Kenny Florian to try and avoid Joe Stevenson guillotine choke at UFC 91 (Video)

by MMAmania.com on Nov 5, 2008 9:39 AM EST

It's "Daddy's" signature fight-ending move ... and Kenny knows he can't get caught in it:

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i’d find it convenient to have her in a guillotine.

by oneshit on Nov 5, 2008 9:47 AM EST reply actions

Im kind of leaning towards Joe Daddy in this one. Neither fighter will be able to submit the other, I see the difference being that Joe will be able to put Kenny on his back and keep him there while avoiding submissions from Kenny’s guard.

Joe Daddy is right when he said that he is sick of Kenny talking about how he finishes fights. Joe daddy has finished way more fights than Kenny has!

by john on Nov 5, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions

Kenny may get put on his back, but Kenny is also due to slice someone up with some elbows. The last time Joe bleed it didn’t work out so good. Kenny shoud be able to sweep Joe, get back to his feet and use his striking to get a UD.

by BNF on Nov 5, 2008 10:06 AM EST up reply actions

YOu bring up a great point about the elbows and Daddy is going to have to watch out for them because like you said, last time he was sliced open he seemed to Panic and it didnt work out in his favor.

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Watch some footage on these 2 up and coming studs when you guys get the chance

by john on Nov 5, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions

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by john on Nov 5, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions

is wanye brady gonna have to choke a bitch?

by brendan on Nov 5, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions

Kenny has 10 career wins, 9 by stoppage or 90 percent. Joe Daddy has 29 career wins, 19 by stoppage or 65.5 percent. So it’s not totally fair to just say Joe Daddy has finished way more fights than Kill-Flo because he’s been in way more fights. I’m looking for Kill-Flo to make it 10 stopages in 11 wins when he uses his kill-bows to carve up Joe Daddy for a 2nd round TKO.

by PW on Nov 5, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions

i hear you PW, but I feel that he hasnt really finished anyone impressive. Who has he finished that I should give a damn about? Sam Stout and Joe Lauzon (with help of illegal blows to the back of the head). those are really his only impressive wins.

I am not impressed with Din tHomas blowing out his knee, or the Alvin Robinson fight. Dokonjonosuke Mishima isnt a top 20 fighter. Kit Cope doesnt do anything for me.

When you break down his opponents, Kenny hasnt really finished many people that matter. He losses to most of his toughest opponents: Diego (I know the weight class issues), Fickett. Sherk.

We havent truly seen Kenny finish anyone that matters

I dont think either fighter will be dominant, but IMO slight edge goes to Stevenson

by john on Nov 5, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions

John, most of their competition can be placed at about the same level, if anything I would say some of Joe’s earlier victories are over far less impressive opponents then most of Kenny’s wins. Also they both hold submission wins over Dokonjonosuke Mishima so discrediting him is totally irrelevant.

by Bojo on Nov 5, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions

I dont mean to discredit Kenny. I am a fan of both fighters, its just that only 1 guy can win and Im trying to figure out who has the most impressive credentials.

Joe Daddy has finished tough kats like Gleison Tibau, Batman, Melvin, Yves. Not meaning to bash Kenny, I just feel more impressed with Joe’s resume then I am with Kenny’s. Keep in mind that Resume’s dont mean much once the cage door slams shut, I am just bringing it up for analytical purposes

by john on Nov 5, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions

You are correct that Joe has finished more fights, but he also has substantially more fights in his career with a record of 29-8-0 compared to Kenny’s 10-3-0. Examining just their winning stats; Joe has 29 wins with 19 finishes and 10 decisions which means in all of his victories he has finished fights 65% of the time. Kenny however in his 10 wins has 9 finishes which gives him a 90% finish rate. There for Kenny finishes fights 25% more of the time.

by Bojo on Nov 5, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions

Kenny finishes B-level fighters for the most part

by john on Nov 5, 2008 10:59 AM EST up reply actions

Joe’s competition has been on the same level. In their wins what competition of Joe’s stands out over the competition of Kenny’s?

by Bojo on Nov 5, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions

Stevenson:
Key WINS: Tibau, Melvin, Yves, Pellegrino
Key Losses: Josh Neer, Bj Penn

Florian:
Key Wins: Huerta, Lauzon, Sam Stout
Key Losses: Sherk, Sanchez, Fickett

Its close, but I would give a slight edge to Joe Daddy when it comes to a better resume. They are really on the same level. Both havent shown the ability to get over the hump. They were both dominated by elite competition (sherk, Penn).

by john on Nov 5, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions

Should be a simple task for him….his jui jitsu is sick!
I think florian takes this fight and with flying colors. His muy tai is unreal, his cardio is unreal and his ground game is one of my fav in MMA. Stevenson is awesome to. He has heart, but his stubby little arms wont help him in this one…Florian by unanimous desc

by What? on Nov 5, 2008 9:48 AM EST reply actions

unless he gets those little stubby’s around that pencil neck of Kenny’s….then its zzzzzzzzz for kenny

by McArthur on Nov 5, 2008 9:54 AM EST up reply actions

I like Kenny in this fight just because I think he has more ways to win. I think he has the potential to beat Joe by TKO, submission or decision, while I can only see Joe barely winning a decision or catching Kenny in a guillotine. I also want to see Kenny win simply because I don’t want to see BJ-Stevenson 2 at this point. I think Kenny’s skill set would make for a more interesting fight, even though I think BJ would be a big favorite.

by GregC on Nov 5, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions

Stevenson is sooooooo overrated. all he has in his arsenal is the guillotine choke! Florian wins by decision or stoppage to do cut on stevenson.

by horny for mma on Nov 5, 2008 9:57 AM EST reply actions

I wonder if referring to Joanne as my girlfriend would eventually make it true.

by JB on Nov 5, 2008 10:24 AM EST reply actions

Hey, get your own imaginary girlfriend!

by PW on Nov 5, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions

I’ve been surprised how successful Joe Stevenson has been with the guillotine choke which in my humble opinion is on of the most easy subs to submit from. I think his strength, short arms, and his stockiness really helps him crank. My money’s still on Kenny though!

by bostonmmajunkie on Nov 5, 2008 10:49 AM EST reply actions

I like Joe, but am going wth Kenny on this one. I think Kenny will have too much technique for Joe. Either way, should be a great fight.

by Jrandolph on Nov 5, 2008 10:53 AM EST reply actions

this will go to decision and we’ll never have to hear about kenny finishing fights again. kenny is gonna pick joe appart on the feet all night just like he did huerta.

by jonsey on Nov 5, 2008 11:55 AM EST reply actions

He didnt pick Huerta apart. lol I think that Joe will have a much better shot from the ground game. If he tries to trade, it will be a much longer night. Unless of course he lands a really good shot. Just doubtful.

Im going Kenny UD.

by enzo-enormous on Nov 5, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions