No amount of lube would have softened then entry of this beating.

BJ (whom i am a HUGE fan) got his ass handed to him definitively. He broke. He quit. He will have to eat ALL the words. For him to try to say GSP was cheating is ridiculus. With ALL the cameras, personell who inspect, and all the hype surrounding this fight, GSP would have to be stupid and crazy to cheat IN-BETWEEN rounds when he was ALREADY DOMINATING!

BJ needs to shut his mouth, train, and get back on track at LW.

Its pretty evident that they werent trying to cheat and that the outcome would have been the same. BJ just didnt look his usual self although according to the hawian news channel he done an interview for, he said he was 100per?? However they will argue about the cheating thing??? very strange!! he should have just trained his ass off like GSP then there would be no room for doubt!

I could be wrong and maybe BJ did give it his all, but that wasnt the BJ we all know, or was GSP just that good??

come on mania where is that post of mine.

I blame Steve Mazzagatti for shaving his moustache.

No wonder Dana is pissed off at him.

It doesn’t matter either way. That was one of the most dominating ass whoopin’s I have ever seen. Actually I haven’t seen a beating like that since I opened my xmas presents early one year and my father whooped my fuckin ass. BJ looked scared, I am a huge BJ fan and respect GSP but god damn was that insanely impressive. He was sweaty, and the witchcraft shizz is prolly legit. I dont really think a little vaseline would matter anyway. Greg Jackson is a classy guy who is fair and plays by the rules. He is the smartest man in MMA when it comes to gameplans (along with co-trainer Mike Winkeljon, whom Jackson gives all credit to). This should be forgotten and no way should it tarnish anything he did.

What a joke. Cheating is cheating, it doesn’t matter if it changed the outcome of the fight. GSP would probably won either way. But what he did was cheating, when you watch the replay of it you can see what they are doing. People saw it, the officials saw it, dana saw it, and even some of the fighters saw it. Cheating is cheating.

Cheating is cheating

Ok it seems it didnt matter but they did cheat! maybe just a little butt hy still did it. Greg Jackson trys to say they would grease him all over? well they would get caught then so the smart thing to do is just grease a little and get away with it like they did.

If BJ Penn is a MAN & Champion he should be the 1st to step forward and end this B*S* Rumor!

i lose respect for bj more and more, he is such a sore loser. i bet he will disappeared for several of month and resurface only when everyone has have forgotten the beat down he took.

bj penn is a little biaaaatch. GSP doesn’t need to cheat to beat penn. good to hear greg jackson explain this lame shit.

“this comes from a camp who must give themselves titty-twisters prior to each fight. Hard to argue with anything at Jackson’s camp considering what GSP and fellow UFC title holder Rashad Evans have been able to do under his tutelage.”
  I think this said it best. What would GSP gain from cheating? He knows he can beat Penn, and Jacksons camp is known for doing some wierd shit during fights.

i just watched the breaks in the fight in slow motion and it looks like GSPs corner is doing exactly what Greg Jackson explains above. if the bj’etts need a good conspiracy to help calm the pain, then God bless em.

I blame the loss on that queer that kissed BJ during the entrance. haha. WTF

I’m a BJ fan but no excuses Vaseline or no vaseline he got beat. It wouldn’t have changed the outcome.

If you aint cheating, you aint trying.

This whole thing happened after round 2. Round 2 was where GSP was killing BJ, passing his guard, and it was a 10-8 round. I don’t see where it made a difference.

Besides, they wiped it off before the start of round 3 anyway.

Hotdamn, Yeah I heard about that “Kiss of Death” too. WTF I was watching the fight at the bar and when I saw that I was like Who is this clown & how did he get passed security?

and ragardless of how tiny that vaseline they put on GSP’s back why they still put it in GSP’s back? for what reason? swollen back??? they’ll not done it without purspose,

im a both fan of gsp and penn

BJ looked nervous before the fight and not himself, but the last thing a monster like GSP needed was any kind of additional advantage whether it was intentional or not.

Looking back on the fight, the only shot BJ had was when he pulled rubber guard in the second. GSP is super hard to submit, but to add some extra slickness to his back against a guy whose main asset is his jits, even if GSP just beat him to kingdom come, is a damn shame. Even if it was a mistake, wtf.

I really hope that there was nothing there (tho an official jumping at him with a towel is not a promising image) because I had very much gotten used to the notion that BJ deserved to get his ass kicked by the humble hard-working GSP because of all his trash talking.

If there was some foul play after all this I think I’m gonna short circuit. The last thing this fight needed was ANY kind of controversy.

Lets get a Rematch without Vaseline and lets see what would happen. Lol!

Did BJ want that?

GSP would have won this fight with both his arms tied behind his back… BJ could have been greased from head to toe with Vaseline and still would have got battered…

i watched GSP vs Fitch just now and you can see his trainner rubbing his back n chest and patting it. So it is a ritual that he normaly does

BJ stands for Big Joke Penn I always said his name sounds like a gay prison movie.He just needs to go home to the rest of the inbread waterhead pineapple eating lazy no shoe wearing ice paridise maybe he can go work for dog the bounty hunter and be his fluffer before each seen. huh Bj what a fucking ego maniac everyone says his family is the richest on the island I guess so when the whole population is on meth thats probably how the got there money by selling that shit.

Quit crying BJ….go to your room and take 20 to 30 minutes to the think about what just happend and go f*&% yourself…Lost all respect for this piece of sh&* during the prime time shows. Mark my words he will be so mentally screwed up from here on out he will lose the light weight belt to ken flo….retire him kenny

For any of you who live in Hawaii and watched KHON2 news at 6 understand that this whole story got taken out of context. JD Penn said it himself that the Penn camp is in no way discrediting GSP for the win, but instead are arguing that in future fights substances such as vasoline be applied only to a fighters face. KHON 2 also got an exclusive interview with Penn and he stated that he’s unsure if he will now retire, or continue fighting. He went on to say that he’s given the UFC nearly ten years of his life. He wants to just go home and spend time with his daughter. He nor the Penn camp ever discredited GSP’s win. The file they made to the NSAC was so they could be informed what was being rubbed on the back and shoulders of GSP. It’s funny how when people lose a fight, we only get to hear on side of the story. A story that will eventaully get 200 posts on this thread.

Leave it to Penn to start excuses(wether his camp claims they are or not.. they are!). GSP was toweled off when the vasoline was applied. Enough said.

Penn, you got owned, get over it. Your still a very talented fighter, you just need to stay at 155. This is making you look bad.

LOL, that scared the crap out of me there “witchcraft” lool, I knew it was some kind of massage though, probably trying to massage one of the meridian points

Give it up!! BJ you were dominated for gods sake.. you never even had GSP in a spot where being greased up would have mattered.

BJ is being a bitch now, he better admit to Georges being the better fighter, and shut his mouth.

Bottom line is they should have complained during the bout and the ref could have checked it out. It wouldn’t have any effect on BJ’s stand up and his lack of good stand up cost him the bout.

I was hoping BJ would win. With that being said I didn’t even notice when it had happened, and if it was an issue during the fight Penn or someone in his camp should have said something. This is just making them look like sore losers with the formal complaint and everything. GSP worked BJ and won fair and square. Get over it Team Penn.

You know what? I didn’t mean to shoot her in the back of the head. I’m serious. I was just giving her a back massage, while holding a loaded 9MM with my finger on the trigger. The gun just went off, I mean come on. You understand right?

One thing is for sure…

If BJ doesn’t stop this bullshit, he is going to be hated by MMA fans including huge fans (like me).

He needs to come out and admit defeat graciously…Now.

If using a little vaseline is cheating…what about those guys who use tape and knee braces to help with traction…isn’t that cheating?!?

2 things:
1. Everyone BJ fights is a cheater for some reason – steroids, vaseline, (add convenient excuse here, win or lose), or a quitter.

BJ is a puss, a whiner and a loser who can’t handle the truth that he’s not the greatest of all time (like Dana White has been blowing up his hole for years).

2. THE NSAC WIPED GSP DOWN BEFORE HE WENT BACK IN FOR THE NEXT ROUND WHEN THEY SAW WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS AN INFRACTION. The state athletic commission inspector cleaned off GSP’s back before any vaseline on his back before it would ever have been a factor. If you read their comments, it says they saw it, they cleaned him and sent him out for the round- does BJ mean to suggest that GSP, the entire Jackson camp AND the state of Nevada were all in cahoots to screw him out of the title?

This whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. Typical BJ, and one more reason I won’t ever cheer for the rich, spoiled, mean-spirited attention vacuum.

the only thing i could see was that his gogoplata slipped off pretty easily during gsp’s first take down. this move does involve the back of the opponents shoulders but gsp beat him in the stand up also.

the vaseline thing is about breathing tons of football player does it! no big deal.. im glad this fight is out of the way i got sick of hearing that only a handful of times in our lives we would see matchups like this, that’s gonna happen about 40 more times the way the UFC hypes their fights..

A win is a Win… and that’s it…. if bj’s camp don’t want to believe that their little puppy >(bj) did not get the W against the Lion Gsp, well, that’s their problem. the whole world knew from 1st round up to the 4th round that GSP dominated puppy penn. .. bj’s camp should accept the fact that they are not capable of fighting and gsp.. don’t make Vaseline As an excuse!!!! c’mon!! be a sport !!!! God bless GSP! alves is next…

Against Hughes it was the ribs…

1st fight against GSP the judges…

now, the vaseline…

Poor BJ.

This shit has gone way too far. Seriously, I’ve seen other occasions when the cornerman putting vaseline on the face also gives his fighter a little bit of a rub.

The facts of the matter are, BJ got owned plain and simple!!!! This was not a lucky win BJ was never in control or in a dominate position so Vaseline or not BJ got his ass kicked. File a complaint BJ and beg for a rematch, YOU DONT WANT ANYMORE OF GEORGE MAN!!!! Even you know when you are beat, hence quiting between 4-5.

Wow!! Can someone please wash the sand out of BJ and Obama bin retards vagina? Stupid excuses like GSP was lubed up just makes BJ look, well stupid. Take your beating like a man and own up to it. GSP was the beater fighter that night and any other night for that matter. This type of garbage is exactlyl ehy I’ve never liked BJ Penn. He never takes responsibility for his actions just like most of this country anymore, a bunch of whiners that blame everyone else for their loses. What a freaking TURD!!!

In the first fight, BJ jammed his finger into GSP’s eyes. Afterward, GSP said he was seeing double and was really scared but he dug in, came up with another game plan, executed it, and won.

In this fight, BJ get dominated for 4 rounds. Gets torn up on his feet. Gets beat up on the ground, taken down at will, was controlled the whole fight and it is because of vaseline on the back?

Give me a break.

I feel confident in saying that GSP would do a better job at moving up a weight division than BJ did. Like Rogan said even if BJ was a natural solid 170lbs, it might not have made a difference. GSP is just straight up better than BJ.

HA its funny, I had a feeling if BJ lost there would some kind of controversy and its over f-ing vasoline

Greasy St. Pierre. That’s a good one.

I’d like to see him move down and fight BJ at 155.

whatever I haven’t seen or heard of abuse like that since the book of Job.

Typical B.J. Penn B.s. Just take the loss dude, you got schooled. The vaseline was probably for your a** cuz you got f***** hard!!!

This whole argument is just ridiculous. Vaseline on GSP’s back?? Are these people serious Here’s a question…..let’s say you have to pick a spot on GSP’s body to put vaseline, and the objective is to pick a spot where the vaseline has the the lowest or smallest chance of touching BJ Penn, where would you choose??? GSP’s “back” is about the only part of his body that BJ never touched, or even saw for that matter………this was total and complete domination. This guys has made a total jackass out of himself, i can only hope that this new issue is more a creation of the media rather than from BJ.

I’m glad that BJ has finally been exposed as the most overrated fighter ever. The fact that this guy has even been considered in conversations around the best “pound for pound” fighter is a joke. What has BJ really done?? Yes, he’s flexible. he’s very flexible, probably more flexible than anyone else in the UFC, but what has it done for him, besides earning him a 13-5 record? Stephan Bonnar has a 13-5 record for christ’s sake. Who has BJ beaten that makes him so great Sean Sherk? Joe Stevenson? His nickname “The Prodigy” has proven the fact that effective Marketing can take you a long way. I know there are still a shitload of BJ fans out there…why i have no idea, but your boy has been exposed. KenFlo and Diego are both going to dominate BJ. I wonder if either of them are worried that BJ is preparing with UFC superstars like Troy Mandaloniz?? I wonder if BJ will be telling those guys to go to their room, lie in their bed for about 30 minutes, and then go “fvck themselves.”

Didnt Florian say the same thing after his fight with Huerta?
Huerta is from the same camp!

I love how Valentino (BJ’s trainer) is saying Penn couldn’t guard GSP because he was too slipperey. How convenient after the fact, might be more credible if they had raised the point during the fight. And in the same breath he says he’s not trying to tarnish the win. GSP passed the guard of a gassed BJ Penn (suprise suprise) and that’s all there is to it. If it is proven that he indeed made it out of his corner with grease, and that grease was indeed a significant factor in the fight then i’ll change my tune but as it stands now it’s just something convenient for BJ and his posse to cling to. A way of diminishing the fact that he got his ass handed to him by a superior fighter.

WoW! D.White is pretty serious abou this Vas thing . . .Wonder if it will go anywhere. At bjPenn . com you can see the footage of what happened in full, the corner man went from face to shoulders to chest to upperback, it was noticed by the nsac right away and i guess they are taking it pretty seriously as well as D.White, most likely outcom if any, Kru Phil Nurse will lose his lisense, not much more than that for all you "GSP cheater" hopefuls and "no contest" wanters… Doubtful.

The nsac even "went up there and started screaming at the cornermen and GSP, knocked the vas down and kicked it out of the octagon!" . . . No good, no?

And Jackson appologized to Valentino after the fight for the inncidnt . . .WHY do that if it was just a "ritual they do every fight"??? And "every fight" huh, wierd no one noticed it til now, proably cause its a first therfor making it NOT "a ritual" . . .

They should fight again and BJ should be allowed to cover his legs with crazy glue. Same result me thinks.

in pride fighting championships ricardo arona used to get massaged in between rounds during his fights with wanderlei silva as did wanderlei to.. its a technique that the best fighters use im assuming.

BJ Penn needs to do less vacationing, less $hit talking and more traing for his next fight!