UFC 94 photos review for 'St. Pierre vs. Penn 2' PPV event
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adam g…………. FIRST….. no excuses penn… you were beat by the better man… the vaseline excuse will be 8 months til bj fans slowly go into the night
by holyintellect on Feb 3, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions
I’m on of the biggest BJ Penn supporters, and give GSP his due! I can’t believe any real fan of the sport itself wouldn’t want the vaseline complaint looked into! If it were just BJ saying this, I’d easily dismiss it, but Serra, Miller, sherk and the list goes on keep saying GSP felt greased during their fights…this gives some merit to an investigation! I was 100% impressed by GSP’s performance and total domination of BJ, but I for one don’t want it to be tainted or with any questions! I welcome an investigation into the practices of “lubing Gsp up!” I’ve heard that Penn’s corner told the commission PRE fight to watch out for this, as they thought it happened in the first fight too. If something happens once, I can qplay it off to the “voodoo” excuse, but something that happens repeatedly does in fact seem very fishy!
by kevin on Feb 3, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Now I remember it wasn’t Frank Trigg but Sherk who said GSP felt slippery….wow! He would have still won but this needs to be looked into…..
by Robert(1) on Feb 3, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Check out phil nurse and team wat; thai massage.
by TapedUpPair on Feb 3, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
KEVIN. there are gifs all over the web of bj’s cornermen doing the same thing to penn during his fight with matt hughes. im sure they could find hundreds of times where trainers rubbed vasoline on their fighters face and then used those same hands,without wiping them off, to rub the fighter back,shoulders, legs and chest. the nsac has already come out with a statement that it was very small amount that got left over and that they were right there when it happened and they wiped it off very hard. there have been dozens of times wher fighters have accused opponents of “greasing”(ken-flo-huerta etc.) it’s funny that bj’s camp is saying they are filing the complaint “so it doesn’t happen to future fighters”. why didn’t they(bj’s camp) care when they were doing it to bj? b/c they are desperatley using any excuse they can for bj’s poor performance. and sherk? the guy all the bj fans were calling a liar about using steroids, now all of a sudden he’s a reliable source. nothing is going to happen gsp, his cornermen might get a fine and or a suspension at worst. thats it. i think this is a straight up bitch move by bj’s camp. they dont care about other fighters, just one fighters bruised ego. they should investigate, just to clear the air. big nog has said in the past that the fighters never used vasoline in japan, and that the vasoline used on fighters faces in the ufc spreads everywhere on the gloves, body, legs. vasoline should be banned from mma altogether imo.
by b.w. on Feb 3, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
b.w., BJ got beat/embarassed bad, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth about the fight. Why should he not file a complaint at the very least to get rid of that corner man? And I think GSP should absolutly be held accountable for anything that takes place in his corner. It may sound like BJ bitching because he lost, but what if he won. Would it be okay? Kenny won and complained about Huerta and he is a Jackson guy too. I am upset about the fight and this just makes it that much worse.
by BNF on Feb 3, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I was thinking. Sherk “the liar”, is now Sherk “the honest”. Desperation at it’s absolute finest.
by GodDamnMike on Feb 3, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
GodDamnMike, its funny how nobody believes Sherk about the roids, but now Sherk has credability in this!
by JV on Feb 3, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
excellent analysis, b.w.: this is precisely what happened.
in addition, the NSAC rep has already said that (a) it was not a large amount of vaseline and (b) that what of it there was on the small of GSP’s back was wiped off. the fact that there was not a large amount of gear involved in this “incident” means that the NSAC won’t be able to find any wrongdoing, even if penn files a formal complaint – the NSAC regs require there to have been a considerable amount of material in order to make an adverse ruling on greasing cases.
finally, penn is a bitch. he needs to man up and own this loss. his behaviour right now is downright embarrassing.
by bad batz on Feb 3, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
BNF, have you not seen all the gifs of BJ’s corrner man doing the EXACT same thing. You BJ fans are a bunch of hypocrites. You know damn well it was an insignificant amount and it happens all the time. It’s just that BJ is a little Bitch that wants to tarnish GSP’s win.
by Gord on Feb 4, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
Investigate PLEASE Serra, Miller and Penn fans. Then I dare any and all of you to get back in the cage. Penn is a great fighter at 155lbs Thats it dudes! Security guards toweling GSP down still doesn’t do it fo you then go cuddle him up. GSP is bigger, better and more well rounded..We will certainly have to listen to Penn fans for a while just like we had to listen to Penn – they are all mutally shit talkers and I suppose the Canadian Athlete of the year will have to KICK HIS ASS for a 3rd time – No problem. The damn yanks needed a thrid bout for GSP in the past why not again. MAYBE NEXT TIME HE’LL BE ACCUSED OF RUBBING MAPLE SYROP ALL OF OVER HIM
by Rusty Springs on Feb 3, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
lol. true though. if all it took was a little vasaline on the back, they’d all be doing it.
by leyton on Feb 3, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Just a note, neither Koscheck nor Fitch have said anything about GSP being greasy and Kos got dominated in basically a wrestling match. So if anyone had a chance to feel greasiness it would have been in that fight. The people complaining are the notorious whiners. Serra, Sherk, Hughes, common!! When Serra was in the fetal position getting knees pushed into his ribs would a greasy back have changed that? When BJ took all those jabs straight to the face would a greasy back have changed that? If the commision being there and noticing it would have thought it was overtly intentional wouldn’t they have stopped the fight and DQ’d him?
by Crayze on Feb 3, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin: i agree man. I was on team Penn, and I give GSP his dues, but this is starting to look really bad for GSP and his corner! There needs to be an investigation, and even if GSP is found guilty, I still wont blame Penn’s performance on the Vaseline, but I wont look at GSP the same ever again!
Too many fighters that I respect have all been saying the same thing. This looks really bad. Just listen to the concerns Dana had in his blog. This isn’t just something that will blow over. The storm is Near!
by john on Feb 3, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Guys… i really have not said much on this.. I did pick GSP to win… the way he won.. being a fan of both BJ Penn and GSP..I just put on the variables on the table and came to my prediction and fight pick.
Now with this whole vaseline issue surfacing.. and BJ’s camp telling the commision about it before hand.. comments by previous opponents..it doesn’t look good for GSP.. as of now I can not discredit his win and performance.. but this does look very bad.. and for who did do that.. bad move.. this clouds up peoples perception of the truth..the truth in this case.. GSP beat BJ handedly.. but with or without help of Vaseline will be debated.. so let’s see what happens.
by PhilQNY on Feb 3, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody who says this is a non issue or should not be investigated is insane. This is a bigger issue that affects all fighters needs to be addressed. Is it also a coinsidence thet Kenny said the same thing about Huerta who is in the same camp?
BJ got his a$$ beat and I don’t see a different outcome, but that was not the BJ I know. That fight wasn’t even competitive. Could this have helped GSP? Who knows, but the fact that we saw it happen and it happened again even after they were warned is very suspect to me.
by BNF on Feb 3, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, wipe some vasiline on your back and shoulders, then try to wipe it off real quick with a towel, see how much comes off. Good luck.
by BNF on Feb 3, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree BNF, it’s oil based, not water, so wiping it off is very hard to do!
by kevin on Feb 3, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
BNF, This is a quote from Keith Kizer
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“We wiped [St. Pierre] down very, very hard,” Kizer said. "And even after the end of the third round, even though there was no touching of his back with Vaseline, we still wiped him down again after that round, too, just to be safe. You do the best you can to make it back to an even playing field and go from there.
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C-mon BNF, do you really think GSP needs to cheat?
by JV on Feb 3, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Absoultly not… But maybe his corner was trying to give him an advantage and he should be held accountable for the people he employees. BJ didn’t show up and GSP destroyed him, but I just don’t like it. But what if it did give GSP a little help? We will never know. It definatly didn’t hurt him. So if BJ wants to file a complaint, I don’t have a problem with it. BTW, I have no interest in another fight because we would see the same outcome and BJ needs to stay at 155.
by BNF on Feb 3, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
BNF. they are investigating it, but it will be a non-issue soon. kieth kizer from the NSAC himself has already said that they wiped gsps back off very, very hard, once between rnds 2 and 3, when nurse touched gsp’s back and left a very little amount on there and then again between rnds 3 and 4 when there was NO vaseline used at all. so they DID NOT do it again after being warned. i dont know where you are getting your info from. bj’s symphathizers keep saying the same old thing, that it didn’t change the outcome of the fight, but that is exactly what they are implying. bj got dominated fair and square. your better than this dude.
by b.w. on Feb 3, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hate to say (I told you so) You got me on the Florian/Stevenson fight, so I had to get you back LOL! And all the rumors going around are just that (rumors) If any of the fighters thought GSP greased up, why didnt they bring it up till now? And its funny that the supposed fighters saying this are the ones who got dominated!!!
by JV on Feb 3, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
b.w. this what I read:
“The fact that NSAC instructed St. Pierre’s corner to stop and that the alleged behavior reportedly continued is alarming. If the presiding athletic body tells a corner to stop doing something, the corner shouldn’t try and defy the commission. A repeat offense committed by a corner should result in a penalty of some kind because if people aren’t willing to abide by the commission’s rulings we then have what amounts to anarchy.”
JV, you got me badly on this one. LOL… F-U-C-K!!!!!!!! Okay, I am over it now. :)
by BNF on Feb 3, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
There are all kinds of things flying around BNF. I read one that the commision said it was Greg Jackson, then that it was Phil Nurse. There was also one that said a fan in the audience pointed it out. But another one said it was Chuck Liddell! So who the f*ck knows? The one that made more sense to me was this one
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The egos involved with the Penn camp are really the driving force behind this story. After having talked so much trash and guaranteed victory, they are hanging onto a final thread to avoid having to talk about why BJ Penn wasn’t even on GSP’s level as a fighter.
I can’t help laughing when I see Valentino claim Penn’s strategy was to fight off his back. Is that why he fought the takedown so hard in the first round?
Phil Nurse made an idiotic mistake, but the only duplicity here is on the part of Team Penn, which is attempting to burn down the entire sport to protect Penn’s image. Despite his attitude, I’ve always had a great deal of respect for BJ Penn. If he has any integrity at all, he will call off the people in his camp, and make a direct statement to the press that Georges St. Pierre beat him because he’s simply a much better fighter. For a guy that has been around for so long, it’s the least he can do.
by JV on Feb 3, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
LOL… I guess we will pick what suites us best. I am ready to move on. Now I can root for Alves to knock GSP’s head off!!! :)
by BNF on Feb 3, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I watched the fight again last night, and he did get wiped down real good after round 2 and round 3. He was checked by the ref before round 1, so that leaves the end of round 1 for a vaseline application. I didn’t see anything there, so I think this is all a bunch of crap. All those guys that are coming forward are just a bunch of bitter whiners. Look into it all you want, but then put them back in the cage w/ GSP and let him beat them down for good measure. Dude could where duct tape and nobody is going to submit him, he’s too freaking strong!
by LJ on Feb 3, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
heres how to settle the whole thing. offer them all another shot, and if anyone of them beat him, then you can punish him or whatever you all are looking for. hell we can even do it a week from now and a week apart, because in their last fights with each of em, he looked like he went for a nice jog when the fight was over. most of you woulda looked more tired climbing 2 flights of stairs.
by Egads on Feb 4, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
It should get looked into, but I don’t believe this fight was tainted or left us with any questions. I don’t need to see these guys fight again the way GSP dominated. GSP is clearly in a different class.
by MikeD on Feb 3, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Kevin,
Can you send me a link to where you read about all of the other camps complaining? I haven’t seen it. Not doubting you or anything, but I think it would be an interesting read.
I find it funny how nobody complains until after the fact though. I mean, he fought Jason Miller almost 4 years ago. I’m not sure how much I buy about it though. I really do think it wasn’t an intentional thing.
by Shadyone33 on Feb 3, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
So you’re saying it’s been happening ALL through GSP career, Yet this is the first we’ve heard of it. Believe me, Penn fans would’ve brought this up during our debate over the months. I have NEVER heard of this before about GSP. Does anyone have any SOURCES, all I’m hearing is “I heard”. Just like “I heard BJ had food poisoning”. I heard that too, from the BJ fan in denial that made that shit up to try and justify what he thought could never happen. I sweat more than anyone I have ever seen and I’m slippery as hell. GSP sweats like a pig and gets slippery, get over it.
by Gord on Feb 4, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
That picture looks like BJ is lying in the corner crying like a little baby. I was thrilled to see Baby J get stomped by GSP.
My only regret is that BJ quit before the fifth round, because GSP surely would have knocked him out or submitted him. BJ vowed to fight to the death, but it looks like he took a few too many days off and couldn’t hang with the best. I hope they do investigate the obvious vaseline rub downs GSP got between rounds. I want to see GSP beat the cr*p out of BJ again and again. Maybe that way he will develop a little humility and stop insulting everyone he fights.
by DrPepper on Feb 3, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
HI, i’m really getting sick of this shit. You GSP fans are really starting to look like poor winners. Show me ONE post from someone on Team Penn or AdamG himself where they say GSP is a cheater and the vaseline caused him to win the fight. We’ve all been giving him his props and have all been dealing with the depression of BJ getting smashed and the dickhead steelers winning the superbowl. Show me ONE post. ONE. GSP is incredible. He deserved it, but the BJ fans aren’t the one’s who will drag this out for 8 months. We’ve been saying BJ needs to let it go and get back down to 155. You wanted him to lose…fine. He did. But alot of you GSP guys are acting like we’re crying foul on this thing and I haven’t seen one person say that.
by Crowls on Feb 3, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
It’s hard to say:
What It would be like if Bj were to have won that fight, but I’d have to imagine that we would have to deal with relentless, immature comments from some of the worst fans(Penn fans I’ve ever had the displeasure of coming in contact(personally) with.
It’s very easy to say(especially considering the nature of the beating BJ took):
Yea, GSP is a great fighter(by the way, notice how it’s fighter now and not “athlete”) and I give him his props(hell, he just made your favorite fighter look like a little girl why wouldn’t you?)
Get were I’m going with this?
Do not dare act like Bj fan’s(as a generality, not individually) would be anymore humble or respectful if the outcome would have fell in Bj’s favor. To do so is nothing short of naive.
by JaSwin420 on Feb 3, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
JaSwin, I get what you are trying to say and agree that if BJ win we would rub all the GSP guys noses in it. I don’t have a problem with that part of it. I want you guys to do that, you deserve it. You should however, thank AdamG for making the month leading up to this fight as fun as it was. In fact if I was on team GSP, I would rub it in for at least a week, and then I’d get bored. But when BJ’s next fight rolled around, i’d make witty remarks like"hey, you guys remember that time GSP smashed BJ for 4 rds and he quit before the 5th??", that’s the type of stuff i expect.
My post was directed at HolyIntellect. I take issue with him saying that the BJ fans are making an issue of the vaseline thing which we are not. I am a fan of both fighters but in a fight like this I’ll always root for the smaller guy. If GSP fights Silva, I will be hoping GSP takes him down. And I’ll love everything Silva does at 205, so forth and so on.
by Crowls on Feb 3, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
BJ’s left big toe is in a very special place in this photo
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Feb 4, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
BJ looks like an CRYING INFANT! All he needs is a Pacifier and Rattler!!
by DAVE on Feb 4, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of great pictures, I am still looking for THE PERFECT snap shot of the end of Fedor/Arlovski. I pause my TV and get it perfect, but if I take a picture of my TV it will look like crap. I am looking for a crystal clear picture like 2 seconds after the KO. Arlovski is laying there on the side of his face, the ref is standing over him waiving both arms over his head, and Fedor is walking away, toward the camera, with him holding his right arm up. I MUST have that picture hanging at my desk! If anyone can help, I’d GREATLY appreciate it!!!!
by ViolentMike on Feb 3, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I know this isn’t much help, but I have seen that pic online. Actually a few(was it on this sight?) right after Arlovski hit the ground looking dead with Fedor just walking away. Basically I was just going to say keep looking!
by Diceman on Feb 3, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I saw one somewhere too…think it was that 2nd rate site MMAnews.com
by McArthur on Feb 3, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I would like a picture of that moment as well. I saw it online, dont remember where, but that picture will be engraved in my memory for the rest of my life! Truly a memorable mma moment!
by john on Feb 3, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve Google Image searched and found something vey close to what I’m looking for, but not quite exact.
This is close, but he doesn’t yet have his arm up yet, and I want the angle to be facing Fedor’s face, not unconcious Arlovski…
http://www.sherdog.com/pictures/gallery/event/15942/76053
by ViolentMike on Feb 3, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I love that pick. I just think of all the things that BJ was saying like “to the death”… “he is gonna think I’m God”. All that stuff. ouch.
by DZZ on Feb 3, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Penn looks like he is crying like a baby in that photo!
by Ca$z on Feb 3, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree. BJ was talking way too much smack for his own good.
I must say though, I think I got all my “BJ hating” out. It’s done now so we have to move on just like him. I’m back to being a BJ LW fan!
by DJ on Feb 3, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah he is good at lw. He will do good there. Maybe he learned a lesson and will respect who he has to fight from now on. I guess we will see.
by DZZ on Feb 3, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I doupt it, and I can’t wait for Florian to kick his ass, and now he has to make 155 and get this loss out of tinny brain.
by Ro-J on Feb 3, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
lol. The ONLY reason BJ never pulled the trigger is because he respected GSP’s wrestling takedowns so much. Florian is NOT GSP and BJ will have NO worries pulling the trigger with Florian.
by haglnuts on Feb 3, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with that. Sherks wrestling is second to none and he had no issues punching him in the face over and over again.
by enzo-enormous on Feb 3, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Incorrect. Sherks wrestling is second to one…GSP.
by Diceman on Feb 3, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Believe it or not, my only question will be BJ’s mental toughness in his first fight back at LW. He’s got some serious demons to wrestle before he’s 100% again. If anything, he knows how GSP felt after losing to Serra.
by DJ on Feb 3, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
bj looked in pain man. if it wasn’t for his incredible chin i believe gsp would have ko’ed him with his punches for open guard.
by kazai on Feb 3, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions
He stunned BJ (BJ was basically done after that punchin the 2nd round) and the only thing that saved Fitch in the first round was the fact that when he was rocked instead of falling straight back and leaving himself open he fell forward so GSP couldn’t get another punch in to finish him off. I am pretty sure that GSP has knockout power.
by JSP on Feb 3, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, I was always cheering for GSP, But I was also a BJ fan. Now I dont even want to see him fight. He is bad for the sport, having fighteres say they want to kill someone kinda defeats the purpose of promoting this as an athletic sport. Further more he has zero sportmanship. BJ RIP
by Ro-J on Feb 3, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions
GSP doesnt go for knock outs, he goes to win, looping bunches leave openings (flaw).
by Ro-J on Feb 3, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
and BJ when you go to sleep tonight, close your eyes and go Fack your self
by Ro-J on Feb 3, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Have to agree.BJ has loads of talent but is so disrespectful and whiney he belittles the sport.Had I known he planned to retire after a win against GSP I would have liked to see him win coz at least we would have been rid of the whiney disrespectful bitch and just had proper sportsmen in MMA.
by john on Feb 3, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Is that the real john?
I havent told too many people, but I was a huge fan of Penn back in the day. I realized a long time ago that he was such a dick that I started disliking him pretty quick. I dont want to see him retire at all because he is a great fighter, but I am really happy to see him get everything he said used against him in one fight. Truly classic. Hopefully he just quits acting like a spoiled brat and starts showing respect.
by enzo-enormous on Feb 3, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I was rooting for BJ, still a Penn fan regardless, like I said before, the only thing that was really dissapointing for me was seeing BJ throw in the towel. I was definatley dissapointed the fight wasn’t a back and forth battle, but o well. GSP looked great, unless there’s any truth to the grease scandal; in which case I’d have to look at the fight again. Pretty solid card all around, have to agree with VM giving Guida the nickname “Huggie Bear”; that fight was kinda lame and didn’t deserve fight of the night; IMO Bonnar vs Jones should have gotten fight of the night.
by O damn he got caught on Feb 3, 2009 10:55 AM EST reply actions
O Damn, its catching on!!!!!
LOL
Instead of giving Guida/Diaz fight of the night, they should have given Machida and GSP MORE money for their truely impressive performances. They SAVED the event. If it weren’t for Machida or GSP, it would have been the WORST event in the history of the UFC – ALL decisions, more than half of them split, and this is for their “Super Card”
by ViolentMike on Feb 3, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
That’s funny, because I’ve been touting this event as one of the best in a long time for that very reason. All the decisions made for really balanced good fights. If all you want is Subs and KO’s watch a Van Damme movie. To me watching Clay Guida get the best of Nate Diaz and get caught in a couple of tricky positions was very exhilerating. That’s what makes MMA exciting. If you want to see a meathead pound on someone who can’t offer any reatalliation, you’d be better off with the Kimbo clips on YouTube.
Getting to finally see Machida get his KO was pleasant though.
by RU486 on Feb 3, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
This pic should be blown-up and put in TUF gym, where it will remind the newer, younger fighters to have some respect and be a hard-working athlete. Not a piece of trash thug, who will slowly kill the credibility of the sport.
by GodDamnMike on Feb 3, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions
Priceless!
Been waiting a long time to see BJ get worked over. He deserved every bit of that mugging and more.
And yes NO ECXUSES. A high guard didn’t do nothing for BJ in round one neither did rubber guard. Guess all that training with The Insane One just didn’t work out as planned.
by Vulcano on Feb 3, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions
I guess if your going to fight GSP, dont expect running underwater with a rock to help.
by DZZ on Feb 3, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly I cant really see how runnning underwater and not breathing can even help. Isnt the whole point of working cardio to breath lots and get the heart rate up? Im know expert so if I am wrong please let me know.
by the spyder on Feb 3, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
In theory, it makes the aveoli in your lungs larger… the avoeli is where gas exchange takes place between CO2 (being expelled) and O2 (taken in). So your body can get more O2 out of every breath you take.
by DJ on Feb 3, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I believe that the running under water with a rock routine also increases your anaerobic conditioning. That is the ability of your muscles to function without oxygen, such as when sprinting or lifting weights. Both aerobic and anaerobic conditioning are important in a fast-paced fight.
by DrPepper on Feb 3, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
BJ used to be a smoker!!! I don’t care if you can run under wet concrete…smoking sticks with ya for YEARS!!!!
by McArthur on Feb 3, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
BJ never went down in round one. What changed the fight was when GSP passed to side control. There was no return from the beating in side control in round 2. Would he have pased the guard without the greese? It is a legit complaint and because many other fighters have said the same thing it may have been on purpose.
by hatteras on Feb 3, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I thought that GSP was doing some extensive damage in BJ’s guard too. Watch the fight again.
by Jake on Feb 3, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
What changed the fight was the huge bomb GSP hit BJ with in the 2nd round. When he finally gets him down he is working in BJ’s guard and didn’t really do to much damage he stands up with BJ still on his back and nails him with 2 huge bombs after that BJ was done, he didn’t know where he was for about a minute. GSP passed BJ’s guard at will after that not because of a tiny amount of vasoline but because he is to strong for BJ and BJ had already taken to much damage.
BJ had the same look on his face after round 2 that Hughes did after round one in the third fight. That look of why did I want this fight, what was I thinking.
by JSP on Feb 3, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAH, i loved that. I took vacation for a week but look at me I can run underwater with a rock. So can some chick on youtube…… congrats.
by Foamdome on Feb 3, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions
lets think about this one
GSP trains with :greg jackson,keith jardine, rashad evans, david
loiseau .
BJ trains with :dopey older brother, troy melandozez or whatever his name is(the guy from TUF who lost his first fight)
hmmmmm
bit of a difference
by captain ron on Feb 3, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions
And lets not forget, future HW champion, Justin McCully!!
Wait…..wouldnt training with Mccully be more like anti-training? Making BJ’s skills worse….somehow?
by big D on Feb 3, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
hate to say it, but this is the post of the day!! Don’t forget to add the Lauzon boys!
by kevin on Feb 3, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think the lube is a non-issue. You get more vaseline on you giving a 14 year old boy a high-five… Not to mention when they clinch, the stuff gets all over the place. If anything, BJ had an advantage because they whiped GSP’s back dry, which it normally wouldn’t be in rounds 2 and up…fighters are sweaty beasts.
What’s next from BJ fans…should GSP be stripped for having too much vaseline on his hands and elbows from mugging BJ’s face.
I’m glad that this is over, GSP is my favourite fighter and Penn is in my top 5 for sure…so I can go back to cheering for both.
by MM_Eh on Feb 3, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions
ya no doupt thin of the belly to back suplex, hell Nate Diaz probably had tons on his back from Guida.
by Ro-J on Feb 3, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Come on guys, I was rooting for GSP too, theres no need for all the BJ hate. BJ is still a great fighter and I think he will be light weight champ for a while. All the talk is just to sell the fight which I think he did a pretty good job of. As far as the greasing incident I don’t think it played a role in the fight, GSP is just to much for BJ at 170lbs.
by CCF on Feb 3, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions
I agree with the part that BJ is still a great fighter and will probably rule his division for awhile (go KENFLO) but he was such a bitch coming into this fight that its easy to be hate’n right now. Myself, I loved BJ coming into this fight and by the time all the hype, build up and fight were over I was totally hating BJ (I still love you man) due to all the shit he spoke and all the disrespect he showed coming in.
by the spyder on Feb 3, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yep thats what happens when you run your mouth like that. I mean I think he is a great fighter and could be a great Champ but he is a punk ass.
by DZZ on Feb 3, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Beautiful picture. A nice valentines day card.
by Vince McMahon on Feb 3, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions
I think KENFLO can beat BJ and cant wait for this fight to happen. This will be a great fight, both guys love to stand and throw they are both great on the ground. This will be a way better fight than the one sided beatdown we just watched on the weekend.
by the spyder on Feb 3, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions
One thing I find a little messed up about this whole lube controversy is that everyone is automatically assuming there was a large amount on his back and shoulders. We hear the word vaseline, we look at how GSP was able to pass the guard of BJ, a gassed BJ I might add, and everyone who would have liked to see the fight go a different way automatically assumes he must have been covered in the stuff.
Even Kizer gave the impression in his interview that George was covered in the stuff just by the way he reacted to the situation. Despite this he never actually came right out and said anything relating to the amount of vaseline he witnessed being applied. All thats ever been said or shown on video with any degree of certainty is that GSP corner applied vaseline to GSP’s face and then touched other parts of his body before wiping their hands. We can not tell from the video, nor has anyone including Kizer come out and made any direct comments regarding the amount of vaseline. Point being there may have been alot (as many people are taking the opportunity to imply) there may have been very little, or there may in fact have been none at all. The commission has said that they wiped george down because he was touched after vaseline was applied to his face but even then, despite Kizers dramatics, they can not and have not said anything relating to the amount of vaseline, if any was even visible, that they actually saw. It sounds like they wiped him down as a precaution but can not actually says weather or not there was anything there in the first place. I’m not saying there wasn’t, my only point is that everyone is taking the opportunity to assume he was lathered in the stuff when there many in fact have been nothing at all.
As for Miller and Sherk and everyone else saying he was greasy these comments have to be taken at face value. These guys have all been beaten rather one sidedly by GSP in the past. Sherk himself cannot even admit his own guilt over taking steroids, the evidence of which is far more conclusive that any lube allegation you could make against GSP, so why should anyone take anything he says as fact. Sean Sherk is tainted far more than GSP will ever be.
One final point (if anyone is still reading) and while I know it is a bit of a stretch it should still be considered. Maybe in GSP’s day to day life he uses a lot of moisturizer or baby oil or whatever anyone uses to keep their skin moist. A lot of people do it. If so perhaps this has something to do with the fact that people find him slippery when wet. I know I know…. that’s a big if but I’m just throwing it out there. If the things people have said are in fact true there could be other explanations aside from cheating.
This whole situation deals with a great deal of “If” and very little certainty and this needs to be kept in mind before we go throwing people under the bus and quite possibly ending their careers.
by Foamdome on Feb 3, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions
By the sounds of it, was a few finger touches in the middle of his back (uh oh, no subs now!!), and a possible minor shoulder rub. That in itself isnt going to help GSP get into side control or mount like he did. GSP has some of the best guard passing around, its just skill.
As for Sherk complaining about GSP being greased, that makes no sense. They stood for awhile, then GSP took him down and pounded him until his nose broke and the ref stopped it. GSP being greasy or not greasy would not have affected that fight at all.
If anything, it the complaints are common, maybe GSP eats some sort of food that makes his sweat greasier? From my wrestling days, i know of a few guys who became slip N slides once the sweat hit, but who really knows. Could just be guys bitching because they got dominated.
by big D on Feb 3, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
ALL these guys who complain are SORE losers and gsp humilated them, maybe gsp sweats alot in his fights, which would make him slippery, ever watch him sparring in primetime, he was sweating like a faucet, sweat was pouring out of him.
by nathan on Feb 3, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions
BJ is a great fighter, but he has to retool now. GSP has given everyone in the LW division the manual to kicking his a** (“Owning BJ Penn for Dummies”). His game needs to change a bit. He still has most of the division on lock, but like GSP he needs to keep evolving.
by DSmith on Feb 3, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions
Here is some great insight on GSP’s new book “Owning BJ Penn For Dummies”.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/mma/02/02/georges.st.pierre.qa/index.html
St. Pierre and his trainers actually boil it right down to a science, literally. Enjoy.
by GodDamnMike on Feb 3, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
great find GodDamn…good read. Ihope he fights again three months!
by Jake on Feb 3, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I like GSP as a fighter but not P4P he doesnt have that finishing instinct like A.Silva. GSP hurts people then takes them down and GnP and ends up just laying on them switching from full guard to side control. He hardly tries to mount or open up and bring down punishment that will KO somebody he is to conservative he relies on his great conditioning and athletisism but it will come back to haunt him for not finishing fighters. The day will come were he will be dominating and he will get caught for not finishing guys off. To the vaseline scandal I watched a report that was dones and DR. witch was not tapping his chest he grabbed vaseline and continue to putting it on GSP’s shoulder and up and down his chest and on his back he did not do it on his whole back but on his shoulder blades and neck. Even if they wipe it off its still there. Try even with lotion put some on your hands then wipe it off and then put water in you hands the slippery sensation all comes back. They would have needed GSP to go to the locker room and shower and fully dry, then come out to fight. I dont think the results would have been different because he has good control but a possability of him getting caught would have been they’re and I dont think he would have been able to pass as easy as he did. That and BJ giving up on himself helped GSP pass his guard at will.
by hk on Feb 3, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions
try watching the actual event…the stuff was not lathered on GSP like you’re talking about.
by MM_Eh on Feb 3, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
What report shows this? I saw some photo’s on another sight but that wasn’t done in real time they just arranged the photo’s they way they wanted to. When I watched the fight again I paid close attention to what happened which they show pretty clear and at no time did he re-dip in the vasoline and apply it to his back and shoulders.
by JSP on Feb 3, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
There have been so many posts (not in this thread but others) in regards to the size difference and the fact that BJ got the beatdown from a much bigger opponent, etc. Yet prior to the fight, that was rarely mentioned, it didn’t even come up as an issue. In fact by his own admission BJ got into BJJ because the smaller man has a chance against a bigger opponent. It’s not the first time BJ has jumped up a division. Plain and simply, GSP was the better man that night and it would’ve been the same outcome even if BJ was a natural WW. GSP is just on a another level right now.
by mma_dad on Feb 3, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions
It’s funny how the people who are hating on BJ for ripping into GSP before the fight are essentially doing the same thing he was now, pointing out the most obvious flaws he has. The guy got his head pounded on for 20 minutes by one of the best fighters in the world,just wait to see what he has to say for his next fight and dont lie and say you dont want to see him back at 155
by IH on Feb 3, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions
One thing I find a little messed up about this whole lube controversy is that everyone is automatically assuming there was a large amount on his back and shoulders. We hear the word vaseline, we look at how GSP was able to pass the guard of BJ, a gassed BJ I might add, and everyone who would have liked to see the fight go a different way automatically assumes he must have been covered in the stuff.
Even Kizer gave the impression in his interview that George was covered in the stuff just by the way he reacted to the situation. Despite this he never actually came right out and said anything relating to the amount of vaseline he witnessed being applied. All thats ever been said or shown on video with any degree of certainty is that GSP corner applied vaseline to GSP’s face and then touched other parts of his body before wiping their hands. We can not tell from the video, nor has anyone including Kizer come out and made any direct comments regarding the amount of vaseline. Point being there may have been alot (as many people are taking the opportunity to imply) there may have been very little, or there may in fact have been none at all. The commission has said that they wiped george down because he was touched after vaseline was applied to his face but even then, despite Kizers dramatics, they can not and have not said anything relating to the amount of vaseline, if any was even visible, that they actually saw. It sounds like they wiped him down as a precaution but can not actually says weather or not there was anything there in the first place. I’m not saying there wasn’t, my only point is that everyone is taking the opportunity to assume he was lathered in the stuff when there many in fact have been nothing at all.
As for Miller and Sherk and everyone else saying he was greasy these comments have to be taken at face value. These guys have all been beaten rather one sidedly by GSP in the past. Sherk himself cannot even admit his own guilt over taking steroids, the evidence of which is far more conclusive that any lube allegation you could make against GSP, so why should anyone take anything he says as fact. Sean Sherk is tainted far more than GSP will ever be.
One final point (if anyone is still reading) and while I know it is a bit of a stretch it should still be considered. Maybe in GSP’s day to day life he uses a lot of moisturizer or baby oil or whatever anyone uses to keep their skin moist. A lot of people do it. If so perhaps this has something to do with the fact that people find him slippery when wet. I know I know…. that’s a big if but I’m just throwing it out there. If the things people have said are in fact true there could be other explanations aside from cheating.
This whole situation deals with a great deal of “If” and very little certainty and this needs to be kept in mind before we go throwing people under the bus and quite possibly ending their careers.
Foamdome
by Foamdome on Feb 3, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions
Wow! Is he cryin’? GSP too much for him. when you move up in weight you take this chance.
by Brian "CLAY "THE TICK" GUIDA on Feb 3, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions
MMAMANIA….. are you planning on posting my last comment anytime soon???
by Foamdome on Feb 3, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions
When Kizer from the NSAC says he wiped Georges back very hard twice, then again between the following round, he’s using a dry cotton towel not wax paper. So as far as there is still lots of sliptivity left on Georges back…I don’t think so.
by Couchchamp on Feb 3, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions
Pierre was being kinda dirty between the grabbing of the shorts, the hitting to the back of the head, and the vasoline. I’m very disappointed, I thought he would show more honesty and respect.
by ja434650 on Feb 3, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions
Officals all over, camera’s all over. How and hell is his cheat clear as day? Did you watch the same fight I did? All I seen was dominate ass whippin given to a lesser skilled fighter.
by Stevo on Feb 3, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
this picture is better than the one of stevenson squirting blood
by ken on Feb 3, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions
BJ looks like an CRYING INFANT! All he needs is a Pacifier!!
by DAVE on Feb 4, 2009 12:09 AM EST reply actions
Bj Penn is just pouting since he lost his fight to GSP Saturday January 31st/2009. I personally think it is all crap. Bj penn just needs to face the fact that he lost to a way better fighter. Bj Penn was not fighting back at all on Saturday January 31/2009. I should know I ordered the Pay Per View that day. I think the complaint against GSP is not right. he won fair and square.
by Tanya on Feb 4, 2009 3:46 AM EST reply actions
“BJ Penn is an absolute wizard on the ground” – Mike Goldberg.
That is what the photo should be titled, just to make it funnier.
by Vulcano on Feb 6, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions
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