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Dana White: '[Expletive]' Jon Fitch -- Update

"We’re looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I’m just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it’s not even funny. Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren’t partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them.... I’m not a douche bag and I do a lot for these guys, a lot more than any of you will ever know. We’re in a horrible time in the economy now, and every guy with two nickels to rub together is making a run at us. We’ve worked too hard, given too much, to let certain guys come in and [expletive] with that."

-- UFC President Dana White fumes via Yahoo!Sports.com about the situation that went down earlier this evening surrounding the release of Jon Fitch for not signing an agreement that would give the promotion exclusive lifetime video game rights to his name and likeness. White appears to be most heated about the management team that represents most of the fighters out of American Kickboxing Academy (AKA), Zinkin Entertainment. In fact, he says that with the exception of Chuck Liddell, Mike Swick and more than likely Forrest Griffin (who are also represented by Zinkin Entertainment) that other top fighters such as Josh Koscheck and Cain Velasquez are also possibly on the outs. "Kos," as of press time, is still scheduled to headline UFC Fight Night 16: "Fight for the Troops" on December 13. However, after reading these comments who knows what the future holds. This is madness.

Update: White was on "The Carmichael Dave" radio show and had this to say:

"No, no, no. It has nothing to do with an agreement. It doesn’t have to do with Jon Fitch either. I like Jon Fitch. I’ve never had a bad word with Jon Fitch. The problem is with the idiots that run AKA. I won’t use any names; the idiots know who they are."

Clearly, according to him, the issue goes much deeper than the video game deal.

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DAMN!!! this is serious stuff!! I dont really no who to blame for this! fitch could of just signed the paper and thats that but noooo..

by matthew on Nov 20, 2008 1:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

http://www.tapoutlive.com/images/mags/ufc_legal.pdf

I think this may be the Likeness contract that Dana wants everyone to sign. From what this guy says, this contract is really unfair for fighters, so I can see why Fitch doesn’t want to sign his likeness away for life. Dave Meltzer points out that Koscheck and Cain Valesquez may be cut next, since they share the same agent and are from AKA.

by Chris W on Nov 20, 2008 1:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“….with the exception of Chuck Liddell, Mike Swick, and more than likely Forrest Griffin”

No shit! I don’t see them cutting the biggest draw in UFC history, or the current lhw champion. Swick may have had to break out the knee pads to keep his job though.

by naturalshadow on Nov 20, 2008 2:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

too many expletives here. F*ck Dana!

by Syd[a.k.a. "The Negation"] on Nov 20, 2008 2:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how many times have i tried to tell you guys this stuff? this is exactly why fedor, hansen, and many other fighters have not signed with the UFC… everyone wants to defend the UFC and their nonsense but now u guys see the light, bask in it

by brendan on Nov 20, 2008 2:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Business is business. It’s like getting pulled over for a DWI/DUI, if you deny a sobriety test, you’re presumed guilty. If you take it, you could be effed. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Whatever, the guy has had 2 exciting fights(Alves and GSP). He had his butt kicked in both, and happened to win one.

by rockwell on Nov 20, 2008 2:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rockwell.. i know mma might be new to you, but Fitch is a phenominal fighter. Thus indicated by the rankings that had him as no 2 in his division before the GSP fight and No. 2 after. plus, a 15 fight win streak.. uhm… yeah… just have those TPS reports to me by friday.

by Javster on Nov 20, 2008 2:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am usually proud to admit that I agree with Dana but here I cannot say that I do. This is a terrible call on his part and shows a lot of disrespect towards the fighters within his company. I understand not wanting to have your fighters fight in different promotions and I understand saying I don’t want you to be in a video game for any other promotion WHILE YOUR UNDER OUR LABEL, but to try and get a lifetime agreement that is just BS. I sincerly hope Dana reads this because cutting Fitch, Kos, and Cain will severly hurt their respective weight classes. Your talking about Fitch who was just no. one contender, Kos who fought for no. 1 contender and Cain who is an has an extremely bright future at a weak HW division. If anyone on this site tries to reason on Dana’s side with this issue they are ignorant. Straight up!

by Cogito Ergo Sum on Nov 20, 2008 7:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crap like this is why I am happy that Fedor will never kneel down to Dana the Dictator!

by john on Nov 20, 2008 7:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

john, go to fiveouncesofpain.com and listen to Dana Whites radio interview on the situation! I agree with Dana on this! Its a f*ckin video game!!! How much exposure would that have brought Fitch? And it was Fitchs handlers that f*cked everything up!

by JV on Nov 20, 2008 8:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jv: http://www.matratz.com/2008/11/20/jon-fitch-interview-4/

This is an interview with Fitch about what happened. Fitch was down with signing a 5 or 10 year deal, he just wasnt comfortable signing a lifetime deal and I can understand that.

Basically the UFC is about to cut a bunch of top fighters over a video game! hahaha Dana the Dictator! So glad that Fedor will never Kneel to that scumbag!

Wait till Violentmike gets on here. He is going to be furious! Fitch is his boy!

by john on Nov 20, 2008 8:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed…JV, Hey Fitch you are not Tom Cruise get over yourself, it’s a freakin video game for crying out loud….Affliction done after Jan, then he will be crying back to daddy

by Robert on Nov 20, 2008 8:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s bosses like dana that cause employees to form unions for protection. It’s sad that people with character and morals are used as scare tactics. Hopefully other fighters support Fitch and Dana takes a Midol…

by Arnold on Nov 20, 2008 8:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Arnold, its a case of the handlers, it had nothing to do with the game! You do realize that theres always two sides to a story right?

by JV on Nov 20, 2008 8:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

JV – why is everyone else always an a$$hole with dana? If it’s just a video game then why does dana give a $hit if Fitch is in it or not???? Maybe because dana will profit from the ‘f*ckin video game’

In five years the name White will be synonymous with Shaw…

by Arnold on Nov 20, 2008 8:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Arnold, your taking this all wrong! Go to fiveouncesofpain.com and listen to the interview! And ofcourse the UFC needs to make their money! How do you think they put Fitch on posters? How do you think they do press conferences for Fitch? And all the other 1000’s of thing they do for Fitch to have a fight career? How much exposure would Fitch get in a video game? Are the promoters not suppose to make money? Im not saying everyone else is always an @sshole, but in this case, I think Danas right!

by JV on Nov 20, 2008 8:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.tapoutlive.com/images/mags/ufc_legal.pdf

Thanks for the great article Chris.

by Arnold on Nov 20, 2008 8:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fitch is a boring fighter to watch unless he’s fighting someone exciting, so who cares if I cant use him or Kos in the UFC game. So much for wanting to be imortalized.

Truth is the game would have made him look good and increased his status, it will for all the fighters in it.

by Ro-J on Nov 20, 2008 9:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

john, thats only one side of the story though! Dana didnt say anything bad about Fitch! Danas talking about the guys that run AKA. He said he wants nothing to do with those guys. So fighters like Kos and Cain havent even talked to Dana about where they stand. Its more than just a video game issue john!

by JV on Nov 20, 2008 9:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t care if it was GSP or a no-name. The point is that dana is scared of other fighters not signing their life away. Dana is so full of $hit, he only cares about the money, that’s it. Reminds me of Gary Shaw, but Shaw has more hair.

Listen to John’s response, he only wants to fight. He was even asking to talk direct to Dana. I think dana is using fitch as an example so he doesn’t get more resistance from his big ticket fighters like BJ, GSP, or Lesner. Dana is probably blowing Lesner as we speak.

by Arnold on Nov 20, 2008 9:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude you still dont get it! It has to be a lifetime deal cause Fitch will always be on that game! Fitch made 169K to fight GSP, do you still feel bad for him? Do you think he will have the same sponsors anywhere else? Its like putting a Billboard at time square in NY (UFC) or putting it in Flint Michigan (Affliction) No offense to guys in Flint but I hear its a sh*t hole! Fitch is a moron for letting his handlers f*ck things up!

by JV on Nov 20, 2008 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is the 2nd quote in the thread supposed to be from Dana as well? He says that he never said anything bad about Fitch, yet in the first quote its “expletive Fitch” this and “expetlve Fitch” that.

EXPLETIVE YOU DANA WHITE!!!!!!!!

Its just really too bad that Affliction doesn’t have a good crop of WW’s, especially since Fitch and Kos don’t fight each other. This is one time that I sure wish that EliteXC was still around. Fitch vs Jake Shields is a fight I’ve been wanting to see for a long time now. Cain Valazquez on the other hand can make a nice addition to the big crop of HWs Affliction already has.

I STILL can’t believe this!

I’m about to go looking right now, but has anyone read Fitch’s side of the story????

by ViolentMike on Nov 20, 2008 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly cant decide if this is good or bad behavior by the UFC. Part of me says that yeah its kind of BS to have the UFC say “sign or goodbye.” But the other part of me thinks that its ok only because thats what every other sports association does. Think about how the NFL sign exclusive rights to all players names and teams to EA Sports. No other company can make a football game and use NFL logos, names, teams, or anything. Kind of the same thing. Granted the UFC isnt on the same level as the NFL. But this is probably them trying to make the UFC the official MMA “league” I guess?

Dont know what to make of it.

by djintencity on Nov 20, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I first found out about this news this morning watching SportsCenter, I seen in scroll throug the BottomLine and I had to rewind it because I couldn’t believe it!

It gave props to MMAmania.com saying that they broke the story. AWESOME JOB!!!!!!

DId anyone else catch that?

by ViolentMike on Nov 20, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WHY DO I STILL HAVE A POST IN LIMBO???

It was my most important post on this thread and its been at least a half hour… I explain the facts of the situation with two sites used as references and I included the links, both of which I found on this site postd by other people????

Can you please post it?

by ViolentMike on Nov 20, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Swick spoke to Dana personally and said that he will do anyting to continue to fight in the UFC. THat is why he is still there.

Fitch has yet to speak to Dana personally.

by ViolentMike on Nov 20, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kos and Cain both of fights right around the corner, one of which Kos is headlining. Dana has said some pretty harsh words in regards to Cain. Expect him to be released after nis next fight.

by ViolentMike on Nov 20, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is not JUST about a video game. It is a maketing deal where the fighters sell thier souls to the UFC.

Here are just a few of the stipulations:

- Fighters get 10% of gross revenue for sales of their merchandice (VERY low)
- Prohibits the fighters from selling autographed photos
- “THe agreement operates to strip even the fighter himself of the opportunity to profit on his own identity in the marketplace … forever”
- All terms last forever even if a fighter is cut or dies
-Fighter is required to make 6 appearances per year and recieve zero compensation.
- It does NOT offer any royalty or license payment for VIDEO GAMES OR DVD’s

Also, if the fighter were to die, the UFC would keep all the money, ZERO would go to the family of the fighter!!! In other words, if Fitch signed the deal, and tragically died next year, the UFC can make commemmorative Jon Fitch Figurines and they would make 100% of the money and his family wouldn’t get a penny. That is CRAZY UNFAIR!

by ViolentMike on Nov 20, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

@ JAVSTER. I’m anything but new to MMA. I didn’t say that Fitch wasn’t good, that’s undeniable. But my point was that he is boring. Boring, Boring, Boring, at least from my personal stand point.

by rockwell on Nov 20, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice find. Is this readily available for people to read? Because it’s pretty damning evidence of what the UFC is always being accused of doing.

by NameNotRequired on Nov 20, 2008 2:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Take it with a grain of salt, as there are no sources to confirm that it is real or this is the kind they offered to Fitch. But if it is indeed true, there are some really unfair parts of the contract. They can still use your likeness if you retire or get cut, they do have to reveal how much they made from your likeness so you don’t know if you are really getting your 10%-20%, among others.
     Now I know NFL, NBA, and MLB have similar likeness contracts that you sign as a rookie, so I’m curious what kind of contracts those sports organizations to compare what is same and different from the UFC kind. Remember in old basketball games in the 90’s? Michael Jordan refused to sign this contract and he was just appear as Number 23 in video games.

by Chris W on Nov 20, 2008 2:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MMAWeekly has an interview with fitch up that basically says that this contract also goes to the core of this issue. This was the merchandising agreement that zuffa tried to force everyone to sign e.g the warmachine fiasco (there are so many of them). Everyone turned this down though but i guess it wasn’t over. This supposedly is a THQ vs EA sports issue on the side of zuffa and the duration of the agreement from the fighter’s perspective.

by NameNotRequired on Nov 20, 2008 2:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a jon Fitch interview where he dicusses what just happened being cut by the UFC. Basically Fitch wanted to sign a 5 or 10 year deal, but he wasnt comfortable signing any lifetime contracts (rightfully so). Wellish was going to sign but was cut to send a message to Fitch and Kos (sucks for Christian)

If I were Koschek, and about to get cut…I would screw the UFC and not show up for the main event fight against Yoshida. Show up for the weigh ins, but not show up for the fight!

by john on Nov 20, 2008 8:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

john, it has to be a lifetime deal on a video game! Fitch will forever be on that game right? Whats the big f*ckin deal with that? Do you think if Fitch ever leaves the UFC that they would still use him in future games? F*CK NO they wouldnt!!! This is a case of the HANDLERS screwing things up again! Just listen to the Dana interview on fiveouncesofpain.com and see weres Danas coming from!

by JV on Nov 20, 2008 8:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

JV, I totally agree. Everybody is so blinded by their hate for Dana that they assume it has to be his fault. OF COURSE it is a lifetime deal. IT IS A VIDEO GAME!!! Who gives a sh*t?? And like you said, if they cut Fitch in the future and made a new version of the game, do you really think they would put him it and promote him while he is fighting for another org? You sure as hell will never see an Affliction video game so who cares.

by BNF on Nov 20, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

F*** a lifetime contract, seriously. Who would sign that S&^%? I have a degree in buisness managment, and anyone who signs a lifetime contract is an idiot, plain and simple so I say f#*% you Uncle Fester look alike Dana white

by LOKIE on Nov 21, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m posting w/o checking the link first. But, a lifetime exclusive rights contract? That’s ridiculous unless the fighters get paid EVERY time their likeness is used. That’s just common sense and I wouldn’t blame anyone for not wantin to do that. To sign away your likeness is signing away a TON of cash! If this is as it sounds I’m 100% in disagreement w/ Dana (and I tend to support him more than most).To drop Fitch, Koscheck and Valesquez over this? Sounds petty and silly. You don’t drop top contenders and up and coming stars over crap like a dumb@ss video game for little kids (don’t mean to insult the “gamers” here) that most fans won’t buy. Will Fertita step in on this?

by chefdaddy on Nov 20, 2008 2:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s a good thread on another popular site (rhymes with “her dog”) that shows that this article is propaganda and spin. They don’t even have sources. It’s just a magazine article. They’re not exactly the most reliable media.

It’s not what I would have done in Dana’s position, but I understand his motive. And I’m not sure what I would have done if I was in Fitch’s shoes. The details are still unclear, but it would be silly to leave the biggest MMA org if it’s just over video game and product rights. In his lifetime, the odds are the UFC will make more video games, action figures, and fighter products (shirts, mugs, etc.) that any other org will. Do you honestly see any other org becoming big enough that they will have a product line for their fighters? And if they do, do you think it will sell as much as UFC products?

This isn’t at all uncommon in the entertainment industry. For example, most voice actors CANNOT exclusively profit off their character’s voices. Dan Castellaneta can’t just go around and use his Homer Simpson voice as he pleases.

by Pat on Nov 20, 2008 3:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AWESOME FIND CHRIS W.! I scanned the contract… White is gonna’ throw the fighters a bone for UFC merchandise. Are they making money now, is the UFC hustling this merchandise? The $$$ is definitely in DVD’s n’ Video Games that White was so happy to show it’s creation in his BLOG.

DANA WHITE:

“Looking for guys to work with us” = I’ll let u stay in the UFC, sign everything for life or else.

“I do a lot for these guys” = I paid your hospital bill, sign everything for life or else.

“I’m not a douchebag” = My Super Ego tells me I’m not a douchebag but my ID is really a douchebag.

There’s guys on here that are going to say it’s a business… YEAH’ I AGREE… but Dana, don’t get crazy when we think you do things that are BOXING PROMOTER DOUCHEBAGISH! JUST ADMIT IT… then I’d at least we’ll all be on the same page.

Dana White is a lot like a cheesy boxing promoter and in this way worse.

Don King use to give fighter’s thousands in cash up front to sign with him, these guys have never seen a brick of 10k much less 100k. King owned a monopoly of fighters and the only way a fighter could move forward was to sign with King and break off old ties. Anyway, that’s another story.

Dana White (with variation), signs them to small $$ contracts, gives cash bonuses at his discreation, make them feel grateful & obligated. White learned a lot from his old boxing days, he’s a shark.

by THORAZINE on Nov 20, 2008 4:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree…. even murderers get off after 25 years. To sign your life away like that may impact future employment like acting, etc., who knows??? I wouldn’t do it and am glad these guys are standing up for themselves.

This is also why I think more than one MMA organization is good… competition is good, it helps keep them honest.

by DJ on Nov 20, 2008 6:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lost in moderation for 6 hours!!!!

by chefdaddy on Nov 20, 2008 8:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see some nonbiased info about this… that site was obviously not that!

by 1-0 via Arm Triangle on Nov 20, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ARM TRIANGLE, all u have to do is read it, the main points are there, then decide for youself. That’s what I did.

by THORAZINE on Nov 20, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probly Dana’s fault. A lot of high profile fighters and good prospects. Also The army fight card will also take a hit without Kos. This is also on the heel of Lindland’s movie – fight politics. This is gonna turn into an avalanche.

by NameNotRequired on Nov 20, 2008 1:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting you brought up Lindland, since I think this is a very similar case. Do you think the UFC has missed Lindland, even though he’s a top fighter? All Lindland has done is take a big paycheck every now and then, after which the org folds. He got paid by the WFA, they folded. He got paid by Bodog, they folded. He got paid by Affliction,… He may not have earned as much per fight in the UFC, but he probably would have made the same amount of money over that span because he wouldn’t have had to idle so much, and he would have made more in sponsorship money.

I’m a computer science student. When I go and look for a job, I’d rather work at a stable company for less money and exclusive rights to my work than for a company that would pay me more and give me more freedom but could go under.

by Pat on Nov 20, 2008 3:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your position and actually i would agree with you. But the fighters do not generate any revenue from signing this deal only exposure to the public. The lindland movie might serve as a catalyst for exposing the management style of the UFC to the uneducated masses. Highly unlikely but if these kinds of breaking news keep compounding then for sure i can forsee such an event.

by NameNotRequired on Nov 20, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

KEVIN"S HONEST OPINION*********
So this is about a video game?! Only a video game?! Not owning his name like WWE does with it’s guys, not a lifetime exclusive contract with UFC, but a video game! If this were actual news, I’d be hearing Rampage or Brock, Silva or Wand wouldn’t sign! BJ and GSP on the game? This is John Fitch!! I’ve been thinking about what I want to feel for a few hours now, and to me it’s laughable! Let me ask the honest obvious question: who would John Fitch be without the UFC? Honestly!! Now I’m not a John Fitch fan, but this could be Randy or Nog, and I’d be saying the same thing! What Fitch (and a whole lot of mmamaniacs) don’t understand, this is a business first and foremost! The company has to make money right? You guys all seem to forget this fact! If the UFC doesn’t make money and have sponsors and endorsements, there is no UFC! I know, thats good right?! How long has it taken Dana and the UFC to start making cash and becoming main stream? But listening to some of you guys day in and day out is laughable, like the UFC owes it’s fighters something! Ask this next time you complain about pay and how fighters are treated, without Dana White or the UFC, what would Chuck or tito be doing with there lives? To me, it’s a simple decision, sign the contract and take the money, you’re John Fucking Fitch! This would be news if it were a marketable guy! Once again, it’s my opinion, and bash me if you like, but I feel I bring up some valid points. I can guarantee they weren’t asking him to sign and giving him nothing! And let me stress, it’s a video game, not a percentage of future earnings!
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Now to TUF! Man (deep sigh) out of 1000’s and 1000’s of fighters in this country and around the world,these are the best 16 guys they could find? And in the WEEKS leading up to this fight, Nog couldn’t teach a little ground game to John. I like Nog, but he’s a little too hung up (every week) on a guys heart, get over it, his skill on the ground lost the fight, not his heart!
You’ll be surprised, I was rooting for John, and liked the fact that a nice guy was on the show! It was refreshing seeing someone “hug” rather than cuss and talk shit, drinking every night!
I’d love for the finals to be
elliot/vinny
nover/efrain
I really just am disappointed with the talent (or lack of talent) on the show. I could drive 10 minutes (guaranteed) and find a guy or two that could beat these easily! I mean in seasons past, there was some actual talent, can you see more than 3 or 4 guys that are decent here?
sorry for the long rant, but I had to do it.
you guys are going to disagree and say the UFC wants to own these guys, it’s a video game, it’s called “UFC,” not John Fitches “mma game.” Who does he fight for? UFC (not anymore), not John Fitch’s mma organization! And finally, Who is John Fitch besides the most unmarketable guy around!

by kevin on Nov 20, 2008 2:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree and dis agree you can say that Chuck/Tito/Randy/hell even go back to Shamrock/Gracie/Hughes/GSp/-would be nothing with outh the UFC,but in that same sentance the UFC would be nothing with out those guys. Yes i know its Jon Fitch, Not Chuck or Wandi Or GSP or A silva, But who Knows what he will become. Just my thoughts, I LOVE MMA, trueley,UFC is the Marketing King at mma they do have most of the best, But I do think a Fighters Union would be a great thing for them to have, the UFC markets them and puts there name out there but thats only half the job the other half is going in and fighting your ass off some fighters dont make shit. Still undecited who is int the wrong here could be both though.

by DBG on Nov 20, 2008 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Got to agree with you Kevin. 90% of the people here hate Dana so they always point the finger at him because their emotional about it. If you think about it logically Fitch is the fool. Or maybe he is the smartest guy around and the 30 other fighters on the game are the real fools. Why has not 1 other fighter complained? Get real… Anybody who is defending Fitch is blind. He should be honored anybody even asked him to be imortalized in a video game. Does he think Affliction will do that for him? Maybe he is just one of those guys who knows he will never be a UFC champ and wants some kind of belt so this is an easy way out of his contract.

by BNF on Nov 20, 2008 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post! None of us would even be discussing this if it wasn’t for UFC. This site used to be called UFCMania. UFC is his boss. If he doen’t follow their rules then he should find another job. UFC is MMA.

by Chainlink on Nov 20, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

UFC is GOD!

by Syd[a.k.a. "The Negation"] on Nov 23, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i knew you would come with a pro dana white ufc spin, you always do. i figured you would take a minute to find a wasy to spins this in danas favor, you love that guy more than any fighter.

by roy on Nov 20, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one more thing “Looking for guys to work WITH us,” so they were offering money too. kinda sad!!

by kevin on Nov 20, 2008 2:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

speculation, do you know all the details?

by roy on Nov 20, 2008 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one simple question: besides Fedor (who isn’t really known in the U.S. but is huge globally),
__________________ (enter any fighter on UFC rosters name) would be where without the UFC?!!!

by kevin on Nov 20, 2008 2:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More to the point can you name one fighter who is going to be making any money out of MMA outside the UFC in 2-3yrs time.

Like it or not all the other orgs are going to fold and we will have a monopoly on our hands.

I think Fitch is being a little stubburn i mean how many other fighters signed the contract??

Also this is all marketing for him so he can charge more to his sponsers.

Message to Fitch, don’t bite the hand that feeds you, it will bite back.

by Nick J on Nov 20, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the more and more articles I read and responses I hear, the more I think “it’s for video games.” Does Fitch think without the UFC, or in 5-10 years time, he’ll be involved in any video games?

by kevin on Nov 20, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow kevin, youre really opening yourself up there, Wanderlei Silva, Quinton Jackson, Mirko Cro Cop, Mark Coleman, Dan Henderson were all HUGE starts in PRIDE… just to name a few

by brendan on Nov 20, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true, and how many video games were they in pre UFC? How many video games is fedor in?

by kevin on Nov 20, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wwho cares how many video games they were in…they arent making any real money off the game….

by john on Nov 20, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this isn’t my words, but I thought it was a good breakdown:

.The lifetime likeness rights.. A lot of you are not understanding what this means exactly. This is not a deal that says they will use his image “without” compensation. He, like many others are probably offered a “points” deal. Meaning he gets a very “small” percentage of a single dollar.. For example: he may get 2 cents to the dollar for each unit sold. Without seeing the language of the contract I’m just speculating. But this is typical standard practice for gaming licensing. Often times people have the assumption that licensing fee’s are worth a lot of money in the gaming industry, this is generally not the case. Think of the Madden series.. NFL players give up their likeness rights with little compensation.. It’s more so a gamble on the UFC’s part in this case. They’re paying upfront cost’s for the production of the game. I’m sure it’s a pretty penny. This is a gamble on all parts. If the game does well, then there stands to be money made on the backend for everyone.. Is it alot of money ?? Who knows.. If the game flops then the UFC looses out the money they spent on production of the game. Which is a lot too.. All they’re basically saying is that they reserve the right to alter the game without the consent of each individual fighter.. This time around they need every fighter’s personal consent to use the image of the fighter. They dont want to have to keep going around and negotiating everytime they want to release a game or DVD in the future.. They want to expand merchandising.. So they want to have the ability “Like other major sports franchises” to be able to do so, without having to negotiate with each individual person for the use of the image. What they’re trying to do is compound MMA as UFC. Making 1 official “brand” and building from there.. I see no problem with it myself..

If the fighters or managers disagree, then simply dont sign and walk away.. No harm.. no foul.. Just have a clear picture of what they’re trying to accomplish and then decide for yourself if this is something that you’re willing to do.. IT’s not like they would continue to use you once the contract is up and you’re out of the UFC. You dont see Madden using Barry Sanders now that he is out of the NFL.. (unlocked teams dont count.. There is no single definition to the individual, only numbers

by kevin on Nov 20, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You used the term “looses”, LOL!

by Syd[a.k.a. "The Negation"] on Nov 23, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dana has come out and said that there are over 80 fighters in teh video game, so not everyone has a problem with this contract

by 1-0 via Arm Triangle on Nov 20, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why should the guy be forced to sign his life away, he shouldnt have to and he should be able to negotiate with the ufc. To me the ufc is run as a my wy or the highway which can provide huge benefits to them as a company or kill them as a company and moves like this are going to kill them as a company. Why not let him sign this deal for ten years and then if he is happy with it at the end he will resign it, look at all the other major sports they dont have to sign their lives away to be in a video game and those games are most likely to be more popular than the ufc game, and why the hell would u want jon fitch still in the ufc game in 50 years nobody is going to no who he is he will be some old fart sitting around doint nothing all day. The ufc makes alot of smart business decisions but they also make some horrible ones, if you dont like his management team why not try to work directly with jon fitch before cutting him and why would you cut josh koscheck, jon fitch two of your top welterweights and your up and coming future star of the heavy weight division in cain velasquez for having the same management company as other stars such as forrest griffin and chuck liddell it only makes sense if you cut everybody with that management company and not just a few of them who are not quite as big, but have the potential to be as big, the ufc is making a horrible mistake and they are making me less of a fan, maybe i start ordering other companies ppv’s instead i mean affliction puts on some stacked fight cards, and with the ufc cutting much of their top talent for not signing their lives away i am soon going to start ordering other companies ppv’s instead of the ufc’s and i am sure i will not be the only person to do that and the ufc will feel the effects of that and they will know that they have made some wrong choices, dana’s ego is getting way to big if i was a fighter in the ufc and started talking all that shit on me i would probably kick his ass

by matt on Nov 20, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

o…m….g…. wat is dana doin, i’ve always tried to be a ufc and dana nutthuger but wow. wat is happening…i got a really really bad feeling about this…its kinda erie

by GSP!!! on Nov 20, 2008 1:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

o…m….g…. wat is dana doin, i’ve always tried to be a ufc and dana nutthuger but wow. wat is happening…i got a really really bad feeling about this…its kinda erie

by GSP!!! on Nov 20, 2008 1:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dana White sounds like he is on roids man. This are some jacked up comments really. Can you say ROID RAGE!!!

by Andy on Nov 20, 2008 1:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what DW does that we will never know…

This statement makes DW look like an unreasonable a-hole of a boss.

I wish one of the champs refuses to sign! That would call much more attention to DW’s arrogance and possibly cause a small rebellion.

by RHV on Nov 20, 2008 1:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

“I wonder what DW does that we will never know…”

Yeah, he’s said this many times, but he’s never divulged many details.

by Clayton on Nov 20, 2008 2:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fxck dana. unbelievable, he wants lifetime ownership, but is constantly looking to cut someones pay. he talks about how anyone can lose on any given day, yet will terminate contracts when someone loses or refuses to take a pay cut. the fertitas need to get some fxckin balls and check dana for these kind of outbursts. Especially, after finally getting alot of mainstream coverage. Any other president/commissioner would have to publicly apologize for such statements and/or step down.

by the_face on Nov 20, 2008 1:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

[expletives] dana. unbelievable, he wants lifetime ownership, but is constantly looking to cut someones pay. he talks about how anyone can lose on any given day, yet will terminate contracts when someone loses or refuses to take a pay cut. the fertitas need to get some fxckin balls and check dana for these kind of outbursts. Especially, after finally getting alot of mainstream coverage. Any other president/commissioner would have to publicly apologize for such statements and/or step down.

by the_face on Nov 20, 2008 1:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

So now maybe some of what Randy was talking about was right. I don’t blame Fitch at all for not signing. I’m sure it’s all about the money, but hell lifetime and all rights, that’s BS.

by Rubberman on Nov 20, 2008 1:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

WOW….. don’t know what to make of all of this… What happens behind closed doors we eill never know, but wow!

by Psyqo78®™ on Nov 20, 2008 1:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

will

by Psyqo78®™ on Nov 20, 2008 1:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thats exactly how i feel about the situation psyqo. this is just what we’re hearing…..

by allamerican on Nov 20, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dana white has just become a lowlife.

by jojomcbean on Nov 20, 2008 1:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

just?

by --utaptout-- on Nov 20, 2008 3:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol…

by DJ on Nov 20, 2008 6:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He always was, now it is more obvious to see. Never did like the guy. This is no surprise at all, it is typical UFC. It is just another one of the reasons that I was hoping that Affliction or at least another organizaton could compete and succeed. The UFC is a dictatorship, and without another organizations that fighters can go to they will either have to bend over, mpart their cheeks and take it, or they will have to give up the sport that they love.

by Ade on Nov 20, 2008 4:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dana wants all the money. what a c**t

by Tony on Nov 20, 2008 1:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

a lifetime is a long time for videogame rights. like 10 yrs wasnt good enough? the ufc will still go on without the aka fighters and make millions so who really lost out on this. i wonder if chase will be upset if koscheck gets cut

by tuffguy01 on Nov 20, 2008 1:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lifetime exposure, means money, even if fitch fought for Another brand while he is on a video game, its still good for fitch. I don’t get it.

by Ro-J on Nov 20, 2008 9:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya cause if he fought for another brand the ufc would want him in their video games (sarcasm)…. they would just ice him, they wouldnt put him in their games and no one else will be allowed to

by gobrowns on Nov 20, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the fact that you even are saying jon made a bad move b/c w/o the ufc he has nothing is EXACTLY THE PROBLEM W/ THE UFC BEING THE ONLY BIG FIGHT GAME around. Because the UFC has such a powerful position in terms of showcasing fighters, and the fact that there aren’t too many other organizations for fighters to go to is why there needs to be other organizations.

No matter what you say about how bad EXC was in terms of their management or the fall of IFL & potential fall of Affliction and AFL, this bodes horribly for the fighters, who we as fans should be concerned about, as well as, our own abilities to watch FREE mma. Without these other organzations, we are severely limited in terms of what we will see and who we will see, and the fighters face the same problems. It is interesting that ALL of the other major sports organzations do not require their athletes to sign such crap and again why the UFC for as good as they are, are as bad as they are.

More fighters need to follow Fitch so that if all the fighters said "f" u to the UFC re: ancillary rights, then they would have to change their position. Right now, being one of the only big boys in the game allows them to bully everyone and anyone and that is not good for Fitch, for other fighters, for the fans or for the sport in general. Let ESPN take this on MMA live and give this issue the press they gave to Couture v. Lesnar and see what the public suddenly thinks about the UFC’s tactics and treatment of it’s fighters

by theflyingtsunami on Nov 20, 2008 1:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

maybe have a ceo who doesn’t sound like highschool dropout strung out on crack would help the situation. Do you know how unprofessional his statement is? Could you see a high ranking official of any other company issue a statement that like?

by Timmy on Nov 20, 2008 1:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is great and keeps getting better by the minute

A gree wth you tuffguy who the hell wants to sign thier likeness rights away for a lifetime

Tom Atencio get to work and put together some great fights one organizations loss is another organizations gain

SWEET

by dia mette on Nov 20, 2008 1:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dana being a fucking bully again. Fucken prick.

by slocruiser on Nov 20, 2008 1:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dude bro!! as my Armenian brothers say. WTF!! Dana I know you have a point but your in control man! Don’t flip your lid man, don’t be a McMahon! Jon will be back, he is a good fighter and he was probably calling your bluff. Pride first, UFC forever!! Please represent us propor Dana!!

by Mrs.Featherbottom on Nov 20, 2008 1:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

So he wants them to be his partners yet he will cut them on a whim if they disappoint him in some way. That’s not a partnershit Dana ; that’s strongarming people to submit to your dictatorship. it’s 2 am and i don’t care about any of the spelling mistakes I made.

by Timmy on Nov 20, 2008 2:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

dana youve accomplished great things promoting MMA that no one can discredit…………………but your not the be all and end all of MMA buddy

MMA was here before you and it will be here after you you ‘[EXPLETIVE]’ greedy bastard

by dia mette on Nov 20, 2008 2:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The guy is friggin’ nuts and he can’t even see it. I almost feel bad for the guy.

by Clayton on Nov 20, 2008 2:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Signing a name and likeness over for life seems like a lot to ask for dana. one video game contract at a time dude. i figured that all the contracts for the video game were signed already anyway. sounds like you jumped the gun a bit. but even if jon didnt sign, it would have been better to not say anything. no one would have noticed. now we’re all gonna look at who’s not in the video and make assumptions. very unprofessional dana.

by WDC on Nov 20, 2008 2:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

would david stern ever come out and say “f%#@ Michael Jordan for not putting his name in a video game”? i think not…

by Ted on Nov 20, 2008 2:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

no, because without the NBA there would be no Jordan, so he signed the deal..along with all the other NBA, NFL, NHL and even WWE guys. It’s called business!

by kevin on Nov 20, 2008 2:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. The fighters a union like every other major sport. Dana needs to sleep it off, and check himself. Pride comes before a fall.
It’s a videogame. Big $$$!
Fitch not loyal? um Dana they bleed in the octagon, fight hurt and the smart ones know they can’t do it forever {see Couture} Loyalty isn’t the issue. Greed is. Everything is negotiable. There is power in unity. BJ, GSP,Griffin. All the top guys need to STEP UP and back Fitch & the other fighters on the chopping block.

by Ground-Game on Nov 20, 2008 2:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree with DW, [expletive] John Fitch! Doesn’t seem he’s very loyal to the UFC and doesn’t appreciate what they do for him.

by LiFt on Nov 20, 2008 2:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

what they for him?? like make him wait 2 years for a title shot and he goes about his business destroying the division and not getting any publicity while GSP gets all the glory and not complaining once as people liek an aging matt hughes get a title shot at will and then want him to sign over his likeness so that no one could ever use it without the UFC (not Fitch) getting paid.. yeah, what was Fitch thinking.. how unloyal!!

by Javster on Nov 20, 2008 2:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he waited a whole two years to get his @ss handed to him by GSP. That’s just not fair! GSP should have handed him his @ss like two years ago!

by RedDog on Nov 20, 2008 3:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

destroying the division… and also putting on boring fights haha

by rockwell on Nov 20, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol i was being sarcastic…i guess that didn’t come off so clearly when I typed it. This guy has been there for such a long time and stayed undefeated…and the UFC still never was able to market him properly!! He became somewhat famous after the GSP fight but I still don’t think he gets the approval of most

by LiFt on Nov 20, 2008 9:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dana just made himself look like a douchebag!! if he didnt curse so much and was a little more nicer to tha fighters i would have alot more respect for him……anyways fitch vs white in the main event of UFC 94

by cub23 on Nov 20, 2008 2:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i will call it right now R Huerta will be another fighter leaving the UFC soon

by dia mette on Nov 20, 2008 2:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Way to really go out on a limb there buddy…that’s old news

by Dayvet on Nov 20, 2008 8:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kos will never sign due to his clothing line and his hope to move to acting.

by Arnold on Nov 20, 2008 8:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldnt miss huerta if he left right this minute.

by allamerican on Nov 20, 2008 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a wierd situation, worrying in all honesty. Now that Dana has taken this stance I just hope some of the top fighters dont take the same view as fitch!

Something has to give somewhere, I agree with both parties in certain areas, surely an ammicable resolution can be made??

think of other games with loads of top sports personel, im quite sure that they all dont get big cuts of the profits, however im also sure they dont sign a lifetime agreement also!!

this has to be resolved man, its not good for publicity and its not good for the fans or fighters or anybody!!

by mo on Nov 20, 2008 2:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The fighters need STRIKE and get this all settled. If another promotion can’t keep the UFC honest then it’s up to the fighters.

by the_face on Nov 20, 2008 2:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

im not gunna point any fingerrs till i know whats really goin on. this is a childish response on danas part. i feel like theres something goin on w. their management. b.c none of the other fighters complained about it. i dunno i dont think this is all dana.

i really dont see why this whole lifetime likeness is such a big deal. i would not mind that at all maybe its just me

by phil on Nov 20, 2008 2:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dana’s “with me or against me” attitude is troubling. The man is becoming paranoid. And after he reveals something particularly insane from that mind of his, he follows it up with, “I’m actually a nice person.” Right. You know we’re in for trouble when he actually needs to remind us that he’s not a “dick head”.

by Ryan B. on Nov 20, 2008 2:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fitch’s comments below:

"Working for free and selling our rights away for lifetime, that’s a little different," said Fitch, who said he hasn’t spoken with White but plans to call him. "We tried to negotiate five- or 10-year deals with them, but it wasn’t good enough. It was all or nothing. He wanted our lifetime. He wanted our souls forever."

by Ground-Game on Nov 20, 2008 2:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good on Fitch! A 10 year deal is totally reasonable. This is Dana being a greedy biatch.

by BritishBulldog on Nov 20, 2008 3:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Business is business. It’s like getting pulled over for a DWI/DUI, if you deny a sobriety test, you’re presumed guilty. If you take it, you could be effed. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Whatever, the guy has had 2 exciting fights(Alves and GSP). He had his butt kicked in both, and happened to win one.

by rockwell on Nov 20, 2008 2:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can you say “NAZI”? Damn, I love the
UFC but this ridiculous, talk about bully on the block.

by Aloof on Nov 20, 2008 2:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Even if they do work it out. The fact that your boss said ‘fxck you’, when you’ve been nothing but respectful. These fighters know their walking a tight rope. They pretty much have to kiss dana’s ass just to be appreciated. Being disrespected like that is unforgivable. Dana created the whole vblogs just to appear like a decent human being. Sure it hypes the fights, but thats not the main purpose.

by the_face on Nov 20, 2008 2:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I an curious what Brock Lesner has agreed to. With his experience with other large organizations and superstardom he must have experience with agreements. I wonder what licencing agreements WWE has in place and how they compare to UFC. I have a hard time seeing Lesner signing anything that would be drastically worse than the WWE. I raise this because of the Dana’s comment about Cain Velesquez trying to change agreements with only two fights. I don’t see the UFC trying to bully an already established millionaire like Lesner and still expecting a working relationship. They want him more than Velesquez because he brings in more viewers and Lesner would know this and thus be in a stronger negotiating position than most fighters. Thoughts…

by zanelewis on Nov 20, 2008 3:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

the big name fighters already signed it.. They know they’ll be staying with the UFC for a long time so its okay for them. CHuck, Silva, and Gsp didnt complain. But i guess cain thinks he can make money hoping some other promotion would make merchandise and video games of him.

by weoweoweo on Nov 20, 2008 3:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if you look back to last weeks news Lesnar signed and is in the game.

by Fokman on Nov 20, 2008 8:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fitch and Kos are pretty much screwed if they don’t re-sign with the UFC. They will be forced to fight cans in another org. The only good thing that can come out of this for fans is if Fitch and Kos go to Affliction and fight each other. THAT, I’d want to see.

by Pat on Nov 20, 2008 3:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and then what? They’re gonna run out of fights real quick.

by RedDog on Nov 20, 2008 3:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they’ll throw a few boxing matches in there.

by RedDog on Nov 20, 2008 3:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well – interesting. I would have loved to see Alves v Fitch. That would have been an awesome fight. End of the day Business is Business.

by DownUnder on Nov 20, 2008 3:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yes its a lifetime. But if youre not with the UFC who would make a game for you? affliction? Or do you plan to make a game with your image besides UFC games? CHuck Liddell Anderson Silva and Forrest Have signed these papers and i dont get why a guy like Christian Wellisch feels that its unfair for him to have the ufc have his video game rights.

Its not like atari will make an MMA game out of non-UFC b-level fighters right?

I know dana is a d!ck, but Think about your career. You will probably lose most of your sponsors and you’ll lose the chance to make it big in the UFC, just because you think other people should also make video games with you in it?

by weoweoweo on Nov 20, 2008 3:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s Fitch’s choice if he doesn’t want to sign-knowing how little the fighters get for stuff like this, he was probably being paid F**k all. This is the hard-ball, throw your toys out of the pram, push the other kids over, my way or the highway side of Dana White that I hate.
Saying it’s ok cos its business, isn’t fair enough. You can be a businessman and a total tool. I’m guna miss Fitch’s fights in the UFC.

by BritishBulldog on Nov 20, 2008 3:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

even though this is all businnes dana is doin this wrong. the bottom line he is too selfish. the fighters deserve better and he’s just a f***en a-hole

by fighterfrm818 on Nov 20, 2008 4:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dana u can’t hustle the fighters forever you egomaniac! he needs to put his money where his mouth is.. every UFC fighter needs to go Tito’s way.. I’m tired of hearing that wannabe celebrity gangster talking about how great they are and this and that please stop kissing ppls asses while you’re saying the f word in every sentence… their is 2 reasons that this fight last weekend got all the hype from media Couture and Lesnar, and Dana n the UFC are cashing in huge money while they pay the fighters like sh*t to grow their own business.. the UFC fighters will never take over the world because Dana’s face is taking their place in the spotlight all the time! I don’t care how good fights the UFC puts on or if the company dies, this needs to end now just leave the company Dana you’re gonna selfdestruct!

by RoB on Nov 20, 2008 4:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I love the UFC and have always supported Dana White. But Dana’s an arrogant prick. Dana has never fought, so he really doesn’t know what it’s like to sign your life away. I wish Randy would retire and start his own promotion, I hated Elite XC, but Afflication stands to gain some excellent fighters from this clusterfuck. Go Afflication. A strong Affliction equals a stronger UFC (for the fighters and fans.)

by haglnuts on Nov 20, 2008 4:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

“I’m not a douche bag”… I beg to differ.

by BritishBulldog on Nov 20, 2008 4:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dumb move by Fitch this guy is gonna wake up in a couple of weeks or months and just like Randy realise that the f’ed up big time. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you, considering the fact that he’s not a draw and with the UFC in this economy he’s doing no favors for his family. Fitch could have been a big star thanks to the UFC, but after taking some horrible management advice he’s gonna be the WW Matt Lindland and that’s not a good thing.

by EJ on Nov 20, 2008 4:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

oh,c’mon fitch, how this issue become a big deal for you? for my opinion i’ll be honor if i’ll be on the video game, its a fun feeling, look at Tmac,shaq they’re having fun playying their self on the NBA games,

maybe he doesnt like videogames or doesnt want exposure lols!

by mad_drummer on Nov 20, 2008 4:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

mad_drummer, look at the link Chris W posted… read the contract, you’re missing the point.

BritishBulldog, I side with you on this, 100%, I feel bad for Fitch, he was just being reasonable and now he’s getting the wrath from Dana White. Fitch was a relentless hardworking fighter, he deserves much better, I really feel for the guy. This is BS, I’m not paying for UFC’s for awhile, I’ll watch em online for FREE or at HOOTERS… that’s my protest, all I can do.

by THORAZINE on Nov 20, 2008 4:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow MANIA, I saw the this story on the bottom of Sportscenter tonight, and it said “according to mmamania.com” Congrats on that, even though this is an unfortunate story.

by pUniSHment on Nov 20, 2008 4:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

who cares about jon fitch, he had a choice to sign or be cut, and he chose to be cut…his loss…See how long affliction lasts and why wouldnt u want as much exposure as possible to be in a video game…Netherlands is never in soccer games in the same comparison

by JONFITCHSUCKS on Nov 20, 2008 5:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I will have a hard time paying for another UFC ppv. After reading Fitch’s interview I am thinking that 91 might be the last 45 bucks they will get from me. I’m sure more details will come out.

by Bob on Nov 20, 2008 5:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Dana White needs a good break…

by Jee on Nov 20, 2008 5:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agreed with most here, Dana is coming off as a jerk in this one.It would be a shame if the number 2 WW left.

by LukeinShanghai on Nov 20, 2008 6:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

its business.

by johnnybravo on Nov 20, 2008 7:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dana White on this article:
“Suck my [expletive]! The day a [expletive] website knows more about UFC business deals I have made than I do will… just [expletive] these [expletive]. If they’re headlining their [expletive] in a way that even comes close to claiming I [expletive] said ‘[expletive] Fitch for not signing a video game agreement’ then they’re [expletive] scumbag [expletive]!”

a well-regarded mma journalist tearing about this “article”: http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=1&thread=1375292&page=1&pc=53

by mobybeaver on Nov 20, 2008 7:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Damn Mania you guys gonna respond to that? They came at you guys hard in this article.

by Fokman on Nov 20, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know what to say!!!!!
except fuck this guy, mania doesn’t post shit without triple checking sources!!!

by kevin on Nov 20, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dana wants these managers and agents out of the way so he can strong arm these guys. I thought things were going to be smoother with Lorenzo around. Hey Lorenzo, where the (expletive) are ya??

by RUSH on Nov 20, 2008 7:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dana is a [Expletive] slavemaster. He needs to be in [Expletive] jail.
[Expletive] fascist dictator. I [Expletive] hope he gets brutally beaten by one of the fighters (aka his slaves) so bad that he gets paralyzed from the neck down.

by Longsilver on Nov 20, 2008 7:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dana needs to stop giving these guys so much money as a bonus.

He also needs to let people like longsilver run the ufc.

by johnnybravo on Nov 20, 2008 7:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

oh well

by McArthur on Nov 20, 2008 7:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let it become a dictatorship, I want to see the best fighters up against each other, not loads of different companies refusing to let their guys fight in other organisations.

Dana is trying to stamp out the competition; I’d be worried if he didn’t!!!

When there is $millions at stake and you are trying to get a video game deal done, you’re not going to be impressed when one of the fighters that you have paid a tonne of money to, sticks a spanner in the works. I’d be p1ssed!

by johnnybravo on Nov 20, 2008 7:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let it become a dictatorship. As long as you get what you want eh, who gives a shit about the fighters and what is a fair deal for them. You have a really selfish attitude, are you related to Dana or do you work for the UFC. I am a fight fan, but I am all for the fighters getting what is right and what they deserve. Fans like you should be a bit more considerate towards the fighters and be more appreciative of the blood sweat and tears they put into this, but I know that this is completely wasted on you because you obviously do not give a shit. You are a different kind of sports fan.

by Ade on Nov 20, 2008 7:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha! Cry me a river Ade!

The only fighters who think they’re being treated badly are the ones booted out! Fitch called dana’s bluff, and got it wrong. Poor him, he’s good enough and tough enough to fight for any other organisation, he’ll survive!

But next time i will try and be more considerate to these well paid fighters, being put on video games and doing a job that i would give anything to do.

You can get off your soap box now…

by johnnybravo on Nov 20, 2008 8:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dana may feel justified in his actions but he fails to see the larger picture. This is the sort of thing that can lead to a Fighters Union.

Look at the auto industry as an example. The Big Three are completely unionized and are paying out the nose for wages and benefits. Whereas the foreign automakers that have plants in the US pay and treat their workers well enough that not one of those plants is unionized.

There are two roads to take, action determines the path.

Dana White needs a vacation.

by A Lynch on Nov 20, 2008 7:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dana White is turning into Al Davis.

by brian on Nov 20, 2008 8:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

honestly whats the big deal….its a life time agreement to have yourself depicted in a video game while in the prime of your life…what do they think can possibly happen…are they doing this for the principle? What is the drawback here? Anyone??

by McArthur on Nov 20, 2008 8:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well you are giving away exclusive lifetime rights to your image and person in video games when you don’t even know if you will be working in the UFC in 5 years. A couple bad fights or Dana has a hissyfit and you can get cut, then you are working somewhere else and the UFC is still using your image to make money. Maybe you work for another company that is making money and does a video game in a few years, then they can’t use your image since the UFC owns it. I can see why someone wouldn’t limit their future options. The UFC wants all the power in their contracts and they expect you to say thank you sir when you sign it.

by Aaron_W on Nov 20, 2008 9:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Fitch, Kos and Cain go to Affliction hello Pride 2. Cain would be one fight away from Fedor. Dumb to let so much go out the door. Those 3 would give Affliction life support for another year.

by hatteras on Nov 20, 2008 8:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

ok so i think it’s become pretty apparent that the UFC is getting too big for their own good. we hear more and more about how fighters are getting screwed over. the fighters are what makes the ufc what it is, they should be number one of the list. you’re telling me that jon fitch signing his likeness away forever to the ufc for their video game is him being a douche? what does the ufc’s video game have to do with fitch fighting inside the octagon? i’m sure this video game would be of absolutely no benefit to jon, just to dana’s pockets in this tough economy. i hope affliction can keep their act together because the ufc really needs a competitor, when they are a monopoly fighters get screwed over. go ahead jon, go over to affliction. then when gsp goes over too, since he has good ties with the company already through sponsorship and will be able to make more money their than in the ufc, we can have fitch-gsp II. damn it’s sad to see the ufc, the organization that has always been fighters first, going down this road…

by jp on Nov 20, 2008 8:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree for the most part BUT….what is the drawback to Fitch signing

by McArthur on Nov 20, 2008 8:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bye bye fitch. He’s such boring fighter.

by League on Nov 20, 2008 8:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how other sports handle their players and likeness with their vids

by McArthur on Nov 20, 2008 8:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think they are paid royalties to their perspcetive players (NHLPA,NBAPA) associations and that money most likely goes in to their pension funds contoled by the association for the players when they retire.The UFC obviously has no union or associations so who know where the profits go.

by Bigmcmac on Nov 20, 2008 9:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta side with Fitch from a business standpoint. Imagine if for some reason the UFC falls on hard times or that the UFC folds. THEY OWN YOUR IMAGE INPERPETUITY. FOREVER. So Fitch goes to another organization they have a game coming out and the UFC decides no, they don’t want to release you from your contract or worse yet they sell the contract and make the money instead of you. Now the idea of the UFC going under sounds nuts but look at many banks right now.

Also the idea of a video game not getting much exposure….That too is a billion dollar industry. The NFL, NBA, PBA, PGA all make a lot of money off of video game rights. That is absurd.

MHO.

by Ty on Nov 20, 2008 8:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

hopefully more fighters I like will refuse to sign :-D evil laugh

by Condilezza Rice on Nov 20, 2008 8:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Quote from fitch:

“Honestly the contract wasn’t even that big of a deal,” he said. "We’re not getting paid for it anyways, and it’s not a deal where I’m actually going to get another deal with a video game agency. I don’t have that kind of pull, most guys don’t. It has nothing to do with that. It’s that they brought this contract to us and basically kicked in our front door, came in guns blazing, and said ‘sign this contract or you’re dead.’

by McArthur on Nov 20, 2008 8:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

“..in our front door, came in guns blazing, and said ’sign this contract or you’re dead…”, HAHHA, I just pictured Dana and Lorenzo in Universal Soilder outfits and kick in the door like Jason Statham in the movie The Transporter, SIGN IT BITCH, SIGN IT!!!!!!!!! hahahahah……

by Shaolins Finest on Nov 20, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here at Globo UFC Corp, we’re better than you! and we know it!

by Dana White on Nov 20, 2008 9:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

ha ha thats a instant classic

by ukmma on Nov 20, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dana dropped the ball here as the games is set to release and they don’t have permission to use fighters likeness…its bad business and Dana deserves everything he’s got coming…on the other hand…its a fu&kin video game…the fighters should get over it…its not like video game manufacturers are lining up at Fitch’s door

by McArthur on Nov 20, 2008 9:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

“its not like video game manufacturers are lining up at Fitch’s door”

Neither is the UFC….unless kicking in the door and saying “sign it or else” is lining up for a good reason for the fighters.

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FYI

The video game industry in 2007 out sold DVD and CD sales by more than double

by McArthur on Nov 20, 2008 9:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Man, I know a lot of people like to give Dana credit for bringing the UFC to where it is today but… The Fertittas really need to get rid of him. The guy is way too much of an egomaniac hot head. Dana White just runs his mouth all day talking shit about whoever he wants and it isnt even the slightest bit professional.

by Ballam on Nov 20, 2008 9:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good link fron Chris W, this is shocking! Well worth a quick read.

http://www.tapoutlive.com/images/mags/ufc_legal.pdf

by BritishBulldog on Nov 20, 2008 9:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fitch vs Hieron at an upcoming Affliction or Japanese show? Fitch vs Sakurai would be cool in DREAM.

by Belisarius on Nov 20, 2008 9:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow…big surprise.

Dana – “sign your name and likeness away for the rest of your life or else you will be (expletive, expletive, expletive)”

What a douche this guy is.

I hope more fighters tell him to shove it. I like AKA more today than I did yesterday……at least they are manning up……unlike Chuck and Forrest, who suck Dana’s balls for a dime.

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 9:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Chuck is dilusional….gonna get my belt back…gotta get my belt back…whatever it takes to get my belt back…LOLOLOL…he sounds like Gollum from Lord of the Rings…haha my precious

by McArthur on Nov 20, 2008 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

his arrogance will eventually be his downfall.

by B_Hos on Nov 20, 2008 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GSP will be next…..mark my words.

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 9:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

lifetime contract, as if Fitch will be in a video game 10 years from now anyways, so who cares, just sign and move on

by Egads on Nov 20, 2008 9:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don’t some of you people get tired of the taste of Dana White’s NUTS!

by Robert on Nov 20, 2008 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Apparently not.

Neither does MMAMania, considering any time I say anything negative about Dana, they don’t post the comment.

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

with the personality he has, he’s gonna get critizized to death for the joke he is in every newspaper.. nobody likes this guy NOBODY.. he can go on and critizize boxing all he wants but the stars that they’ve created and the money they’ve given their fighters is something that the UFC fighters will never see

by RoB on Nov 20, 2008 11:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the classiness dana white always displays never ceases to amaze me. LMAO!

by B_Hos on Nov 20, 2008 9:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

dana white is classless. hey, the more fighters he lets go, the more other organizations (affliction or strikeforce for example) can beef up their rosters. who wouldn’t pick up Kos like immediately? that goes for fitch as well.

by B_Hos on Nov 20, 2008 10:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good for the other shows and good for us.

If Kos is cut, and is still fighting on the next card, I hope he taps before they even touch each other…..fuck the UFC.

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“Just a video game”!!!
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/VideoGameSalesOvertakingMusic.aspx

Dana’s no fool all he sees is MONEYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!

by JimmieGreens on Nov 20, 2008 10:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

geez, there’s a lot of people who fell hook line and sinker for the dana white hype train and truly believe that the UFC will forever be the dominant MMA promotion.

this isn’t about whether or not jon fitch will be relevant in the UFC in 5 years or even 10 years. it’s about the fact that if he ever switches promotions, will he gain back the use of his likeness for use somewhere else?

by rust on Nov 20, 2008 10:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fu** the UFC i wouldn’t care if their name was FAG or whatever i don’t care, all i care about is seeing the fights and the fighters that i like.. this dude Dana is a tool, and i really hope he gets fired and all of these idiots go away.. the fighters needs to make a statement by not showing up at fight night!

by RoB on Nov 20, 2008 10:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yep….they really need to get together and figure out how to stop this dictator from taking control of “the rest of their lives” (literally).

What kind of man signs anything that says “the rest of your life” anyway? It seems these guys are tough physically, but lack in the mental and (quite frankly) BALLS department. Unreal that they would sign contracts like this, while ever other pro sport does the opposite.

Fighters are obviously conceding that they couldn’t make it without the UFC….they need some fucking guts.

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

totally agree!

by RoB on Nov 20, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I faithful watch every UFC fight on tv. I pay $45 buck to watch these guys and to see what Dana has done is heart breaking. I will no longer pay a dime to these jack asses

by denise on Nov 20, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You and I both.

I actually paid for every event in the last 5 years, and went to 2 shows (66 and 83)…I stopped last show (Brock didn’t deserve the shot at Randy)….and I won’t buy another one……FOR LIFE!!!!!!! (take that Dana)

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guys this is a business, remember if it was not for Dana White most of these guys would have to have full time jobs and train and fight on the side, he has made it so guys can call MMA a career, if the UFC where to produce a video game and did not have a contract to use the name and likeleness of the fighters 10 years down the road the fighers can sue the UFC and the maker of the video game, the guys un the UFC are free to have sponsers from anyone they want, they can use there likeleness and name anywhere they want…..if 100 guys fight in the UFC and 5 are aganist this whole contract thing does it not make you wonder why the other 95 have no problem with it?

by jet99 on Nov 20, 2008 11:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

So, you think that id the UFC foled in the 90’s, there would be no other orginizations right now?

ahem….

Pride
K-1

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

this is major
there are alot of guys from aka in the ufc
this would shake things up i hope they just wise up and sign the damm agreement i think swick is being smart but these guys play band of brothers and they will all fall
i would hate to see them all leave the ufc

by bryant on Nov 20, 2008 11:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

puhh, what you’re hoping for is exactly what the UFC wants you to, they try to make themselves the only thing in MMA that basically anyone even knows exists.. the UFC is a company in the sport of MMA let’s say that most of the players in a top soccer club like Manchester United gets enough because they’re being used by the club and not getting shown enough respect for what they’re doing for the clubs business.. so they leave for another club that is struggling to stay in the Premier league what would happen? the players would give their new club an enormous boost and the club’s business would go straight up and Man Utd’s business would go south! it’s the same in MMA if all of these fighters leaves to lets say Affliction things would change dramatically!

by RoB on Nov 20, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know that all the Dana haters can,t stand this, but the harsh reality of this is that if not for the UFC probably 80 to 90% of these guys would be selling snicker bars or pushing a broom if not for Dana and the UFC.
If the UFC sells a million dollers worth of this stuff 10% is a hell of lot more money than what most of these fighters could or will make in other lines of work.

by mmafreak on Nov 20, 2008 11:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

They make NOTHING from “this stuff”. (the video game)

Zero

Zilch

Nada

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they make 10 percent off of “the stuff”. if a million dollars is sold they get a 100k for signing a piece of paper.stop trying to act like you know something about business and are smart. dont buy another pay per view, you are a small fish in a big pond. and speaking of undeserved title shots, randy is the king of them; one after 4 fights and the one against tim after about a years retirement.

by vermillion on Nov 20, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Read it, learn it, live it…………..

http://www.tapoutlive.com/images/mags/ufc_legal.pdf

Pay particular attention to this part….

“The Agreement does not offer any royalty or license payments for video games and DVDs.”

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is all theoretical bable by a website on what they think it says, the 10 and 20 percent is probably the only true thing about it. do seriuosly think almost 200 hundred of the fighters on the roster (the ones that arent affiliated with aka) would sign something with out getting paid for it? fighters aren’t stupid jack ass. understand what you are saying, it is just hatred because you make out with fitch’s nut sack.

by vermillion on Nov 20, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where are these fighters then?

The stupid thing about people like you is that you listen to one fucking guy like Chuck say “the UFC treats me great”, then you paint the whole fucking industry with a broad stroke because of one guy’s comments. Then Dana buys Chuck a new car and fucks the rest of the guys over, and you are all fucking hooked.

Unreal.

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps this is the eye opener needed to start looking at a fighters union…

by downtown on Nov 20, 2008 12:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t matter if they are making a living in the UFC now. There’s no guarantee Dana won’t drop them in the future just because it’s his time of the month.
They shouldn’t even ASK the fighters to sign something for a lifetime. I like the UFC and watching the fights, but as human beings… Dana and the Zuffas are a waste. The greed is sickening.

by KS on Nov 20, 2008 12:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Truth

by introvert on Nov 20, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man dumb move on the ufc, koscheck and fitch are top 5 welterweights in MMA, it would make the division weaker, why would he want that? dumb.

by nathan on Nov 20, 2008 3:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

let me get a few things out of the way. i havent been keeping up with MMA for long just a couple years but i am a fast learner. whoever this kevin guy is, leaving long comments, is a fuckin faggot and a moron and lacks fundamental compare and contrast skills that most people learned in first grade. the only thing even remotely similiar about the UFC and the NFL is that there is and F in the middle. the NFL is americas favorite pastime up there with baseball and NASCAR. the UFC is relatively new and these fighters arent making nearly as much as athletes in the NFL. if you ask a football player to sign a lifetime agreement, well fuck it theyre already set for life. and to say that john fitch wouldnt be fighting if it werent for the ufc is damn ignorant because what is the UFC without fighters retard. there are a few other fighting championships like pride that are happy to sign fighters like fitch obviously and nobody really just starts in the UFC they have to work theyre way up and to say that the UFC, cutting fighters for a video game right to there name for life, or any other arbitrary decision a good fighter makes, is as good as it gets as an MMA fighter is a joke and your a joke if you agree with that. its a joke that you can lose your dream job over a fucking video game yeah why not sign( other than lifetime rights to your name) but at the same time what if you just dont want to be in a video game. should you be fired for that. and to say that the UFC doesnt owe these fighters anything infuriates me because they do owe them. every time they step into the octagon they owe them. and i mean other than one big check. did you see rich franklins nose after his fight with anderson silva. how bout when frank mir broke tim silvias arm? let me break your arm or fuck your face up and see if you dont think i owe you. this sport is unlike any other and i say the more fighters the better. you also say and i qoute “_______ any fighter on UFC roster would be where without the UFC.” dee dee dee i dont no… theyre on the UFC roster so i guess anywhere else where they can fight. im going to bed now but kevin if i EVER meet you i will kick your ass just for the dumb shit you said. bitch…sorry but someone had to

by kevin w on Jan 1, 2009 12:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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