Georges St. Pierre: 'I guarantee the result will be the same' against BJ Penn
He even says they can each wear a Rash Guard in the next go around ... and much more:
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GSP firing back. I admire how long it took him to snap. Be sure that BJ won’t take it lying down and will reply shortly.
by NameNotRequired on Feb 4, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Right, one thing for sure, BJ can’t take anything more GSP lying down. Perhaps if BJ had spent more time holding his balls under water, he would have spent less time on his back, getting tea-bagged by GSP.
by charlyw on Feb 5, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
The more I see this fight video, the more I see the vasoline come into play. During rd. 2, after the 1st application of vasoline, is when bj had so much trouble. I think BJ should file a formal complaint. There’s evidence that team GSP did something illegal and that should not be tolerated in any fight, let alone one as big as this. Not only is it ashame, it’s dangerous.
by ja434650 on Feb 5, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
bud EASY man with your cheating comments… why can’t you admite that GSP clearly just owened him? what happend is he had small amounts of vasaline on his hand then he put it to his temple and brought his hand down to his chest and went to his back…. now in order for someone to be as slippery as BJ is claiming to be they would need a large amount of vaseline… not whats left from the side of your temple, your acting like BJ actually had a chance in that fight
by ricky on Feb 5, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Why would a top 5 pound for pound fighter have a chance in a fight? Even a small amount of vaso does damage but I stilll think BJ should stay at 155 for at least Ken Flo and then Sanchez.
by Robert on Feb 5, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
hey ja45048534, did you not see the commission towel him down? Are you stupid? Your legs are going to slide down anyone’s back who’s as big and strong as GSP when they’re pushing through the guard. They certainly aren’t going to stick to his back like he’s got velcro on it.
Geez! sometimes it boggles my mind how stupid people are. This is such a non-story it’s beyond ridiculous in my mind.
by Anthony on Feb 5, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
True. That fight was the definition of domination. Robert, you are looking at the fight on paper, and not what actually happened. Yes, a top 5 p4p fighter has a chance, but not B.J. Penn in THAT fight. That beating was brutal. Next B.J. will say that the cornermen for GSP also put crazy glue on Penn’s stool, and that is why he could not continue.
by naturalshadow on Feb 5, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
BJ PENN WILL INDEED TAKE IT LYING DOWN, EITHER BY RUNNING AWAY WITH HIS TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS LIKE AFTER THE FIGHT, OR BECAUSE HE FOOLISHLY TAKES GSP UP ON HIS CHALLENGE AND THEN HE WILLL SPEND MORE ROUNDS ON HIS BACK COWERING LIKE THE BITCH HE ALWAYS HAS BEEN! GSP OWNS HIM AND HE FINALLY UNDERSTANDS THIS FACT!
by G.S.P.P4P.CHAMP!!! on Feb 5, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
BJ took it lying down last saturday night, he should do the same this time.
by LJ on Feb 5, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
It was obvious that GSP’s corner man greased him up between rounds. We all saw the corner man put vaseline on GSP’s face, then put one hand on GSP’s chest and the other on his back, then he rubbed his upper traps. I remember thinking “what is he doing?” Now we know. I hope that GSP and BJ fight again. I love seeing BJ get beat to a pulp. BJ should wear a diaper next time, so it will look more natural when he is crying like a baby. Maybe that will teach him the meaning of humility and respect for another fighter.
by DrPepper on Feb 5, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
here’s the pdf of the letter BJ’s lawyers sent to the NSAC.
mmafrenzy(dot)com/files/2009/02/penn.pdf
by fleet on Feb 5, 2009 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
Who would win if GSP had to come down to BJ’s natural weight? And there was no cheating of course.
by ja434650 on Feb 5, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
If Georges dropped down to 155 BJ would probably win because Georges would have to cut off an arm and leg just to do it. But, at least it would be a fair fight for BJ…
by Mememe on Feb 5, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
It won’t be, but lets hope this is the last we hear about this. It really is getting old quick.
by Bluepit on Feb 4, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions
Yea, honestly.. If people have to keep putting up with shit like this after most big fights, the sport will go downhill fast… again. Nobody wants to see that. I had more respect for BJ after that fight than I ever have because of the heart he showed to hang in there. Now, less than ever.
I’ve watched that fight twice more now and I really need somebody to explain to me if GSP is all greased up, why is he turning as red as a tomato and pushing up on his legs so hard that the muscles in his back and legs actually ripple just to escape BJ’s guard? This is in the 2nd round (the supposed ‘greasiest round’ for GSP and freshest round for Penn working on the bottom) Just seems like a lot of effort if there’s no friction there. Also, nobody has said anything about the fact that while in BJ’s guard GSP has a ‘can opener’ on BJ’s neck…. Try keeping a high guard when somebody has a hold of your neck is is pulling your head into their chest.
Too bad about the Vaseline thing, it was wrong to do.. However, fact of the matter is that BJ is as tough as they come but he was not in fighting form that night. If anyone’s to blame for a one sided fight, it’s him.
Also, if there’s a GSP/Penn 3, the only way the UFC would do it would be with a HUGE main event afterwords.. or free on TV. neither of which I seem them going for.
by fleet on Feb 5, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
bj sucks now, i never really realized he was this much of a douche. amazing fighter, but brutal personality
by Jared on Feb 5, 2009 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
I think GSP is REsponsible, it does not matter if you took steroids and got CREAMED by Anderson SIlva, you broke the rules and cheated, what WAS James Irvin’s Doctor or nurse who injected him or prescribed him steroids fined or banned or ?? NO the athlete is at fault here. IT does not matter that GSP WON by a landslide.
GSP needs to be penalized he sat there accepting the extra grease, GSP knows the rules, you all were praising his stupid scientific game plan that he kept on repeating about wearing out BJ’s Shoulders and …
GSP should be suspended and how the hell does he get more money 2x the amount than randy C? randy 250,000 GSP cheats and gets 400,000 plus PPV??? WTF?!?!??
GSP is saying PEN disrespected him by pointing out that he cheated by breaking rules, What about DAN WHITE, he said something, “GSP’S IN BIG TROUBLE” not Phil NURSE or Dr. JONES or Jackson, GSP IS IN TROUBLE !!!! AND SHOULD BE.
Before PENn and his camp said anything we all saw it on DANAS blog SO GSP then thinks DANA WHITE IS DISRESPECTING HIM TOO?? WHAT an idiot GSP is i mean he really is an IDIOT!!!!
by GORANDY on Feb 4, 2009 11:40 PM EST reply actions
Gorandy, what are you talking about. Think how many limbs and body parts come in contact with the clumps of VASeline in fighters eyebrows, you have to be freekin crazy.
First of all Dana lost it and didnt even know what was going on at first, then they caught saw what could have been rubbing but was obviousley not from the footage I have seen, then they and rubed gsp off with a towel. Kinda like hand raps being cut when a strand dangles freely.
Then the fight continued cause NSAC alowed it to.
Done deal!
by Ro-J on Feb 4, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
It did seem in round 2 the first time BJ was taken down, evrytime he applied the high guard it slipped down. This was after the first vaseline application. This was the turning point for the brutal GnP GSP put down. I am objective over this fight, (a fan of both fighters) but it did seem suspect.
by Vixazia on Feb 5, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
BJ lost fair and square. The vasoline scandel is just to make sure he lose to much credit. He won’t fight GSP again he knows he lost fair and square this is just to take the attention off the beating he took.
by Beaver on Feb 5, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Your a tool! and you are the idiot! Your just mad bj got spanked! And dana white just said his cornerman are in trouble not gsp… So where are you getting any of this? your ass?
And james irvin tested positive for methodone and oxymorhine (pain killers cause he broke his foot) Not steriods!
by mike22 on Feb 5, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Calm down dude, switching back and forth from all caps and filling it with Exclamation marks makes your post look like it was made by a hysterical 10 year old.
First of all, it’s a guy rubbing your back in between roudns of a fight.
Your going to be amped up and focused on the fight and talking to the guy in front you, do you really think GSP even noticed?
Would you in that situation? Invision yourself in that situation.
Second of all, it was caught ‘during’ the fight, if they wanted more action taken, they could have done it then.
BJ probably doesn’t want a rematch and to take the win away would be ludicrous.
Third, the result of this will be that GSP’s corner will be ultra careful from now on and will be so scrutinized that GSP is gaurenteed to be the least greasy fighter in the UFC.
by ShaiZ on Feb 5, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Err…Irvin was supended for using painkillers, not steroids. And he owned up to it.
Dealing with intent is a slippery slope, which is why the commissions don’t deal with it. If rules were broken whether intentional or not, then those responsible need to be dealt with. As professionals it is their responsibility to know what is or is not acceptable, and to adhere to the rules. But suspending GSP is way overboard here.
That being said I don’t think it had any impact on the outcome of the fight. I’ve trained in BJJ, and while I admittedly am not at a high level, I don’t see how having a small amount of vaseline on his back helped GSP pass BJ’s guard. Maybe someone can explain that to me.
For the record I was pulling for BJ in this fight. He lost, life moves on.
And I seriously don’t know what pay has to do with this particular discussion. But to clear something up, Randy’s current contract is $250,000 to show, and a $250,000 win bonus. GSP’s is $200,000 to show, with a $200,000 win bonus. And they both get a PPV %. So I don’t really know what your concerns with that are.
by MongoMan on Feb 5, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t be retarded GORANDY. He’s in the middle of a fight do you really expect him to check that his cornermen wipe their hands off before touching his body?? When you get injected with steroids of course you know you’re being injected, this is something that could easily happen without you realizing it.
As for everything else you have to take it in context, in Danas blog for example you are seeing him react without all the information. Everything out of Dana since then has been directed solely at the cornermen and not GSP.
I think you’ve been drinking to much milk from mammas nipples because you’re starting to sound like a baby with a BJ Penn esque diaper rash. Not to mention you sound like you dropped out of school in grade 3.
by Hal on Feb 5, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
James Irvin did NOT use steroids GORANDY. He used an illegal pain relief medication similar to morphine so that he could continue training with an injury. Not trying to say it is okay but please check your facts before you accuse someone of using steroids that did not because thats a pretty serious offense that you accused someone of who did NOT do that nor was ever accused of doing that.
by GSP4Prez on Feb 5, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
250k are Randy’s Fight earnings yes, but he also makes coin off the PPV I’ve heard or something to that affect. Apparently he has one of the best deals in the UFC… Dana Claims the second best deal in the UFC after Chuck.
by fleet on Feb 5, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think you are just pissed because bj lost. GSP destroyed penn and that is it . GSP humiliated him in front of millions of people so he is making up rumors to take away from GSPs domination. He knows any day of the week GSP will destroy him . And i know he would turn down a fight with him again because he knows he will get it even worse next time.
by ADAM on Feb 5, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
if you think BJ has disrespected GSP by claiming he’s broken the rules then Gorandy, your the idiot
by McArthur on Feb 5, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
It wont happen.
by El Mexicutioner, formerly The Mexicutioner on Feb 4, 2009 11:40 PM EST reply actions
YEEES!! GSP tellin it like it is and not the same bs he always puts on in every interview trying to be nice..
by RoB on Feb 4, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions
He doesn’t try to be nice, he is nice. You don’t have to be an asshole to kick the shit out of someone in the cage.
by Gord on Feb 5, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
whatever.. GSP is always so damn boring in every interview with the same story over n over n over.. good to hear him say how he really feels for once
by RoB on Feb 5, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
would you feel differently? He is a great sport INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE OCTAGON!
by Ray on Feb 5, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
It won’t happen. I don’t think BJ will want to be humiliated again.
by pud333 on Feb 4, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions
GSP WILL DESTROY PENN AGAIN, I agree with everyone I am sick and tired of this vaseline crap, how low can you go, and all these penn fans saying useless crap, grow up fans GSP GSP GSP,
by Cory on Feb 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST reply actions
totally agree cory no matter how many times gsp fights penn he will destroy him EACH TIME!! Penn fans are just bitter because of the way in which gsp destroyd him! this vaseline crap has dragged owt far too long now its a joke!! GSP GSP GSP!
by Lee on Feb 5, 2009 4:52 AM EST up reply actions
RESULTS OF THE NSAC INVESTIGATION ARE IN:
1. We found that both fighters faces had significant amounts of Vaseline at the beginning of each round.
2. St-Pierre clinching and being on top of Penn put significant amounts of Vaseline on Penn’s chest.
3. As a result, Penn’s face and chest were the most Vaseline covered surfaces of both fighters, by far.
4. St-Pierre being “toweled” by the NSAC at the beginning of each round made him much dryer than Penn.
JUDGMENT: Penn being much more slippery and St-Pierre being much more dry gave an unfair advantage to Penn. Accordingly, Penn is being sentenced by the NSAC for unfair advantage.
SENTENCE: Penn is declared loser of the fight. Since he has lost anyway, it will count as a double loss. Hence, after having fought St-Pierre TWICE, Penn is deemed to have lost THREE times.
by ftg314 on Feb 4, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions
That’s brilliant, LMAO. The thing is it’s probably true. They probably wiped off more naturally occuring vasoline (and sweat) then the miniscule amount from Nurse’s hands.
by Gord on Feb 5, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA double loss….. I imagine thats the same term his parents use everytime him and his forrest gump brother fail the coloring test that all Hawaiians have to take before they can get a license to pick coconuts.
by Hal on Feb 5, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Sweet. Seriously, who thinks this affected the out come of this fight. If you do, watch it a few more times and if you still think that this is why penn lost, then go to Hawaii and hang out with him in Kona while he is getting comforted by his girl friend.
by Jo on Feb 5, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
LMAO!!! That’s perfect. People seem to forget that GSP got toweled off between rounds, and didn’t even have sweat on him to make him slippery. Beautiful post ftg314!
by LJ on Feb 5, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Even when GSP is pissed off he still sounds kinda respectful LOL. Love the “I’ll fight him ten times in a row”…
I hope we hear more of what he has to say. Let’s see if BJ REALLY wants to fight GSP again. Anybody think he will?….yeah, me neither.
by Teep on Feb 4, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions
It wouldn’t surprise me if BJ would take another fight with St. Pierre but there is no way Dana would allow it. He knows Penn would get destroyed again with basically the same result.
by MMAFan1981 on Feb 5, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I really think it would be awesome if GSP could move down, or they could meet at 160 or something. I’m sure it would be a more interesting fight for the fans because the circumstances would be different.
by ja434650 on Feb 5, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
no one is saying that the grease changed the outcome of the fight. even penn’s camp said it didn’t change the outcome.
the fact is: GSP and his corner cheated. dana white said it, the athletic commission said it, and everyone who saw it on video said it. he cheated… PERIOD. anyone who says otherwise is in denial.
by billyjoel on Feb 4, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions
Well then why did the NSAC just wipe it off and let GSP continue to fight? Are you saying they condone cheating. No one is saying that Nurse didn’t touch GSP with TRACES of vas on his hands, they’re just saying the commission was OK with it (after they CHECKED him and seen all was GOOD) so GSP DIDN’T cheat PERIOD. “GSP cheated” = SORE LOSERS.
by Gord on Feb 5, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Gord has a point here. NSAC watched over GSP and never prohibited him to keep fighting.
The ruling will be most insightful I think. Hopefully, NSAC acts swiftly.
by ftg314 on Feb 5, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. When they wiped him down, they wouldn’t do it half a$$ed. Why bother wiping if they aren’t going to be sure that he won’t have an advantage.
by Shadyone33 on Feb 5, 2009 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t get what you are upset about. If it didn’t have any bearing on the outcome then what is the big deal? You have never cheated at anything to get a better result? Do you think that BJ Penn is the cleanest fighter out there and has never done anything during the course of a fight that wasn’t legal? Please tell me that you don’t think all of these fighters fight fair except for GSP. Grabbing the fence, holding shorts, holding gloves, putting fingers in eyes, hitting to the back of the head, knees to the head on the ground, etc.
I guess what you would like to see is the loss taken off of BJ’s record and the win taken off of GSP’s. Then we would have another super fight between the two. You already said the result wouldn’t change so why would you want to see BJ get beat up again. So if you feel the fight wouldn’t change and the only reason why you are upset is because GSP supposedly cheated. Then I say leave it alone unless you plan to change your argument from it didn’t change the outcome to BJ would have won that fight if GSP didn’t cheat.
by MMAFan1981 on Feb 5, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
unfortunatly if you cheat you cheat. Like someone mentioned earlier, if know its wrong and dont do anything about it you are just as guilty as the next guy. Everyone can argue that the result would have been the same but the fact of the matter is that GSP had an advantage and that’s not fair. GSP swayed the contest in favor of him. Im not saying that BJ would have won but say there was one opportunity that BJ could have had to submit GSP but because of the jelly was unable to and is grounds for reversing an official result. Whats the difference between popping roids and this. They are the same, and as such should be treated as the same. In my opinion this should be ruled a no contest and gsp stripped of his title.
by thekman on Feb 4, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions
He didn’t have an advantage though, he was whiped down after the incident, therefore any possible advantage would have been nullified. Do you think the commission would let someone in the ring that was greased…it could lead to injuries, and civil suits. They did their job, whiped GSP down, and ruled that he could continue.
by MM_Eh on Feb 5, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see them wipe it off. It was a very quick job, they basically passed a towel over his back, if anything they just smeared it around.
by ja434650 on Feb 5, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t wiped off properly, it was smeared in the second before rd. 2 began.
by ja434650 on Feb 5, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
HEY,JA434650, YOU ARE TRULY A " FUCKIN MORON" TO THE 434650 DEGREE!!!!!!!!!
by daz on Feb 5, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!! BJ lost fair and square……I was wrong he got slaughtered fair and square. ja434650 before you go to bed think about the fight, take your time think a little more….is it coming? is the reality kicking in take a deep breath…get over it BJ lost..now turn your head look at the poster of BJ beside your bed and go f^c% yourself.
by Beaver on Feb 5, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m glad GSP is showing a little fire. Saying the result will be the same and if they fought 10 more times it would be the same every time. SO TRUE. I’m gld he isn’t starting with the direct personal attacks. Seems like he’s just tired of it and he, BJ, and everyone else knows that what he is saying is true. Seems pretty confident now.
by Amos on Feb 5, 2009 12:01 AM EST reply actions
It really pisses me off that GSP doesn’t agree to fight Penn at a lighter weight. A more fair meeting of their natural weights so we can see who the real, best fighter is. Of course Pierres going to win when he’s 185 pounds of pure, natural muscle and Penn’s putting on fat just to make 168.
I would be so excited for PENN VS PIERRE at 160 Pounds
by ja434650 on Feb 5, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t make sense, GSP has no interest in moving down only up.
by MikeD on Feb 5, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Why should he? Penn challenged HIM, not the other way around.
by Teep on Feb 5, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
BJ never said that he had to put weight or fat to make 168, actually he said it was is natural weight
by Barnack on Feb 5, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Which leg are you suggesting GSP should cut off to make 155? Do you think fighters can just cut and fight in any division they choose? GSP is ripped at 187 lbs and he loses 20 lbs of water for weigh ins. BJ would beat GSP at 155 before the fight ever started, because GSP would be dead. At 3% body fat a person is hovering between life and death. You just can’t go any lower, you need some fat around your vital organs or you die. Same goes for dehydation, more than one athlete has lost their life by tying to lose to much water. GSP at 155 ain’t going to happen.
by Gord on Feb 6, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
i dont get what gsp is piss @ BJ Penn for?? BJ never NEVER called gsp a cheater or even hinted that the outcome of the fight was affected by the vasaline.. even on BJ’s site he said that he isnt trying to make any excuses for the lost and even admitted to gsp being the better fighter.. he didnt even file a complaint it was a request that was filed to investagate the matter i mean can you blame BJ and his camp for that? i mean it is ILLEGAL.. especially after hughes and serra saying that he felt greasy before in other fights..its protecting fighters i dont think the vasaline would of made a difference in the fight but still need to stop it as soon aspossible… if gsp has anyone to be mad at its his own cornermen not BJ!!!
by JR on Feb 5, 2009 12:05 AM EST reply actions
Since when did Hughes and Serra become buddies and discuss this? Please people i love BJ to death but his conditioning and lack of aggression lost him the fight.
by SpiderStyle on Feb 5, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
For anyone who claims or thinks GSP cheated and that the outcome of the fight would have been altered:
GSP is challenging BJ Penn, his camp and people like you. Go to BJpenn.com and help BJ boost up that arrogant ego and we can see GSP Vs. BJ 3! You cal talk all the smack and make all the BS claims you want, GSP wrecked BJ Penn and next time its gonna be much worst.
Wanna change the outcome, do something about it. Put up or shut up.
by liukangstoupee on Feb 5, 2009 12:15 AM EST reply actions
It will be much worse.
The last person to want a rematch is probably Penn.
by ftg314 on Feb 5, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe BJ can have the last week of his life removed from his memory. Then we can easily book that match!
UFC 100: The retirement of BJ penn!
by liukangstoupee on Feb 5, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
The fun thing is that over the next 24 hours, MMA fighters and commentators will be asked to comment a hypothetical GSP vs Penn 3.
And all of them will say “Penn shouldn’t do it, he’s going to get killed”.
by ftg314 on Feb 5, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
uhhhhh did you read my post correctly? no ones calling gsp a cheater or saying it altered the fight!! this has nothing to do with the fight itself i even admit that i dont think it would of made a difference… but people like you (HATERS) are making assumptions that BJ’s making excuses!! when did BJ ever say that the vasaline was the reason for the lost? NEVER!!! THATS WHY HE DIDNT FILE A COMPLAINT IT WAS A REQUEST THATS WHY ON BJ PENN’S OWN WEBSITE HE AND HIS CAMP ADMITTED THAT GSP IS THE BETTER FIGHTER!!! im jus saying lets stick to the facts and not come up with assumptions and try to make it true when its not.. unless you spoke with BJ or have a link to a website that shows BJ Penn using this as an excuse for the lost then just stick to the facts!!!
by JR on Feb 5, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Finally someone that has some intelligence in this thread! I wish more people would read the actual facts of this matter and not fly off the handle with false accusations. I guess thats what happens when the same gene pool continues to reproduce regaurdless of the outcome!
by Fred on Feb 5, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
What miniscule respect MMA fans had for BJ Penn has been flushed down the drain, WHAT AN EFFING COWARD!! He actually filed an investigation, talk about a sorry P.O.S. sore looser! WELL here it is GSP is calling out BJ Penn, if I were Penn I would decline because GSP is extremely pissed and if BJ Penn thought he was beaten badly if he fought GSP again, he would be murdered! Go ahead Penn, here is your chance, take the FIGHT! Let’s see if your Brazilian JJ, is effectiven then you miserable prick!!
by Lycan on Feb 5, 2009 12:19 AM EST reply actions
Couldn’t of said it better. GSP was winning the fight way before his stupid cornerman rubbed vaseline on him. He had no reason to cheat, and I doubt he even felt anything being rubbed on him. If BJ wants another rematch, I say give it to him and then he can finally stop running his mouth about how much better he is than GSP.
by SignYamamoto on Feb 5, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
wouldnt matter… BJ would lose again and still have some nonsense to complain about, the guy has an absolute garbage personality and character and i for one could care less if he ever fought again
by brendan on Feb 5, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
GSP is innocent. It was his corner man. BJ is just making excuse on why he lost instead of focusing on what he did wrong. BJ started to blame stupid stuff like vaseline. BJ you are loser. Men i’m from hawaii and no one likes him any more. he makes me sick to my stomach. Them BJ u suck. GSP GSP GSP.
by Hanalu Santana on Feb 5, 2009 12:20 AM EST reply actions
With the rules as it is now, the only infraction is EXCESSIVE greasing to the face or body. That’s very subjective. The NSAC wiped off GSP because he MAY HAVE HAD too much grease on his back. They didn’t want to take any chances. I don’t care that there’s an investigation, because it will clear everything, and nothing will change. At the most, Nurse gets a slap on the wrist. But the rule should really be changed. Only Stitch (or whoever the official ringside cutman is) should be allowed to apply grease at all.
by Pat on Feb 5, 2009 12:23 AM EST reply actions
Good point. It should only be dedicated people, that way there’s no confusion.
by Shadyone33 on Feb 5, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
I heard the rule was that there is NO lubricants to be added anywhere other than the face.
Not that you can put small amounts all over your body.
That statement isn’t accurate.
by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 5, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
who cares if they fight again? GSP wins that fight everytime… its not the issue
GSP’s corner got caught greasing their fighter.
end of story.
by ekc on Feb 5, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions
I heard the entire interview on Sherdog, GSP is really pissed, he see’s BJ using the “LUBEGATE” incident for an excuse as to why he lost. GSP is not properly addressing the ramifications of what Phil Nurse did with the petro, he says the rubbing technique was advice given from the “WitchDoctor”. I’m not sure what should happen to GSP if anything, but his corner should definitely receive punishment for their actions, unintentional or otherwise. Let them do it again, GSP VS PENN III free on UFC FIGHT NIGHT. My guess is BJ wants no part of GSP VS PENN III, Penn is gonna’ have nightmares about this fight for a looooong time!
by DAVE on Feb 5, 2009 12:28 AM EST reply actions
It was enlightening and hilarious too. The clip at the top of this thread is as mad as GSP gets, and at the end of the interview he apologizes for “crossing the line.” With all the crap that BJ has talked he still calls BJ a winner and proffers some pertinent advice about handling a loss. So, so different from the cartoonish “To da death” or “he’s a quitter” Oh yeah, and GSP says he’s back to training TODAY. Think BJ is training? Hey BJ maybe THAT’s why you lost…
GSP is just not comfortable talking childish smack nor should he have to.
by Teep on Feb 5, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.. Hey ftg314, we’re on the same page, bro.. I’m glad you broke it down for GORANDY, ( who by the way, disgraces Randy Couture’s name ) because he needs to stop drinking some much HATORADE and start drinking some POWERADE !!! Maybe if B.J. had some Powerade, or for that matter, an ounce of Power. He mightve stood a chance with GSP.. Then again, maybe not !
by Victor ( Scarface ) Azevedo on Feb 5, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply actions
First if their was an incident then I think NSAC should check it out and keep there eyes open in future fights. I really dont think that the small amount that was put on GSP’s back was intentional. The only thing bothering me about this situation is the Penn fans that think that this affected the fight in any way. The vasoline had nothing to do with GSP’s performance. It didnt help him pass guard, break BJ’s rubber guard, or any of the accusations that some people have made on this site. GSP done all of those things using strength and technique. Vasoline, however, had absolutely nothing to do with it.
This is probably why GSP is inviting a rematch.
by Matt25 on Feb 5, 2009 12:42 AM EST reply actions
I consider BJ’s conduct to be reprehensible.
First off, the issue of whether or not there was vaseiline is irrelevant. BJ’s guard was wide open all night and it held. GSP didn’t even need to pass it to beat the crap out of him. You can tell that they definitely connected and had significant impact.
Secondly, even if it is found that is the case; it doesn’t change a damn thing. The win will still be GSP’s and some poor corner guy is going to get hammered with fines because BJ=Pussy. BJ fucked off during training against a fighter like GSP and this is his consequences. BJ, Be grown-up and man the fuck up.
by Andrew J. O'Brien on Feb 5, 2009 12:53 AM EST reply actions
actually they could rule it a no contest genius if they really wanted.
by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 5, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sick of gsp I’m training I want a match with him
by deebok on Feb 5, 2009 1:09 AM EST reply actions
good look with that bro, i say youll last 10 seconds lmao
by Jared on Feb 5, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
I take it back and bj Penn sucks he being a poor sport
by deebok on Feb 5, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions
Did anyone actually see the footage? you guy’s are making it out that he was covered in grease. That is not the case from what I saw.
I’m a fan of BJ, but what GSP’s trainer did was wipe probably 95% of the vaseline on his face. What as left over, he touched his upper back and a small portion of his shoulders.
Can’t you guy’s see that this has gotten insane. we are all blowing this out of proportion.
I’m sure more vaseline came from BJ’s face which was rubbing all over GSP’s arms, chest, shoulders and elbows.
Does BJ actually believe this is what cost him the fight?
If that’s the case, he’s crazier then all of us.
I hope they fight again and this time ban any use of vaseline. maybe that will settle it.
I have lost a lot of respect for BJ.
Stop acting like a spoiled kid and man up for once.
Can we please move on.
by luke on Feb 5, 2009 1:59 AM EST reply actions
Im hoping GSP counter acts this formal request, and files his owm formal request into the NSAC. The request for GSP will go alil something like this. Dear NSAC, I had a fight with a very gifted Bj Penn, That I dominated, Bj said he would fight me to the death which did not happen, he quit against me and did not live up to his promise that he would fight to the death. So for my appeal im asking that Bj go to his room lay there for about 20 to 30 minutes and instead of fuking himself maybe he should swallow about 50 razor blades for all of his comments. I apologize for what my cornerman did, yall did see this and wipe it off. Also I am a fighter, and before fights we shave our body hair on our arms and chest and anywhere we can, that way when we fight our sweat makes us slippery. I did save all the blades that i shaved with. So i will be glad to donate them for his use in swallowing some blades.
Thanks
GSP
by See What Had Happend Was !!!! on Feb 5, 2009 2:19 AM EST reply actions
That’s right, O’Brien, BJ just needs to man the fuck up and stop acting like such a little bitch ! He should’ve known better than to get into the Octagon with GSP in the first place! Vaseline, Curel, Lubriderm, I don’t give a fuck what they rubbed on him, they could’ve blind-folded GSP, and he still would’ve fucked him up !
by Victor ( Scarface ) Azevedo on Feb 5, 2009 2:45 AM EST reply actions
If this fight happens I hope it does not push back any GSP v Silva fight. GSP has a tough fight in front of him with Thiago and if he wins I would rather see GSP spend his time training for something worth his while. The fans and GSP should not be manipulated by the spoiled one… “Georges is going to tap” “Georges you cut too much weight” “170 is my fighting weight” blah blah blah… How can anybody respect this guy????
by TapedUpPair on Feb 5, 2009 3:48 AM EST reply actions
Bj is a goof! Grow up Moron you lost face it. Be a man pic your ass up and move on, retire, stay at light weight or what ever your going to do. No cares anyways you spoiled brat.
by Stevo the great! on Feb 5, 2009 6:16 AM EST reply actions
I am very sorry George I forgot that you had internet in Canada please dont beat me up again sir. I dont know what came over me my Brother told me to say that mean stuff. If theres anything I can do to make it up to you please let me know. Maybe a autographed pineapple fruit basket.just please please please dont whip my ass again.
by BJ Penn on Feb 5, 2009 6:17 AM EST reply actions
LOL! Georges is hilarious! This is awesome! I hope there IS a rematch, to shut up all the haters!
by justagirl on Feb 5, 2009 6:43 AM EST reply actions
There is no way BJ takes another fight against GSP. Vas or no vas, BJ simply isn’t the fighter that GSP is. The sooner the NSAC comments, the better!
by SilasM on Feb 5, 2009 7:12 AM EST reply actions
it would be awesome if GSP agreed to meet BJ at like 160 pounds or something…so they could both be at sort of a natural weight class.
by ja434650 on Feb 5, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
160? GSP walks around at 185/190. I can’t see him cutting to 160.
by SilasM on Feb 5, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
No way he can cut to 160
by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 5, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
GSP almost droped dead at the weigh ins from cutting so much this time.
by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 5, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
All the comments here are amazing to read. Here is how I see things. Innocent until proven guilty. There is a big difference between cheating and mistakenly breaking the rules. In order for cheating to have occured GSP would have had to knowingly been a part intentionally greasing himself up. Did that happen? The reality is we will never know. Could it be an elaborate scheme with a good cover story (part of my breathing technique)? It could be but I would rather give GSP the beneift of doubt (innocent until proven guilty).
That being said, the reality is that something happened that was against the rules. The NSAC witnessed it happening and took steps to recitify the situation to their satisfaction and allowed the fight to continue. Due to this action that was against the rules it is well within BJ’s rights to request an investigation or file a complaint.
It doesn’t have to be anything more than that. It doesn’t have to be BJ whining and crying about losing. All it has to be is two fighters coming together in a match where a rule was broken and the steps taken afterwards to be sure it doesn’t happen again.
by Mike on Feb 5, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions
Good post. But keep in mind “Kizer said it isn’t necessary for Penn’s camp to file an official claim in order for the NSAC to issue further penalties, but he said the Hawaiian’s representatives are more than welcome to press the matter if they see fit.”…. One way to look at this – saving face.
by TapedUpPair on Feb 5, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Go watch it on Youtube. He clearly reaches around and rubs his traps and back shoulders. Not like patting your back, like me moving into your personal space so I can reach the middle of your back.
Watch the video, it was blatant.
by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 5, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
look into Thai massage and perhaps your interpretation will change??
by TapedUpPair on Feb 5, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Watch some of the rest of the videos “Greased Up” and you can actually tell that some of the guys in the red coats can actually tell that he was being greased up…so there was something defenitly up.
Whatever it is BJ still wouldve loss and I would like to see a third one with no title on the line just a plain fight and watch GSP dominate again.
by Hispanic Panic on Feb 5, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions
I say we find out… FREE on Spike like the Ortiz v. Shamrock fight.
by Bruiser on Feb 5, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions
haha. I think the UFC just wants the NSAC to decide and to bury this. I don’t think they want to promote a fight because the last one was tainted.
by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 5, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
"It’s disrespectful, but B.J. is a winner," St. Pierre said. "I understand a winner’s mentality. A winner’s mentality always tries to understand the reason why he lost. In B.J.’s case, he doesn’t do it in a good way. I understand that he tries to understand why he lost, but what he should’ve done instead of looking at things he doesn’t control he should’ve looked at himself in the mirror and asked himself what he should’ve done better to be more well-prepared for that fight to be able to beat Georges St. Pierre instead of looking at me and try to find excuses… B.J. right now is doing it all wrong and he’s not going to become a better fighter if he keeps acting like this."
by TapedUpPair on Feb 5, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions
I am filing a informal complaint for Mr. St. Pierre against Mr. Penn which claims that Mr. Penn used the illegal substance of superglue on his back which prohibited him from getting off the cage floor for the majority of the fight.
by Chim RIcholds on Feb 5, 2009 10:47 AM EST reply actions
who are all the haters? every bj fan has said gsp won. you guys are all saying the same thing and accusing bj fans of being sore losers.
let’s clarify one more time:
1. complaint is not filed against gsp it’s filed against the cornerman
2. penn fans are not saying gsp is an inferior fighter
3. penn is not asking for a rematch and has admitted gsp is the better fighter
stop making stuff up. if there is no wrongdoing then the investigators will reveal that to the public. if they’re is wrongdoing direct your anger at the NSAC rather than at penn fans.
by r-dog on Feb 5, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions
Well done! Now go home and put your feet up : )
by TapedUpPair on Feb 5, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. No one wants a rematch but cheating is not ok even if you would win easily anyways.
by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 5, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
guilty of cheating without a trial. pretty arrogant posture!
by TapedUpPair on Feb 5, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Can anyone tell me what GSP says? I can’t make it out. Thanks in advance for your help :)
by JimmyC on Feb 5, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions
I’d actually care what GSP has to say if he wasn’t a cheater. He was scared to go to the ground with BJ so he needed a greasy advantage.
by xxBAxx816 on Feb 5, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions
He fought nearly the entire fight on the ground. So obviously he wasn’t afraid of his ground game. But after all the junk BJ talked before the fight he didn’t even put up a fight. He didn’t even fight standing up. He can’t hang with GSP- case closed. GSP is the better fighter and I hope they do rematch so he can permanently shut BJ’s whinning mouth!
by Rich on Feb 5, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cheating is not ok even when you could win easily anyways.
by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 5, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Why would anyone wanna see gsp vs bj penn 3 that is a waste of time. How they going to hype it? Wanna see a one sided fight, i really dont. bJ Wants to retire with some kinda name and if he is going to do that he needs to stay in the lw division. And people who wanna see gsp at 160 your crazy the guy is 190 cutting that much weight is unhealthy. Bj you aint the greatest fighter ever but u can be the best lw ever with a few more wins in the division advice stay in there. Gsp please beat thiago alves so we can see anderson silva vs gsp a true superfight and hopefully not a one sided ass whooping.
by desperus on Feb 5, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions
BJ talked so much junk the weeks leading up to the fight and brought nothing to the cage-nothing! He didn’t even put up a fight. Couldn’t do nothing standing up either; which wouldn’t matter if he were slippery, I know I kick boxed for 5 years. He’s just a punk lookinG for an excuse; case closed. I hope they do rematch and GSP ends his sorry ass!
by Rich on Feb 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions
He doesn’t want a rematch, he would lose. BUT the GSP corner cheated.
So there are 2 separate things going on here.
by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 5, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
To settle the grease controversy, a mandatory five round rematch would redeem the credibility of the UFC as well redeem both BJ Penn and GSP PLUS make tons of $$$ too.
by Jerry WElch on Feb 5, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions
BJ would lose, he doesn’t want it. Neither does the UFC. Imagine them having to explain to everyone why the are rematching (because GSP had vaseline on him?)
The casual fans still don’t even know this happened. The UFC is fine with that.
by Bennie Blanco from the Bronx on Feb 5, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
ha ha hha…“i will wear a rash guard” sweet….penn will get tore up again if he messes with gsp again
by ramon on Feb 5, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions
I guarantee when they look into THE OFFICAL RULES nobody will be in trouble. The offical rules need to change, penns camp don’t have a leg to stand on, in the offical rules it says an unarmed combatant can’t have excessive grease on the face or body. They really need to change things, ONLY the doctors should be allowed to apply grease, and each fighter should be thoroughly checked by an offical before entering the octagon, end this f**king nonsense.
I agree with was someone said earlier, penns camp isn’t wanting a rematch with gsp and thought gsp is the better fighter , just that something was done that in there eye’s was illegal and should be looked into, fair enough. Bottom line things need to change in the ufc, they need to change the rules and if penns camp looks into things legally the ufc may change some of the rules so there isn’t this mess with future fights.
Anyone who isn’t blind or extremely biased towards penn knows the slight bit of vasoline on gsp’s shoulders, upper chest and back had nothing to do with the out come. Gsp steam rolled over penn and I’m sure penn knows this and won’t want a rematch with gsp and I highly doubt the ufc or fans want to see it.
I highly doubt gsp had anything to do with this and think there are many people and factors to point there fingers at for this. Number one the ufc and its officals bizzarly aren’t even away of its offical rules. Number two no cornerman should be allowed to apply grease, only doctors should be doing that.
Somethings you just can’t control when you grease up a fighters face grease more often than not escpecially with grapplers will end up with grease on there chest shoulders and other body parts of each fighter. How many times have you seen a fighter in anothers guard and the guy on the bottom push against the fighters face thereby getting grease on his gloves. With grease on his gloves any part of the body he touches will get grease one it.
Gsp’s reputation is unfairly tarnished and things need to be done to make things right, maybe there needs to be some legal action to get things cleared up, IMO the fighters who call gsp greasy are sore losers as I just explained above how easy it is to transfer grease all over. Officals hopefully check the fighters before hand if they don’t there are stupid and should, my two cents I hope they clear this up in a timely matter.
by nathan on Feb 5, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions
I think it was kind of hilarious when Matt Hughes said he found GSP slippery. Here’s a guy, in his last couple of fights, that looked like a fish out water. Talk about greasy.
by charlyw on Feb 5, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I hope gsp fights penn again and the officals watch gsp shower, to make sure any grease is off, and do it again. I think gsp would beat him worst the next time.
by nathan on Feb 5, 2009 4:56 PM EST reply actions
f*** him up GSP !! Just do it and get it over with! man i hate this mothaFuc*a BJ! I use to respect but now he can f*** OFF!!! HEAR THAT BJ!!! FUC* YOU!!!
by J-ROKISEY on Feb 5, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions
Just saw the fight a few hours ago. GSP prepared well, had a game plan, stuck to it and took BJ out in style. BJ should seriously review where he went wrong and go from there. Well fought GSP.
by markstraining.com on Feb 6, 2009 6:23 AM EST reply actions

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