Jamie Varner WEC win against Donald Cerrone bittersweet

When Cowboy was bleeding around both eyes…he kept fighting. Varner was getting worked that last round got grazed….and quit. GREAT fight before that. Cerrone is a BEAST

by krusty on Jan 26, 2009 9:50 AM EST reply actions

Varner’s actions disrespected his opponent, himself and most of all the sport. Hopefully WEC promotes Cerrone to the UFC just on principle alone. Whether he would’ve won or not, he showed he’s an honorable competitor and his comments afterward did as well. I would’ve been furious in that situation but he handled it all with class.

by No1Dad on Jan 26, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions

Varner had NOTHING left, saw a way out of the fight and took it… he is a punk. Great fight for 4 rounds, then Varner quit.

by ---Caesar--- on Jan 26, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions

I don’t disagree that Varner was acting but the bottom line is, he was in fact hit with a knee when he was with 3 points of contact on the mat. That an illegal knee. I wanted cowboy to win but if I was in Varner’s corner and he said he wasn’t feeling 100% to go back after that I woulda told him to stay down too. Say he gets up and he’s even a little dizzy from an illegal knee to the head and he gets caught 3 good times the rest of the round…. Round 5 goes to Cowboy and he wins the fight on 2 cards.

by Sp00ner1234 on Jan 26, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions

Two judges had the fight scored 49 – 46 for Varner. The only round they gave Cowboy was round 5. Even if round wasn’t already given to Cowboy by neither of those judges and they gave him like round 2 or something, winning the 5th round would still make it 48-47 for Varner on those two cards. The judge that had 48-47 for Cowboy was on CRACK – he only won the 5th round, and one of the rounds could have ‘possibly’ gone either way, but 85% of people probably gave the round to Varner, including myself, who was rooting for Cowboy.

Varner’s excuse – “I broke my hand in the 2nd round and now I can’t see that good”. Cerrone says “I haven’t been able to see for the last two rounds”. In fact, he was seeing double for a couple of rounds. Prior to the fight, Cowboy had referred to Varner as “Little Ass”. After this fight, he should refer to him as “Little Testicals”.

by ViolentMike on Jan 26, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions

In defense of the “crack” judge. He must have been thinking Cerrone has octagan control and agression every round, and he must have been a big fan of BJJ. I personally think Varner’s G&P was more effective than Cerrones BJJ, but I’ll have to watch it again with the sound off (just to make sure I wasn’t swayed by the commentating).

by Victory is Ours on Jan 26, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions

Fucking tivo stopped recording in the middle of round 2 of the Varner-Cerrone fight.

by PW on Jan 26, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions

ALWAYS set the DVR to record at least 1/2 hour later than the program ends. This time it happened because the NHL all star game went into OT and then shootout. But in the past WEC and UFC events have run past the alotted time when on free TV.

by ViolentMike on Jan 26, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

by “program” I should have been more specific and said “WEC Events” or free LIVE UFC events on Spike"

by ViolentMike on Jan 26, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions

Big difference between not being able to see from getting punched in the face and not being able to see from an illegal knee to the temple.

by wAyNe on Jan 26, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions

MONDAY MORNING CONVERSATION***
Varner wanted out of the fight, and IMO acted kinda lame at the end! If he didn’t want it to end like that, don’t say you can’t see!
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AFFLICTION: I didn’t come on here sunday, so I want to give my affliction thoughts! What a great show! I really liked the watching the under card fights before the PPV as opposed to getting filler fights to take up 3 hours on PPV. I loved the fact that there was a ton of grappling on sat. night as well as submissions! I would have to say that there was more BJJ on sat then all of last year in the UFC! I’m a BJJ purist/enthusiast, and have seen the UFC turn into K-1 over time (with few exceptions). Babalu choking out Soku was wonderful, one because I’ve always been a Babalu fan and two because I’ve been saying for months that Sou is overrated! Vitor looked phenomenal! Fedor…what more do I have to say? All you guys saying lucky punch, you’re morons! If I swing at you, and connect, please explain what else I was trying to do. Never-mind the baddest man on the planet! Was AA doing well, yes! But then Fedor knocked him out, period!
Of course there were a few things I thought needed work! Tito Ortiz and his butchering of the english language was not only horrible, but embarrassing! For a self proclaimed smart guy, his speaking skills are about as evident as shoguns cardio skills! Also I get the concept, I’m not naive, but Lauzon isn’t a top 10 LW, Babalu isn’t the best LHW and Vitor, who is injury prone and has one fight at mw, isn’t ready for Silva, but I think it would be a great fight down the line!
All the talk of Barnett/Fedor next, I don’t get it! Barnett mounted a guy with as much ground game as Houston Alexander, and ate more punches on top and did nothing with it! He has zero chance of beating Fedor and the match up doesn’t interest me at all!
Tito/Babalu would be good, but I would watch Tito/Fedor!
Overall, the affliction event was better than most of the UFC events last year (with a few exceptions), and I for one would like another show! I would also like Dana White to put the prelims on spike prior to ppv’s!

by kevin on Jan 26, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions

one last thing. Fedor not only has his rights, he’s making more than everyone, and the comflict of interest is another thing I’d change! When Dana became UFC president, he was managing tito and chuck! he had to stop due to his ownership/president. millen, finlestein etc, at the end and pre fight, hanging from Fedor’s nuts, leaves the illusion of worked fights, not to me, I know Fedor won, but the conflict of interest is there!

by kevin on Jan 26, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions

Kev, if you “loved” Tito’s announcing so much, you must have really loved that back stage interviewer with the scratchiest voice I’ve ever heard. What stage of throat cancer is he at and why is he have a mirophone??

I kept picturing that TRUTH commercial, but with his voice singing it – “You don’t always die from tobacco. Sometimes you might just lose a lung.”

As for the Fedor fight, I said ALOT about it over the weekend and don’t really have time to retype, if you want to check it out, it is in the recap thread, the Vitor vs Anderson thread, and the thread either immediatly above or below that one. Just do “control” + “F” and type “viole” and you’ll see my insight and thoughts.

In all, 100 times better than the first show. No more dark, gloomy feel to the production…. Man, now its almost lunch time!

Also, I am with you on Barnett. He had Yvel mounted for like 11 minutes and finished him with seconds remainning in the fight. (COULD have been stopped at very end of the 1st but Gilbert is a tough veteran and got the benefit of the doubt). Brock was also mentioned in a thread about Barnett, and at time time, I think I was the only one saying that I would bet on Brock in that fight if the same Barnett that fought Yvel showed up. Barnett relies on a few things (his strenths) in his fights. Size and strength being the two most, and Brock will be bigger and stronger and in better shape. Barnett’s advantage is the technical striking (but Brock has that vicious 1 punch KO power) and he has the edge in subs. If Barnett had Brock mounted like he had Yvel, Brock would have just muscled his way out from under him, put Barnett on his back, and pounded him out. I mean, SERIOUSLY, WHO has Barnett fought that is bigger and stronger than him???? And knows how to defend a takedown.

by ViolentMike on Jan 26, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions

dude scott farrell owns man him on sirius is hilarious

by randy murders on Jan 26, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, Ferrall’s show is great.

by El Mexicutioner, formerly The Mexicutioner on Jan 26, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions

i don’t know about the brock comparison he really didn’t even out wrestle coulture if josh got on top of him i don’t see brock getting him off and josh is the better boxer and yes brock has power but you say one punch ko power who did he one punch ko? cause we have seen josh do that but i havn’t seen lesnar knock some one out cold yet not that he can’t but we know josh can.

by roy on Jan 26, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions

Kevin: we tend to disagree, but I honestly cant disagree with a single word of your “morning Convo”…Good write up and I completely agree!

The only thing we bump heads on is Barnett. I think he deserves to fight Fedor next. besides Cro Cop, who unexplainably is his kryptonite, Barnett has only lost Rizzo and Nog, and he avenged both of those losses. I also didntt hink his performance against Yvel was anything to be ashamed of. it was a dominating performance and a 15 minute bEATDOWN!! Gilbert is a tough guy, and I was fully aware of that going into the fight. YOu give Gilbert a ground game and he becomes one of the baddest men in the sport. His striking is top notch and he is just an overall tough guy. I was more impressed with Gilbert’s toughness and survival skills then dissapointed with Barnett’s performance. I also thought that Herb Dean should have stopped the fight towards te end of the 1st round when Gilbert turtled up! Had the ref done his job and stopped that fight when he was supposed to, Barnett would have a 1st round TKO and we wouldnt be having this conversation.

IMO, I also think Barnett would beat Arlovski, but its debatable!

Gret event, and I cant wait for the 3rd show!

by john on Jan 26, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions

Good right up Kev.. I agree with John in regards to Glibets toughness over Barnetts offensive spunder.. overal a great night on MMA action.. what is up with Tito.?? and the strep throat interviewer?

by PhilQNY on Jan 26, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions

thats his voice lol its always like that, but dudes funny as hell

by randy murders on Jan 26, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions

good write up kev, i agree with john on barnett, he deserves the next fight and the fight could have been stopped in the first he said blood was running down the back of his throat and he could not breathe and apologized for the performance but let me tell you the crowd loved him and the fight peple who say he isn’t big in america he sure was well known at that fight with alot of fans behind him.

by roy on Jan 26, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions

I still don’t understand how Varner won, George St Pierre won the same way against hughes when he kicked him in the head, just like Cerrone did. Was Cerrone’s kick to his head to hard and not allowed?

by Jeremy on Jan 29, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions

Varner tapped out when Cerrone kicked him in the head, and somehow they declared him the winner? why????

by Jeremy on Jan 29, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions

he’s full of crap, theres cerrone with both eyes swolen shut still taking it to him, and theres varner without a mark claiming he cant see out f his right eye, which apparentally means you are unable to walk and have to wear sunglasses inside

by connor on Jan 26, 2009 9:50 AM EST reply actions

lol fo real

by brendan on Jan 26, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions

shit happens

by McArthur on Jan 26, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions

whatever! I saw the whole fight. Jaime saw a way out.. my bad.. he couldn’t see.. Donald is the real Champion in that fight in my book..

Like BJ Penn says.. “life is not about how hard you hit.. it’s about how hard you get hit.. and keep moving forward.”

That whole 5 round scene.. Varner.. can have good hands.. power. .and wrestling skills.. but his acting skills are garbege.. Yo. the Cowboy.. couldn’t see in the whole 2nd round.. he said he was seeing double… and still in the 5 round the Cowboy was in the fight.. ready yo put Varner in deep waters.. till Varner " saw ".. his way out.

BunZ!

by PhilQNY on Jan 26, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions

“life is not about how hard you hit.. it’s about how hard you get hit.. and keep moving forward”

I know BJ said that… but didn’t Rocky say it first?

by Hero-Of-Time on Jan 26, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions

Rocky.. BJ.. as long as I got my point across.

Rocky.. BJ.. as long as I got my point across.Varner = Ass Cheeks.

by PhilQNY on Jan 26, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions

Goodpost Phil. I fell asleep last night and didnt even watch the event. I really didnt care about the event in the 1st place. I watched the cowboy fight this morning and I totally agree…..I was so not interested in the Faber fight, that I didnt take 4 minutes out of my life to go watch it on the internet! Could care less about that fight, but I did win some good money on Urijah last night. Whyt bother watching the fight, there was no doubt in my mind aboutt he outcome…so F it!

by john on Jan 26, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions

Maybe he should concentrate on putting his opponent away instead of giving hugs and fucking around at the start of each round. I fell asleep after the start of the third round, but when dude was hugging Cerrone and drawing a fake line in the sand I was like WTF.

by El Mexicutioner, formerly The Mexicutioner on Jan 26, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions

Nevermind the bad acting job by Varner, the REPLAY showed that the knee barely grazed him. Yeah, knees are powerful weapons, but only when they actually hit their target. It seemed like Varner realized the momentum had shifted and he took a cheap way out. Too bad because it was a great fight until then.

by No1Dad on Jan 26, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions

Varner did find a way out of the fight. Plus, I really think that it is debatable on whether or not his knee was actually down at the time Cerrone landed the knee, it was VERY close. I loved how the announcers kept referring to Donald as “the terminator” because before they even said it, I said it outloud. Varner hit him with EVERYTHING he had and The Cowboy just kept coming forward – even with one eye swollen shut and the other swollen with blood all up in it. Varner even unleased some VICIOUS ground and pound as well and landed a good amount of solid overhand rights. Cerrone can take a beating, and I have a strange feeling that he likes it. How about the start to the 5th round? They hugged like they did the previous round, and then Cerrone starts clapping and screaming “WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!”. Donald still has a good amount in his never ending gas tank and Varner was getting close to running on “E”.

I had it scored 49-46 for Varner. I don’t know HOW a judge had the fight 48-47 Cerrone. I’d like him to point out what 2 rounds besides round 5 that Varner did not win.

GOt to get breakfast, we’ll be back to say more.

by ViolentMike on Jan 26, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions

i kind of think varner thought he was going to get the automatic win with a DQ. he definetly looked surprised when they announced it was going to the scoecards. all cerrone needs to do is work harder on his takedown defense and he will take the title in a rematch. varner doesn’t have the heart of a champ ino.

by b.w. on Jan 26, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions

Exactly. If Cerrone can stuff the takedowns in the rematch (I think he only successfully sprawled on one occasion) he will have a MUCH better chance at winning a decision. Varner had 3 weapons in that fight. The Overhand Right, the takedown, and his GnP. IF Cowboy can stop the takedown, that takes away the GnP. So all he has to work on is eating and then coutering the overhand right with his roundhouse kick.

Varner really threw his hardest punches he had in him and they landed square on Cerrone and it seemed like Cerrone ENJOYED it! In the rematch, I believe that Cerrone will make Varner fold under pressure and wear him down like he thought he would do this first fight

by ViolentMike on Jan 26, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions

I dont think Varner wants a 2nd fight and thats a BIg advantage for Cowboy!

by john on Jan 26, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions

Ok so the guy is going to fight 90% of the fight and then decide that he is scared? Come on. Bottom line is that shot dazed him a little. Wouldn’t it be a shame if he continued still dazed and then got KOed as a result of the effects of that illegal blow. Then Varner would lose a title he was clearly defending well.
Verner was hurt. The smart thing to do is to not continue.

by EazyEismydad on Jan 26, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions

“the pussy thing to do is hug your opponent and do a bunch of stupid showman things like draw a line in the sand in the cage, then get kneed (CLEANLY IF YOU WATCH FRAME BY FRAME) and to not continue as soon as the ref gives you an easy way out.”

I fixed that for you

by skwirrl on Jan 26, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions

I was upset to see the fight end the way it did. That being said, how can everyone hate on Varner. He was winning the stand up and was dominate on the ground. The Cowboy is a warrior, he came forward the whole fight and landed some good kicks but if any of you were scoring this fight, who did you have winning? Other than the Drunk Judge that must have visted the Beer Man one too many times there was no doubt that Varner won that fight. I’m an MMA fan, not a fighter fan, but come on guys, he fought 4 1/2 rounds (and was winning) why quit unless the knee to the temple did more damage than it looked like.

by BeerMan on Jan 26, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions

can someone post a link so that I can watch this thing past the middle of the second round? my usual site (—-linker) is down or this vid is not working on(——core.com). first round was good and the second was looking very interesting.

Best,
Taped

by TapedUpPair on Jan 26, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions

Varner was clearly winning the fight. I can’t imagine why he would “act” injured after 21 minutes, knowing that it would require a 5-round rematch. If he could have continued, I would think that he’d go into defensive mode and ride it for 3 more minutes to a decision. I believe that he was genuinely hurt, that knee landed on his temple. Can’t believe that crowd booed him, that’s just ridiculous.

by cmon on Jan 26, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions

I think he is a genuinely a bitch ass.. regardless of his skill set.. I personally saw the replay over and over agon.. and the knee that Cerrone thru.. grazed slightly Varner’s.. upper right part of his dome.. I saw Varner’s eyes the whole time.. and I can say.. BUll SHIT. I remember Renzo vs Shamrock.. when in the 2nd round Frank hit Renzo with an illegal knee to the back of his head.. and that fight.. I looked in Renzo’s eyes.. he was not faking.. nothing.. Renzo was out.. he was hurt.. Varner broke his hand.. was hurt from a grulling back and forth brawl.. but him saying.. I can’t see.. I can’t see.. was total BS..
I booed his ass too.

by PhilQNY on Jan 26, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions

I wanted to see Varner shake that off and get the fight started again. Endings like this are never good. If in fact he was really hurt by the knee continuing to fight would not have been very smart….see Joe Lauzon vs. Ken Flo. Varner had more at stake than Lauzon.

by BeerMan on Jan 26, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions

Think of it this way, the ending is good for everyone. Varner and Cerrone get a rematch (paid, of course), WEC gets good numbers from the controversy/rematch and we, as fans, get another incredible free fight. I say everyone wins.

by Victory is Ours on Jan 26, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions

NO!!!! Everyone doesnt win! I had money on Cowboy!!!!!

by john on Jan 26, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions

Double up next time

by Victory is Ours on Jan 26, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions

“Boo me! Go ahead, FUCKING BOO ME!”

MMA fans need to show respect to the fighters when they attend events live and are in their presense. Sure you can boo at the TV and complain on the internet, but if I was in attendance, I would have been upset about the finish, but would NOT have boo’d Varner. If he was LOSING the fight and looked for a way out, then absolutely – PUNK MOVE. But he was waaay ahead on the cards on route to winning a decision.

by ViolentMike on Jan 26, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions

Booooo!

Varner was a beast, but you have to finish what you start. If Cerrone had the balls to gut it out, he was entitled all 5 rounds; and let the chips fall where they may. Varner needed to say something more integrous than, “I cant see” when looking straight at the individual with zero detection of eye irritation (red eye). I give a pass for I am dizzy (rocked) and cant finish or anything that is not counterintuitive. Being way ahead does not substantiate anything but he was ahead on the card. Ask AA what being ahead means. Varner had a responsibility to finish that fight if he was able. In my opinion, he deserved the Boos only because it robbed the cowboy of what I feel what he was entitled … 5 rounds.

by TapedUpPair on Jan 26, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions

I was in attendance and thought Varner won each round. Cerrone had great escapes and counters, but not enough to score. Plus the Mike Campbell fight should’ve went on a little longer, but Danillo did have the hooks in and Capbell couldn’t escape. I just didn’t like the little taps Danillo was giving him, then stopping it. Plus every time Mike Brown would walk by me I would say “lucky punch” and he would snap around and look. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the first time he’s heard that. He didn’t look at Urijah as he punched him, notice his head was beside Urijah’s right ribs and his right hand a little behind. Urijah ROCKS and will destroy Brown/ Garcia

by DirtbagHtr on Jan 26, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions

I totally agree….it’s easy to admire the underdog, and Cerrone certainly gained a few fans, including me……but Varner was taking it to him the entire fight. I don’t know Varner very well, meaning i haven’t seen him on TV or read much about him, but i don’t get the impression that he’s a coward.

by kg on Jan 26, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions

varner may have not been able to contiue but i never seen a champ so willing to stop the fight, the limping was a little silly as well, but im done with jamie, every time he talks he almost starts crying. along with his stunna shades and new found big shot ego, i just find myself rolling my eyes at him. He’s a great fighter just kinda a dork.

by Blazy J on Jan 26, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions

The limp wasn’t silly, he broke his foot when he kicked cerrone in the dome. One broken hand , one broken foot, over 20minutes of intense fighting, concussion from the ILLEGAL knee, yep I would definately call that guy a pussy if I saw him in the street….. It was ridiculous people booing, HA like to see any of them even walk out to the octogan

by D- 1 on Jan 26, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions

Fuck Varner. His acting was so stupid. Like when he got up and started limping. He was trying to act like he was stumbling around, but he was just limping like he sprained an ankle. Very poor acting.

by Pat on Jan 26, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions

just one more thing once varner won the third he spent most of the 4th and 5th pulling a kalib starnes. cowboy had to chase the guy down, bad form varner.

by Blazy J on Jan 26, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions

I hope the WEC has the wisdom to rematch these two immediately. I think Cerrone likely learned a ton from this fight, and will be prepared to win the next time.

by kg on Jan 26, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions

I thought Varner was acting or at the very least playing it up big time. He was winning the fight and new this was his out. The tide had turned and he still had to get through 2+ minutes of Cerrone trying to finish him.

Also, I did not like how Varner’s antics, the drawing of the line, the gesture to hug it out before round 5. It did not seem genuine to me compared with Lytle and Marcus Davis. Varner seems insecure to me, I think he was pissed at himself for his playing it up so much and then realizing how the crowd had turned on him for lack of Budo.

I am looking forward to Cerrone winning the rematch. I’m sure Cowboy and Greg Jackson will have an answer for Varner’s style next time.

by Bert Bondy on Jan 26, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions

Also I thought it was notable that last week the war of words had heated up between Varner and Cerrone. Cerrone mentioned how Drew Fickett said that Varner was mentally weak and that he had almost quit in between rounds against Rob McCullough (even though he was winning!). Varner got all pissed off and called Drew a drunk in response.

by Bert Bondy on Jan 26, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions

I honestly thought it was or it was very close to being a legal knee. Varner’s knees had actually lifted off the matt like he was standing at the exact moment Cerrone threw the knee; however, Varner’s knees went back down onto the matt before it connected. I believe that when the strike was thrown, it was legal. Not Cerrone’s fault at all.

by Ballam on Jan 26, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions

Very accurate depiction. I think all agree. They called the foul accidental, and, therefore, scored the fight.

by TapedUpPair on Jan 26, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions

Varner is an enigma. For a guy who put it on the line for over 4 rounds – it is a bit disappointing to see how this ended. I do think he got wobbled with that knee, but to call for mommy without giving your body a chance to recover? Cerrone deserved better than this. This ending was more disgusting than Broke Back Mountain.

by TapedUpPair on Jan 26, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions

another arizona combat sports fighter pulling dirty shit first c.b. and his bitch ass denying taps and now varner saying his eye was hurt i say bullshit he gased and got scared he couldnt finish cowboy

by hioh on Jan 26, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions

hes given him a rematch so dont be such dicks WAR VARNER

by Jared on Jan 26, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions

psssssh varner was beatin his ass and got caught with an ILLEGAL knee…… was it his fault he got hit with an illegal knee? cerrone was lucky it even went to a decision cuz it shoulda been a DQ

by JG on Jan 26, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions

as my intelligent fellow mma fan about 5-6 posts above states. Varner came up off the ground a tad while the knee was being thrown and then touched back on the ground, how is that Cerrone’s fault? therefore it was not ILLEGAL, which is why there was no DQ. pull your head outta yer asses plz and stop sucking Varners nuts. i give Varner credit for layin a beatdown for 3 rounds but he was running away the entire 4th before the knee was even thrown and he woulda got subbed in round 2 if the bell hadnt rang. Varner was acting but ya that knee woulda hurt for sure, dust off the cobwebs and keep fighting i say, he had 5 mins to recover. if he cant get back into the fight after that i say hes not a real champion. the truth is, he was winning the fight, thought hed finish it early and when he didnt and saw how much punishment Cowboy was taking and still coming forward, he got scared and looked for a way out, hence the constant backin up for the last 2 rounds. and FTR the criteria for scoring a fight is aggresiveness, octagon control, striking, submission attempts among a few. in my eyes Varner wasnt exactly doin all those things, early on yes, but halfway thru round 3 and the last 2 rounds i think Cowboy was pushing the action, goin for way more subs, and still throwing punches and controlling hte octagon. only thing i can say is Varner did control the octagon and the pace better for maybe a bit more of the fight and was laying some vicious strikes in the first half . i think it coulda went 3 rounds to 2 either way but more so if Cowboy had been able to keep beating on Varner in the 5th, i think he woulda finished him personally had that knee not come into play. Varner looked gassed. but hopefully we see a good rematch.

by JakeAnd on Jan 26, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions

ACTING, plain and simple…..The knee BARELY grazed his temple, although he was squinting like his eye got gauged out. He took the easy way out.

He proved it when he said he broke his hand earlier in the fight. He staggered to his feet for the fight winner announcement. He was squinting and wobbly until the crows booed him and he told them to fuck off….THEN all of a sudden he is NOT wobbly. He is NOT squinting. He is NOT talking slowly like he is hurt. He acted and did a real bad job doing it. He had a chance to get out of their with a win and he took it. A second earlier or second later, that knee would of been good.

by fightfan on Jan 26, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions

I have mucho respect for the cowboy and Zilch for the “champ” who didn’t have the heart to finish the fight. Funny thing is I was rooting for Varner being the smaller guy, but next time I’ll be rooting for the cowboy who fought til the end.

by MrFyer on Jan 26, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions

all you varner haters need to shut the fuck up im tired of reading bash after bash on this guy or any other fighter thats in a fight and somethin goes wrong (alla steve cantwell) all you bitch ass posters do is talk shit on “ohhhh cerrone got robbed” this and that…bULLLSHIT!!! he got worked all four rounds and all of a sudden everyone thinks Cerrone was going to put varner away in the last round b4 the legal blow…bullshit cerrone didnt do shit besides move forward and throw some good kicks to the body thats iT!!!! look at the fighters faces and tell me who u think won that battle!… cerrone knee’d an oppent who was down and got caught….shit he’s lucky it even went to a decision at the end … all you Varner bashers can suck a D**k and go cry about how ur boy “the cowboy” got his ass handed 2 him ..and got lucky this lil incident happend or else nobody would be talkin any shit about Varner other than the fact that he looked impressive taken cerrone out for 5 rounds… fuckin tired of bitching and complaining on these posts ..get the HELL OVER IT!!!

by mawell99 on Jan 26, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions

I know! Look at their faces. Even after the knee to temple and all that blinking to subdue the blurred vision, Varner’s eye wasnt even bloodshot.

WAR Mommy

Varner is a beast, but man, he lacks some emotional character. Broken hand and foot make it pretty hard to finish this fight??? No doubt he took it to Broke Back until that point.

by TapedUpPair on Jan 26, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions

mawell you must have your head so far up Varners ass your judgement is clouded. i dont wanna get specific in picking apart you arguements but a couple things to point out. Varner was backing up the entire last 2 rounds, didnt do much so i dont see how you say he was whooping Cowboys ass for 5 rounds or 4 or watever, the first 2 yes he was killing him but he almost got subbed and he wouldve tapped if there was more time in the round. fact of the matter is, Varner acted like a chump not a champ. hes a very good fighter, bad actor. and he was gassed in the later rounds and he quit. you are askin people to stop hatin but you are in fact a hater yourself. i like both guys equally and couldnt have given a shit who won, i just like to see a straight up fight, and we had that for 4 rounds. the knee was unintentional and Varner could taken 5 mins and shook off a knee that barely hit him. he acted like he got shot, his knees gave out and and he was limpin like he broke his ankle from a knee to the head. what a pathetic display, and then as soon as the crowd boos him, he flips out like a little girl and is no longer woozy or limping or anything. stop smokin so much rock and youll see without blinders on that Varners move was punk ass and Cerrone was the real winner, on balls alone.

by JakeAnd on Jan 26, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions

Varner knew he was ahead on the cards but was gassed and on his way to getting pounded out. He saw a way out and took it. What a dick tuck.

by SHORT_BUS on Jan 26, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions

Im surprised, Varner is a cardio machine???

by DirtbagHtr on Jan 26, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions

shut the hell up jake u dont kno shit .. my head aint up varner’s ass whatsoever im speakin the truth about the man who actually WON the fight last night … varner was backpeddlin a lil bit yeahH!! bt the exchanges he def got the better end ..Cerrone didnt faze varner once durin that fight so i dont kno wat the fuck ur talkin about… u act like cerrone was winning after those 1-3 rounds he punished him…bullshit wat the hell did he do to clarify he had any of those rounds? its just bullshit how a fighter puts everything he has in a fight and gets an illegal knee to the face…and somehow hes a “lil bitch” a “faker” ….“tried to find a way outta the fight”….alll bullshit reasons to discredit the guy who obviously won the fight …so jake u can shut the fuck up and quit tryin to find a post to sound smart and give other ppl shit for there opinions… dont like wat i gotta say…GeT the fuck OUTTA here!! all i kno is my fav fighters varner and cantwell are on winning streaks..and all u haters can kiss my ass .. if ur nt a hater then im all good with you other ppl…jus cant stand ppl trashin other fighters for hard work n the cage

by maxxwell99 on Jan 26, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions

listen to yourself… wow the hypocrisy is astounding.
“quit tryin to sound smart and give other ppl shit for there opinions… dont like wat i gotta say…GeT the fuck OUTTA here!!”… If YOU dont like what other ppl say, then.. well… get the fuck outta here. its a message board. ppl can post whatever opinions they want… right or wrong… like yours for example. completly biased with nothin to support your opinions.

to say that verner actually won the fight is kinda dumb because the fight wasnt over yet. Cerrone’s game plan was to weather the storm and come out strong in the end… and it was starting to go his way… not an unheard of strategy. no, Cerrone wasnt winning the fight by the 5th round… but his plan was to finish him in the 5th and had worked towards that the whole fight and was gettin pretty close to ending it.. b4 the knee. he completly stuffed Varners takedown.. dropped him on his ass too. not to take anything away from varner the guy had a broken hand and foot.

as far as the knee. for you to read Jake’s post and watch the fight and ignore the fact that Varner was on his feet when he threw the knee, well… your just being ignorant and oblivious to whats obviously the truth. that the knee was Legal.. till Varner dropped back down to absorb it with his face while the knee was on its way.

I got nothing against Varner. but the fact is, he was too injured to win the fight from his hand and foot. he hadn’t dont enought damage to Cerrone to stop him and knew it was a matter of time b4 he would get finihed. I dont believe he wanted to win that way… but he also didnt wanna lose because of his injuries. I feel he was milkin it a bit. Some one who knew they had a chance to win the fight would have taken 5 mins and got back in there. but Varner knew he was defeated.
Im not discrediting Varner and i believe he would have won if it wasnt for his injuries… but in the end Cerrone’s plan was workin and he was going to win that fight… and the knee was Legal. just look at the tape.. you’ll see.

by jesse on Jan 27, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions

did anyone else see cerrone rub his nipples before his fight, looks like it doesnt work anymore

by zilla on Jan 26, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions

I challenge that theory. Cerrone just didnt tweak em right…Its all science. Haha.

by BrutalKnockout. on Jan 26, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions

maxx if you would actually know what youre talking about it would be alot easier to digest your bullshit. im not sayin varner wasnt winning up to that point but the last 2 rounds he was running like Kalib Starnes (albeit not that extreme). yes Varner was handing Cerrone his ass in the standup rounds 1-3 and yes he was still winning but like i said if that knee never happened Varner was in trouble and knew it so he looked for a way out instead of getting whooped in the last 3 minutes. and if you deny it the people in this forum will only know further that you are biased as hell. i said it coulda gon 3 rounds to 2 for either fighter if round 5 had finished.
rounds 1 and 2 were definately varner although round 2 Cerrone had some good sub attempts yet i think varners GnP and strikes from the feet were worth more than that so ya 2 rounds for varner. all varner did in the 3rd i believe was a nice head kick that didnt even floor cerrone and some takedowns, but you cant back up the whole round and get points for that, you gotta look at all the criteria that is used when judging the fight. i believe at the point they stopped it it was either rounds 1,2 and 3 for varner and 4 and 5 for cerrone or rounds 1 and 2 to varner and 3,4 and 5 to cerrone. but i guess its debatable as long as you arent a turd. which im just asking that you please dont be. im not tryin to sound smart, i know what im talking about. so take your swear words and shove em up yer ass along with varners cock. good day to you sir

by JakeAnd on Jan 26, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions

$5 the response from maxx to this thread has 5+ fbombs in it. Cussing = intelligence. Settle it in the cage guys.

Oh yeah and in my opinion Varner is going to shock the world when he gets the Oscar for best actor.

by theTRON on Jan 26, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions

your such a dick jake!! ur sure getting really defensive over my points of view and opinions …i think u need to get off my nuttz there cuz ur sure jockin them on this forum … dont worry bout what i have 2 say if u dont like it then keep it to ur fuckin self and quit writing paraghraphs bitchin about shit i dont care nemore VarNEr won…end of storty

by maxxwell99 on Jan 26, 2009 10:44 PM EST reply actions

haha look at you go MAXX. can dish it out but sure cant take it. Who’s gettin defensive now?

“if u dont like it then keep it to ur fuckin self and quit writing paraghraphs bitchin about shit” doesnt that sound like something some one would say to you? take your own advice and quit attacking ppl who are trying to have legitimate discussions like men.

“i dont care nemore VarNEr won…end of storty”

AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE…. CUZ MAXXWELL SAID SO! haha

by jesse on Jan 27, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions

For the record: it is near impossible for anyone to swing from Varner’s nuts and defend his bullshit. He doesn’t have any.

Hope that cleared it up for you Varner twats.

by SkeletonKey on Jan 26, 2009 10:57 PM EST reply actions

Maxx buddy you were the one that came on here swingin verbally at whiners. i stated my opinion and you ran off at the mouth even tho you sounded like an idiot. i know varner won and good for him i could care less. hes a good fighter and all but i think hes a bitch after that performance so say what you want. and ill write all i want thank you very much you dont run this forum. clean out that sandy clam of yours and get back to me when you can be sensible and well discuss it like men.

by JakeAnd on Jan 26, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions