Me too

Forrest- TKO 3rd
Nog- Sub (ankle maybe) 2nd
Wandy- TKO 2nd

Cogito….Not saying that Forrest cant win, but I am saying that he CANT win via KO!!! He has never KO’ed anyone, and its not going to start against the undefeated rashad!

ko, TKO = same thing! NOt going to happen!

I understand john and my third round tko pick of Forrest might be a little over zealous but I am picking Forrest to finish Rashad off in the later rounds due to Rashad just not being prepared for Forrests cardio. Also I like Forrest more than Rashad so I’m completely biased to the fact that Rashad has better ground game and an increasinly better stand up everytime he comes out but you can’t bet against Forrest. If you want my honest opinion this fight isn’t going to be all that exciting. I think Rashad is going to try to counter strike with Forrest until he gets to the later rounds and then use his wrestling to aggravate Forrest and win a UD but I like Forrest as the champ much more so I’m rooting for Forrest.

Cogito: No worries man, I am biased against Forrest….AS long asx we can admit are Bias its ok! I am having a real hard time trying to figure out how this fight will play out.

Copnventional wisdom says that Rashad will use his wrestling and take Forrest down, but I dont think its too great of an idea. I believe Forrest’s best asset is his ground game (jits). I do not respect his stand up, its good but has very little power in his HANDS. If I were Rashad, I would rather stand with Forrest then take him down.

I dont know how this fight will play out, I do believe that its destined to go to a decision! I dont give Forrest much of a chance at finishing Rashad. If Someone is going to finish this fight it will probably be Rashad, but I feel that it will go to a decision. Not saying Forrest cant win, I just not sure that he can FINISH Suga Shad!

Forrest has great Cardio, but Rashad will be in great shape as well. I dont think Cardio will be much of a factor in this match up!

Nog – UD

Rashad – Split Dec.

Wandy – TKO

• I am willing to read intelligent posts as to HOW and WHY people think Page is going to win.

Too many factors going against Page to win this one…

OJR: Have you seen both of their fights from start to finish? I dont have enough info as to why you think he doesnt stand a chance so I’ll only go into but so much detail. If you watch them objectively and dont get caught up in the spectacular finishes you can see where Page had the upper hand and theoretically could have won. Then you factor in the change in rules between PRIDE & UFC as well as the improvements Page has made and that’s the general idea why myself and other believe he can and will win this fight. Why are you so confident Page doesnt stand a chance?

Machine-

Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, I don’t buy into MMA Math or shoulda, woulda, coulda.

Page lost. Twice. Period.

Changing camps, legal problems, emotional breakdown this past summer…

That’s alot to get past. I think Page fans think Page will win. I like them both but I got Wandy in this one.

MMA Math is alot like percentages in that it can be manipulated to support any side of an argument. That’s why I never use it. It’s also important to know that I’m a fan of both fighters.

If youre asking why I think Page will win then I think it’s a bit abrupt to just toss everything I said into the “shoulda, woulda, coulda” category. If we were only talking about their 2 PRIDE fights and debating only those outcomes then I can see where you’re coming from but thats not the case here.

To be objective, we need to take all of the information from those past fights and translate it to the new landscape which is the UFC, it’s cage and its rules.
We also need to take into account fights they’ve had since then, where these guys current skill sets are and we can’t forget how competitive both fights were either.

If you go back and transport those fights into the cage with the UFC rules then you have fights with no soccer kicks. Those kicks played a heavy role in the outcomes. You replace the ring with an octagon and you have to realize that the 2 spaces are used very differently, each with its own advantages and disadvantages that could go for or against either fighter. You also have less frequent re-starts because there are no ropes to go out of bounds with or get tangled up in.

Now lets talk fighters. Wand has improved cardio and I’m sure training out of Xtreme Couture has improved his game elsewhere but we have yet to see just where that is. Based on his fights with Chuck and Jardine, Wand is the same ole’ Wand but with a bigger gas tank. He’s a brawler who throws wild looping power punches and comes straight ahead.

Rampage on the other hand has much improved stand-up and takes a more technical approach to striking. Thats not just my opinion, it’s been stated from time to time in interviews with other fighters, panels and experts. Everyone in the MMA community saw what Wand did to him in the past with those knee’s but roughly 7 fights later, you’d think others would have taken advantage of that weakness but ever wonder why he’s never been caught with them again? That major hole in his game has since been closed.

So I ask you, based on what we’ve seen in their 2 fights, take away the knee’s and the soccer kicks, factor in the new landscape and rule-set, can you still really say that Wand will win this 3rd fight just as convingly as the last 2?

I dont think the 2 losses were that much of a mental block because after each fight, Page has always maintained that he truly believes he can beat Wand. Everything with the trial and the delirium are causes for concern because fighting is 80-90% mental and if his mind isnt right, then he’ll be handicapped. But if the Rampage that took Chucks belt and unified the titles by beating Hendo shows up, I say this fight is his to win.

Excellent argument.

You have given me something to think about.

The other “veteran” posters should take lessons from you in proper rebuttals.

Nice post.

Thanks for being cordial OJR but I owe it all to you. Had you not issued that open call to debate, I’d never have spent as much time on it.

I just hope the winner of this fight gets next crack at the title. That’s all I really ask. If not, who else do you match them against?

HOLY LONG POST BATMAN!!!!

Nog-sub
Forrest-sub
Wandy- cause I hate page (at least i’m honest)

I’m starting to wonder if this site has turned into a writing contest?!?!?

Is it just me, or does Vera make way too much money to be fighting a guy like Mike Patt?

BTW, This is Vera’s last fight on his contract, but contract negotiations are going smoothly and he is close to a new deal with the UFC.

Contract to look out for is Wanderlei. After his fight with Page, wandy will only have 1 fight left under contract with Zuffa. I expect them to resign him so it doesnt really matter!

what? UFC resign Wanderlei? I don’t think so, that is retarted. Unless Rampage kills Wanderlei, there is no reason to resign him. I am beginning to think Rampage and Rashad are going to win like you guys think, which is ok for me because I would love to see some black on black crime and would love to see Rashad with his lights out from getting KO’d by Rampage.

chad, do you know the difference between re-sign and resign?

or the difference between retarded and retarted?!?!

Dude, You need to learn one thing, In a fight nobody has the upperhand, because anything can happen, SO NO CHUCK WAS NOT WINNING THE FUCKING FIGHT.

This is a fight not a fucking video game or something.

Chuck WAS winning the fight as he had won the 1st rnd….What is so hard to understand here???

ok, so Chuck won the 1st round. Who was winning the 2nd round up until the KO….Rashad. Let’s say the KO never happened and Rashad kept that same momentum going and won the 2nd round. Depending on who won the 3rd round, at that point it could have gone either way, right? So even without the KO, best case scenario it was a toss-up. But Rashad knocked him into next year (literally) because CL wont be fighting again until well into 2009. So why are people still debating this? It’s over and done with just like Chucks career. Muahahahahhaha!!!!

First off “the storm” you shouldn’t act like such a child. Now for my points I already know anything can happen in a fight but that does not change the fact that someone is winning and someone losing during the entire fight, sometimes its to close to call. Also Chuck was winning the fight, if it had gone longer theres a chance he would have lost sure but it doesn’t change the fact that you trying to use this fight to compare how Rashad will fight against Forrest is called MMA math and bogus.

Ok now if you had taken the time to properly read JV’s comment you would have noticed he compared Rashad to Quinton. Where does he say Forrest will easily beat Rashad, did Forrest easily beat Rampage? Also if you would stop acting like a child and attacking my statements maybe you can find the time to answer my questions to. How was Rashad destroying Chuck? because it looked like he KO’d him but I never saw any destroying going on. Also what does Rashad beating Chuck have to do with Rashad beating Forrest? Grow up man and start putting some thought behind your words instead of just hate.

LOL Forrest did NOT tear Rampage apart for 5 rounds. He tore him apart for 1 round and even then I wouldnt say he tore him apart because there was no real damage done other than the leg kick that took out his knee. I’ve watched that fight 3 times since that night and I counted the flurries between the 2 and Rampage was landing more shots and doing more damage in 3 of those 5 rounds. I still dont see how Forrest won that fight but moving forward, I’m going to learn to accept what happened and quit cryin over it (for now). What’s done is done.

haven’t you learned that nog is not going to lose to mir?