UFC Quick Quote: Mark Coleman didn't have enough money to train right for UFC 93 fight

Forget training, Meltzer was sayin that Coleman is not doing so great money wise period. Sad to see though a hall of famer and former champ who doesn’t have anything to show for his years of competition. That’s the thing about these guys who did this long before it was cool.

I think Liddell is gonna smash shogun, Shogun just looks like he doesnt got it anymore

Geez last time I checked running was free, that a poor excuse.

Good one bigmcmac

wow, you actually think that all you need to do is run to get into fight shape? or have good cardio?

Is anyone else sick of watching blogs with Terrible lighting?

I am an admitted Shogun nuthugger, but you guys are really silly if you thought that was an early stoppage. Look at Colemans eyes when he got blasted by that uppercut. coleman was a super gassed 44 year old man, how much more punishment should a ref let him take? I think it was a fair stoppage. Coleman was blasted with like 2 or 3 solid punches b4 the uppercut from hell!

AFFLICTION NEWS***

Affliction and DReam will co-promote an event together!

should make for a helluva show with some amazing fights!

Why is Alan Belcher talking about moving up to Light Heavyweight? What has he accomplished at middleweight to make him think that he can take on those animals in the uFC lHW division? As much as I love Muy Tai, I hate this kid! He just gets on my damn nerves!

Ufc should just let Damien Maia, choke him out real quick!

Alan Belcher’s striking is the slowest in the UFC no defense at all, a kid waiting to get knocked the F out! Denis should have kept the fight standing and blasted him Jason Day style..

Shogun’s guard is very, very active and although he didn’t get the sub against Coleman, only the very best have subbed Coleman and they were HW’s who are probably a lot stronger than Shogun.

A lot has been said about Shoguns gas tank but in reality I’m just happy that he got some rounds under his belt and got threw the fight without re-injuring his knee. I think people are forgetting just how fuckin tiring it would be to grapple wit a guy who has the brute strength of Mark Coleman.

I’d have preferred 1 more tune up fight before Shogun got Chuck but all in all I’m pretty happy wit the situation. Those gruelling rounds with Coleman will have done him the world of good and I’m pretty sure he’ll be even better next time and will beat Chuck into retirement.

I loved Kang going into thata fight, but a few days prior, I made a post Vowing to NEVER again bt on a fighter making his UFC debut! Kang looked great until he got subbed. octagon debut’s have hindered the performances of many top fighters before him…I dont think this loss will hurt him too much. He will be back and he should do really well in the uFC’s middleweight division.

I would love to see Kang vs. Marquardt

I don’t think DREAM and Affliction is a good idea. They are completely different orgs in terms of the way they do things and culture. I just don’t see it. Belcher sucks, i hate that guy too. Kang just got caught but you always have to be very wary of guys with good guillotines. That’s about as close as you can get to a flash KO with subs. I too was worried about shogun’s knee blowing out.

John- I read that post, but didn’t listen. I did a bunch of crazy parlays 10 fighters, etc. and if I didn’t include Kang, or he won I would have made about $1500 off of very little money. Oh well. I’ll never bet on a Octagon newbie again.

I don’t like Belcher because of that horrible Cash tattoo that looks more like Elvis.

DAmn Victory! Sorry to hear that. octagon Debut’s are a Bitch! Never touch them! Like you, I also learned the hard way!

2nd worst tatoo EVER!!

Randy Couture is way more in shape then Coleman.randy would destroy him.It would be sad to watch.Colman has no gas at all in the tank.I thought Coleman and Shogun looked terrible!If Shogun fights Chuck in that shape,it will be an early night for Shogun!

Shogun did look like crap, but please dont let your hate force you into believeing that Coleman was winning that fight. NOT A CHANCE!! Had it gone to the judges Shogun would have still won.

I expected to see a fight where both fighters can preform as long as the fight goes. Read Jesse’s article a few threads down.

Brandon Lee Hinkle sounds like a serial killer name.

I have no problems with people bashing Shoguns cardio. Fact is that it was not up to par, regardless of the situations surrounding the fight. Shogun was 15 seconds away from winning a decision before he blasted Coleman with 3 or 4 really good shots, the last being that uppercut tha6t sent Coleman’s eyes rolling to the back of his head. Shogun and Coleman’s cardio was crap, but I dont think it was as bad as it is being made out to be. Coleman has super human strength, and for shogun, grappling with such a powerful wrestler is very strenuous on the gas tank. I dont think Shogun would have gassed in a stand up war, but that remains to be seen.

Shogun wont have to worry about the strength of Chuck tiring him out. I think its going to take Shogun sometime to return to top form. Give him a couple more fights and he will be back to normal. There is no doubt in my mind about this! When he does return to top form, I dont want to see all you bandwagon fans jumping right back on is nuts!

I am happy that he didnt destroy Coleman in 2 minutes. Fighting a grueling 15 minute fight against Coleman was very beneficial to Shogun. He got to put in some much needed work in the cage beginning to shake off some cage rust. I am very happy that the fight lasted long, because it was a good first step for Shogun! He will be back to his Terror self…NO DOUBT IN MY MIND!

Shogun Sucks!!!!!!!!!
Chuck will definitely send him back to Brazil to be a model. Well, maybe Chuck will ruin that career too by crushing his face ;)

YA Chuck would have ruined that Shogun no problem.

Also I had Coleman 15 seconds from winning that fight.

But the both looked awful.

What leads me to believe that Shoguns cardio isn’t going to get much better are his post fight words to Rogan. He actually thought he put on a good performance and said he was 100%. I really enjoyed watching that beast in Pride, but I’m not going to hold my breath with high expectations of ever seeing that again. Tank Abbott would get a call sitting on a bar stool on thursday,fight on saturday and still have about a minute more worth of gas than Coleman. Rua gas tank didn’t last much longer. We’re not talking about old BJ cardio (gassing in the 3rd), it’s more like couch potatoe cardio. Coming off an injury or not, he still went through a training camp and came out with cardio not much better than a guy with no training camp.

Lucky for us we get to read your well thought out and very insightful posts for FREE!!!

Hey Tyler I was just reading some of your great posts. You are an angry little man, i’m sorry to hear that.

Running is not going to get you in shape for mma or improve your cardio in an MMA match; you won’t make gains from pacing yourself for 2-5 miles on a run; MMA is slow down, explode, slow down, explode; you could run 60/120’s (walk 2 mins; sprint as fast as you can 60 seconds; repeat until you’ve completed desired mileage) but even that isn’t going to cut it.

  The improvement gained off the “free” cardio suggestion (and yes I know a person can make gains off of running but it isn’t as significant as real training) isn’t going to make the difference needed in an MMA match. He needed some specially designed circuits, stuff specifically designed for MMA; similiar to what you see in Wanderlei and Barnett training vides in a camp. Also, I will say the sparring partners you get tend to be much better when paying for these Camps; the over all work ethic/nutrition is all better in a real Camp.

I’m not making excuses for Coleman, because I don’t think he would have won that fight training camp or not; but its hard to build up that kind of Cardio on your own.

Let’s see: Used tractor tire – $200, Wheelbarrow and bricks – $150, Kettlebells – $200, Hills – free. If he really can’t afford this, he needs to get a job because his children are starving.

You’re right that MMA requires lots of work on intervals / VO2 Max, but you can do that on your own with some planning. He could have gotten an hour with a personal trainer to put together a schedule, read a few books from the library, and had a decent MMA cardio workout.

It’s hard to not to be sympathetic for someone who seems to be down on his luck, but you make your own success from your decisions—Coleman’s obviously haven’t been good.

There’s a reason people out there get paid to do nothing but train your fitness and give nutrition advice. If it was that easy then everyone would do this without a problem; there is no comparison from doing this on your own to hiring a professional to monitor your progress.

If Coleman doesn’t know by now what it takes to improve his cardio (for FREE) or what to eat, or have the work ethic, then an expencive fancy camp won’t do much to help him. A great camp helps to tap into that last little bit of potential, but they DON’T make mountains out of mole hills.

To add to that Coleman likely has a grossly enlarged heart (and all other organs) from years of steriod and HGH abuse, so he will never have good cardio period.

Lance Armstrong’s heart is like 3 times the normal size. Would you call that “grossly enlarged”? Would you also say he has bad cardio?

People need to get off the roid band wagon, just because a guy is shredded at HW doesn’t mean their using/used roids to get there. By most your guys reasoning, anyone with a good physique that weighs over 220-230 lbs and gets mad about losing a fight is roiding. Coleman getting angry after losing a fight is not indicative of roids; people have anger issues; being passionate or pissed off about something doesn’t mean you use roids.

  Secondly, you can’t get the sparring partners on your own that you can in a camp, the nutritionists and trainers all there to focus on you and what you need to do to get prepared. These professionals often offer different perspectives/methods on training that a fighter might find more useful and productive than what their using currently. These guys are paid to keep up with the latest research/training techniques, its what they do for a living.

These aren’t things a fighter should have on their mind; they should be focused on the fight and improving their skill set; thats it; let the nutritionist and the trainer worry about what you eat and what your gonna do to get in shape, fight 3-5 rounds without gasing and make weight.

Planning all that out; knowing when not to over train, when you peak, meal plans, muscle confusion techniques etc.. is not something a fighter should be dealing with ON TOP of tactics, technique and preparation for the fight. Thats A LOT of extra planning to do on your own and it helps to have a competent trainer there to take care of it.

Jay, you think a 44 year old man is going to get into fight shape running around the block? Give me a break.

Mark could have easily sought out someone like Randy Couture, who I guarantee would have had his team help get Mark’s cardio up there w/o forcing him to pay up right away. Mark’s a veteran of the sport and most camps would welcome him to cross-train. At this level, in the UFC, you can’t resort to what a kid like you would do to improve your cardio strength.

Exactly, little kids see their dads as invincible heroes who will always be able to protect them from all harm. Seeing their hero take a beating has to affect their sense of security, which all kids should have. Of course there is a time and a place for the girls to understand that their dad is a fighter, but six years old and immediately after the fight is neither.

TapedUpPair: you may have somewhat of a point, but how is this experience any different than people putting their kids in an mma class? They’re bound to see something disturbing/violent sooner or later; Or different from movies/magazines; a person can shelter their children all they like, trying to groom them to be these perfect little angels but negative material is still going to introduce itself to these kids regardless. Either through happenstance, IE: your at the movie and some guy is cussing out some other guy in the parking lot. Or through other kids they interact with in school.

Is it better for them to discover this on their own and draw their own conclusions, or to have a parent there explaining to them that yes, they are hurt, but that they are OK, that these injuries will heal and that this is the reality of a fight. This needs to be treated like any other sport imo; people don’t stop their kids from watching football, baseball, basketball, etc.. Why segregate mma when you have kids their age taking class’s on it? Also, what parent doesn’t want to be a hero to their kid? It’s not unreasonable for him to have his children there for potentially some of the biggest moments in his life.

All I’m saying is, it doesn’t all have to be negative or doom and gloom, the positive imo is that its observed in a professional environment and its not fully understood but hopefully being learned about in the correct light.

ODHGC:

Hey – thanks for your thoughts.

I dont think one should place fear over living life. MMA classes are wonderful things and I would encourage parents to place their children in such classes. There are many positive things to be learned where the impact is limited and padded at best. Additionally, children are placed with others who are emotionally and physically in the same place. There is an enormous jump from this setting to what exists in the octagon. Learning is a step like process when it comes to children. I think there are less tramatic ways to introduce things in digestible bites. MMA classes are a great first step.

I agree, we all want to be heroes to our children. I think parents should slowly introduce information so that when children transition into adolescence and then adulthood they have the ability to place things into perspective. For example, my friend is a gynecologist and he has a 5 year old. Should he bring his son to work with him and experience every thing that he does so that he can be a hero in his sons eyes? Sounds quite odd doesnt it? My niece may play flag football, but that does not mean I want her to experience the NFL from the locker room. I’m sorry, it is unreasonable to think that every moment is appropriate to attain hero status in your children’s eyes.

We definitely have to place life over fear. There are no perfect scenarios to bring up angels. Sometimes in sport we might have to explain something tramatic but we try to avoid these situations until our children are old enough to put them into perspective. Not all is doom and gloom but we need to use some common sense. Children are impressionable and we dont realize how much they absorb at young ages. There will be plenty of time to expose Coleman like beatings to them when they are transitioning into adulthood. If you are afraid they are going to miss out, show them the dvd when they are old enough to handle it.

You change your mind at the end? You say they didnt get a fight of the night bonus then you say they did , I know they did so does everybody else…