Randy is the greediest of them all. All he wants is the most high paying fights right now…and being one of the highest paid fighters in the sport its hard to respect. Lawst year he acted like he was above Nogueira, who has always been the #2 Ranked fighter in the world behind Fedor. Randy figures because Nog lost to Fedor it automatically made him better then Nog…I say BS. At Heavyweight both Nog and Fedor have had a much more impressive career then Randy. Had Randy fought Fedor and won, I dont think it would even be enough to jump fedor in the rankings. randy’s Heavyweight career is SO OVER RATED!!! He never really beat anyone worth getting excited over. Its just that we look at him as an old man so it makes his wins so much more impressive…instead of seeing them what they are…Wins over B level Heavyweights!

I strongly believe if the Normal Nogueira shows up to fight Randy…Nog wins. If the Nog that showed up to fight Frank fights Randy, Randy will Kill him. His next performance should be very interesting. Is Nog done, or was it a case of a long layoff and staph? Not sure but I cant wait to watch his next fight to find out.

John, I would give a rebuttle, but damn if you scroll down you’ll see I’ve been ranting on this all day, lol. I was curious to see what you thought, I just have to say I disagree about Couture; I got plenty of posts below as to why. As far as AA goes, I don’t think he’s greedy, maybe he really is a good boxer, but I’m not much for sitting and watching boxing now a days, I get bored with it. So most likely, I’ll watch one or two of AA’s fights and then be done with him until/if he ever comes back to MMA.

Besides, I’ve been thinking lately that this sport needs Fedor to go out on top undefeated; he’s the only fighter with that unbeaten mystique, this sport needs an “Ali” or a “Tyson” like figure; though he’d be the first in any combat sport to go out on top like that, cept for maybe Mayweather, but who the hell likes that cocky bastard anyway; besides he deserves to go out on top.

John knows whats up. I would like to add that Randy’s entire career has been OVER RATED. Can anyone name one title shot he deserved other than Kevin Jackson? His entire career has been built on fighting guys with same skills set and youth while claiming them as interesting matchups. In the mean time Big Nog destroyed his body while wowing fans. Even after his loss to Fedor how many top 10 guys did he beat to get a second shot? On the other hand how many top 10 guys on Couture’s resume? The only thing that truly saddens me is that the fighter that gave us everything without a single complaint will get nothing while the guy whose career has been built on “old guy beats young guy” hype and legacy protecting becomes immortal.

NNR, see below

NameNOt: I couldnt agree more. TOP 3 fighters dont lose very many fights. Randy’s record is B level. like we pointed out, its always about Randy’s age. I dont care how old someone is. If you step in the cage, then u r all equal….yet everytime old man beats up young guy and it gets blown out of proportion.

Nog did destroy his body, proving what a top 2 fighter he was. Randy was a great fighter, but very over rated. I am more impressed with what Randy accomplished at 205 then I am with what he did at HW. He is the most over rated HW fighter in the sport….HIs Heavyweight resume is TRASH!!!

I don’t get it John, you could look at it like saying he is greedy, or that he only wants to fight the best? What should Randy do? Call out Chuck again? HE calls out Fedor and calls out NOG, sounds pretty respectable to me.
You say his record over B level fighters and down on him for that, but then when he calls out these A level guys you down on him for it, I don’t get it.

As far as the fight would go, a Randy right now Vs. NOG in his prime would be an exciting, good fight in my mind, but judging by NOG’s last performance, i’d say Randy would kill him right now.

I realize he was a hall of famer and thats great and all but so is Ken Shamrock. So repeating the past doesn’t really matter to me. The honest truth is Randy has been taking the easy path the entire time he’s been a HW and everyone knows it. He beat Sylvia (which was an amazing feat) then beats the feared Gonzaga all the while ducking Arlovski, Nog, and Werdum. He was just going for a large payday by trying to face Fedor. Now he’s back and he fights a fresh Lesnar and you want me to be impressed he won a round? Randy is an amazing fighter I’ll give him that but he is not top HW material and he is treading where he has no business. The top HW’s would all crush Randy including Nog so I don’t really see a point in him sticking around unless he wants to make a payday. The Nog Randy fight is a payday fight. He’d make more money with Liddel but that makes no sense for Chuck so its not happening. Randy is now doing the pay attention to me dance that Tito has been doing. I’d be more happy if Randy just retired and kept his name good and clean instead of washed up which is the road he’s heading for if he keeps trying to fight these HWs

Blatant hater, sounds like your just hating on the guy cause of your own personal bias. I could be wrong about your own personal feelings toward Randy but to say Couture is undeserving of being champ/having been HW champ is nonsense. He beat Pedro Rizzo at a time when Rizzo was a top guy and Randleman when he was on top of his game as well. Ducking Werdum and Arlovski?? Makes no sense, he would have tool’d AA, what kind of ground game/wrestling did AA have to compete against Couture? He would have been in the same boat as Tim and Cro Cop. And don’t tell me there’s no way that fight would have ended up in a clinch cause it would have.

AA was looking timid in all his UFC fights after the Tim KO, that would have been the IDEAL time to take him on. And why is he responsible for setting up that match when AA wasn’t even a top contender?? Doesn’t Joe Silva set these fights up? When did he say, “No I won’t fight Andre or Werdum”, please link me to that specific interview. Didn’t Werdum just get KO’d by Dos Santos?? Why is he ducking Werdum?? That just doesn’t make any sense.

Randy loves to compete, he is in film, he is in business for himself with clothing, endorsements and other marketing tools, couture does NOT NEED to fight. He’s here for love of the sport, not doing a Tito “look at me dance” as your suggesting.

And I just have to add this; there is no comparison between Shamrock and Couture, Shamrock is in the hall of fame because he brought publicity to this sport in the early days, Randy is in the hall of fame because NO ONE has held a title that many times or been competitive at that age. The gap in actual fighting skills between these two is as wide as the gap between heaven and earth.

agreed…

First I don’t want to dive into Randy’s past endeavors like when he had the HW or LHW titles the first time because I admit he is a great fighter and very relevant back then. I won’t argue that he was a force to be reckoned with at HW back in the day. Next point I’d like to make is Werdum was highly ranked on the top 10 list and hadn’t yet lost so he was deserving of a fight at the time. Arlovski may have looked timid in his fights but was he losing any of them? If you look at his two losses to Sylvia he rocked Sylvia hard before Sylvia caught him and the third fight was a close decision that I feel Arlovski was gipped on. Arlosvki has some great take down defense and also is a master Sambo practioner and could easily hang on the ground. Anyway my point is that these two fighters were much more recognized than Gabe Gonzaga and some how after Randy beats Gabe he thinks he’s the number one HW in the world? He just jumps Nog, AA, and Werdum all of who are much more highly ranked than Gabe and could easily trounce him? but lets avoid this back and forth debate and lets jump straight to brass tax because I’m no Randy hater I’m just a realist. Could Randy beat any of the following men?

Fedor, Nog, Arlovski, Barnett?
Do you think he could beat Mir, Lesnar, or Kongo.

couture is nothing anymore. nothing. and he’ll just continue to get ktfo by anyone and everyone he faces. including lightweights.

Cogito Ergo Sum, you make no sense whatsoever. How is every fight of Randy’s a TITLE fight but one, taking the easy way. Sylvia dominated Nog on the feet and Randy spanked Timmy on the feet. Randy will crush Nog standing. “He’s treading where he has no business” WTF? Just like you said Nog would crush Mir.

jj = just another blatant hater; at least include some FACTS or EXAMPLES to back up your biased totally off based opinion.

Cogito, YES I do, first off, I have NEVER seen anyone stay off the ground when Couture wants it there; I think Kongo is an easy GnP victory for Couture, Barnett and Fedor would be the toughest match ups you mentioned and we are HOPEFULLY about to see what is going to happen in a Couture vs Nog match. The sad thing is, apparently even if Couture wins the excuses for Nog’s loss are already being brought to the table. Lesnar caught Randy with a big right, it happens, could it happen again, sure; but in a rematch I still take Couture to win.

As long as he is physically able to compete he is still a threat to anyone; the Lesnar match was not a one sided beating, it was a competitive fight; imo Couture can give ANYONE in the HW division a run for their money. Frank is looking pretty good, hopefully we get to see that match up before Randy hangs it up. Again, the sad thing being that even if he wins someone will find some way to discredit and cut him down; I just don’t get it.

My statements completely make sense. First of all fighting title fights doesn’t make them all the hardest fights. An example of this is Silva fighting Cote and his upcoming fight, where he is fighting undeserving competition Lietes. Next thing is Tim Sylvia is not a great fighter. He uses his size and reach advantage to a max in every fight and never improves. I can also say that he has terrible ground game. I was very impressed that Randy beat Sylvia but not impressed with how he did it. He just laid on Sylvia for five rounds while weaving in and out to avoid Sylvias lazy stand up game. I’ve done nothing but back up my statements with facts so you tell me how Sylvia- Gabe- Lesnar was the harder route.

How can you say that a champion should be fighting greenhorns like Gabe and Lesnar?

I can firmly say that Werdum and Arlovski both should have been ahead of Gabe to face Randy. The funny thing is Jake Obrien had a better record and should have faced Randy before Gabe. But your right because its not like Gabe lost to Werdum immediatley following the loss to Randy.
I can also firmly say that Lesnar should not have gotten a title shot ahead of Werdum, Mir, or Nog. How can fighting a 2-1 guy be the harder route?

There was no lay n prey going on in the Tim fight, and the 3rd rd of their fight and about half of every round but the 1st and 5th were stand up. In fact you won’t find a take down in the 3rd round period. Tim was getting GnP’d on the ground but he has long arms and was working some decent wrist control.

You keep calling for a Werdum or AA match up but Couture has NOTHING to do with that; thats the match maker, not RANDY he wasn’t ducking anyone, he was fighting who he was given. The guy who just KO’d Cro Cop; thats who the UFC wanted him to fight. If Mirko had come through then he was going to fight Couture, thats what they were trying to set up. Your examples are all examples of match making/marketing decisions that you disagree with, they have nothing to do with the fighter.

Werdum would be a tough fight for Couture, but I think he would GnP AA to a decision if he could avoid eating a big shot; AA has good TDD but the second it goes to the clinch it’s all Randy; AA’s not going to stop a greco roman olympic level wrestler. And we’re only talking about a 10 lbs weight diff between the two, Couture is a bad match up for Arlovski’s style.

Before I say anything else let it be known that I wouldn’t discredit Randy if he were to beat any fighter I just named. Randy easily beat Gonzaga but imo that fight should have never taken place. Randy is a threat and I will not deny it, the man is a stategical genius but I just don’t feel like he has the physical strength needed to compete at HW. I firmly don’t think Randy can beat Fedor, Arlovski, or Barnett and the only reason I think he can beat Nog is because of how Nog lost to Mir. If Randy beats Nog I would concede all the points I have made today and let that be a fact.

Randy got up from under Brock twice, and he controlled Lesnar in the clinch, how much stronger could he be? I don’t think strength will ever be the problem, if he has a weakness its going to be taking these big shots from these bigger athletes or giving up the reach in almost every fight.

O Damn he got Caught, you saved me a lot of typing.

What I am mad about is the fact that Randy refused to defend his title until he got a fight with Fedor and for what reason? Because Randy was the self proclaimed number one HW without even defending his title more than once? He avoided Nog, Arlovski and Werdum. I still believe Arlovski to be the number 2 best HW in the world behind Fedor and the true fact is the UFC lost Arlovski because they refused to pit him against Randy because Randy would have lost and it would have made the UFC much less revenue to have Arloski, Nog, or Werdum as champ instead of Randy. This is why Randy faced Gabe and Lesnar. Cro Cop was thought a shoe in to win against Gabe so the UFC did what they normally do they offered the winner of the fight a chance to fight the champ. Think of how much money Cro Cop against Randy would have made? Do I even need to explain the revenue in Randy against Lesnar? Now I have no reason to hate Joe Silva because he makes great fights 90% of the time but to fight low level competition instead of the true number one contenders can be brought on by two groups the match makers and the title holders. Randy knew he was getting an easy fight and he could have requested better competition, instead he requested the biggest block buster fight of his career, Fedor… after beating two HWs. A Payday fight. He also refused to defend his title against the number one contender in the UFC… why? because losing would have made a fight with Fedor lack luster.

Gord I picked Mir to beat Nog. I only agreed that Nog should beat Mir based on his record but thanks man. If you wanted to know I also picked Randy to beat Sylvia lol.

When you’re 220 lbs, 45 yrs old and fighting HW, there’s no easy fights.. No way was Lesnar an easy fight, he was even a betting favorite; in fact most people were saying Couture couldn’t beat Lesnar; and of course he went for Fedor. There’s nothing wrong with persuing a match with the best HW in the world when you’re in the position to do it. How many chances in a life time is someone going to get that fight?? How can you fault someone for going after the biggest fight they could ever have in their entire carreer?? You only live once, thats it, no second chance; Couture just wanted to test himself against the best, he knows he’s old, he knows he doesn’t have much time left, it was almost a now or never situation; there’s absolutley nothing wrong with that.

Lesnar was without a doubt the easier opponent as opposed to Nog (from what we knew at the time). Lesnar was fresh (2-1) and though he was a physical giant he had holes in his game. They gave Randy Lesnar to try and make money and because they thought Randy had the best chance at beating Lesnar over beating Nog. If they had the option I’m sure they would have picked Mir to face Randy over Nog. Randy is considered lucky. Unlike everyone else (aside from Penn) Randy got a straight title shot so he was champ without having to fight through the ranks. Since when has beating 2 people been alright for someone to claim being the best. By saying that he could beat Fedor thats what Randy was saying, I’m the best. He put the belt on hold to chase his silly dreams of facing Fedor while he was still contracted to the UFC. In my eyes he put the belt on hold and he put every UFC HW’s dreams of owning that belt on hold. Thats why what he did was wrong and it was uncalled for. Do you see Machida demanding his title shot even tho he has deserved it more than any of the past 3 challengers? Do you see Silva claiming he is the best fighter in the world? What about Fedor? No because they don’t need to claim it, they can prove it. Randy could never prove it, he was only hoping that he could luck out and beat Fedor and nobody in their right mind should have thought Randy could beat Fedor. but you know what I give up because no matter what its all circumstantial to you. Its like you place the blame on Joe Silva for Randy’s career. The good thing is I really don’t have to prove anything because when Randy faces Nog he’ll lose and I hope my point is then made.

Your hell bent on blaming Couture for damn near EVERYTHING that happened when he does not run the UFC and he does not make EVERY decision when it comes to setting up fights. Couture did NOT hold up the belt, the UFC held up the belt; they could have done what ANY other organization would have done, strip Randy of the title, let him go and move on. Insetad they drag this out in court because their afraid that if Fedor beats Randy, it will show the casual fan that the biggest draw in HW MMA is not in the UFC.

Lesnar is a HUGE draw did you see his pay?? 250 g’s just to show, do you think the UFC wants to pay him 250 g’s just to lose? It was a complete toss up, they did NOT intend for Couture to win that fight, they win either way, if Brock wins, it legitimize’s a huge draw, if Randy wins then he’s done it again and the fans go crazy!

What is Randy supposed to do? He’s supposed to go “No guys, I don’t want that fight, give me Arlovski instead.” When AA wasn’t looking good and wasn’t putting on exciting fights? “Sorry guys I’m coming back but I won’t fight Brock Lesnar, give me Werdum”. Then what? There’d be a crap load of people saying he’s ducking Brock!

I don’t have a problem with you picking Nog over Couture or ANY of those fighters over Couture, my problem is your trying to say, he’s just in it for the money, that he’s ducking all these top fighters and that his entire HW carreer has been a cake walk. Those statements simply ARE NOT true. Basically to me, it sounds like your just damning the guy no matter what decision he makes.

Your right and I will probably criticize any decision he makes. He can redeem himself and shut me up by beating Nog. I’m not saying it has been a cake walk for him and I would never try to undercut how hard it is to actually do MMA at such a high level but I’m saying that the only fight that proved he was the best was against Sylvia who we can all agree is no near the best anymore. I guess your also right and the UFC should have just given up and let Randy go to fight Fedor… let him lose and then the UFC would have had a current title holder (Nog) who already lost to Fedor and their MIA title holder Randy lose to Fedor. I also don’t see how he can demand Fedor and refuse to fight any other HW but at the same time here your telling me its crazy that he would do that to fight real competition instead of Gabe or Lesnar. Your right its because he was trying to prove that he is the best by fighting sub caliber fighters. I’m not saying his entire HW career is a farce I’m just saying his last two fights are. But you know best and he was never doing it for money, the entire time he was having his legal battles and dodging Nog he was doing it to prove he was the best and he was doing it for the love of MMA. Its not like he was the second highest paid fighter in the UFC or anything at the time. I will agree that the UFC didn’t care who won in Randy vs Lesnar because they were both supposed to lose to Nog. That doesn’t change the fact that they would have rathered Randy won (running out of time to milk that cow).

Yes, they definatley should have stripped him of the title, and moved on, let him fight Fedor, have some faith in the guy. I’m not saying he would win, I’m just saying LET HIM TRY. If he lost so what? Dana would just get on TV and talk about how Randy was too old and over the hill to be fighting and thats the real reason he left the UFC to challenge the overrated Fedor.
 
and this sentence of yours does not make sense to me:

“I also don’t see how he can demand Fedor and refuse to fight any other HW but at the same time here your telling me its crazy that he would do that to fight real competition instead of Gabe or Lesnar.”
 
Not sure what your trying to say, but I think your implying I’m saying he goes out of his way to fight Fedor so why wouldn’t he go out of his way to avoid fights with Brock and Gabe in favour of AA or Werdum? You can correct me if I interpreted that one wrong;

At the time of the Gonzaga fight who else was there? Cro Cop had just lost and AA was lackluster; Gonzaga was on a 4 fight streak inside the UFC and the ONLY person at that time to ever have beaten him was Werdum. Now if your saying he should have taken on Werdum instead of Gonzaga then bear in mind that Werdum had just dropped a loss in a very boring decision to AA. You could make a case for Kongo maybe but imo that would have been a GnP UD or stoppage for Couture anyway. At the time, Gonzaga was unbeaten in the UFC with a huge KO over Cro Cop and AA wasn’t looking good he was all they had to go on.

Now as for Lesnar, coming back into the UFC after the lay off thats who he was offered. Was there better comp, sure; Nog and Mir, Kongo had dropped a fight to Herring and Herring to Brock; so really the only other option was to wait for Nog and Mir to settle it and then take on one of them. IMO yea, maybe he could have handled that one differently, but what does it matter? He jumped into the 4 man tourney and even if he beat Brock it was inevitable that he’d have to fight someone tougher next anyway.

In it for the money? Couture gets a good chunk of change off the fight, I’ll give you that, but he’s got plenty of other business going. Instead of training in a gym and putting all this time into being a better fighter he could have turned all that energy toward his business; extreme couture gym, clothing, movies, and easily have made just as much if not MORE money than he’s getting in these fights.

Well, all of my arguments have been made and O Damn you’ve responded quite intelligently to them already. So i will just concentrate on final legacies of the each fighter. My issue (and mind you i realize that there is nothing anyone can do about it) is Couture will be able to have his cake and eat it too. He was able to use this hype and make change while maintaining a questionable legacy. Big Nog, a perennial top 5 p4p for the past decade, get nothing except being called overrated and having his legacy questioned because Randy is missing from his resume. How is it fair that Randy can keep fighting regardless of results while becoming a bigger legend and someone like Big Nog is left with nothing but a shot body and can only damage his legacy (in the eyes of people who aren’t fans) unless he beats the all mighty Couture.

don’t forget guys, randy held the lhw title as well, something fedor,nog and cro-cop never did and all 3 of them could have conceivably cut to lhw imo. i thought randy should have stayed and fought nog instead of chasing fedor and the money as well, but he didn’t and that’s in the past. him fighting gabe at hw is not randy’s fault, blame cro-cop! that was supposed to be the big pride vs ufc battle and c.c. blew it. i dont think you can just look at randy’s career at hw or his win/loss record or his 2 losses to chuck and judge his legacy by that. you have to looks at his career as a whole and the things he accomplished past the age of 40. i think if you ask any mma writer/reporter/journalist (people who actually get paid to critique mma) they would all have randy on the Mt. Rushmore of mma as 1 of the top 4 mma fighters who ever lived. NUFF SAID!.

Being a LHW then going up to beat on HWs is impressive. Not the other way around. All three of them could have gone to down to middleweight in pride and smashed everyone to get belts and the OWGP was proof of it. Randy was forced by Ricco and Barnett to leave the HWs. His career was at an all time low before Dana/the fertittas tried to use his “Captain America” hype to build Chucky. I didn’t work out but IMO his LHW reign should not be significant at all. Also you can claim that he was beating up HWs even though he was small but in your argument above you stated that all three of them could have cut down so they were in the same situation as him while they kept beating up top 10 HWs for a long time.

NNR, Nog is a legend, he may never have that type of validation with the casual fan in America but it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he is inducted into the UFC hall of fame upon retirement. I don’t know anyone that says Nog is overrated; it would be a blatant lie/lack of knowledge of the sport. I think in america and with the casual UFC fan, Couture will always be the more renowned fighter, because this is his backyard; but I’m willing to bet that in Japan Nog’s popularity trumps Couture. The casual fans, (guys like my friends that I order PPV’s with) will NEVER truly appreciate the accomplishments of either of these fighters. We all know what Nog is about, regardless of his performance against Couture. I am pulling for Couture, but either way it goes, they will both still be legends in my eyes after this fight.

They were bringing in Couture at LHW specifically to LOSE and make their other more marketable fighters look good. Couture has earned everything he has, he was supposed to come in and end up just another notch on Chucks/vitors/titos belts. He earned his fame, no one would know Couture if he had lost these fights he wasn’t supposed to win in the first place.

Great and intelligent debate guys! Debate slike this one show why this site is truly amazing. I am not even going to jump in this debate. I am enjoying just sitting back at the intelligent posts that u guys are making!

Good stuff men!

NAME NOT REQUIRED. how was the owgpx proof of it? it was OPEN-WEIGHT!. cro-cop didnt have to drop down to 205 to fight wandi. fighters could come in at any weight they desired, often causing mis-matches. saying they could have done it(cut down to 205) and actually doing it are 2 different things all-together. if moving from hw to lhw is not that impressive, why hasn’t anyone else been able to do it besides randy. your also forgetting that he then moved back UP to hw and did it again. your arguement holds no weight or value whatsoever.

A HW who cuts weight to LHW is still going to be bigger than most LHW (barring someone like forrest). When couture fights is it at 205? of course not, he probly replenishes back up to 220 as opposed to someone like Franklin or Wand who come in at 203 and 204 max. My point with the OWGP was that people will try to come in at the max efficient fighting weight which usually is the weight they already fight at and are used to for example couture-lesnar. Also please remind me of some fighters have dropped from HW to LHW (not an insult/instigation, i really can’t think of decent heavyweights that have made the drop to continue my argument.)

Sorry I didn’t respond back and keep the arguement going, I don’t work very late and I only check the site at work. I do have to say that everything presented on Randy’s side is legitimate and I can wait until my point is proven instead of tossing more mud on Randy’s name. Once Nog beats Randy, it will show Randy shouldn’t be fighting at HW anymore. I won’t argue that he’s a legend and his past fights speak for themselves, I just think why tarnish his reputation by continuing to fight. I feel the same way about Hughes, he should just retire now or move to the WEC before he really starts losing to lower level guys. Losing to Lesnar or Thiago Alves is nothing to be ashamed of but man your time is up, please keep your name clean and don’t become like Ken Shamrock please.

randy knows this won’t be an easy fight…Dana asked him to fight Brock (no easy task) and he lost…now he wants the next best fighter available…NOG…I don’t understand what the problem is….same with Irvin, so what if he called out Wand who I think he has an awesome chnace against…to be honest I would rather see Irvin/Silva than Chuck/Silva anyways

Not me. I’d love to see Silva be the one to retire Chuck. The only good thing about watching Chuck fight is watching him lose. He may have had what it takes before but the way guys are training and the skill level we are at now, he can’t keep up. Liddell doesn’t train as hard as the top level guys are. You can see his lack of training in his fights. I for one would love to watch Nog and Randy go at it. Great fight in my opinion. Marketable as well. 2 legends of the sport coming off losses, one gets back on track and the other dips a bit.

wandy can’t retire chuck! if wandy wins his second fight with chuck. then there will be a third fight! i think lyoto should be the one to retire chuckles. but yes chuck is way past is prime. he reminds me of my dad’s ’89 silverado, it was a great truck back in the day. but now its just too old to do any hard work.

oddly enough I think Chuck’s last fight EVER will be against Tito…somehow

Dana said if Chuck wins his next fight he could fight Anderson at UFC 100. How is this for a dream year. Chuck fights Shogun in April and wins, then beats Anderson at 100, then fights Rampage for the title on the last card of 09 to regain his title. Impossible? I can dream right. LOL.

i was referring to Anderson Silva retiring Chuck, not Wanderlei.

Wayne and McArthur speak the TRUTH!

Is Gegard Mousasi fighting at 205 now or 185?

185 in MMA as far as I know. He weighed 215 for his K-1 fight I believe, but that was K-1.

maybe that is what i heard…40 pounds is a huge cut to get to 185

synester, your “little fun fact” is terribly incorrect. take a look at his first four fights. just because there weren’t three rounds back then does not make your “fact” correct.

At least he tries to include facts in his posts or back up his opinion with something substantial instead of just flaming biased hate fueled ig norant comments off the top of his head.

jj- if you were going to correct me, then make sure YOUR facts are right as well. I was wrong, his first THREE (not four) fights all finished within 2 rounds.

CORRECTION- All but Randy’s first 3 wins in the UFC have either been 3rd round stoppages or decisions.

Happy jj?

O Damn- Nice argument with Cogito. I agree with you bro. To add a little fuel for that fire, and forgive me Mr. Cogito if I’m wrong, but to say that Barnett is a top heavyweight, ranked and better than Couture, Barnett has only beaten Nog by SD and submitted Alexander E. in recent memory. Talk about Couture fighting B level opponents, look at Barnett’s record…

And BJ BJ BJ!!

i think randy has better boxing and actively spars with better boxers than nog does. nog always takes a pounding on the feet!

I don’t know, Nog schooled Herring on the feet up until he got kicked in the head; he’ll have the reach in this fight too; but I do see Couture as having the better head movement and footwork; positioning and timing also go to Couture. I’m pulling for Randy, but I’m hoping for a good back n forth fight.

I don’t know, Nog schooled Herring on the feet up until he got kicked in the head; he’ll have the reach in this fight too; but I do see Couture as having the better head movement and footwork; positioning and timing also go to Couture. I’m pulling for Randy, but I’m hoping for a good back n forth fight.

They have to fight eachother, Kongo gets winner of Mir.Les and then winner of nog/Randy fights one more, maybe Randy/Herring and then maybe Mir/Randy if Mir can pull it off, that would be crazy if within 2 years Randy got the belt back one more time to retire with that status.