Greasy like Sunday morning: Lowering the flame on the 'St. Pierre vs Penn' aftermath

i read that going into this fight bj wanted to win and then retire and he is still thinking about retiring

vaseline wasnt the reason BJ got beaten to a pulp

BJ got beat by a little “B*tch” in his own words. Let his head shrink back down to 155 size. At least fitch survived 5 rounds and didn’t quit like a… well like a little B*tch.

Poor Bj hope he can get back and dominate the Lightweight division. Welterweight is just not right for him.

I’m hoping that my fellow fans and journalists will ease off the lightweight champ because these are very fresh wounds

what a load of rubbish bj talked the talk and then got smashed. simple as. if he was so proud of a man he would get back on track and train harder and get back to kicking arse

I definatley don’t want to see BJ retire, I think there’s still some great fights at 155, Ken Flo and then Sanchez if he gets past Stevenson (and I’m pretty sure he will). I hope he doesn’t make any rash decisions, but imo if BJ does “retire” we’ll see him back in a year or two.

Like I said on a previous thread, JD Penn and BJ both said on KHON2 News in Hawaii that they are in no way discrediting GSP for his loss. It’s painful for me to say, but GSP is the stronger fighter and was excellent that night. However, the Penn camp and us fans deserve to know what was being rubbed on GSP’s shoulders and back. If it was truly nothing, than GSP camp should have nothing to worry about. JD Penn made it clear they are/will file a notice to the NSAC because they feel that should that situation arise again in another fight, things will get taken care of properly. Penn and his camp have every right to know what was going on. Again GSP fought an amazing fight that night and in no way should he be discredited for the win if everything they did was legit. BJ Penn still is and always be my favorite fighter.BJ

ahahaha, is penn serious with this shit. "take 20 to 30 min and then go fuck yourself, im going to crush gsp its all about tech" any of that sound familiar. fuck bj maybe if he were commited to training and didnt go on little bullshit vacations or actually used weights he wouldnt have gotten demolished like that. im so happy that gsp destroyed him. forget what he said about tappin from strikes makes u a bitch, if you quit between rounds that makes you a huuuuge bitch, he has no buisness fightn at 170. and theres a youtube video of him attempting to use weights and he is a grunter, there is nothing worse than a tool in the weight room who grunts. if your gonna talk sooo much shit atleast damage your opponent a little. what a tool and while im on the subject of scrubs fuck shogun he is soooo bad, its called cardio workouts that lazy fuck, shoulda lost to a 45+ man that is sooooo weak.

bj is such a lil bitch he wants to retire after losing? I just hate the fact that he has such a big mouth and lost. he belongs @ 155. fight florian and see what happens after.i hope he doesn’t retire and let his fans down. I like him but he shouldn’t talk so much shit.

Guys forget about the grease or any other excuse. BJ got manhandles in the stand up and on the ground. GSP is proving what an athlete can do in the rin when they are properly trained and in amazing shape. He is the most dominate fighter right now and I would pay to see him against anyone. His last few fights have been so one sided it is amazing. No one can even take a round off of this guy. Most of the rounds should be 10-8 also. It amazes me that BJ and DJ would say we are not taking away from it, but we think he cheated. BJ got his ass handed to him and should just say that. Grease come on. Just like Jackson said, all of those cameras and we are going to grease him up. BJ in no way wants a rematch there.

Favorite BJ quote “If he thought Jon Fitch was the Terminator, he will think I am God”. WOW, off by just a little bit.

BJ got tooled and it sucks. Yesterday, I when I got in the shower I felt like I was taking a “rape shower” trying to wash the bad feeling away. I can’t believe he got beat so badly. Is GSP just really that good? It seems like it. I really think Alves has a shot though, if he could stuff Koscheck’s TD’s he may have a chance to stuff GSP’s and get a KO. :)

As far as the grease, I have a couple questions. If it is not GSP’s fault, then why didn’t he tell the dude to stop, he is a professional and has to be held accountable for what someone is doing to his body, right? Also, if it really contributed to GSP passing so easily, why wasn’t BJ screaming that GSP was greased during the fight?

I really hope BJ doesn’t retire. The BEST way for him to get rid of the sting of this defeat is to get back in there and give Kenny the bloodiest beating of his life. BJ BJ BJ!!!

BJ and his camp need to worry more about a much improved and focused Kenflo that yes, finishes fights.

Jesse,
There are many reasons people have been laying it on BJ since the loss – the most telling from what I gather is due to the trash talking beforehand and the total (and I mean TOTAL) lack of bringing it when it counted. If BJ expects fans to lay off after his ramblings, he better grab another rock and head back for more anaerobics.

Now, I have the utmost respect for BJ (I realize it is hard to tell right now) and he is truly a gifted 155lb fighter, but you shouldn’t dish out what you can’t take.

If he is looking for some solice in the diaper department, he may have not learned anything.

Basically: “Take it easy on BJ right now… he’s emotionally weak after a loss….”

Whatever. The guy talks more crap than 99% and now he gets to eat his own words in a HUGE way. He lost. He was dominated. He threw in the towel and didn’t finish the fight.

For all the shit he talked leading up to GSP, I hope he does feel like a bitch now! If he gets anything out of this maybe he’ll learn a lesson and shut his pie hole.

Not out of my system yet:

BJ talked way too much shit, got way too personal, and deserves every bit of critisism for what happened on Sat. He got DESTROYED, he couldn’t even make it out for the 5th. What a b-i-t-c-h!!! He is a great LW and should never even try to fight a WW again. The Vaseline thing is a joke, how would BJ even know if GSP’s back was slippery when he spent the entire night on HIS back getting his big fat pumpkin head pounded in!?

Ok, now it’s out of my system….whew.

Now let’s see some real competition for the WW champ – GSP v AS.

Whatever. He’ll still be GSP, just “Greasemonkey” St. Pierre. Cheater.

This fight might have been the biggest letdown of any fight in UFC history whether people want to admit it or not.
So much hype about it being the biggest fight ever and people believed it all based on the 1st round BJ won at their first fight nearly three years ago and instead of a great fight you had complete one-sided contest. Not to mention the rest of the card was a decision fest. Not one prelim was aired because the fights all went the distance on the undercard and the first three of the PPV.
Just about everyone was calling this a great card and bashing 93 and 93 was a lot better than this bullshit. Even the Guida/Diaz fight that was fight of the night I thought sucked.
At least now people will bury the bullshit about BJ being the best P4P fighter in the world he’s fucking 13 and 5 a good record yes but not the best fighter in the world.

BJ Penn is a douchebag.

I want him to keep fighting so I can watch him get punched in the face some more.

I hope his self-esteem is at all time low. His ego deserves a nice butt-kicking.

Modesty would go a long way for BJ, but, that’s not how he rolls. It’s “be a douchebag or be nothing at all.”

Why are all you people still hating on BJ? He is just one of those guys that talks to hype himself up. He did the same with Jens and after that was over he was completely gracious and showed respect. He already said GSP was the better fighter. They have a right to know what was being rubbed on GSP’s back. All you would do the same if that was your fight. So drop it. BJ is a legend and will probably win a few more fights at 155 and call it a day. Florian and Sanchez is all that is left and sorry, but neither of them will beat a focused BJ.

I wanted BJ to win with my heart, but I knew the strength & conditioning game had passed him up. Guys cut massive weight now down to a class. GSP who could easily fight at 185 fights at 170.

What ,I notice gsp looked scared when penn try to put him on his back if alves can take him down i think gsp will lose this fight

BJ wasnt the one who started the Greasing comments. The NSAC went to GSPs corner and made them wipeoff the vaseline the rubbed all over him inbetween rounds. A fan pointed it out to them not BJ Penn.

Penn is not as good as GSP and is below GSP…now lets all move on and stop talking about this grease thing that had nothing to do with the outcome of the fight..especially since the vaseline was taken off before he went back inside the cage.

Penn sucks-> compared to gsp…i hope they do a third fight so that PEnn get his ass kicked again by GSP

GSP won the fight fair and square but GSP has become that wrestling guy the lay’s and prays on the guy. can’t blame him the name of the game is to win but I dont think we will see anymore exciting fights from him unless the other guy has good takedown defense or they could stand up once he takes them down. Thiago Alves just forgo all your training and go to wrestling camps avoid the takedown or you will get GnP. He has great hip control on his guys once they are at the bottom but the last time I saw GSP stand with a guy he was tapping to Matt Serra.

pierres witch doctor put a spell on BJ
Witch!! Burn him!!!

if gsp fights a guy that can take him down he is done. i say let him move up and fight demian maia

“…or Fighter X (let’s call him ‘Georges’ for the sake of argument) was cheating.”

Tell us how you really feel !
X2!

florian will destroy penn.

ahahaha, is penn serious with this shit. "take 20 to 30 min and then go fuck yourself, im going to crush gsp its all about tech" any of that sound familiar. fuck bj maybe if he were commited to training and didnt go on little bullshit vacations or actually used weights he wouldnt have gotten demolished like that. im so happy that gsp destroyed him. forget what he said about tappin from strikes makes u a bitch, if you quit between rounds that makes you a huuuuge bitch, he has no buisness fightn at 170. and theres a youtube video of him attempting to use weights and he is a grunter, there is nothing worse than a tool in the weight room who grunts. if your gonna talk sooo much shit atleast damage your opponent a little. what a tool and while im on the subject of scrubs fuck shogun he is soooo bad, its called cardio workouts that lazy fuck, shoulda lost to a 45+ man that is sooooo weak.

“I’m hoping that my fellow fans and journalists will ease off the lightweight champ because these are very fresh wounds.”

Sorry Jesse, but I can’t do that. Not one time did St. Pierre talk shit. Not once. Yet BJ not only talked shit, but got really, REALLY personal, calling GSP a quitter (Ahhh…we know who’s the quitter now) and his trainer do go fuck himself.

C’mon…BJ deserves all the criticism in the world. Had he been a true sportsman like St. Pierre, no one would say anything.

BJ is just like Tito. He loves to TALK…and that’s about it. I hope KenFlo whoops him into retirement.

If he thinks GSP cheated,
why is he considering retirement now ?!

Give him KOS again, his striking is very much improved wrestling as good as his. I know GSP beat him once with wrestilng I think he just surprised him that day. Nobody knew he had that good wrestling.

I don’t think BJs ego has taken as much of a beating as many have said. I think BJ knew what was coming to him long before he stepped into the ring. Remember the final Prime Time scene? His whole demeanor and words said it all – he picked a good fight AND he just wanted to do it. Look at him, almost at the point of tears. There’s no postive prediction there. GSP was right; BJs shit slinging was a projection of BJ own shortcomings. Plus the fact that he believed the 1st fight was actully close. Did it never occur to him that he may not be able to poke GSP in the eye this time. In short, BJ got his just desserts, but he KNEW it was coming. As for retiring, I think not. He is simply too good and dominant in the LW division.

Or if he takes down Dustin Hazelett he may make a highlight reel out of GSP.

I think that the allegation are completely irrelevant and a bitch move.

First, so what if the vaseline in his back? Did anyone else see this fight? BJ was on his back getting hammered, eyes closed, with an OPEN GUARD! GSP didn’t need to be greased to get through it. I’m going to assume that we all know that once you get a knee or an elbow into the inner leg that you can pop open any guard and pass it.

Second, GSP didn’t pass BJ’s guard that much. GSP was still pounding on BJ from WITHIN the guard! How many times have you seen a guy get his ass beat within his own guard?

Finally, it is irrelevant because IMHO BJ Penn was knocked out cold in the end of Round two while GSP was in his guard. Don’t believe me, look at the tape and his eyes and movement. BJ didn’t open his eyes and didn’t move. He was out cold!

BJ can bitch all he likes about the alleged vaseiline rubbing (sounds gay doesn’t it), but if that’s true then GSP should have every right to complaint that the fight should have been called in round two.

I think that gsp should fight at mw he looks to big for those ww give him maia please

I think your delusional hk, kos couldn’t take down alves and hughes took alves down in the first round. Kos has NOTHING on gsp and gsp would finish him in a title fight.

I can’t wait for KenFlo to destroy BJ. End his career…

gsp is like rashad to me just smaller

bj will beat kenflo sorry

GSP was definately not getting ready to “bake cookies on his back.” If he were, nobody on Earth would be able to stop BJ from taking his back. By the looks of him, you’d need an army to keep BJ away from cookies.

witchcraft!!!!!!

florian will destroy penn, n that chubby little coconut head will retire.

ahahaha, is penn serious with this shit. "take 20 to 30 min and then go fuck yourself, im going to crush gsp its all about tech" any of that sound familiar. fuck bj maybe if he were commited to training and didnt go on little bullshit vacations or actually used weights he wouldnt have gotten demolished like that. im so happy that gsp destroyed him. forget what he said about tappin from strikes makes u a bitch, if you quit between rounds that makes you a huuuuge bitch, he has no buisness fightn at 170. and theres a youtube video of him attempting to use weights and he is a grunter, there is nothing worse than a tool in the weight room who grunts. if your gonna talk sooo much shit atleast damage your opponent a little. what a tool and while im on the subject of scrubs fuck shogun he is soooo bad, its called cardio workouts that lazy fuck, shoulda lost to a 45+ man that is sooooo weak.

BJ “I ate crow” Penn.

yeah, let’s lay off “poor bj” for having a mouth like a toilet, lacking the ability to back up his talk, and for having to swallow that toilet water afterward.

this article is mind numbingly stupid.

there was a huge loser in this fight…let’s call him “bj”…

BJ Penn is a sucker sore loser..LOL Im so glad he got his ass BEAT!! Hey BJ you may want to take some advice you gave to George before the match…..I hope you went hope layed on your bet and thought about your losss…then FUCKED YOURSELF!!! LOL Go retire you Fking LOSER!!!!!

Those oil based steroids make you greasy. That wasn’t vaseline, it was testosterone.

im gonna not stop ,im gonna kill u georges??
eat sum crow coconut kid

penn/canadian for im a bitch

has anyone heard of team wat??? and thai massage?

OK heres my taqke on this:

How do you call that an accident? How is it not a problem? If GSP’s corner DID cheat, and I’m not necessarily saying that they did, then they shouldn’t be allowed to get off scott-free just because it was found and wiped off. Thats like saying that Hermes Franca or Chris Leben didn’t cheat when they got caught using steroids just because they didn’t win. Win or lose, cheating is still cheating. I am absolutely positive that GSP is an honorable champion, a class act and not a cheater, but that doesn’t mean his corner is. I don’t consider Rashad Evans a classy guy or an honorable champion. The camp is under just as much pressure as the fighter is when the competition is at the highest level. They may very well be willing to bend the rules.

Hypothetically speaking, lets say that GSP’s cornermen saw that BJ was using the rubber guard very nicely in the 2nd round, after GSP was finally able to get the TD…maybe one of them decided that because BJ’s jiujitsu and rubber guard are so damn good, that theyll help him slide through his guard a little bit. Before you tell me I’m making excuses, remember that I said HYPOTHETICALLY.

I honestly don’t think the vaseline was the reason that GSP won. I don’t think BJ was all there. I also don’t think that BJ would have won even if he had been all there. I do think he would have put on a better fight if he had been. Anyway, for whatever reason, he didn’t fight like himself.

Bottom line, everyone was expecting a good competitive fight that would elevate the sport to new levels. It didn’t happen. It didn;t even come close. I don’t think GSP is THAT much better than BJ Penn. If GSP having extra vaseline on his back because his corner man either cheated or was incredibly careless was the reason that this fight wasn’t as entertaining as it should have been, I can say with certainty, that as fans we were all ripped off. I think fans of both sides would agree with that.

I had a very well structured and convincing post about the “size” thing, and the “vaseline” thing, and the “trash talking” thing, and the “excuses” thing, which would’ve sent all you BJ fans to the hospital.

But, thinking about GSP, I decided to take the high road.

So, I will say that I hope BJ Penn recovers well and I wish him the best of luck in the future. I wish the same to all of you BJ Penn fans.

Adam G if you are reading this…i totally know how you felt after the main event saturday night…i was so pumped that my boy won and now…i feel so let down and almost dirty. i 100% believe that GSP had nothing at all to do with this vas incident…but i am also thinking that he was greased up. but i think it was his corner “helping him out” cause they wanted to see him win so badly. i know in my heart that GSP would never cheat. regardless if the grease had any bearing on the fight…its still tainted in my mind. much respect to you adam, even though i hate BJ with a passion i can say that he is a great fighter and will go down in history, and i also respect your comments on this site more than any others.

BJ Penn is overrated and probably loses to K Flo.

Kenny Florian finishes fights!

two half naked guys grappling..with vaseline…SOO GAY!!! lol

(( AdamG )) When are you giong to post as GSPisthegreatest for the next month ????

I hate to say this, but, I’m kinda enjoying the crow that BJ is eating. I am not the kind of person that likes to revel in someone else’s problems, but I think what’s getting to me, and I would venture a guess is getting to others as well, is that BJ IS that kinda guy. He really has a shown a tendency to be a bully, and rub things in people’s faces, but then make excuses when he loses. He never really learned the hard way, so this is a natural part of karma, and the natural teaching process. When you dish it out, you have to take it. BJ crossed the line and got personal, and now he needs to show his face and take responsibility.

He doesn’t have to, of course, but he does if he wants to be taken seriously. BJ has a chance to come out of this a MUCH better human being, which is more important than fighting. I think he has it in him, if he can put his pride aside. let’s see what he does.

What I don’t understand about all this brouhaha is that the NSAC inspector SAW what was happening, actually ENTERED the ring, wiped GSP down to get rid of any illegal lubricants, checked to see he was meeting the rules to go back out, gave GSP the all clear and sent him on his way.

GSP didn’t pull a fast one for four rounds. The inspector saw it the first time it went down, he called GSP and his corner on it, made sure there was no unfair advantage, and monitored it for the rest of the fight to make sure nothing happened again, and it didn’t.

BJ, in typical BJ style, is trying to make it sound like GSP had a tub of vaseline caked on the entirety of his back and did it blatantly to gain an unfair advantage. Everyone BJ fight is a cheater and he’s the only honest fighter left out there…

I watched the fight and saw nothing that led me to believe the corner was lubing GSP up. I watched some footage of between rounds stuff, and his corner guy has done the same thing TONS of time without it being an issue.

Bottom line, BJ has some SERIOUS humble pie to eat. His heart, his training, his coaching, his technique, his cardio, his attitude- it’s all subject to very serious scrutiny in the wake of the worst beating he’s ever taken, and it’s subject because he was so adamant that he was going to blow GSP away like it was nothing.

He’s got a full blown crisis on his hands, because everyone SHOULD be asking the hard questions about and to a man who legitimately is considered perhaps the most naturally gifted fighter in MMA who laid a gargantuan egg in the most important fight he’s ever had.

BJ Penn is emotionally fragile? People should take it easy on the guy? He boiled the water, and now he has to stew in it. Adam, the guy lives to point fingers and sling accusations and innuendo at anyone that he can use to make himself bigger with. He’s GOT to live with the spotlight shining on the glaring holes in his approach to fighting that were exposed by a fighter who wasn’t just bigger- he clearly wanted it bad enough to train at a higher level than before. BJ surrounded himself with Rude Boy and Justin McCully. A world class team? Pshaw….

If he thinks a long and unblemished reign over the LW division is his divine right, I invite BJ to carry the identical training regimen into his defense against KenFlo and see how things turn out, because Kenny might weigh 25 pounds less than GSP, but he’s never stopped growing as a fighter, and BJ is finding out how little distance there is between him and the competition since he’s been willing to stand still and not get better.

BJ might be better off staying at home in Hilo where everyone thinks his crap doesn’t stink…

Actually, he caught him after he already did it:

The perceptions may vary, but the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission – the sanctioning body that maintains authority over UFC 94 – confirmed that there is an issue at hand that is based in fact.

"After the first round ended, the fighters are getting ready for round two. One inspector noticed a (St. Pierre) cornerman, Phil Nurse, putting Vaseline on George’s face, then kind of rubbed him down a bit, which would be okay if he was clean," asserted Keith Kizer.

Such an impropriety immediately raised red flags and put him on full alert, especially with this mega-fight occurring just one week after another wave of doctoring controversy had crashed over the Antonio Margarito vs. Shane Mosely boxing match in California. Margarito was suspended and ordered to attend a hearing due to a foreign substance found in his hand wraps on the night of the fight.

"After round two, I watched him like a hawk," said Kizer. "I’ve only entered the ring maybe three or four times (in my career) during a fight, but I did this time.

2nd time:

The perceptions may vary, but the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission – the sanctioning body that maintains authority over UFC 94 – confirmed that there is an issue at hand that is based in fact.

"After the first round ended, the fighters are getting ready for round two. One inspector noticed a (St. Pierre) cornerman, Phil Nurse, putting Vaseline on George’s face, then kind of rubbed him down a bit, which would be okay if he was clean," asserted Keith Kizer.

Such an impropriety immediately raised red flags and put him on full alert, especially with this mega-fight occurring just one week after another wave of doctoring controversy had crashed over the Antonio Margarito vs. Shane Mosely boxing match in California. Margarito was suspended and ordered to attend a hearing due to a foreign substance found in his hand wraps on the night of the fight.

"After round two, I watched him like a hawk," said Kizer. "I’ve only entered the ring maybe three or four times (in my career) during a fight, but I did this time.

BJ is one of my all time favorite fighters and still is… but cant take anything away from GSP he won that fight and regardless of the vasaline being applied i still think GSP would of still taken it.. ( so hard to admit that )= ) but with that being said i hope Thaigo Alves knocks the living hell out of GSP!!!!

WAR BJ!!!!!

Someone tape Penns’ mouth shut, or better yet give him a coconut. The fat bitch is already probably up to 200 lbs.

BJ penn looked like an assclown out there!

fuck BJ. GSP served his ass proper. I hope kenflo retires him for good.

So, is Greasy going to fight Silva now?

After the first round it looked like a possibility for complaint but even if there was “greasegate” I am not sure if BJ could hold GSP with his legs. GSP has upper and lower body strength that exceeds anyone in the 170 lbs division. Also security is clearly wiping GSP down with a towel during the 2nd & 3rd intermissions. I kinda hope BJ, JD and the little blow jobs go back to Hilo rest for 30 minutes and go F%$^& themselves..

now this is a classy article. this is the reason why i love coming into this site and reading the articles, unlike some others who, when they hear a rumor(true or false rumors), jump all over them and file it under “news”. the thing about this site is that they actually care about the fighters and fans both, they dont come in here and type up a long ass article full of hate, then get angry if someone calls them out on it. if u cant tell, i was a victim of this complaint ( i use to blog in another site and just the other day i went in and read this shitty article that was all about calling bj a shit talker, a disapointment, that because of him this dude,the writer, had to do something he didnt like cause he lost the bet. after i read it i jumped on in and left my comment, not a bad none, but i guess the dude didnt like being called out and got me banned. i would like to ask some of these real writers if that sounds cool? if u write an article about a fighter, knowing he has tons of loyal fans, full of shit talking ur not gonna think u r about to get an earfull of shit? why would u put it out there in the first place? o well i guess nowadays anyone can be a prestigious writer.

Has anyone noticed how much gsp sweats while he trains? In primetime he took off his boxing head gear and sweat poured off him face, gsp seems to be a sweaty guy who really exerts himself while traing and fighting.

IMO if anyone thinks this incident affected the fight sounds like sour grapes to me, gsp beat down penn very convincingly and if a tiny amount of vaseline wasn’t applied to his back nothing would have changed. Sweat makes you slipper I really don’t see what that had to do with gsp taking penn down passing his guard holding him down and pounding him, or getting the better of the stand up exchanges.

Penn fans take the high road, penn got his ass kicked plain and simple, the whole vaseline thing is rediculous and totally blown out of proportion. IMO it was an obvious accident, but if illegal they should get a warning and if it happens again fined.

Whether something is done by stupidity or on purpose they should have seperate people applying grease to the eyebrowns and the guy who touches his body should have no part in it. Gsp puts on the best fight of his life and because his corner man does something stupid its tainted, they shouldn’t allow that guy in the ring again or forbid him from using vasoline on fighters.

I believe that GSP would fight him again as an honorable way to get past all this BS. I do not think, however, that BJ wants anything to do with GSP anymore. If BJ’s camp does take it to the commission, they should automatically have a rematch no questions asked.

The bottom line is, they call him BJ for a reason. He his a known fag in hawaii.