im not a hater still loyal shogun fan. too many ppl think hes finihsed after that bad performance against coleman and who knows maybe hell never be a world destroyer again. but as a fan you should stick the person no matter what. p.s. mir looked like shit for a while and he got back to his top form

I wonder if ATT can teach chucky to keep his hands up. Still though Shogun was really never a fighter with massive power in his hands. But so long as he can up his cardio, i will be happy to root for him and hope for some flashy muay thai.

I agree with Jared, a fan should stick with his favorite fighter. So, as a long time fan of the Iceman, I will say that he knocks Shogun’s head into the cheap seats. I just don’t see how Shogun can turn around from the absolute mess that he was against Coleman, to being able to beat Liddell in 3 months? If he gets gassed the way he did against Coleman and against Forrest, Chuck has more than enough power to put him to sleep.

agreed jared… so many people clown on me and others on here for being a loyal fan of the guy even after two bad performaces, thats what being a fan is though, and not a “fairweather” one like so many on this site…

I stated in another thread a while back that I don’t think Shogun will ever be the fighter we saw in PRIDE again. That being said, I sure hope I’m wrong. I like the guy, and adding another beast to the already stacked division can only be good for us fans. Here’s to hoping Shogun has been running and puts a beating on Chuck.

I’m not a hater i’m his number 1 fan,

He’s just a motherf****** waste of time, talent and is never gonna get a title shot even if he beats King Kong, gives his grandma a flying knee, armbars his dog, sleeps with Overeem or drops of a cargo of food to Africa!

It ain’t gonna happen, good luck though, WAR SHOGUN!!!!

Shoguns biggest fan is raIGHT here! War Shogun! I cant wait to see him beat Chuck, and all the fickle haters will jump back on his nuts! TO bad, the WAR wagon is closed! yOU aint willing to ride with a fighter through tough times, then dont blow him when he is on top!

War Rua!

ya great, he has everything but heart and cardio.he really looked good against grampa coleman,chuck via shoguns head getting knocked off.

It seems like people are actually forgetting how crap he was against Forrest. He was really that bad, it wasn’t because Forrest was that good, and he was even worse against Coleman. Chuck by knockout anytime he wasnts, and I am not even a Chuck fan. Dana knew exactly what he was doing for his buddy Chuck when he saw how pathetic Shugun looked against Coleman. He could not afford to let Chuck lose to Jardine in a rematch, but Shogun looks like a sure victory.

Typically, Chuck decisions Brazillian strikers (Vitor/Wanderlei) but I expect a vintage Iceman performance here. TKO 1st round for Chucky

Chuck TKO in the 2nd!! I can’t wait, Im going to be there live!! I dont care if its in the top row closest to the roof, Im going

chuck has never lost to a brazillian fighter, and i dont think this fight is going to break that trend!

I said I thought Shogun was overrated for weeks leading up to the Coleman fight and even I was shocked by how poor his performance was. I meant he was a little overrated. After watching that fight, I don’t think Shogun will ever make even a top 5 LHW.

It’s hard to know how old and puffy Chuck will come into this fight. But if I have to pick, it’s Chuck.

John it hurts me sayin it man but good lord, ive seen no reason to believe Shogun is gonna come back different than his horrible performance against Coleman, and if so, Chuck will probably destroy both him and you John, in a single blow.

Yeah Shogun may not look like himself these days BUT… everyone seems to be forgetting how poor Chucks been performing over the past year.

Chuck hasn’t KO’d anyone since Couture in 2006 (3 years ago). Yeah he TKO’d Babalu & Tito afterwards but I’m going back to my old arguement here from when Chuck was the 205 king and remind everyone that they, like most of his other comp were NOT strikers in any way. Pure grapplers with serviceable stand-up.

Notice that once he moved on to Rampage(striker), Jardine(striker), Wanderlei(striker), Rashad (new found striker), he was unable to dominate as he had against grapplers previously in his career.

Is he capable of beating Shogun? Well, it’s MMA folks. Anyone can win on any given day no matter who it is. But we cant ignore the facts. I think most of us can agree that Chucks best performance in his last 4 fights was against Wand, right? Those familiar with both Wand & Shogun can attest to what I’m gonna say next which is that Shogun is the more well-rounded striker with the more technical skill-set, agreed?

Here’s my point, I’ll admit there’s a sprinkling of MMath here but I expect Shogun to have a much better chance at winning this fight convingly. His true obstacle isnt Chuck but his own cardio which can easily be corrected between now and fight night.

On the other hand. Chuck will not be able to bridge the gap that separates he and Shogun in terms of skill-set in that same amount of time.

Come fight night, on paper, Shogun will be the superior fighter. No matter how much Chuck has improved at ATT. That’s why I’m picking Rua to win.

Machine: That was a great post filled with a ton of factual information. I really enjoyed it! Great stuff man!

War shogun…. I tagged along on AdamG’s Penn wagon, but I am driving the Shogun War Wagon!

War Rua….where are the loyol mofo’s at?

Loyal Mofo #2 right here!

wow machine that was a very knowledgable, thought out post! lets go shogun!!!

I re-thought what I posted about Chuck not bridging the gap. If the Chuck we’re currently used to seeing shows up, I stand by what I said BUT…My logic is slightly flawed. If he can simply mix things up and keep Shogun guessing, he stands a good chance at winning. Question is, will he? If he lasers in on the KO then Shogun by decision. If adds a heaping portion of takedowns and kicks to his heavy-handed recipe then I can see a possible TKO or Decision for Liddell.

I’m struggling to be objective here but I really want to see Shogun win and I believe he will. On paper, he should. It’s too big of an opportunity for him to pass up. Especially after falling short against Forrest.

Chuck got beaten to the punch by both Rampage and Rashad, and Jardine had a solid gameplan which I beleive could only work for him. Do you really see Shogun beating Chuck to the Punch, I don’t. Shoguns performance was not any better than it was against Forrest, it is just that Coleman was worse than Forrest. You may have facts but I do not see Shogun beating Chuck in the same way any of those fighters did before, and there was absolutley nothing that Shogun showed in his last two fights to show that he is any threat whatsoever to Chuck. Chuck would have knocked Coleman out in the first round, and he would definately not have been gassed by the second round. I am not even a Chuck fan, you guys need to sit down and watch Shoguns last two fights again. I bet what you are saying now about Shogun you said after he lost to Forrest, and look how crap he was. The guy nearly got beat by Mark Coleman. You need to wake up.The UFC might drop him just in time for the next Affliction show.

The Chuck we are currently used to seeing would have knocked Coleman out in the first round. And what did you see in the Coleman and Forrest fights that makes you beleive that Shogun has any chance of beating Chuck. I picked Jardine and Rashad to both beat Chuck, but there is no way that I would pick Shogun to do it. Jardines gameplan was solid and Rampage and Rashad both beat Chuck to the punch. They just connected before he did. That could have happned to anyone. Shoguns has just looked absolutely crap in both fights, that is not the same as getting beaten to the punch, and I am not even a Chuck fan.

Maybe I should have waited a bit longer for my first comment to appear. Oh well, I think you get my point.

DJ-

you said, “I haven’t seen him other than in the UFC”. Thanks for being honest. But how can you make a clean pick when you know so much about Chuck but so little about his opponent?

I’m not picking at you personally but I’ve seen too many posters do the same thing with alot of different fighters.

Here’s the flip-side of the coin, It’s like being newly exposed to Chuck without ever seeing any of his other fights and only seeing his 2nd Rampage loss and the following Jardine loss. What would anyone think of Chuck then? See what I’m saying?

As fans, it’d be nice to see more of us grow by learning more about fighters that are strangers to us as well as more about the sport and Martial Arts overall. Imagine the discussions and debates………

What people don’t remember about Chuck is that after he got knocked out by Rashad, he came out and said you will see a totally different Chuck Liddell in my next fight. I’m speculating that he will start using some of his ground game now. Which, I think he needed to a long time ago, he wasn’t displaying good MMA skills for a while, he was only kickboxing which hasn’t worked out too well for him in the past few fights. He beat Wandy convincingly and if you can recall he actually took Wandy to the ground twice! I couldn’t believe it when I saw but that’s what he has to do.
The Iceman has a lot of good fights left in him. He just has to start using more than the stand up. Every fighter that has been matched up with Chuck only has to train on their endurance and their boxing skills. If Chuck can mix his game up, he’ll be deadly.

Ok I hate to say it but Chuck is strictly a gate keeper now yes he is a huge draw but as stated earlier he’s a one trick pony and much like Tito once they figure his game out he really isn’t much. (did I just compare Tito to Chuck)insert joke here <——! But seriously it happens to everyone dominant thats one dimensional remember the old Tyson once someone realized to not engage in the first round he would wear himself out and easy pickins. Anyone remember how shocked they were when chuck pulled the take down on Wandy I for one spilt my beer because No One Saw that coming. Hint Hint chuck do that again. Rua mr. one time dominant One more fight like your last two and I’m putting you in Karo status trying to hard without physically preparing yourself. Get it together man or your done. I think if he loses you’ve got three people left to fight and you’d be a stepping stone….Hamill, Vera, Franklin. Bye Bye Shogun glad the pride nut huggers were wrong again!

he never had a great body in PRIDE either, so thats not really much of an accusation there…

that’s my point…even big Tim was more defined but Rua doesn’t look like he has ever seen a needle before

yes that’s right NS i have a friend that was juicing, and when he stopped he couldn’t keep all of his muscles and became smaller.. and why i think everybody left Chute-Boxe is b/c all of the guys that trained there was juicing and the whole camp was systematically giving drugs and steroids to their fighters!

So whats the point of using if when you fight you don’t use them and lose the results? Athletes usually use them during competition……