Thats harsh. You probably offended everyone on here. I’m starting to tear up a little bit.

I have been crying since I read that.

STEVO. 1 other time my arse! if it was only once i promise you i would’nt have brought it up. so your not really interested in buying a ticket, your just hoping that they dont sell out,for whatever sick reason. good luck with that. keep on hatin!

and what would ppv sells have to do with ticket sales?

what are you a ufc promoter bw? guys just trying to see if this card is living up to the mountain of hype its getting… which its not, i work for an event broker and we have only sold 2 of our 9 pairs that we purchased over a month ago

BRENDAN. why does it matter to you at all wether it lives up to all the hype or not? obviously you want it to fail, why dont you haters come right and just say this, instead of just trying to bring up innuendos of supposed slow ticket sales. maybee if you didnt have such a negative attitude towards what you are trying to sell, you might do a better job of selling those tickets. i dont remember you ever saying anything negative about elite xc and wether they could live up to the kimbo hype or anything negative about their ticket sales. that stockton show was a disaster. did your firm have much success in selling tickets for their events? i cant wait for this response.

this card is one fight short of becoming the biggest UFC ever.

all it needed was one more high progile fighter like A silva or if thiago didnt get hurt him and machida would have pushed this card over the top

with that being said I personally dont think it will reach expected PPV buys we will see, I know im buying it

we sell a bunch of different events, so im not too concerned about this one… were probably going to end up losing money on those tickets though, and it doesnt really matter what my attitude is towards the event because our business is almost 100% online sales so its basically just numbers, its not like im walking up to someones house selling tickets… I guess I am a UFC hater, but just because id like to see another organization do well and compete with the UFC, I dont really care for the iron grip that the UFC has on its fighters either, it makes fights that the fans want impossible

He should have respected Herring.

Why?? Herring didn’t respect him.

How did Herring not respect Brock? Because he said he would beat him before the fight happened. That’s called promoting the fight – every fighter does it (he should know – he was in the WWE) What Brock did after the fight was called disrespect. He has no class.

Randy IS too old, but in his case it seems like he keeps getting better. This may be the toughest fight he has ever had and I hope he can pull one more out of his a$$.

I don’t understand the hate. Casey you are one of those close minded guys that thinks Brock is just some joe blow that took steroids and thats why he is where he is at. Have you seen what the dude looked like as a kid? Genetic freak, he is an anomally.Steroids doesn’t increase the size of your hands. Below you stated all that crap about him like “I dont know about you guys but I don’t enjoy watching a roided out freak, with half a brain wrestle, and only use his size to his advantage”. Was it his Wrestling that sent Herring flying 16 ft.? Was it his wrestling that double jabbed mir to his ass? Or how about the Flying Knee to open the fight with Herring. Open your eyes , man. This guy is an athelete and a damn good one.This is coming from a guy that isn’t a fanboy of Brock’s(although he is growing on me) and he is fighting someone that I have always admired. Brock isn’t a joke.Give credit where credit is due.

PSYQO78. well said!

Thanks b.w.. You and I tend to agree alot.

great minds think alike. i’ll always agree with common logical sense. :)

Psyqo, great post. My thoughts exactly!

BNF. where’s our boy JV? he must be out enjoying halloween!

Whats up b.dub? I’ll probably drink some beers tonight, but not for Halloween! Beer and Candy dont mix!

Don’t lie JV, beer goes good with everything!

BNF, like B.W. said ….great minds think alike.

LMAO!

I think there was an episode of The Simpsons where Homer asked Apu for some of that candy-flavored beer, Skittlebrau.

Homer: Got any of that beer that has candy floating in it? You know, Skittlebrau?
Apu: Such a beer does not exist, sir. I think you must have dreamed it.
Homer: Oh. Well, then just give me a six-pack and a couple of bags of Skittles.
 
 There is actually a website that gives instruction how to make it, pretty simple:Step #1 Buy one (or more) packets of Skittles.Step #2 Buy one (or more) Schooner, Jug or Stein of beer.Step #3 Gently place the desired amount of Skittles into the beer.

“Randy Couture is a champion, a true champion, and that’s not something you can quantify in the octagon… don’t count him out!” – Joe Rogan

Amen!

Totally agree. You can never count that dude out.

i think even bw could figure out that recipe psyqo, probably on his way to the store now…

damn! your into me tonight huh BRENDA. should i be worried or flattered. my very own stalker fan. :)

Don’t mind him BW. Brendan’s a nice guy. Just likes to get on someone’s case once in a while, he’s a nice knowledgeable dude. No troll definitely. Guys here should get together, it’s nearing Christmas season, LOL!

yeah, i dont question his knowledge, just dont understand where he is coming from most of the time. too anti-ufc for my taste. why that is, is beyond me. but i dont hold grudges and try not to make or take things personal. maybee he will see the light someday. :)

i think what he means by being “propped up” is the fact that the UFC is trying to market the hell outta him by giving him high profile matchups.

Think about it. Put Shane Carwin/Cain Velasquez in Brocks position. I think both of those dudes woulda tko’d Mir and probably decisioned Herring in just as dominating way. Since they aren’t marketable as Brock yet, they aren’t getting title shots after being 1-1 in UFC. They are both more talented and better fighters than Brock.

And Dos Santos should get a fight against an top 15 UFC heavyweight, and when he wins, he should get a title shot. Brock’s title road anyway.

Hate to break it to you but wrestling is part of MMA. How is it a “freakshow” The dude was a decorated COLLEGIATE wrestler. Not some Dope smoker that was only in the cage because he beat up chumps for $100 a pop in peoples backyards. Comparing Kimbo to Brock is an elementary argument with absolutely no basis.As far as the punches are concerned that’s his fault for them not expecting it? Right there you are speaking of two dimensions of a fighter. So how can you say he is one deminsional? You can’t discredit his boxing skills because everyone he has hit has hit the floor immediatly afterwards. You basically have three or four punches to base your judgement on and they all were extremely effective shots.

Sure, if you want to say that Brocks other dimension is boxing go ahead. I would like to see Brock stand for longer than the two punches he throws a fight. Then we can see his “second dimension”. I don’t think he could stand with any heavyweight in the UFC and he wont. There is going to only be one way Brock will win a fight: USING HIS SIZE TO TAKE DOWN AND CONTROL AN OPPONENT. Thats it, that’s all you’ll ever see. You wont see a knock out standing up (after Herring, no ones falling for that again), you wont see a submission, only ground and pound. Boring! Thats why I dont like him, without his size, he is nothing. Couture is a way better wrestler – but its the size.

No disrespect but you should just admit that you are a “hater”. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. As far as not falling for it again…. Brock has lightning speed and I don’t think people are going to have a choice. The dude moves like a lightweight. Like I said earlier it’s not his fault people hit the canvas when he thumps them.

No offense taken, Psyqo78. If not liking Brock makes me a hater than you are right. Will the guy get in the ring and pull out wins? – yep. I respect him for that, but I do feel that the reason he wins is only because of his physical attributes, not his skill. I personally don’t like him outside of the ring, which may lead to my “hating”. I didn’t like his antics after he pounded Herring (a respectable veteran) and I don’t like how he acts in interviews. Ah well, I’m sure it will be an interesting fight.

Casey, you must not like BJ Penn cause he held on to the RNC on Jens Pulver alittle longer than he should have! You must not like Randy for spanking Tito in their fight! Those are very disrespectfull things to do to your opponent right? So Brock acted like he roped Herring, big deal!

Penn vs Pulver… bad example. That had nothing to do with disrespect. Randy vs Tito, both veteran fighters that have the right to do that type of stuff. Imagine a rookie coming into another professional sport (NFL, NBA) and calling out a veteran. He would look like a punk. Maybe you relate to that and I’m old school, but a guy with a 2-1 professional record, should thank Herring for the fight and congratulate him for a job well done. Not dance around like a monkey and disrespect the other fighter, UFC, and the sport. Once again, Brock has no class and is continue to alienate MMA fans like myself around the world.

He also must not like Thiago Silva for the thumb across the throat after a win, or James Irvin for shooting a gun finger at Houston, or Babalu for choking Lambert too long, ect…

Huh, its surprising that BNF, JV, and Psyqo78 all have comments on this thread. Looks you guys are all friends and that’s fair enough, but understand that just because you all are sharing the same opinion doesn’t make you right. There are several people, not only on this comments page but also in the MMA community that share the same feelings about Brock Lesnar. Every single fighter mentioned above all rely on their SKILL and EXPERIENCE to win fights, not their size. So these comparisons really are baseless.

He has skill, you can’t say he doesn’t. The dude didn’t get one offer for a college scholarship and still went on to be a NCAA champion. How do you get experience? you fight. The guy hasn’t backed down from anyone. In his first four fights he will have fought ex or current champions in 50% of them. Erik Paulson, Brock’s trainer is a very underated trainer who prefers to stay in the shadows but he is a Hell of a trainer and I guaruntee you Brock’s gonna suprise the hell out of you with the arsenal he is gathering.

But I do agree that it will be an interesting fight.

Opinions are never right or wrong by definition. I was not a fan of Brock at first (I didn’t even really know who he was). I became a fan after the Herring fight. He uses much more than just his size. Shane Carwin is just as big as Brock, but wears 5XL gloves. He is like 9-0 with all KO’s in the 1st. Is it his fault that he is so dam big people go down when he hits them. He is also a wrestler. Huge HW will not box like BJ or have Muy Thai like Anderson, that is the nature of the division. Would you like a seperate division for super HW?

So you dont think Brock has any skills? Brock has the most important skill in MMA and thats wrestling! Brock was training in MMA for a yr. before his Min Soo Kim fight in 2007. So hes been training since 2006! And his camp is reporting that hes a borderline purple belt in JJ! And all I was saying in my above post is, everybody has their little antics!

All right guys. These are all great points being made and I’ll stop the debate. Maybe I’m wrong about him, but I highly doubt it. My prediction for Couture/Lesnar fight is that he walks across the ring, maybe tries a punch or two, misses, shoots and take Couture down. He will then control him on the ground and do exactly the same thing he did to Herring for 3 rounds. Depending on how much of a beating Couture can take will determine whether or not it goes to decision.

i look at it like this. there are some fans that think brock did nothing but “dry hump” and use lay-n-pray to a victory over herring. i look at as Brock giving an 11 year, 44 fight veteran the worst beating of his life, in only his (brocks) 3rd pro fight! logic rules!

I joined in late on this debate, Brock has the potential to not only be a Champion but a ‘GIANT DICKHEAD’… right now I don’t like the guy I think he’s arrogant and actually more like his WWE persona’ than not. I’m still willing to give him a chance because he hasn’t gone overboard ..YET.

Brock is the prototype of Heavyweights to come. Giant sized athletes from wrestling backgrounds cutting down to make 265lbs and mauling smaller opponents. Soon there will be a 265lb heavyweight in his 20’s with well rounded skills, that will again redefine the heavyweight division… Hopefully that kid will have some class.

Dude – How can you say that Brock is bad for the sport? With him now competing in MMA, he brings a huge amount of exposure that would have otherwise never existed.

If you looked at the heavyweight division a year ago, it was completely dead. DEAD. Now, with Lesnar and many other promising fighters such as Carwin, Dos Santos and Velasquez coming up in the ranks, the HW division has something to be excited about again.

And as far as him being undeserving of a title shot, why not? He completely dominated both of his fights in the UFC (minus the rookie mistake with Mir). He’s not some just a guy who has rested on his laurels of size, speed and strength, he has been working hard at MMA for close to three years now…So quit your hating.

What is all this hating talk? Have you not liked an MMA fighter for any particular reason? I think its funny that the same people telling me I’m “hating” on Brock are the same people “hating” on Sylvia. I dont like the way he fights, I think he hasn’t displayed any MMA skills worth mentioning. His wrestling is decent, probably at the same level as any average UFC fighter. Without his size, he wouldn’t be anything worth noting (probably not even in the UFC). I also want to continue stressing the fact, its not his size that bothers me, but how he got to that size. If someone really got to that level honestly without the use of illegal substances, I would be on the Brock bandwagon also. I highly doubt (once again, this is an opinion) that he has not had a needle in his butt at some point in his life.

Oh yeah, I meant he is bad for the sport because of the wrong type of attention he brings. You mention above, that he brings so much exposure to the sport. Wouldn’t that have been the same argument that EliteXC would use for Kimbo? Not that they are the same, but good exposure is better than more exposure.

Casey, the reason it’s “hating” is because no matter what Brock does you will never change your mind. At least that’s the way it would seem. Give him time and look at what he does with an open mind and he might change your “opinion”.

His wrestling is superior to 99% of any mixed martial artist as of now.

Psyqo78, I am open minded to watching him treat Randy with the respect he deserves after the fight – no matter the outcome. I am also open to watching more stand up or BJJ come from his training. I will be open minded but I really dont think I’ll see it.

And as far as the allegations. Once again steroids don’t make your bones any bigger. The dude is naturally huge. Plus do you are have you ever seen any bacne, Hair loss or gyno on him? Has he ever failed a steroid test? What you have my friend is not an opinion but a theory.

Yeah, maybe, but we’ll never know. I’m not the only one that thinks that.

Casey, if you do see it will it change your mind? I hope so. I am a non biased observer and enthusiast. I appreciate the sport for what it is and enjoy every moment of it.

It will change my mind and respect for him as a fighter – which is really most important. I look forward to watching his fights – however, on a more personal note, I think he is who is. And from what I’ve seen, a meathead with little class.

Now, that is an opinion.LOL.

Heh? “Good exposure is better than no exposure” You pretty much killed your whole argument dude.

Brock is a legitimate MMA athlete who is JUST starting out. The exposure he brings, whether its hardcore MMA fans, WWE rednecks or any novice interested in checking out UFC for the first time will only help the sport grow. And as far as not liking the way he fights…how many HW fighters are fun to watch and don’t even compare to Brock’s athleticism…close to ALL of them.

You might as well get used to Brock because he ain’t going anywhere.

whoops…you said “more exposure”…regardless, the exposure Brock brings IS good. He has created a buzz that no other fighter has brang in a long time. Like him or not he has earned the right to be considered a top HW. I don’t think anyone will be able to stop him.

And as far as your steroid claims, you’re only speculating, until there is solid PROOF, you don’t have an argument.

His submission game is underrated.

Ronaldo Souza anyone?

And it’s not like you have to be a gracie black belt to submit someone who has poor submission defense.

Now that you mentioned Jacare, where’s John at? That’s John’s boy right there.:]

Dirt, I really doubt Dana is going to bring that fight to fruition. It’s a lose lose fight ( or loose loose as John would say). I personally would like to see that fight but I am not expecting to.

how about josh barnett