The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 8: Episode 7 recap and discussion
by Jesse Holland on Oct 29, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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Episode seven of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) is now underway and with a title like "Body Bag" one has to wonder what exactly we're in store for before (or perhaps during) tonight's light heavyweight elimination fight.
We get a quick recap of last week's Browning vs. Delgado fight and while Roli gets props for his heart and determination (despite the split-decision loss), Team Blue is running a train on Junie for his inability to finish what most perceived to be the show's weakest link.
Coach Mir said it best:
"Okay let's be realistic, you just went three rounds with Rolando."
Afterward, Team Mir hits practice with an upbeat feeling, having tied things up at two fights apiece and retaining control of the fight picks. That is until Krzysztof Soszynski gets hitchhiker's thumb courtesy of Eliot Marshall's flailing man-bag.
Krystos is convinced it's either broken or fractured, but vows to fight on with no problems or complaints.
We shall see.
Coach Mir has also recruited Rafael Alejarra, Wanderlei Silva's personal trainer to help teach his troops how to train for fight conditioning and not just good gym cardio. With that, out comes the snorkels to restrict oxygen and mimic the effects of being wiped in the later rounds of a grueling fight.
To keep any of the guys from dropping dead, they pay homage to Millvina Dean by dumping them into a garbage pail filled with ice water immediately following their workout to reduce muscle inflammation and restore blood flow.
Mir ends the segment with his second best quote:
"People can take physical pain, people can take mental anguish, but cardio pain crushes everybody."
Then he has to go and ruin my newfound admiration for him by telling Vinny Magalhaes that he (Mags) has better jiu-jitsu than Coach Noguiera. Vinny (who by his own admission is despised in Brazil) just nods in agreement like its common knowledge and says that Nog's jits is "very basic."
We're talking about a guy who has ended 20 professional fights via submission - against some of the worlds best fighters. Can we show a little respect? If there is justice in this world, someone will pay for this heresy.
Speaking of Big Nog, Team Nogueira also hits the gym and starts running back and forth with their arms interlocked like a human coin pusher from the mall arcade. Team Red appreciates the lighthearted approach though Coach Nogueira longs for the days when he had control of the fight picks.
They continue the party-like atmosphere back at the house when Jules and Phillipe bake Nog a cake for his birthday. Jules says baking a cake for Nogueira is a dream come true and one of the best experiences of his life. They cook up a literal feast and chow down while laughing and having fun.
The cynic in me wanted to point my finger and laugh but truth be told I almost wished I was there (I like cake). Though I will admit Nog looked a little Corky-ish sitting there clapping his hands in excitement after blowing out the candles on his cake.
A bitter and jealous Shane Nelson says that Team Red is too close and sucks each other's d*%& too much. Sounds like someone didn't get a piece of cake.
Vinny takes over for Junie in the A-hole department and starts calling Team Nogueira fake for all their camaraderie and admits he's there not for his team but for himself.
Mags is sure to get recruited by a great MMA camp with that attitude.
At the fight announcement, Team Mir chooses Vinny Magalhaes to fight Jules Bruchez because Mir is convinced that Jules will easily be destroyed by the jiu-jitsu black belt.
We get a closer look at Vinny as he prepares for his fight with Jules and he does have an impressive grappling resume but as Mir states, still has a few areas that need attention before he can be considered a complete fighter.
Unfortunately for Vinny, Junie Browning has the verbal restraint of an African Grey Parrot and tells some of the Team Red guys about Vinny's belief that he is equal or superior to Nogueira when it comes to jiu-jitsu.
Nog smiles on the outside and detonates on the inside. He explains to the guys that there is a marked difference between what you can do in training and what you can do inside a locked cage and says Vinny has "little balls."
In addition, Nog finds Vinny in the gym and blacks out on him in Portuguese. After telling him they are now "enemies," Vinny has nothing to say except how he respects Nog and he never said anything of the sort and blah, blah, blah.
Nog also tells him they are not on speaking terms and that Vinny blew his chance of having any contact with him now or in the future. Vinny begs him to check the tape to clear his name and then later in the confessional goes right back to being a tough guy and mouthing off about how he doesn't care if Nog speaks to him or not.
After the dust settles we go to the training of Jules Bruchez. Coach Stankie tells him it would be nice if he was good on top so that he wouldn't have to go down and dirty and smell all those farts. For a moment I felt like I was back in my sex-ed class in high school.
Coach Noguiera likes the power in Jules hands and thinks his heart will be the difference.
Back at the house, Krzysztof decides its time to get his prank on and orders a fake tombstone and body bag for Jules bedroom. I'm still trying to figure out where they got the body bag. Presumably from the supply closet at Stankie's nursing home. Anyway, I get the feeling Krzysztof is picking Vinny in this fight.
Team Red comes home to find the mock-funeral and once again it ends rather anti-climatically for the simple reason that Bruchez was more impressed by the prank then offended by it.
In the locker room before the fight, Vinny admits he had a dream that he was submitted by Jules. Mir vows to quit as a coach if that dream comes true. Jules on the other hand would be content just to knock Vinny's head clean off.
Team Mir's Vinny Magalhaes (2-2) vs. Team Nogueira's Jules Bruchez (0-0)
Round 1: Vinny opens with two high kicks and a right, none of which land. He follows with an inside leg kick that does. Jules answers with one of his own that just gets the shin. A frightened Jules has the head movement of John the Baptiste. Vinny lands another inside leg kick. Jules misses a punch, Vinny misses a kick. Nice body kick by Vinny who follows it with an inside leg kick. Hard body kick by Vinny. And another. Both fighters seem content to do nothing but bob and weave. Jules lands a jab and a front kick, misses with another. A background shot of Dan Henderson has him looking bored. Jules charges with a combo and a Vinny clinch turns into a flying armbar attempt. It's unsuccessful but they go to the ground and Vinny easily mounts. Vinny shows impressive flexibility as he starts with a gogoplata and finishes with an armbar.
Vinny Magalhaes defeats Jules Bruchez via submission (armbar).
Tedious fight. UFC President Dana White was not impressed with the phantom stand-up from either fighter. I can't blame Jules since he owns a professional record of 0-0. Nice finish by Vinny but again his striking could prove to be his downfall in the semis.
Stay tuned next week as the latest prank involves stolen food and one man's retribution, two lightweights square off for a chance to advance and a shocking betrayal by one fighter leaves the house in shock.
See you in seven!
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if its on mir’s team its either Vinicius “Vinny” Magalhaes or junie
if its a fighter from nog’s team its.
in fact id say vinny cause he is brazilian and he has a black belt himself and trains in the school that helio founded so it must be him. but junie be that idiot type is also a shoe in
by the heat on Oct 29, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t really questioning it.
That was by far the best episode of the season in my opinion. That is exactly what I expect out of the show every week. Training sessions and a fight. I think Vinnie will win the season and nover for the LW’s.
No junie and no gay underwear pranks.
Mir, while an arrogant guy, is a good coach and knows his stuff!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 30, 2008 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
one other comment about vinny saying he’s there for himself and not the team, I couldn’t agree more! These aren’t his normal training partners, and there is only one contract in each weight class. I don’t know where you guys fall in this, but I totally 100% agree. If you can learn and take something from the experience, whether it be a new skill or a personal trait that was good or bad, bottom line is it’s 100% about you, not the team, and I respect him more for admitting it!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 30, 2008 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
kevin, couldn’t agree more with Vinny’s there for himself comment (although I do NOT like the guy). It would be different if there were more than one contract, but there’s not. The “team” concept is simply for training and having the ability to pick your opponents, but some of these guys buy in a little too much. Of course, it doesn’t hurt to have that team/family feeling, I imagine, when you’re locked away in a house with a bunch of numbskulls for so long!
by chefdaddy on Oct 30, 2008 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Kev and Chef-
Agree and disagree.
You are there for individual accomplishment but you have to work in a team environment.
Alienating the other contestants with your sour attitude is counter productive.
You don’t have to be an individualistic pompous jack@ss to be successful.
You can just keep quiet, “slip under the radar” and complete your agenda.
Plus, dissing NOG is beyond ridiculous. That is just plain stupid.
by OJR on Oct 30, 2008 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a good episode. I liked how they showed more of the training this week. Last week when I saw them previews of them training with the snorkels, all I thought of was Wanderlei, and they brought in his trainer for that training.
HOWEVER, at the end of the fight, you can see Dan Henderson (Vinny’s coach from back home at Team Quest) congratulate Vinny in the octagon.
QUESTION: Where was Dan for the rest of the episode?? Whenever a UFC fighter stops by the gym, they always get a little camera time and what not. What was up with that?
by ViolentMike on Oct 30, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
VM.. I picked up on that 2.. when Dan went and shook Mags hand.. no intro.. no nada.. it was at the very end.. we saw Dan Henderson.. I guess he is seeing how things work on the TUF production.. he will most likely be the US Coach for season 9.
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I missed the last 2 episodes because my Philadelphia Phillies were winning the world series!
I literally Danced the streets of Philadelphia last night til about 10 am.
The Parade on Friday is going to be insane!
26 years old and this is the 1st time I witnessed Philly win ANYTHING!!! DAMN it Feels good!
Keg for Breakfast! Anyone care to join me? lol
by john on Oct 30, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m guessing to introduce a fighter as a special trainer, you got to pay them. Dan was strictly there as a friend.
maybe??
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 30, 2008 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey John, I was wondering, how long have you lived in, or near, Philly for?
by ViolentMike on Oct 30, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Congrats John. Maybe one day my Rangers will win a World Series. But I will be god damned a thousand times over before I celebrate any Eagles win.
by PW on Oct 30, 2008 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
VM:L I been living in philly all 26 years of my life!
by john on Oct 30, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t understand team sports at all. The guys on the team come from all over the country and some out of the country. Cole hamals is a california kid, Utley too. California should be celebrating not Philly. It’s just stupid to connect yourself to a bunch o guys accomplishments that you have zero connection to.
by Pug on Oct 30, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
“It’s just stupid to connect yourself to a bunch o guys accomplishments that you have zero connection to.”
Like rooting for MMA fighters ?
by OJR on Oct 30, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
good job OJR, pug obviously lives in seattle, hence nothing to cheer for. a sure bet is a seattle team losing and rain!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 30, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
MMA fans root for or against guys strictly for personal reasons. You root against a guy who is a dick or for a guy who you think is the underdog or you think is an exciting fighter. People who root for a pro team just root for anybody who happens to wear their uniform. It really makes no sense. I’m all for drinking and partying for but call the phillies celebration for what it is; it’s just an excuse to get trashed.
by Pug on Oct 30, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong pug, I haven’t drank in 3 years, still would celebrate and did celebrate any boston teams championship, without drinking mind you!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 30, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Pug’s screwed-up psychology aside, I have to think that they didn’t mention Hendo because he will be featured in a future episode as a guest trainer. With both Vinny and Krystoff from Team Quest, he probably already did some coaching and when it fits in to a better situation, they add via editing when there is less to show otherwise. I noticed Anderson in the background several times before his episode as a guest coach. Also, Lyoto has constantly been in the cameras view without mention so he will probably get some air-time, too.
by PJJ on Oct 31, 2008 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
A question for those of you in the know. Vinny is 4 time world champ in BJJ. It seems like there are a LOT of world champs out there. How is that? I have the assumption that there is ONE tournament per year to determine the champs in different weight classes. Or is it multiple tournaments with different champs claiming “world’s best?” A little knowledge dropping would be appreciated. Thanks.
by chefdaddy on Oct 30, 2008 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The Mundials.. is like the Superbowl of Gi BJJ..the ADCC being the NO Gi Super bowl.
This event is once a year. usually more then a two day event ..and held in Brazil.till recently it started to take place in CA.. ( The mecca of Jits in America ).
You can be Mundial Champ.. at different belt levels and weight classes.
Ex: Cain V.. THe new UFC HW.. won the Mundial at the blue belt level of his weight class. You can also compete in the absolute division which is all weights of your skill set.
The Mundials are the Olympics of BJJ.. last year they even started the NO GI Mundials..
The biggest stage of the Mundials.. are the Black Belt level.. that is where we see the cream of la cream competing in.. even better the Black belt Absolute Division can makes some1 a BJJ super star over night… or add to his/her stock.
When I was in Brazil in 04/05.. I was informed that Brazilian’s have to compete in their own academies.. for a spot in the Mundials.. only 2 of each level and weight would represent such and such school.. but for the forigeniers.. that did not apply.
I’m not sure if the same thing is being done today.
So to answer your question… with the Mundials existence there a many Mundial Champs today. Just take notice at what level.. a medal was won in.. and if the bjj player won the absolute..
EX: Pe de Pano.. Mauricio Cruz.. Won his division and the absolute as a purple, brown, and black belt.. He won three years in row.. that is why he regarded as one of the best BJJ guys i nthe world.. he became a BJJ superstar during the 90’s with his Mundial accomplishments.
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
De nada.. to add.. usually the Mundials in Rio are held at the end of July..and at the Tijuca Tenis Clube. ( It’s Huge )
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Phil-
Your posts are golden. Keep dropping that knowledge. Truth.
by OJR on Oct 30, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Man.. I love MMAmania.. this is where it’s at.. this site is what UFC is to MMA!!!
OJR.. I learn as much from our sport from my fellow maniacs.. then I do from the top MMA “anaylists” out there.. it’s a good feeling to know I can play position.. and share my insight with my peeps on this site.
OJR.. I learn as much from our sport from my fellow maniacs.. then I do from the top MMA “anaylists” out there.. it’s a good feeling to know I can play position.. and share my insight with my peeps on this site.MMA is for MANIACS!!! If you’re a MMAfan.. and have a computer/ internet.. and even if you don’t have 1.. find a friend.. go to the public liberay near you..do what you go to do… and get on this site.
MMAMANIA.. is where where the finest…indepth… loyalist.. craziest.. all that.. reside at!!
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I love when john and phil compliment each other, it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.
good write up phil!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 30, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
How’s that hangover john? I bet it’s a doozy!
by chefdaddy on Oct 30, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Chef-
I don’t blame john. If my beloved Bears were to win the SB I would be swimming in beer hops and hookers.
by OJR on Oct 30, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, he’s probably still drinking!!!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 30, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
OJR, they’r MY Bears as well. They win the SB, I’m flying out to your party. I’ll buy the beer and liquor, you buy the ladies? lol
by chefdaddy on Oct 30, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys are too funny, and phil that was some great info! i want to see phillipe get in there and F some shit up, hes gonna take this season. im sure of it!
by medecine balls on Oct 30, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys.. I’m Psyched up to see next weeks episode!!!
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Next week’s fruit tray incident is going to be fantastic!!!
by PJJ on Oct 31, 2008 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No reason that question should be moderated Mania. And where’s my Playboy from 2 contests ago? But I’d still happily settle for a Mania t-shirt! lol
by chefdaddy on Oct 30, 2008 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
NO KIDDING!!!!!!!
I should have that autographed issue by now!
I had that fight predicted exactly, right down to the exact scores on the judges score cards, and was the first to post it.
I had emailed Mania asking what was up, but never heard back. I asked him in a couple of threads, but no response.
I know it usually takes him a couple of weeks to get stuff sent out. Hopefully he’ll be acknowledging the winners soon…
by ViolentMike on Oct 30, 2008 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
VM, mine was from the contest BEFORE that one, lol, the one with the Dana White interview!
by chefdaddy on Oct 30, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I still haven’t received a t shirt from like 2 months ago.
by James S on Oct 30, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Sick bjj at the of that fight. i was hoping for a gogo but nice switch to the armbar.
by doomdoom on Oct 29, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
there is a straight up Genki Sudo style armbar in the tryout tapes for TUF 9 or whatever the next one is. I for the life of me can’t remember the site, but i sent the info to mania. if you can find it its about 4:40 on the tape.
by sycboi on Oct 30, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
sick jits…imagine if vinny had striking skills like thiago silva…this guy’d be a UFC champ someday…and only 23? nuts man…
by TabascoSAUCE on Oct 30, 2008 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Dana was unimpressed with Vinny’s standup but did anyone see those welts on Jules’ chest and stomach fromm those kicks? They were wicked. He might get by just fine if he keeps ripping people open with those kicks.
by RedDog on Oct 30, 2008 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
anyone else see machida with mir’s team during the b-day dinner?
by ActionJackson on Oct 29, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
ditto I was wondering if tit was him but the uni-brow gives it away.
by sycboi on Oct 30, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he can speak English yet either so he probably just sat there all night. Man it sucks for Vinny because he should have been on Nogs team, he could have learned a ton from Nog, Machida, and Silva.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 30, 2008 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Mir isn’t exactly on the BJJ short bus either. And apparently Vinny Vidi Vici is no longer welcome in Brazil. If he wasn’t before the show, he definitely isn’t now after bagging on Nog.
by PW on Oct 30, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I had to rewind coz i wasn’t so sure. Vinny was sitting a bit close to them even though he said they were fake.
by NameNotRequired on Oct 29, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, dude go work it on the ground. The ‘a-holeness’ of team mirr is contagious though and vinny has caught it too
by obsessedwithsports on Oct 29, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
Very true, the only person there who doesn’t have that is Horwich. Man, after that performance he’s gonna get smashed in his next fight.
by NameNotRequired on Oct 29, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Nover the guy that Dana keeps secretly hyping?
by EazyEismydad on Oct 30, 2008 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve Seen Phillippe Nover fight live at ROC 03/16/07.. and yep. it’s him.. for sure.. the way he dismantled Duarte was good look into what is in store for the Brooklyn native.. plus his personna is very similiar to Silva’s IMO..
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve Seen Phillippe Nover fight live at ROC 03/16/07.. and yep. it’s him.. for sure.. the way he dismantled Duarte was good look into what is in store for the Brooklyn native.. plus his personna is very similiar to Silva’s IMO..
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
How did he do at the fight you seen him fight at live?
by ViolentMike on Oct 30, 2008 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
he won via Kimura.. and didn’t get a scratch on him. He won… with ease.
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the funniest lines so far was that first episode with Dana. “I guess I can’t call him Faintin’ Phillipe anymore.” after he worked over Duarte.
by PJJ on Oct 31, 2008 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Not for a little while, I imagine john is going to be nursing one “mother” of a hangover today. lol
by chefdaddy on Oct 30, 2008 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I think so too.. John will be a tad bit late today to up on the threads.. Big ups to Philly!!!
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
id be willing to bet next episode involves junie saying something stupid then doing something to back up his stupidity
by randy murders on Oct 29, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
is there two fights next week, because i got the impression that there was two fights, i hope so because this episode was kind of lame
by Jacob Camargo on Oct 29, 2008 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
are you going to cover the affliction relaity show “fighting fedor” also jesse?
by brendan on Oct 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
Why, can’t get enough of this word vomit?
by Jesse Holland on Oct 30, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Machida was boring , even at a b-day party
by riskreturngroup on Oct 30, 2008 12:31 AM EDT reply actions
“Vinny (who by his own admission is despised in Brazil) just nods in agreement like its common knowledge and says that Nog’s jits is "very basic."
We’re talking about a guy who has ended 20 professional fights via submission – against some of the worlds best fighters. Can we show a little respect? If there is justice in this world, someone will pay for this heresy."
Basic isn’t necessarily an insult. Royce’s BJJ is basic. Kron’s bjj is basic. BJJ in MMA is, for the most part, basic. Nog is excellent at effective, basic BJJ because that is what works for his career. Sport BJJ isn’t what he does.
by Simco on Oct 30, 2008 1:36 AM EDT reply actions
Didn’t notice this comment. that’s 100% correct. Sport BJJ allows for De La Riva guard, spider guard, X guard, etc….you wouldn’t rock the spider guard much in MMA, you’d work a basic open or closed guard….you wouldn’t attempt flying this and the other moves, you’d go for solid ‘basic’ moves.
every once in a while you’ll see impressive sweeps and transitions in MMa because rare opportunities DO present themselves, but again, they are rare.
the show presented the comments as insults, but all Mir and vin were saying is that Nog’s game is straight up old school basic BJJ, not new school fancy moves BJJ.
go watch a Marcelo Garcia BJJ fight or anything competition-wise and you’ll see cool moves that would never work in MMA. Nog doesn’t bother with those moves.
On the same hand, if you compete in psort BJJ and go to MMA, 5-6 years klater, you might not do AS well at pure sport BJJ, because your game has changed too much.
by xocgx on Oct 30, 2008 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed, I see it like this…Nog is like the Tim Duncan of bjj. Fundamentally sound which is the most practical and effective in MMA. He doesn’t give up postion to pull something off. He just maintains pressure and works slowly to where he wants to be and finishes you. He’s not going to aoki-plata anybody or do any flying submissions. I don’t think what Vinny said was much of an insult at all.
by Crowls on Oct 30, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
“Nog looked a little Corky-ish sitting there clapping his hands in excitement after blowing out the candles on his cake.”
LOL
by RedDog on Oct 30, 2008 3:12 AM EDT reply actions
Vinny is a tosser disrespecting a legend! he is 2 & 2 so he can’t be all that …
by Tony on Oct 30, 2008 7:10 AM EDT reply actions
Fellow Maniacs:
Last night as I watched episode 7.. as I saw/ heard the convo between Mir and Mags.. I was in disbelief.. I paused it.. rewinded it like 4X to see if my hearing was off.. Mir of course baited Mags into his own omission that he is better then Nog in positions and submission on the ground.. I flipped.. texted my buddy John.. " like what did he just say.."
Big Nog in 37 MMA matches.. has 19 submissions.. he is an icon in the Brazilian JiuJitsu Community.. and a remarkable human being.. and Mir thinks Mags is better then Nog?? Mags agrees..that was the dumbest move IMO Mags could of pulled.. For him being hated in Brazil.. that is the least of it.. Now it’s official.. In my years of following MMA.. I have never been as hyped to see BigNog fight ..till now!!! I pray to the BJJ/MMA Gods..that Nog teaches Mir a lesson.. I don’t even care if Mags won 14 World Jits titles.. and 1/2 dozen Pan American titles.. that is something you jus don’t do.. Now I hope their is justice served for Mags.. get him to fight lil’Nog.. let him try a flying arm bar on lil’ Nog.. let him try to stand with lil’Nog.. Guys.. believe it I was..and still am a bit ticked off.
I knew that Mags was going to win this match up.. I don’t question Jules’s heart.. but Mags Jits is dangerous without question..but this must of been the 1st time as a fan of MMA I rooted against a brazilian blooded fighter.. fighting against an American..( that’s not Randy Couture )..
I hope Mags.. gets Ryan next.. so Ryan can lay a can of woop ass on Mags.. Maniacs.. I’m still scartching my head.. how can someone that has been brought up.. since 13 in BJJ.. and have this kind attitude towards a BJJ Legend in Nogueria.. ( Breathing ).. hummm..is beneath me.
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 8:26 AM EDT reply actions
Phil, I have a question up above that you might be one to answer. Could you give it a shot?
by chefdaddy on Oct 30, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I read your entire post about how BJJ championships work and I respect you a lot for that, so don’t take this personally.
But I think you have to differentiate pure BJJ skills and MMA BJJ skills. I don’t think anyone thinks Mags can beat Big Nog in MMA even on the ground. But Mags has much better BJJ credentials than Big Nog. Despite the fact that he has good MMA BJJ, Big Nog has rubbish BJJ credentials. From my understanding he’s more or less 1-1 in BJJ competition (losing via submission to Ricco Rodriguez). However, he’s adapted it well to MMA and the fact that he can take a beating helps him a lot.
In other words, Mags has better BJJ than Big Nog hands down – there shouldn’t be any controversy in that.
by Tim on Oct 30, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim.. in this scenario.. Vinny should over never agreed with .. or went along with Mir.. Nog.. has the best Jits as HW for MMA.. IMO.. Ever!
Tim.. in this scenario.. Vinny should over never agreed with .. or went along with Mir.. Nog.. has the best Jits as HW for MMA.. IMO.. Ever!Vinny has now IMO.. amongst the Brazilian Jits circut.. made more enemies..then friends. It’s not a black or white issue.. it’s in between the lines.. where Vinny F’d up at.. He should of never said anything of that nature about Nog.. Nog is an icon in Brazil.. and BJJ is for Real fighting.. first and fore Jits is for self defense.. Sport BJJ is good.. it’s tuf.. and fun.. all that.. but BJJ was created to handle real life scenarios.. like the rules of vale tudo.. or MMA… Nog is the best at that.. BJJ for Vale Tudo… MMA.. I reallt respect your point of view.. but this scenario was not good for Vinny.. he is not BJJ politically correct anymore.
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
To Vin’s potential defense, saying someone’s BJJ is basic is not an insult…some guy’s (myself included) have a gameplan that is nthing fancy, not flying armbars or cartwheel passes….just old school guard passes and old school chokes/armbars. Roger Gracie doesn’t do flashy moves either, but he wins. Saying he has a basic game only means he keeps it old school and non-flashy.
Editors can make one statement in 20 seem like your only point. as Mir said, he has a bread and butter game. Nothing fancy but it gets the job done.
by xocgx on Oct 30, 2008 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
as much of a prick as vinny is, he definatly has some pretty good jitz. if he can put together some more well rounded skills to go with it i see him doing well as a fighter. the only thing is, he hasnt really been tested. i mean, that clown he fought last night was scared shitless you could tell. not to mention he probably shouldnt even be there. i’d like to see him against either bader, or the either one of his teammates that look to be way tougher competition. i just hope someone beats his ass cuz i hate dudes like him.
by allamerican on Oct 30, 2008 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
That’s the dullest MMA fight I’ve ever seen, the producers should have made this a 2 fight night or something.
IMO Jules punked out a bit, he surely knew his only chance was to stand with Vinny, he even said as much. However he unfortunately looked afraid to engage (seems like Vinny is not the only one who doesn’t like getting hit) and then bizarrely decided to try to take Vinny down.
by JL on Oct 30, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
It wasn’t that bad. Vinny’s kick looked like they hurt and it was funny how much better he was on the ground than jules.
by Pug on Oct 30, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Jules, you’re 30, 0-0 and have NO SKILLS. Give it up.
by Gankaho on Oct 30, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil are you from Brazil? I’m from Rio living in Philly
but yeah man i agree with u totally, ive never rooted against a fellow brazilian before, but the way vinny talked about nog behind his back was disgusting, even worse was him not admitting it afterwards when nog confronted him, wouldnt even look him in the eye! mir is an a-hole too, nog needs to destroy that guy in december
anyway in the next LHW fight i hope Kyle is able to put up a fight against Krzystof seriously
by Marz on Oct 30, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Krzystof I will root for because he is the only LH that can beat Vinny. It made me sick for him to spit on Nog like that throughout the show and how guys keep calling his team a bunch of f@gs. You know what is gay, calling people gay behind their backs and not saying it to their face.
by Pug on Oct 30, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Marz: Sou Americano filho de Brasileiros.. meu pai e do Rio .. mai mae de Recife.. Eu viver no Rio de Janerio em 2004 /05.. ai eu tavar fazendo BJJ na Gracie Barra..
Eu viver No Flamengo.. e tb.. Campo Grande.. Zona Oeste..
Eu Nasci e fio criado aq em New York.. hoje em dia meu Professor de Jiujitsu e’ Master Marcos Santos.
I met Big Nog.. when I was in Rio.. he is a super nice guy.. respectful.. we talked for like 5 minutes.. he took time out to talk to me.. a stranger.. I became more of his fan.. for Vinny to come out his.. had me shaking my head.. Personnally.. I don’t care if your jits is sick.. or if ur a great athlete ..or musician.. if your a piece os shit.. personality wise.. for your jits.. your music wahtever.. that’s my moto… We are people dealing with people.. and there somethings you don’t do/say.. and IMO Vinny did those things.. against the MMA legend in Nogueria.
A gente .. falar um pouco mais depois.. eu to querando ir para Philly pra visitar meu parcero John.. tb.. Marz.. Para BemS!!!! World Series Champs.. the Phil’s!!!.. and that is coming from a Met’s fan.
by PhilQNY on Oct 30, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
fala Phil,
Ive been away for a few days only saw your comment now, mas muito legal voce ter morado no rio e ta treinando jiu-jitsu, eu to querendo comecar mas theres not enough time pra treinar e fazer a faculdade aqui
big nog really does seem like a genuinely great guy though, its good to know that true haha, mas agente se fala ai pelos boards!!
abraco
by Marz on Oct 31, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So Junie is now training at Xtreme Couture. Do you think Randy can straighten him out?
by DSmith on Oct 30, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
I know I’m probably retarded but did it say if Krystoff is going to be able to fight or is he totally done all it said was he would fight wether or not his fist was 100%
by Jared on Oct 30, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
Man, I hate Vinny so much, not only for saying what he said on this episode, but for everything else he said about Brazil. I would like to know what other brazilians have to say about this a$$hole. To change a little bit, I’m pretty sure he is 4 time jiu-jitsu world champion as a brown belt. I don’t think he ever won one as a black belt
by Cristiano from Brazil on Oct 30, 2008 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
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