I just hope people call stop dissing Brock. He is what the HW Div. needed in the UFC. He is here, he puts his heart into this sport(Just like he did Wrestling in collage and H.S.,Football, and "the entertaining buisness.). After all, he did beat Randy senceless.

Hyping guys that are overrated

I don’t think he’s talking about lesnar per say. My take on this is that you are not suppose to be learning at this level in the game if that makes any sense. That’s why you don’t see guys like Fedor improving by leaps and bounds. He already has the skills, it’s just a matter of application. This might set a precedent for getting guys with draw to the top fast and thin out the skill level at the top. This results in your typical japanese freakshow because out of all the guys who come to MMA that can draw – how many will be a lesnar?

Overrated….Hmmm….He is now in his 4th fight the HW champ. I don’t see him as “overrated” at all. Was he “pushed”? Sure…business is business. But he is about where he should be on most HW ranking lists. I would agree with your comment if he were being ranked #1 or #2 on some lists but he’s not…You might as well get used to the FACT that Lesnar is here to stay and no matter how much whining anyone does he is the champ for now.

JV Do you realize that there is mma outside of the UFC? Mentioning Anderson Silva and Rampage as fighters who got title shots for just 1 win is ignorant.They both had lengthy careers with quality wins in other orgs. before competing in the UFC. Unlike Lesnar who draws so many ppv viewers because pro wresting fans buy UFC ppv’s that he’s on as well as UFC fans.

Just wait until he gets a solid ground game. You’re right abour Brock. There is a world of difference between him and Kimbo. Kimbo dodged true competition while Brock welcomes it.

Absolutly right JV, people never complain when they are a fan of the guy getting a title shot. Nate Quarry didn’t deserve one, a lot of people think Forrest didn’t deserve one. If you complain about one you should complain about all or just shut up and enjoy the fights.

OK BNF, so you say Quarry didn’t deserve one? Isn’t that conmplaining about the same thing you just told me not to? Maybe you should just shut up and enjoy the rest of this post, instead of twisting around the facts to suit your argument, which is a thin one at best.

JV, the rest is for you.

1-BJ was already widely regarded as a top LW, and had held a championship before

2-BJ stepped up to face Hughes, due to lack of a contender at WW

3-Anderson was already a Cage Rage champ and Pride veteran with an impressive record

4-Rampage had beaten Chuck once before, and Chuck wanted to avenge the loss, and Rampage had been fighting top competetion, and hadn’t lost in a long time

All these guy had impressive careers going into their title fights. They didn’t walk out of pro wrestling, and then get booted off a pro football team. Brock is a talent and a beast, don’t get me wrong. But he should have to pay his dues first. There are alot of HW’s out there that have been working and training alot longer, and have better records. By your logic, maybe Kimbo should get a title shot since he seems to be so popular and such a big money maker, even though he doesn’t deserve it.

If Kimbo started fighting top competition and winning, then sure I’d call for him to get title shot.

BTW, all 4 of these fights were won by the challenger, either by KO or submission.

Utap, you should be hating on Randy not Brock. Randy screwed up the whole HW division with his BS antics. He decide to come back and fight. Who would you suggest he fight? Nog and Mir were already doing the show. Should the UFC have put him agaisn’t Werdum who was 2-1 in the UFC or Carwin 8-0 at the time agaisn’t unknowns and was unknown himself? Who? That would have sold a bunch of PPV’s. Or maybe they should put together the biggest fight possible and Brock won so he obviously deserved to be there. UFC is a business. They are not here to please you. How do you not get it? They had the 2nd biggest PPV of the year behind De La Hoya/Pacqiuo. If they took your advice they would be out of business and you would have nothing complain about.

BTW, sorry if the “shut up” sounded confrontational, it wasn’t directed specfically at you. :)

BNF, I do agree that Randy’s antics are BS. It probably is more Randy and Dana’s fault. I’m just worried that its going to be come TOO MUCH about the money, and the PPV draw, which would ruin our sport. Randy/Brock was a huge fight, and I did enjoy watching it, but I think the whole thing was done wrong. I think Randy should have had his belt stripped for taking a whole year off. It seems like everyone is overlooking Nog, who I think will find a way to beat Brock, if he gets past Mir. And I think he will definitely get past Mir. IMO, Brock should have had to fight Carwin, Velazquez, or Kongo, or even a combination of two of those guys first. I know my argument looks weak because he beat Randy, but what if he loses to Nog or MIr again? What if he loses to Fedor whenever he does sign with the UFC? What if he ends up losing to Carwin, who has better MMA skills than Brock does? He will be exposed as a fraud, which is what I think he is. Again, kind of similar to Kimbo, but with more actual talent and credentials.

Got it… I just don’t like the hate for a hard working guy who seized an opportunity and made the most of it. I hate on guys like Koscheck and Hughes because their personalities are horrible. Brock was humble and respectful when he won the belt. I just hope if he does beat the winner of Mir/Nog you will give him his due. One thing we can agree on is BJ BJ BJ!!!!

Lol, very good point. And if he does beat Mir or Nog, I will definitely give him his due. Hell I see him as a force to be reckioned with already. I guess I’m just butthurt because giving Randy a fight with Brock instead of Nog was absolutely wrong IMO. I know that Nog was tied up, but that doesn’t mean that I have to like the circumstances. I also wish that Brock had as much skill as he has size, strength, and athleticism. Thats why I have always hated Tim Sylvia. He has very little real talent, but always skated on by because he’s huge and strong. Take either one of them and shrink them down to about 230 or 240, with the skills they possess, and theyre average at best. BTW, I do recognize that Brock has alot more skill, and a Sh*tload more potential than Tim.

Ok I’m not sure what that is, but don’t put words in my mouth. I respect the fight game. I have trained in the fight game. Brock would deserve alot more respect if he put the time in, climbed the ladder, and earned it, like everyone else does. There are several other contenders he could have fought first, that wouldn’t be considered low rank. Besides, he walked away from a contract with the WWE because he got bored of it. He flopped at pro football. Who’s to say he wont drop MMA in a couple years to go and try out for pro boxing or world’s strongest man, because he got bored again?

Utap, Brock didnt just walk away cause he was bored! Do some research about why he left the UFC. Your (whos to say) words mean nothing. Whos to say BJ Penn isnt g@y? Whos to say Fedor isnt a p*ssy? See what I mean? People are just tripping cause hes a former WWE star. But what was he suppose to do? Take peanuts at the time in MMA? Or take millions at pro wrestling? (what would you do?) Phillipe Nover a former nurse! Franklin a former teacher! And there are many others! Brock was a wrestler! A martial art in MMA right? So Brock came from something fake, he has shown hes for real right???

JV, you make a very valid point, except you didn’t point out why he “actually” left the WWE. What research have you done to point to the contrary? To anmswer your question, he hasn’t shown me he is for real yet, at least not HW champion of the most important MMA promotion in the world for real. He beat an absolute nobody in japan, lost to Mir, decisioned, although dominated Herring(basically a very low level gatekeeper), and beat Randy, who IMO has always been overrated, and is too old and slow now. If he gets past a guy like Nog, then I’ll give him his due credit, but I don’t see it happening.

I’m not just criticizing Brock. Dana never should have given him the opportunity. I think alot of it had to do with the fact that Randy wanted to fight a big name, and wouldn’t come back to fight a guy with a smaller name. And I still believe that he’s been ducking Big Nog the whole time. Randy just doesn’t have the right tools to beat him, and he knows it. Flame away, because I have a valid argument here. I can defend it. Bring it on.

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Wow…go away

Please tell me where he’s going to fight? Elite – Nope!
Affliction – Nope! (they’ll stop showing by the time he mends from his back op), Dream – Nope! Strikeforce – nope (he’d rather retire than fight for 50K per fight)

That only leaves a return to the UFC which I can’t see happening.

Lets face it Fighting is not Tito’s main priority anymore.

You’re out of your mind.To say Tito is not going to fight ever again is insane.

Tell me where he’s going to fight then. Only the UFC have the money to pay him what he wants.

I’m a big fan of the old Tito (befor the porn star showed up) but his dedication to the sport was his main strength and without that he is well outside the top ten LHW’s in the world.

when I put …..seriously. after a comment it tends to mean I was making a throw away comment in jest!

Kimbo brought EliteXC a nationally televised program with an product vastly inferior to the UFC – hence why it failed.

That’s not why it failed you imbecile!

So they didn’t go bust because they spent more than they earned? Wow you must have a really good theory that I can’t wait to hear! Tell me more…..

Geez….Thank you Mr. Obvious. Irregardless of the “range” between classes the FACT remains that virtually all fighters weigh in at the max possible weight.