Scott Smith offers a fighter's perspective on the fall of EliteXC
by Jesse Holland on Oct 29, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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Former EliteXC middleweight contender Scott "Hands of Steel" Smith was set to face Cuban Judo Olympian Hector "Shango" Lombard at Elite XC "Night of Champions" on November 8 live on Showtime from the Reno Events Center in Reno, Nevada.
It was supposed to be the last event for Elite XC in 2008 … and it was shaping up to be perhaps the promotion’s best offering to date. Two world title fights were on the line, including a 185-pound showdown between division champion Robbie Lawler and Joey Villasenor and a 160-pound dream match up between Nick Diaz and Eddie Alvarez for the vacant lightweight crown.
Smith had trained hard and was prepared to make the most of the opportunity, until a late night phone call changed his career forever.
"I was hearing rumors and I actually got a call from a guy that works for the UFC and he was like 'Hey, what's going on?' and I was like I don't know, you probably know more than I do. Then my manager called and said it was pretty much a done deal."
Little more than two weeks after its biggest star, Kimbo Slice, lost in just 14 seconds to replacement journeyman Seth Petruzelli in front of 4.5 million people on CBS, Elite XC was forced to close its doors forever.
"When I saw Kimbo lose (to Seth Petruzelli) I thought oh this isn't good for EliteXC, they've got all their eggs in one basket. Then when I saw the controversy I knew it was just a matter of time at that point. We were kind of hoping for the November card just to get one last payday but everybody knew it was inevitable, it was just a matter of when."
That payday was one that not only Smith, but hundreds of other EliteXC employees were probably counting on. What made it even more difficult for Smith was the timing of the collapse. The closer he got to 'Night of Champions,' the more hopeful he became about the event still taking place.
"I've been in camp for over eight weeks and I've been pushing myself hard. It's one thing if [it happens] two months out from a fight, but two weeks? It's devastating. Even if I lost, worst case scenario, (including sponsorship money) I would still be out close to $40,000. Until all the paperwork and everything is done I'm not going to be cleared to fight somewhere else before the end of the year. It's close to the holidays, I got a mortgage to pay, I've got two kids, it's tough."
The company dug a deep $60 million hole of which it was never able to climb out. Obviously, no money — investors who were supposed to keep the company alive at least until the end of the year never materialized — equals no events, especially when there’s not even a pay-per-view (PPV) deal to fall back on.
"It was purely financial." Smith explains. "They had to have funding by a certain time, I believe it was Sunday or Monday night. If they didn't get that funding the next day they were filing for bankruptcy. Everybody pretty much knew they weren't going to get the funding. Supposedly CBS backed out because of the controversy with the [Petruzelli] fight, they were going to buy the company, but I personally think it was because of the whole Kimbo thing. He's not nearly as marketable now that he got exposed. I think they're using the controversy as an excuse. I talked to Showtime and they invested too much money in EliteXC and they had to draw the line and this was the line and they couldn't put another penny into it."
In the end, the talent was there near the top … it just wasn’t enough to compensate for all the other shortcomings and struggles that upstart mixed martial arts promotions face attempting to get off the ground.
Especially one that builds a promotion around a fighter that has never been tested against real competition - something that Smith believes was their downfall from the beginning.
"[Kimbo] was getting a lot of attention. He was definitely worth fighting and putting on cards and promoting, but they were getting too much away from the Robbie Lawlers and the Jake Shields of the company and just focusing too much on Kimbo. I've remained friends with a lot of people from the UFC and they were really upset about [the Kimbo push] calling it a joke. All I can do is support the company I'm working for and hope for the best. I do like Kimbo as a person, he's a great guy. I have no problem with them promoting Kimbo and building him up because he does have potential to be a great fighter but it was [too much, too soon]."
For a company that was plagued with rumors of poor decision making and gross mishandling by its executives, Smith defends the EliteXC management's handling of the fiasco, specifically by Head of Fight Operations Jeremy Lappen.
"Jeremy Lappen actually called me last night. He was very professional, very nice. He apologized for having to cancel the card and I kind of felt bad for the guy, that's a tough phone call to make. (Lappen) said they even offered for upper management not to get a paycheck for this fight to try to make (the November card) happen. I consider Jeremy a friend and I really appreciated that phone call, it was very professional of him."
Despite the financial loss, the sudden end and subsequent unemployment hasn't soured Smith on his experience under the Pro Elite banner. In fact, Smith considers his tenure with EliteXC to be one of the best of his career.
"I'm happy I did it. Everybody from EliteXC treated me great, they took care of me, they paid me well - better than what I was getting at the UFC. I got great exposure, gained some great sponsorship including Affliction which I would have never gotten had I stayed in the UFC. Even how things turned out, I would do the same thing again. I made more money in 2008 then I made - ever."
With the experience behind him, Smith must now concentrate on an uncertain future. While he has been approached by smaller organizations who are interested in his services, Smith still has to wait for the paperwork to be sorted out.
In the interim, he's optimistic that one of the bigger promotions will be ready and waiting for him when that time finally comes.
"The hard thing is I just don't know what's going to happen. All I can do is keep training. And if I've ever said anything bad about Strikeforce or the UFC or Affliction, I take it all back. I love all those guys!"
For more on Scott Smith and the demise of EliteXC, check out his interview on MMAmania's exclusive presentation of Pro MMA Radio by clicking here.
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Very classy but will Dana bother take him back?
If he Burkman has a contract can’t see why Smith can’t
by IrishKev on Oct 29, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Many of these unemployed EliteXC fighters are going to flock to compete at the K-1 Dynamite/DReam mma show on New years eve in Japan. Scott should try to get in on that show.
Im already reading rumors of petruzelli/Kimbo 2 for that show. There is a great chance that Nick diaz fights on this card.
Speaking of the card, Cro Cop vs. Alistar 2 is on that card
Speaking of Alistar, I heard he may be coming to the UFC in 2009…dunno how true that is
by john on Oct 29, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Petruzelli/Kimbo rematch will happen in Kimbo’s backyard.
by Grembone on Oct 29, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One Question: Who is going to be paying Seth to stay standing this time?
by ViolentMike on Oct 29, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what they sho8uld do, if this is true is just have it a k-1 rules match up to maintain the integrity of the sport
by john on Oct 29, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could but it would probally be worse for kimbo, just fight.
by roy on Oct 29, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that Elite XC is dead, I don’t see how that match up makes any sense? Even if Kimbo wins, that wouldn’t really undo anything that happened. He was exposed as a fraud, and I don’t think anyone would forget that. On top of that, Kimbo was paid 500 grand for his last fight. What would they offer him in a rematch?
by naturalshadow on Oct 30, 2008 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see why they wouldn’t take Smith back. Good name recognition and we all can agree on this site that he is not an A level fighter but he is at least B level. Sign him onto a short contract maybe 3 fights and have him fight some TUF names or up and comers… if he wins then the UFC would keep him of course but if he loses well that helps the up and comers get a recognized name under their belt and helps to build their image. Its a win win and I’m sure Smith would be cheap to get back into the UFC, no more than 15k a fight.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 29, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does put on exciting fights.
by naturalshadow on Oct 30, 2008 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad scott will never fight for a title again!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 29, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he fought for a title?….oh yeah, elite’s. we both know that was not a real title.he.he. :)
by b.w. on Oct 29, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
F THAT! I am gonna keep it real, I am a closet Scott Smith fan! The guy is always exciting. He probably isnt even in the top 20 but he is damn fun to watch and he has a great attitude and warrior spirit. He also gave us an instant classic fight that I will never forget when him and Drago banged it out! Props to Scott for keeping it real and staying classy. Hope he lands with someone soon. Affliction or strikeforce would be good for him.
by john on Oct 29, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEAH JOHN!
After the Drago fight, any MMA fan has to be a Scott Smith fan. Well, not quite but…
Scott will always make for an exciting fight when matchup up with a non wreslter / BJJ fighter. That is, as long as you don’t punch or kip him anywhere near the ribs. Why is he so fragile in that area, yet can take a led pipe to the chin and smile???
by ViolentMike on Oct 29, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
VM.. Pete Sell vs Scott 1 of my all time favorite fights ever.. I was blessed to watch it.. live.. instant MMA classic!!!
by PhilQNY on Oct 29, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hail Marry KO out of nowhere when he was hurt none the less made me a Scott Smith fan. I don’t bank on him winning any titles but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying his fights, if there is a Scott Smith fight on you can bet I’ll be watching it. The guy likes to stand and trade and doesn’t back down, he is always exciting to watch and always fights to win.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 29, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it’s not too much of a stretch to say he’s top 20…
by JB on Oct 29, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my 1rst post below is more of what my true sediments towards smith are.
by b.w. on Oct 29, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JOHN. btw, fun to watch,has a great attitude and has a warrior spirit describes FORREST GRIFFIN to a tee, and thats keeping it 4 real. have you been secretly a closet fan of his all along? :)
by b.w. on Oct 29, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not since Forrest cost him a ton of money by beating Rampage.
by PW on Oct 29, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure this guy will turn up in one of the majors. I think Affliction would be a good fit for him I think they will be able to get some decent fights. I don’t think that Scott will ever hold a major belt but he is still fun to watch.
by HandsomeTim on Oct 29, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very classy guy by the sounds of it, I mean not kicking a promotion when its down (and out)
Will Dana take him back though?
Can’t see why not if Burkman and Sell have a contract
by IrishKev on Oct 29, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
smith got treated and paid so well by elite b/c he was a former ufc and tuf veteran. he is a decent, tough as nails type fighter, but so are hundreds of other fighters. the exposure he got from being on tuf will benefit his mma career forever. with that said, i hope smith ends up with strikeforce and continues to put on entertaining fights.
by b.w. on Oct 29, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I agree. I don’t think he’ll be back in the UFC, but I enjoy watching him fight, and so do other people so he’ll probably end up in strikeforce or affliction.
by LJ on Oct 29, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
id like to see him end up in strikeforce mainly b/c i think they will be around alot longer. the only way i could see him coming back in any way to the uf would be for him to go down to ww and fight in the wec, wich would be pretty cool, but i think he can make more money in Strikeforce or Affliction.
by b.w. on Oct 29, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Friggin Hector Lombard! This guy can’t buy a brake. Was supposed to fight Karo and he couldn’t get a visa, now he was supposed to fight Scott Smith and the whole business goes under.
by miarep on Oct 29, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He should just go to Autozone, I just picked up a set with a lifetime warranty for $39.95
by psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!!! Brake = Break. Here’s another one I often see -Loose = Lose….You know who you are.
by Dugout on Oct 29, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The loose= lose one drives me crazy but I stay silent.It is the equivalent of some physically saying “crank” call instead of “prank” call or "flick " off instead of “Flip” off
by f.krueger on Oct 29, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That one get’s me too. There for a while it seemed like 8/10 posters prefered that spelling.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about people that ‘seen things’ as in I seen Scott Smith today.
by sycboi on Oct 29, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that’s a redneck thing. I am from Texas and every redneck I know says that. Social D fan sycboi?
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’m in a logging town and everybody says stuff like “I seen this guy what owns a monster truck.” Cannot stand it.
by sycboi on Oct 29, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the people who don’t know the difference between “there, their and they’re?” I know we’re being petty, but one should have a grasp of basic grammar. And besides, being petty can be fun!
by chefdaddy on Oct 30, 2008 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMFAO!!!! It must be that language barrier!
by dandeman on Oct 29, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol it’s not though, no offense but john is the worst culprit of loose-lose!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 29, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin I have been posting here since It was ufcmania.com and I have never asked but I will now. How the hell do you get a blue name?
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just gotta include a URI to link to in your ID.
by PJJ on Oct 29, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this time I thought it was because of the amount of posting you do……. I always wondered why John didn’t have his name blue.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 30, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, thats what I thought too, and I too have been posting since then, so it would seem it’s a post thing, but it’s not. I linked a pic of my family, so you douche bags (not you personally) could see I’m not lying about a hot wife! just put anything and you too will be cool!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 30, 2008 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very classy and well spoken, he’s right, a “fight organization” needs to promote fighters, not a big dude with an equally big beard who can’t fight!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 29, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope good things come his way, he seems like a cool guy….
but to argue that he made more that year than ever before…he has to realize EliteXC paid WAY too highly…which is why they went out of business. My job could double every employee’s pay for a year and we’d all love it…until the company went under!
by xocgx on Oct 29, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One of the reasons that Elite went down was because they paid chumps like Scott Smith “well”. If they have perhaps applied a little of the Zuffa-type thinking they might still be in business.
by Graham on Oct 29, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, Elite went under because they paid chumps like Fergie a half a million while promoting him as some unbeatable knock-out monster. Then when Fergie got his pants pulled down on prime time network TV the organization went under, taking dozens of legitimate MMA fighters with it.
by PW on Oct 29, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott always came off kind of slow sounding in interviews and stuff, but after reading this you realize he is a very good thinker.
He is a businessman and a fighter, I could easily see him in Affliction. Prangley, Martin, Lindland, Vitor, he’d fit in well.
He has the sponsorship already and so it is just a matter of making a few calls.
Guys like Smith, Lawler, Shields, Diaz, Alvarez, they are going to have any problems finding fights. It is the guys that were fighting before them, under them, making $4000 and trying to build a career that are going to be back fighting for $400 in some small show in a small town.
Had they just built a company around the guys that weren’t as much of a risk they would probably still be in business now, look at WEC.
The entire Kimbo situation created and ruined their company at the same time.
by DirtyML on Oct 29, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“they are NOT going to have any problems finding fights.”
Damn you, lack of preview!
by DirtyML on Oct 29, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“It’s close to the holidays, I got a mortgage to pay, I’ve got two kids, it’s tough.”
And tell me why again some of the so called “MMA fans” who post here are happy when orgs fold?
by introvert on Oct 29, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
People would not be so happy if Kimbo was not involved. It is his farce that makes all of MMA look bad and nobody that considers themselves a fan wants to be sad about an organization that fails due to his getting knocked out with a jab.
Real fans are sad that real fighters are going without work, real fans are also happy that Kimbo is not going to be portraying mixed martials to be some kind of thug life BS that involves “getting bread”.
by DirtyML on Oct 29, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure I ever heard of anyone who did portray Kimbo as anything other than a newcomer to the sport. The only reason he is even a hot topic was because “real fans” made him famous by continuously discussing him.
by introvert on Oct 29, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the EliteXC executives who promoted him and their lap dog announcers who toed the company line?
by PW on Oct 29, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
….besides, why is it that Kimbo (in your mind) is so huge that he (alone) can “make MMA look bad”? Personally, I don’t think he’s that big of an influence on the sport….but if you disagree than that’s your perogative. He was just a thug that was made out to be a better mixed martial artist than he really was……not the first time it’s happened…and it won’t be the last. The only reason his hype was such a big deal is because “real fans” made it a big deal…hence creating more hype.
The whole “Kimbo is making the sport look bad” is just funny…IMO. Here, we have a guy that isn’t even a mixed martial artist yet…yet that very guy is “making the sport look bad”…..very ironic.
by introvert on Oct 29, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“besides, why is it that Kimbo (in your mind) is so huge that he (alone) can "make MMA look bad"? "
4.5 million viewers on CBS?
by DirtyML on Oct 29, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
….that watched him get KTFO.
How did that make MMA look bad? Doesn’t that make it look good?
by introvert on Oct 29, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But introvert did you read the part that said he made more money in 2008 than he has ever? When I make more I save more but thats just me. He is a talented mixed martial artist that will find a home very soon. I doubt he would want you, me are anyone else for that matter feeling bad or sorry for him.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t feel sorry for him…I just don’t see how anyone could think of a child having a shitty Christmas, then gloat and say “I told you so”, when discussing a good person’s employer folding.
by introvert on Oct 29, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I am saying is that he has had his best year ever. His kids aren’t going to have a shitty Christmas. He will find a promotion to call home soon enough.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my kids would have a shitty christmas… if i had any, so i guess that just means im going to have a shitty xmas
by brendan on Oct 29, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, Psyqo……here’s a guy feeling sorry for himself.
by introvert on Oct 29, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im pretty sure with 2 fights over 40k a fight after bills and taxes he probably profited 40k still and 80k made this year by anyone is pretty damn good money
by randy murders on Oct 30, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just heard that there’s going to be a Kimbo vs Petruselli 2 in new years eve with Dream. That should be entertaining
by Don on Oct 29, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo would have to be an idiot to agree to a rematch. There’s no way he could win that could be more spectacular than the way Seth beat his ass down and exposed him. Add to the fact Seth is still a favorite to win again… he still has way more experience than Kimbo, and he’ll be better prepared in a rematch.
by Nojo on Oct 29, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone should cash in on the fight…easy money.
I’ll watch it…sure hope it isn’t the main event though lol. I’m sure Dream will be a little smarter about where the fight is in the lineup.
by introvert on Oct 29, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who is going to be paying Seth to stay standing this time?
by ViolentMike on Oct 29, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yakuza! If Sapp was big just imagine KIMBO!!!
by dandeman on Oct 29, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMA needs people like Scott Smith in smaller shows like Strikeforce to test the young up and comers. He’s tough, experianced and usually exciting.
by Tyler Rochon on Oct 29, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Something troubles me…how come he is concerned about “a mortgage to pay” and times are “tough” in a year in which he “made more money in 2008 then I made – ever.”
If I made more money this year than all my other years combined and then lost my job, I would hope that I had managed my money well enough that I could at least last until January…I can sympathize with him losing a job but not with him being broke.
by JB on Oct 29, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point! from here on out if a fighter turns down the ufc for more money from a makeshift org like elite or affliction, no sympathy from me. ufc= job security.
by b.w. on Oct 29, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC offers you NO security.
If you lose a couple of fights in a row, you get dropped.
How is that security?
by Joseph on Oct 29, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also depends on the fashion you lose them in. Look at Pete f’n Sell. This last fight was the first fight I can remember him winning since the Baroni fight and he is still there. Thats because he goes down swinging. Leaves it all in the cage.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right. Clay Guida is a mediocre fighter, but his fights are always fast-paced. Therefore, he will never get cut no matter many decisions he loses.
by PW on Oct 29, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joseph i don’t mean to speak for b.w., but I believe he meant the UFC isn’t going anywhere. And as far as the couple of losses in a row. That is the fighters responsibility.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats exactly what i meant, and he damn well knows it’s true. with the ufc, it’s not wether you win or lose, it’s HOW you win or lose. there have been a ton of fighters that have lost a"couple" of fights and still kept their jobs in the ufc. dana white and the fertitta’s are some of the most loyal employers in the world, as long as you are loyal to them. plus i would be willing to bet every thing i own or will ever own in my life that the ufc will be around longer than any mma org. forever!…….i dont get guys like JOSEPH and INTROTURD, there has to be a backstory to thier unabashed hatred towards the ufc. what is it? still mad about the pride fc buyout? the ufc did them a favor. did you guys lose your business b/c Super Wal-Mart moved in to town, and see the ufc as “the man”? i dont get it. too much energy spent on hating the best thing to ever happen to mma (zuffa).
by b.w. on Oct 29, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they cut tommy speers pretty darn quickly… lost the finale to danzig, then got crushed by johnson… bye bye speers… thats not very loyal, how bout jesse from season 7? drank a little too much and goofed off in a club? kicked off the finale? wtf? and basically we all know it was just for ratings… yeah, real loyal employer, keep on hugging guys (dana whites nuts)
by brendan on Oct 29, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt they just send speers to the WEC? and jesse had to be kicked out because of the sexual harrassment in a fertitta owned casino
by randy murders on Oct 30, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRENDA. im sorry i left your name out, im sure thats why you responded. keep hating!
by b.w. on Oct 30, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry JB….. I didn’t see your post and basically said the samething as a reply to another post above. But I like how you think.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My vote would be Scott goes to Strikeforce to get a fight with Cung Le, because really who wouldn’t want to see Le Sanshou the f*ck out of Smith?
by sycboi on Oct 29, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wtf is up with Cung anyway? He fought Shamrock in March. That’s a fairly long layoff.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t heard sh*t from anyone regarding the good fighters that Strikeforce has. So Melendez(?) Punk and Cung I guess.
by sycboi on Oct 29, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Cung Le did a movie. That’s the only thing I’ve heard.
by Dugout on Oct 29, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see someone intelligent and classy like Scott Smith speaking out for Jeremy Lappen. Especially after the bullshit shalacking that Dana White did on Lappen. Like previous commenters said, Scott Smith keeps it real and puts on great fights. I’ll watch him anywhere he goes.
by EliteUFXC on Oct 29, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly. Believe me Dana gets bashed alot more than Lappen. And Dana is great for the sport. Being a “good guy” doesn’t translate to good for the sport.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s interesting that fighters bitch about not being paid enough, but go to an organization that goes tits up because it pays too much.
by Punk Rock Scott on Oct 29, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And you’re saying he had another choice of promotions?
You his agent?
by introvert on Oct 29, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you Jorge gurgel would go tits up for right amount of $. That guy is a Flammer.
by kimboWhite on Oct 29, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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