any means that are now being twisted into what can only be described as either a huge case of mass incompetence by several people who’s job it was that night to prevent any rule violations… or all of these people conspired against BJ Penn by helping GSP break the rules to beat BJ.

It’s that’s simple – BJ Penn is saying that either several people totally failed at doing their job that night – or they all were part of a conspiracy designed to make sure GSP won the fight… there’s no other reason to explain what BJ claims GSP got away with when the rules clearly define what is ok & not ok regarding vaseline and its use for a fight.

   

BJ can cry all he wants on his website… but the fact is neither he or his corner said one word about GSP being so slippery while the fight was happening.

Not one word was said just after the fight, when BJ could have said something to Joe Rogan in the octagon, or to the reporters doing the post-fight interviews, or at the post-fight press conference with everyone listening.

It was only later – after much time took think of many excuses before finally coming up with the false accusation do we see what BJ Penn is all about.

Not only does BJ Penn insult GSP & his people by this pathetic scam… it is an insult to the integrity of the officials, Herb Dean, the UFC, and the fans.

BJ Penn lowered himself by not taking blame for his loss… but by doing that he has forever tarnished GSP’s amazing win, and nothing will make things right for GSP and what he earned that night by beating BJ.

And something just as pathetic was how that other d-bag, Matt Hughes, jumped to BJ’s defense by also claiming GSP broke the rules in the same way when Matt Hughes took two brutal ass-kickings from GSP.

If it was true, why didn’t Matt say something after that 2nd fight? Why did he use the pathetic excuse of supposedly having an injury to explain losing the first rematch – but not say anything about a slippery GSP?

And if it happened again for the third fight… why didn’t Matt say so rather than praise GSP in the octagon to Joe Rogan?

Matt Hughes used up his 15 minutes in that 2nd GSP fight, and it’s sad to see what he will stoop to just for another minute in the spotlight when nobody cares about him anymore.

Both BJ Penn & Matt Hughes need to apologize to GSP, his cornermen, the UFC, fight officials/staff, and all of us MMA fans for being total d-bags… and then they need to do us a favor & just go away.

by Diesel on Feb 8, 2009 3:49 AM EST reply actions  

This whole issue is a bunch of bull$#it, and in my opinion, it’s a very pathetic attempt by BJ Penn and his people to distract us from how unprepared Penn was for the rematch with GSP so we don’t say how he is to blame for being beaten like a rookie in his first fight.

BJ Penn didn’t live up to what was expected of him for that fight – both from a fan’s viewpoint and also from a professional standard that the UFC should expect from one of their division title holders.

It should have been obvious to anyone who watched the three UFC Primetime episodes that BJ Penn wasn’t physically or mentally prepared to be part of a main event championship fight (hyped as the “biggest fight in MMA history”) – but if it wasn’t clear to everyone then they should have known by the time BJ gassed out after the first round and GSP gave him an even more brutal beating than he did to Matt Hughes in the 2nd & 3rd fights they had.

I knew BJ would lose long before the UFC Primetime episodes from his long history that shows he’s a scumbag poser who has no dignity, no honor, and no heart – and that MMA and the UFC are much better off without him.

Look at how he disrespected the sport & the UFC by quitting immediately after winning that title belt years ago. That was a cowardly thing to do rather than man up to honor the contract he signed and at least defend the title one time and let someone try to win the belt. It’s a bitch move to quit like he did… and there’s no honor for the next one to get that title since they didn’t win it.

It was the same way when BJ got that belt he still holds by winning a fight chosen by the UFC committee when Shawn Sherk was stripped of the title for failing a drug screen.

Look at how BJ dishonored the title, the UFC, and himself by the comments he made about Sherk… then saying it was just to hype the fight – rather than how he felt about Sherk. You can’t insult someone like he did & then say “I didn’t mean it… just kidding… no hard feelings, right?” after the fight is over.

I figured BJ would look for some excuse to tell people why he lost… but what he tried to use at the reason is totally ridiculous, not to mention easily disproven.

If you look at the video – there is no way Penn can say GSP had excessive vaseline in places prohibited by the rules, or that whatever amount of vaseline that was on GSP caused GSP to have an unfair advantage over BJ in any way at all.

After the first round the camera is very close to GSP’s cornerman who had the vaseline – and you can clearly see that the stuff was on the back of his left hand (and not very much of it because you can’t tell it’s there until you see him use his right hand fingers to DAB some to apply to GSP’s eyebrow area, his chin, and then finally a quick pat on GSP’s chest and then his back.

IF any vaseline was still on his fingers by the time he got to the chest & back area, it couldn’t be much at all… BUT, you see an official (those annoying people with the maroon suit jackets who seem to get in the way more than help out or do something constructive) not more than 2 or 3 feet away closely watching what happened durring the break in action.

SO… if anything not allowed by the rules was placed on GSP’s body on purpose – the official took the necessary steps to prevent anything wrong/improper to happen that would unfairly effect the result of the fight.

After the second round ends you can clearly see that same official get all up close to GSP’s people (even closer than normal, which is too close and very creepy if you ask me) and he kept close watch on what happened – and the official is seen taking a towel & wiping down GSP’s back & chest. The camera isn’t on them the entire time this happened, but there was at least 10 – 15 seconds before Herb Dean allowed the next round to begin. To me, this means that the official did what he felt was enough to prevent GSP’s people from getting away with a rule violation – and I seriously doubt the official would take the time to get a towel & wipe down GSP but not do a complete job of removing anything that might be a violation of the rules.

When the third round ended the same official was in GSP’s corner doing his job, but there was also a second official with him, and before the next round could begin the one wiped down GSP with a towel as the other was so close to the first they could have been conjoined twins… and they took the time to make sure GSP was wiped down and not “greased up”, or soaked from sweat or water/ice.

So… if the first official had an issue over the vaseline, there was a second official present watching for any potential rule violations – to the point they actively intervened and made sure that whatever efforts GSP’s people might have done to remove any excess water/vaseline/random materials from GSP’s body so that nothing caused one fighter to have an unfair advantage over the other.

As if Herb Dean would have missed something like that when he routinely monitors what happens durring the rounds… excessive vaseline in those places would on the same level as a punch to the back of the head, a low blow, kicking a downed opponent, or any other violation of the rules… Herb Dean gets paid to notice something like that – so him not stepping in to correct things means nothing improper happened.

Herb Dean did his job, and the official assigned to GSP’s corner not only did his job – he went above & beyond the normal vigilance to make double sure everything was cool on his part.

It’s his job, and that guy had thousands of spectators watching him, and dozens of cameras filming whatever he does or doesn’t do, in addition to many other officials doing the same job of enforcing the NSAC rules so all the angles are covered – not to mention that Dana White & Joe Silva are at ringside keeping an eye & ear on everything going down.

Dana White was the driving force that took MMA from the brutal bloodsport that politicians tried to ban and made it into a legitimate sport respected worldwide that is a multi-million dollar industry that has made people forget what a boxing match is and outselling the top concerts wherever the UFC goes.

Dana White put the UFC at the top of the MMA mountain, and by doing that he put MMA at the top of both the sports & entertainment industries.

If Dana White was so stupid that he would not catch such a huge violation of the rules durring the biggest hyped fight in the History of not only his organization, but all of MMA – then he never would have accomplished the things he did to put the UFC & MMA where it is today.

Not only that, but if he allowed something like that to happen in the biggest fight ever, he would deserve to be fired from his job for gross incompetence!!

Look at how Dana went off after the EliteXC scandal when word got out of the organization basically trying to fix the result of a main event fight by paying a fighter to do what they felt would surely cause him to lose the fight.

Dana White was calling for the company to be investigated for criminal behavior… and I’m sure that could be called the final nail in the coffin that caused the company owning EliteXC to go bankrupt.

Even if what Dana said back then, or tried to do had zero effect on the final ending of a competitor fight organization… how bad would he look if not even a year later he allowed something as bad (if not worse) to happen at an event under his command???

But I’m getting off track here… back to the main points:

So, we have many cameras filming what might or might not have happened by GSP’s people, a competent official on hand monitoring the action, several other officials doing their jobs to support the integrity of the rules, and an organization that has people running the show who let nothing get by them – all of this to prevent some serious violation from happening – not to mention a full capacity crowd who would have went nuts if they saw something like that happen when they paid good money to see the event… but never mind all of that – there’s even more to say BJ Penn is full of shit when he accused GSP of breaking the rules.

Besides all of the things I mentioned, there was Herb Dean right there in the octagon – and everyone knows how respected Herb Dean is in the MMA world – and how people say he is the best because not only is he referee, but he is also an MMA competitor… so he has a unique perspective that helps him enforce the rules & protect the fighters.

So, if you believe BJ Penn and his people – that means Dana White & Joe Silva were on hand clueless as several officials, three fight judges, an experienced fight referee with MMA fight experience, several cameramen, thousands of spectators, and two “cut men” either willingly let GSP’s people violate the rules to his advantage – or they all were so incompetent they didn’t know what GSP’s people were up to… not to mention that this allegedly happened without BJ’s people (or BJ himself) saying one word about how “overly slippery” GSP allegedly was while BJ was getting the crap beat out of him three rounds after he gassed out.

Ok, so anyone at the event or watching the video could see certain events that were not intentional or pre-planned by any means that are now being twisted into what can only be described as either a huge case of mass incompetence by several people who’s job it was that night to prevent any rule violations… or all of these people conspired against BJ Penn by helping GSP break the rules to beat BJ.

It’s that’s simple – BJ Penn is saying that either several people totally failed at doing their job that night – or they all were part of a conspiracy designed to make sure GSP won the fight… there’s no other reason to explain what BJ claims GSP got away with when the rules clearly define what is ok & not ok regarding vaseline and its use for a fight.

  

BJ can cry all he wants on his website… but the fact is neither he or his corner said one word about GSP being so slippery while the fight was happening.

Not one word was said just after the fight, when BJ could have said something to Joe Rogan in the octagon, or to the reporters doing the post-fight interviews, or at the post-fight press conference with everyone listening.

It was only later – after much time took think of many excuses before finally coming up with the false accusation do we see what BJ Penn is all about.

Not only does BJ Penn insult GSP & his people by this pathetic scam… it is an insult to the integrity of the officials, Herb Dean, the UFC, and the fans.

BJ Penn lowered himself by not taking blame for his loss… but by doing that he has forever tarnished GSP’s amazing win, and nothing will make things right for GSP and what he earned that night by beating BJ.

And something just as pathetic was how that other d-bag, Matt Hughes, jumped to BJ’s defense by also claiming GSP broke the rules in the same way when Matt Hughes took two brutal ass-kickings from GSP.

If it was true, why didn’t Matt say something after that 2nd fight? Why did he use the pathetic excuse of supposedly having an injury to explain losing the first rematch – but not say anything about a slippery GSP?

And if it happened again for the third fight… why didn’t Matt say so rather than praise GSP in the octagon to Joe Rogan?

Matt Hughes used up his 15 minutes in that 2nd GSP fight, and it’s sad to see what he will stoop to just for another minute in the spotlight when nobody cares about him anymore.

Both BJ Penn & Matt Hughes need to apologize to GSP, his cornermen, the UFC, fight officials/staff, and all of us MMA fans for being total d-bags… and then they need to do us a favor & just go away.

by Diesel on Feb 8, 2009 4:14 AM EST reply actions  

Could you please elaborate on your dialogue? I’m not sure what your exact points are regarding this.

by deadgrassinyard on Feb 8, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Man I just watched the fight again an find the whole vasoline thing halarious, georges sweat was more of a factor which was rubbed off his back after rounds 2 and 3. Penn fans get over it, penn got his ass kicked in every way, he only impressed me with his take down defense in round one and his sweep in round three, a third fight would just be stupid.

  Gsp lost to serra, serra was the better fighter that night period, but everyone knows who the better fighter is, the longer a fight goes it just gets more obvious than a quick ko. The gsp/alves fight will be very interesting to see, to be honest though it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if gsp steam rolled alves too, gsp doesn’t fight the other fighters fight.

  If he just boxed and played bjj with penn there might have been a different outcome just like if he just kick boxes with alves. Gsp will most likely have a brillant game plan for alves and catch him off guard and look to expose his weakness’s. Gsp’s top control and ability to pass guard is incredible and he seems to be improving, in a year or so I could see him being a serious threat to the middle weight crown, well see.

by nathan on Feb 8, 2009 4:26 AM EST reply actions  

F**king phil nurse ………..why!!!!!!!

by nathan on Feb 8, 2009 4:27 AM EST reply actions  

what a messed.. for sure third fight coming up, i think if Penn win in the third fight,he got his inspiration for Rampage coz despite of 2 brutal lost to Silva,rampage still redeem himself in the 3rd fight, but if Penn lost in the third fight maybe he’s hero is Ken Shamrock. lol

by mad_drummer on Feb 8, 2009 5:37 AM EST reply actions  

If BJ knew GSP was greased then he shouldn’t have let him take him down and pound on him. GSP didn’t cry about BJ’s inadvertent eye gouge in their first fight which made the fight much closer than it otherwise would have been. He saw two BJs so he took them both down and LNP’d a SD out.

by UFCAddict on Feb 8, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

If they fought 15 more times GSP would kill penn 15 more times. I cant belive iam hearing this. Yea.. the vasoline was the reason bj QUIT and couldnt fight the last round. GSP best pound 4 pound out there!!!

by a pitbull on Feb 8, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

“BJ can cry all he wants on his website… but the fact is neither he or his corner said one word about GSP being so slippery while the fight was happening.”

funny thing to reply to that is that THEY DID COMPLAIN BEFORE THE MATACh and DURING the match.

by dia.pablo on Feb 9, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

There’s many legit way’s of making yourself slippery, BJ know’s this and so does every other fighter out there. From different cream’s and oils you can use before the fight to different foods, If GSP wants slippery Skin he can get it without the vasoline. BJ is just crying the blues now, GSP has shown the world his weakness and GSP pounded him for fout straight rounds. If you had an excuse wouldn’t you use it? No me neither, that’s why BJ’s fan club is dropping like flies he’s being a panty and no MMA fan wants to be part of the crying.

by Beaver on Feb 9, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobb Sapp looked real bad saying he got punched in the eye.

by BJJ Matt on Jun 28, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

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