“It’s” cool.

since when did correcting grammar become the preferred way to prove a point and rip on people?

not to argue on gun control (i am canadian) because i personally dont care if you all shoot each other up down there, but you talk stats so here is one:
The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:

U.S.A. 14.24
Brazil 12.95
Mexico 12.69
Estonia 12.26
Argentina 8.93
Northern Ireland 6.63
Finland 6.46
Switzerland 5.31
France 5.15
Canada 4.31
Norway 3.82
Austria 3.70
Portugal 3.20
Israel 2.91
Belgium 2.90
Australia 2.65
Slovenia 2.60
Italy 2.44
New Zealand 2.38
Denmark 2.09
Sweden 1.92
Kuwait 1.84
Greece 1.29
Germany 1.24
Hungary 1.11
Ireland 0.97
Spain 0.78
Netherlands 0.70
Scotland 0.54
England and Wales 0.41
Taiwan 0.37
Singapore 0.21
Mauritius 0.19
Hong Kong 0.14
South Korea 0.12
Japan 0.05

this was the easiest and smallest to copy/paste so the year is old, but more recent ones are close statistically. another more recent one: http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/international.html

not being political, just showing some stats. that being said, in my home, when told to leave, you will. my family comes first and will be protected by any means necessary. now go ahead and correct my grammar and punctuation.

Since 2008-12-29 17:32:26

Were gun related deaths the greatest cause of death in those countries for that year?

other than maybe heart disease or car accidents or other natural causes? no way. or are you saying murders only?

not to mention the fact the us has twice the population of most of these countries…..wait a minute, canada isn’t even really a country, so it doesn’t count.

if you will notice the stats are done by proportion. and if you base a countries wothiness on population then i guess china and india are far superior to you. dont take it personally, we in canada have guns too. im not attacking you. stats like these are very common knowledge.

It’s such common knowledge that you had to Google search it and cut and paste it? It’s such common knowledge that you didn’t know it off the top of your head?
You ever heard of the right to bear arms?

the_mexicutioner,

Referring to the right to bear arms, or the 2nd Amendment, I still think this amendment is not used properly. The amendment does states the right to bear arms, but is left vague in regards to said right and “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”. This has always perplexed me as a firearm owner. The way I interpret the 2nd amendment is that I have the right to bear arms for (and as a byproduct of) a well regulated militia. Now, I don’t belong to any militia, that being said if my county told me I need to line one Saturday a month to drill in such a militia, I think my county government would be in their right.

A lot of those amendments are vague Jeff. If you get technical, we have the right to travel, but no mention of needing drivers licenses. There are cases (one in Minnesota sticks out) where a guy has used this and not gone to jail or been ticketed because he says the constitution doesn’t say he needs a “licensee” to go from one point to the next. Of course it doesn’t, there were no cars. Lots of those old laws are bogus just because our forefathers didn’t predict the technological advances that we’d make!

Kevin,

I like to think they are bogus and vague on purpose and somewhere are forefathers are laughing their asses off. Hell, I remember a law in Temecula, California from say ‘88, that stated I could carry a loaded shotgun while carrying more than $100, while on my way to the bank. My all time favorite is a Minnesota or Montana state law, that you can’t share a six-pack with a moose. WTF, how did that legislature session go down?

LOL, I’m talking federal law (which supersedes state and local), but you’re right, some of those old local laws are funny, maybe I’ll look a few up!

here you go jeff, one of the best:
animals can’t mate within 1500 feet of a bathhouse!

http://www.dumblaws.com/

What you don’t see in the stats above, is where were the shooters of the 14.24 per 100,000 gun deaths from? The US is the melting pot of the World. If we were to tighten our borders, then the other countries stats would be higher because they are not living in the US. This reminds me of a joke: Why doesn’t Mexico have an Olympic team? Because anyone that can run, jump or swim is already in in the US. I know it is a bad joke, but there is a lot of truth to it as far as people being in the US from other countries. I work in a small county jail in FL with a capacity of around 800. Over half of the inmates housed are for ICE, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. They are people from other countries, waiting for deportation after serving time for crimes committed in the US.

Dude the house was owned by Malec and Eilers mother. How does that justify self defense, its his mothers house as well during a family reunion. Since Malec is also living with Eilers mother and is considered is step father and not his father in law that means Eilers was not arguing with Malecs daughter as she wasn’t Eilers daughter. The article also said there were massive amounts of alcohol in the house and that Malec walked around with his gun regularly. This is BS they need to hit Malec with the book. And Pug thats a terrible statement to say that anyone caught a bullet they asked for.

sadly dirtml, you are right. If someone comes to my house, and is acting stupid, I can force them to leave in any manner I please. This includes shooting them if and only if at some point I feel threatened. He will argue all the points you made, and will most likely get a slap on the wrist!

Kevin,

Legally speaking, I don’t even need to be acting stupid. You don’t want me at your house, ask me to leave and I have to leave. Not leaving, could, depending on your jurisdictions law and/or the buildings use, constitute unorderly conduct, trespassing, civil unrest, etc.

depends, in ca you have to be faced with deadly force to use deadly force, since he is a fighter that would be enough that the father felt threatened and could use deadly force, other states your right just being on the property unwanted you can shoot people(texas).

either way very sad

thats what I mean Jeff, I lived in FL for years, and everyone has guns (like texas) and has a right to use them. I was saying that he’ll say he felt threatened, but it’s a mute point, plain and simple, he’s not going to jail!

So calling the police before shooting the individual dead in cold blood does not have to happen?? I think he will get much more than a slap on the wrist. More dialogue of the events have to be released before I pass complete judgment though.

Other reports also said that he was throwing/breaking objects. State laws vary. Malec has the right to protect his life, the lives of his family,and property. He could argue that Eilers was a professional fighter and was threatened and feared for the life of himself and his family, especially since Eilers would NOT leave. F*cked up but watch it play out in court. i Would not be surprised to see Malec walk with some years of probation!

Only one problem with that; it’s Eiler’s family too.. Unless his own mother, girlfriend and the rest of the family is going to corroborate that he was a threat and that they were in mortal danger, Malec is going to jail for a long time. And the quote "I don’t know, this happened, they thought I was going to kill everybody." from Malec indicates to me at least, that HE was the problem, not Eilers. Why would the rest of the family think he was going to “kill everybody” if shooting Eilers was justifiable self defense?? Sorry, Malec is going to jail, booze and guns is not a good combination.

Or maybe the bitching could be a lack of grapes. haha

accually, Mission Hill winery right here in my home town has some world renowned wines. cant stand wine myself.

Damn I love wine, hook me up.

after you were mean to me, no way. im keepeing all that okanagan gold weed to myself as well.