Come on GUys…I like GSP as much as the next man, but BJ Penn is not losing this fight! gSP will have to pick his poison! If he stands with BJ, he is going to get busted up again. If it goes to the ground BJ is going to either sub him off his back, or get a sweep and as a result of a scramble, end up taking gSP’s back!

I know how much GSP’s jits has improved, but we are talking about the prodigy! He got that name cause of his ground game! People also tend to forget that bJ Penn was inches away from submitting GSP at the end of their last fight via a gogoplata!

bJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!

GSP was a different fighter then. I think both have improved since that fight, except GSP’s improvement has been exponential. Absolutely no way GSP will lose this fight. I will even go as far as to call a first round TKO.

He wasnt a different fighter, look at the Sprat fight, before the UFC and Georges hooked up he was the same fighter i see now, even against Penn the first time, lots of kicks (nothing new) good top game on the ground like in his Sherk fight, aggressive like the first Hughes fight, Karro fight, Trigg fight (nothing new) . . . whats changed? BJ BJ BJ!!!

Best Boxer in MMA. Get real people if you think BJ has a diverse and complete MMA striking style. Also, it’s his jab. He is one of the few people in MMA with an excellent jab. That said he will quit. GSP

I agree. I think GSP is not going to over commit, I think he is going to push a pace that will wear BJ down. Eventually BJ will just won’t be able to handle the pace. GSP round 4 by GNP

All this “Penn will submit him off his back” talk is nonsense. Penn has submitted exactly ZERO fighters from his back. He won’t start with GSP.

Word ADAMG, WORD, ive been trying to convey this message to the public since forever man, they just don’t get it. I’ll do it again though, for PENN.

GSP is this changed fighter you say eh? Wrong.
Lets look at your pre-Penn gsp and your post-Penn GSP.

Pre- Finishing dominatingly agasint sherk, jay heiron, pete spratt, frank trigg, jason miller. And a debut win over Karo Parisyan

Wins SD agaisnt Penn

Post Penn – loses to serra, demolishes serra, beats matt hughes, UD over Kos and Fitch.

Just copy that ADAMG and past it any time the GSP dudes say he is soooo much better, cuz no GSP guy has ever been able to come back at that.
GSP better now than since he fought Penn? It’s a myth guys.

hey i have a question:

if bj won and took both belts would they create an interim belt for both weight classes??

because bj will be a very busy man if he has to fight all the no1 contenders + what if there is 2 no1 contenders like there is now (florian, alves)

WORD! BJ BJ BJ!!!

Well when he beats Penn, I dont want to hear how fat Penn is or he got caught with a lucky shot. This is GSP’s fight all the way. First round TKO. Penn will get lucky if it’s anything less than that. BJ doesnt have the same speed or athleticism GSP has, and that will be the beginning of the end for him.

Hold on now. Let’s not be overly biased here. Yes, BJ has finished all 3 of his last 3 fights. However, GSP has finished 2 of his last 3 fights and the reason he didn’t finish Fitch is a testament to Fitch’s heart and not to GSP’s inability to end that fight.

Let me point out that I’m a huge fan of both of these guys and it’d be hard for me to say I prefer one over the other. That must be why I’m able to see this a bit more objectively than most. So, no matter who wins, I win as far as that goes.

I will say that I’d rather see BJ focus on cleaning out the LW division as opposed to splitting his time defending 2 belts. That would end up slowing down both LW and WW progression for other fighters in the divisions.

Alright C-war now that is the most rediculous post coming from a regular that I have seen in a while.

To write off Penn already and make excuses “Penn will get lucky if anything….” before the fight even happens is absurd. Making excuses before the fight? Is like the ultimate excuse of all excuses. You say “Oh I dont wanna hear excuses when GSP wins….” and then go on to mkae a huge rediculous excuse(luck) for GSP. Not to mention, it makes it sound like you don’t have all that much faith in your boy?

UFCaddict: I think the most anybody can come up with at this point is just theory as far as what ive heard. There are really two situations of which no one really knows which will play out.
1)Penn will relinquish the LW belt and continue as normal with the sole focus on the WW. 2 contendars in LW will then fight for the vacant LW belt. I for one like this best but think it unlikely, as I think Dana wont like it becuase it could take some legitamicy away from the LW champ.
2)Penn will defend both, hold both as the one and only champ in both, and both weight classes will move along a bit slower than before.

All this bias here’’ lol. GSP’s pre-Penn dominate wins, doesn’t compare to the caliber of the 2 UD’s over an elite KOS & FITCH. GSP is now 27 yrs of age and entered his physical prime, He’s stronger and his wrestling & strength has skyrocketed, he’s earned his BB in Jits & improved his standup. Penn has greatly improved in cardio, training, dedication & steadly improved in his wrestling & already awesome standup. GSP has improved more than Penn, he’s also younger, & a bit more physically gifted.

A HUGE intangible for Penn, is his ability to take a punch, it is incredible for a lightweight, a physical gift far above what GSP can take. GSP may have more tools, but 1 of BJ’s jabs can do more damage to GSP than a few combo’s of GSP’S to Penn. As Adam G. once said, BJ’s head is made from LAVA ROCK!

LB for LB Penn as a 155lbr is the better fighter, but the edge in size makes me think GSP will win it in GnP mode. GSP has shown he has the cardio to do relentless GnP for 5 rounds and he’s going to need to do that for at least 3 rounds otherwise Penn is going to win a TKO if he can get more than 2 rnds in standup.

If Couture can standup from underneath Brock, Penn should have a few chances to get up after a takedown from GSP.

GSP is wise to Penn this time, he’s not going to stand in front of him, he’s going to stick n’ move, when Penn closes the distance GSP is going for the takedown, which Penn won’t be able to stop.

I got GSP winning by decision, but I sure as shit’ won’t be surpised if Penn wins by TKO!

Excellent breakdown Thorazine, i got GSP by TKO. I have not doubt in my mind that this is gonna be his ultimate performance where people will be shocked by how truly and vastly superior he is compared to the best – something along the line of Fedor-Nog I.

Is it me, or is GSP’s only chance a lay ’n pray decision?

I don’t think so. I don’t see him finishing BJ in the first couple rounds, but if he fights smart I think he can wear him down and finish him in the later rounds. I know that BJ has rededicated himself, but I don’t think his wins against Stevenson or Sherk really showed much in the way of improved cardio. He beat Joe Daddy in the second round, and Sherk at the end of the third after a kickboxing match. Sherk made a huge mistake by not pushing the pace and going for takedowns. I know he wanted to prove he could stand with BJ (which he clearly couldn’t), but he didn’t make him work hard by defending takedowns. I’m not yet convinced that the ‘new BJ’ can fight 5 hard rounds, but if he can pull something off in the first couple rounds (which is certainly possible) then we might not have to find out.

Its just you, LAY AND PRAY phhh, do you even know who these guys are. Either guy can win this fight and it will be a beauty, definitely cheering for GSP in this one though. I will even go as far as to say that we could see BJ really get domintaed in this one.

THORAZINE:
I really like your analysis of their damage taking ability, but as far as the pre penn vs. post Penn GSP i have to disagree. The opponents GSP has faced have been a bit better in Fitch and KOS, but GSP hasnt finished them like he has his Pre Penn opponents either. The dismantling of Frank Trigg who is a top opponent is one of the best performances ive ever seen by GSP.
And again after that you just go on to say the same thing over and over: GSP is soooo much better here and there and here and there, but like i said, his recent vs past opponents hasnt shown that in my opinion, it shows he is good and always has been, but so much better than before? Nah.
And I also think most would disagree with you in saying GSP is cleary more physically gifted than Penn.

Frank Trigg got dismantled by Hughes twice, and GSP once, I don’t think Trigg is all that good not by todays’ standards either. I certainly didn’t credit GSP with being soooo’ much better… lol your bias is showing again. I actually like them both.

GSP is a lot stronger, he’s the best MMA wrestler?… woah’ how the hell did that happen?… he’s clearly improved I think that’s mostly due to physical & mental maturity over the last 3 yrs.. he hit his prime at 27 yrs… he was 24 when he fought Penn last.

GSP has alwasy been a bomb wrestler, and never been outwrestled. Frank had 2 HARD fought battles with Hughes. You’r just restating your opinion, not really backing it up with anything.

My opinion = BJ BJ BJ!!!

I don’t think Freddie Roach is qualified to judge the best striker in MMA. He could certainly tout BJ as the best boxer, but MMA striking is way more than just boxing. And to say that BJ would ‘definitely’ win a striking match with GSP is just ignorant. Plenty of people thought GSP would ‘definitely’ win a striking match with Matt Serra and it didn’t happen that way. The only thing that’s definite in MMA is that nothing is.

Its cause BJ won a striking match with GSP already, take that into account. BJ BJ BJ!!!

There is nothing to take into account. The only thing BJ proved in that fight is he can hit GSP when he can’t see and he CAN’T finish him when he has him hurt. The rest of the fight GSP was landing the kicks (which are strikes). GSP has the better all around striking.

LoL, no, but it didnt matter huh, who looked like they didnt have striking in the first fight . . . Who on the ground landed 0 strikes? Both really, but who took it to the ground to do nothing there? Standing striking, BJ won right???? ok then, period. Checkmate. over.

I don’t think Mc was debating BJ vs. GSP but questioning whether BJ really does have the best striking in MMA. This isn’t about BJ’s striking vs. GSP’s striking, that’s a completely different debate.

thanks, im glad someone can read.

ok then, yes on both counts. Better than GSP and eventually the best in the world. Give him a 5 year stretch of training like a champ does (like he has been for 2 years now) and then lets see where his striking is. Its come a long way in just these past 2 fights. With more strength and and cardio they will get even better as well because he will have more confidence in himself all around to throw more complicated strike patterns including kicks. I still think its smarter to not throw kicks if you dont have to cause they lead to takedowns when your striking is a s good as BJs, he knows this and this is why he doesnt thrown them. He hasnt needed to, done just fine without them. And who has more KOs do to KNEES for the record, BJ, theres some striking for you. And as far as finishing goes with striking and taking advantage of what they can do with their hands, who has seen more decisions since their first fight, GSP 2 dec and 1 loss to Serra, BJ 0 dec and 1 loss to Hughes. I know GSp is at WLWT and fighting bigger guys but thats the way the cookie crumbles dudes, besides, georege is really fighting 155ers majority of the time and he himself is the a bigger if not the biggest WLWT in the UFC almost and eventually will be a 185er, bet when his career is over that he has spent most of it at 185lbs. So boo-hoo, BJ is better, the guys is a nat 155er, just cause he fights smaller guys to George doesnt mean they are smaller to BJ, it means nothing, one name Lyotto Machida, win or lose, at least he had the nuts to fight a guy like that at HVWT! Come on. BJ BJ BJ!!!

I dont think you get it… Once again your comparing BJ to GSP which im not. But if you want to compare the two: Bj has better boxing, and better jitz. GSP has better strength, cardio, athletiscm, kicks and wrestling. there both great fighters and its going to be a great fight. Personally i think GSP is going to win in the fourth or fifth round beacuse i believe his cardio and conditioning is way above BJ’s, even still that BJ is now training hard. And you don’t sound very confident to me, your already using GSP’s size as an excuse.

im saying his size will NOT matter (but he only finishes fights that are in his favor in many catagorys including size, but the UFC decides that so o’well), you dont get it, im saying Georges is NOT going to win, BJ Penn will win, what excuses are needed for that?

You will need PLENTY of excuses for how bad GSP will beat him and I’m sure you’ll come up with some good ones too.

Your never gonna live it down Gord, you’ll disappear, that’s what you’ll do, we wont see you on the forums for months, untill GSP gets back into the W column.

TRUTH!

Anyone who is 100% sure that either fighter is going to win is delusional. There’s no way you can break down this fight in an unbiased way and know without a doubt that one guy is going to win. I don’t see BJ winning a decision because GSP isn’t going to take the misguided Sean Sherk approach and have it be a kickboxing match, or be controlled on the ground. But I also don’t think he’ll finish BJ unless he wears him down for a couple rounds and tires him out. I think BJ could catch GSP a la Matt Serra early on, but I don’t see him ending the fight in the later rounds. My prediction: if the fight ends within the first two rounds BJ will win, if it ends in the last two rounds (including a decision) GSP will win, and if it ends in the third round it’s a toss up.

im no expert or anything, but im just wondering..if bj’ssuch a stand up god then how come he wasn’t able to knock out gsp while he was bloody and hurt, in fact he wasn’t even able to win that fight (i’m sure the bj nuthuggers are gonna bring in the cardio excuse again) how come it took himj three rounds to tko seark ?( whereas gsp needed only 2 rounds to destroy sherk)

Also…i think gsp has faced tougher opponents than penn and has looked more dominant in his fights compared to penn. ..Penn’s last three opponents were:

jens pulver: a mediocre fighter who naturally fights at 145.

Joe stevenson: a pretty solid fighter, but not among the very elite in mma.

sean sherk: a talented wrestler with a dumb game plan to stand with penn.

now lets look at gsp’s opponents:

josh koscheck: went to the decision, but gsp completely dominated him the whole time and put him(an ncaa wresttling champ) on his back multiple times.

matt hughes: one of the most decorated fighters in mma history was toyed around with and subbed in the second.

fitch: undefeated in the ufc until he met gsp…went to the decision(i know bj nuthuggers) but was DOMINATED in every aspect of the game.

and lets not forget that gsp already beat bj penn, it was close but it was still a definite win.

….now that ive made my point, let the bj penn excuses begin….

jens was a pro boxer with sick hands and din has better striking than kenny florian. why wouldn’t you consider them great strikers? and before bj gave them both the beat down no one could stop sherk or stevenson and a lot of people thought that sherk and stevenson would get the nod in those fights. gsp fans are gonna be pissed in the next two years when he loses to penn, alves and possible silva. you will not be impressed with his performance.

Dont see him losing to any of those guys, Alves Is on a roll But sucks off his back, Whos the best wrestler in MMa Gsp! Bj fight is prolly gonna be the same as the last one, And the Anderson silva fight will probably go like the Gsp/Bj fight-If Travis Luter and Hendo can get Anderson down Gsp will and hes a hell of alot more active then Hendo and Luter on the ground. Anyone who isnt Impressed with his performance Watch the Jon FISH fight,Hughes,Trigg,Serra2,

Kicks lead to takedowns. BJ has known this his entire career and thats why he doesnt thrown them often, George will learn this in this fight, kick to takedown to sub, BJ Round 1.

You’re smoking rocks…this is going to be a good old fashioned, backwoods Quebec beat-down. What makes you think GSP will get submitted this time…he didn’t last time. The supposed damage he took in their first fight was a bloody nose, and an eye-jammy…that’s it. GSP is going to ground out BJ this time for sure.

ok . . .

its so awesome when you make a joke and a guy gets a sandy vagina from it. but quit faulting a guy for having size as an advantage. is anderson silva too big for MW, how about forrest at LHW. besides the term “best pound for pound” just means hes tough for his size but will still lose to any decent HW. already sounds like there is an excuse if your boyfriend loses.

ps. tell us honestly adamg, do you masturbate to images of bj penn?