Brock Lesnar requests Steve Mazzagatti not referee Randy Couture UFC 91 fight
by MMAmania.com on Oct 29, 2008 9:41 AM EDT
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The legal team that represents Brock Lesnar recently filed paperwork with the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), requesting that referee Steve Mazzagatti be removed from consideration as the man who will be in charge of the action during the main event at UFC 91: "Couture vs. Lesnar" at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, on November 15.
Mazzagatti officiated Lesnar’s Octagon debut against Frank Mir at UFC 81: "Breaking Point" earlier this year.
In the opening seconds of the heavyweight bout, Lesnar stormed the former champion and began to maul him with a flurry of strikes. It appeared that Lesnar was on his way to an impressive technical knockout victory; however, the former World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) star landed several questionable -- and according to Mazzagatti -- illegal blows to the back of the head.
As a result, the action was stopped and Lesnar was docked one point. And when the action restarted Mir survived another blitzkrieg and locked in a fight-ending submission (kneebar) just 91 seconds into the match.
Of course, several fans blamed Mazzagatti and his ruling for the result rather than Lesnar and his inability to defend submissions and/or land legal blows. Regardless, when all was said and done, it was perhaps the most hectic and crazy minute and a half of action inside the Octagon in all of 2008.
So now that Lesnar is paired against heavyweight champion Randy Couture in what is being billed the "biggest fight in UFC history," he apparently does not want to take any chances with Mazzagatti making the same alleged "mistake" twice and affecting the outcome of his fight.
That’s just fine according to the mustached wonder.
"I'm [not offended] at all," Mazzagatti said in a recent interview with Dave Farra that is now up on YouTube.com. "He's a professional -- they're both professionals -- and they have to do what they have to do. It's fine with me. I'm going to enjoy watching the fight"
Talk about taking the high road.
Sherdog.com recently reported that in addition to Mazzagatti, "Herb Dean, Josh Rosenthal and Mario Yamasaki were under consideration to officiate the Couture-Lesnar match."
NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer -- who praised Mazzagatti for his work inside the Octagon on February 2 -- eventually granted the request from Lesnar. Yamasaki is now the man in charge, which hopefully means that Lesnar can now focus 100 percent on Couture come fight night.
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This is great news. Yamasaki is one of the better referees employed by the athletic commissions. I look forward to this fight. Hopefully Captain Greedy gets pounded into Oblivion.
bitch ass Couture been ducking the Real Champion Nogueira for over a year now! Randy, stop bitching and get your arm snapped like a man. FIGHT BIG NOG ALREADY!!!!
by john on Oct 29, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Randy won’t get the chance to fight Nog now, unless Mir pulls a major upset and they fight for third place in this little 4-man tournament. As for Il Moustache, he’s made some pretty horrible calls that changed the outcomes of fights (Lesnar-Mir, Johnson-Burns, probably some others that I’m forgetting). The NCAC and CSAC need to tell him to get his shit together or go back to judging pie-eating contests at county fairs. In MMA, as in any sport, the best referees are the ones you don’t even notice.
by PW on Oct 29, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont remember but does anyone know if they were actually illegal blows on replay?
by c-war on Oct 29, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 or 3 were. They were pretty fast too which was probably why he stopped the action because Brock really wasn’t controlling his punches, just throwing wildly.
by goatboy on Oct 29, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember like 1 direct hit to the back of the head and 1 or 2 more that grazed it. The mazz should have given him a warning and not deducted a point.
by RiverHorror on Oct 29, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Mazzagatti saying that he had warned Brock 1 or 2 times before taking the point. But that the crowd was so loud he may not have heard him. It’s easy to be the Monday morning quarterback, but making decisions in the heat of things can be tricky. Brock was hitting Mir hard in the back of the head, the halt was necessary. The point deduction didn’t effect the outcome. It was Brock’s inexperience that lost him that fight. Plain and simple.
by MongoMan on Oct 29, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was one direct blow to the back of the head. In the slow motion replay you could tell that every punch that went near the back of the head was because Mir turned away from it while the fist was on its way in. Even if somehow Pornstache could have known that at the time, there still should have been a time-out just like when there’s an accidental eye poke or low blow.
by Joe Smith on Oct 29, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yamasaki is worse than Mazz in my opinion… watch the Sakara/Valamacki fight and tell me that wasnt garbage reffing… Sakara had Victor rocked and Victor literally had his back to him trying to get away and Yamasaki called a timeout, lol
by brendan on Oct 29, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a bizarre request. Refs don’t determine the outcomes of fights. Judges are usually more at fault for “screwing” fighters.
He lost to Mir fair and square(and I think Mir is overrated)!
Mazz has made some questionable decisions but this petition reeks of “showing up the official.”
Lesnar doesn’t need to concentrate on this peripheral stuff.
He will tear through Randy like wet paper if he keeps his focus.
by OJR on Oct 29, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you OJR, but its a smart move on Lesnars part! If your fighting, adrenaline is pumping, and your opponent turns his head, and you hit him in the back. The ref is supposed to warn you (Mazzagatti didnt) he just took a point. And in a 3 round fight thats disastrous! Look at the Tito/Rashad outcome!
by JV on Oct 29, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man Im a huge Tito fan from back in the day, but Lesnar’s inexperience got him submited, it wasnt a draw at the end of the fight. Thats like comparing apples and oranges
by LOKIE on Oct 29, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw Brock (although he has a great chance of winning)!!! Maybe Mazzagati should have let Frank keep the kneebar on, because Brock was tapping Frank’s ass instead of the mat.
Next time Brock, knock the guy out and quit bitching about getting caught. Be careful of Yamasaki though….he let’s fighters kick each other in the junk (j/k).
by Derick on Oct 29, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A tap is a tap. No matter where it is.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good that Yamaski got the gig. “Handy” has no place to hide now though. After this fight, Nog will settle what they started almost 10 years ago.
by NameNotRequired on Oct 29, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a dangerous trend to start. Pretty soon everyones going to start requesting who they want and do not want.
by Killvicious on Oct 29, 2008 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup this is a fucking joke.
I somehow doubt the athletic commission will do anything about it. NSAC isn’t legally bound to present any definitive person as a referee..
by Luppers on Oct 29, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All refs fuck up at some point in time. This is dumb. We all get the benefit of instant replay and looking at a punch from a million different angles and the ref gets the one shot.
by goatboy on Oct 29, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what you are saying here. Things can get hectic and chaotic. How far can they take this, could fights get delayed if certain referees are unavailable for the evening? Mustachagatti is usually pretty much on point. Things happen so quickly in MMA there is bound to be some human error. FAct is he did hit him a bunch of times in the back of the head and neck. HE should have gotten the warning first yes, but the points didn’t come into play because he didn’t know how to defend the Knee Bar…Watching that fight just now again, It does not seem that Mir gave up that much size to Lesnar. If Lesnar gets past Couture, which I hope he does and Nog Chumps Mir, for showng such a lack of respect to one of MMA’s finest and most respectful, I think Nog will have a good chance at submitting him as well. Mir kept LEsnar in his guard and eventually gave up the arm for the taking several times till he eventually slipped up enough for Mir to roll for the knee. I think Nog has great chance if he can survive the initial storm. Nog has a huge chin and is probably the best big grappler out there…IT would be great to see if someone could put beefneck to sleep with the rear naked or a triangle choke!
by Da Monkey on Oct 29, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. My question is this, if Kizer praised mazagatti for the good call, which I agree with, why assign a different ref? Another thing that concerns me, why are we 2 weeks out and know who the ref will be? This sets up an awful scenario where guys could start trying to fix fights. I was always under the assumption the 4 man reffing crew showed up the day of the fights and were then assigned their duties!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 29, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think they were assigned that day? Do you remember Big John not reffing a main event on a card that he was at?
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to fix a fight the ref is not the person to go to. He could only help the fight go the way you want but not completely fix the fight. I don’t think it will be a problem in the UFC for right now. Also I have to disagree with most that this is a good way to hold refs accountable. A ref that repeatedly makes mistakes should not be reffing as much, so by requesting the ref not take his fight he is cutting on Mazzi’s image making him less of an asset as a ref. Maybe Lesnar is the wrong guy to be making this kind of request but somebody in the UFC should be in charge of maintaining that refs and judges a like are not consistently making mistakes. I know the UFC does not pick the refs or judges but they should be able to request that certain ones that mess up often not be used. Or we could solve the problem right out if we bring Big John back.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 29, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the Fergie-Thompson fight again and then see if you think a ref can’t fix a fight.
by PW on Oct 29, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PW thats a terrible example. If you can tell a ref fixed a fight then he didn’t fix a fight. If that makes sense lol. What I’m saying is that it is hard to fix a fight without the general public calling you out on it. An early stoppage is noticable and calling a fight one way is noticable. The ref really should not have to step into a fight for any reason except to start it and end it. Its hard to fix a fight just by paying a ref because that means he has to rely on one guy getting put in a bad position for him to call the fight, its like trying to fix a fight with luck. In the Kimbo Thompson fight he was lucky Kimbo popped Thompsons ear in the final round, very lucky or else Kimbo would have been exposed at that fight instead of against Seth. Second point though is that holding the refs responsible for bad decision making also works to prevent wrongful calls and the appearance of a fixed fight.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 29, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s only one example and hardly the norm, I’ll admit, but Mirgs did get called out on that. Hell, I bet on Fergie because I was about 90% certain that one way or another he wouldn’t be allowed to lose. The parts of that fight I would point to for fixing are: Fergie taking approximately 60 straight elbows to the head from side mount and the fight continuing despite the lack of an intelligent defense (I don’t consider a thumbs-up to the ref while your head is repeatedly bouncing off the mat an intelligent defense); and a seemingly quick stoppage after Fergie landed two good shots in the third. Maybe Thompson was on “queer street,” as Rogan likes to say, but he was still on his feet and not in immediate danger from an exhausted Fergie. Thompson was a veteran fighter, and most refs would have given him every chance to continue.
by PW on Oct 29, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PW-
My earlier post notwithstanding, that is an excellent argument.
However, this example is one in the extreme.
Definately not compatible with what happened to Lesnar.
Impossible to argue with your logic, though.
by OJR on Oct 29, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is old news to me,,,I read this days ago…
by Gweedo on Oct 29, 2008 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One day when we all catch up to your interweb awesomeness it might matter..
by Luppers on Oct 29, 2008 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You read Steve’s response then too, which came out today? Fucking crazy. Maybe one day I can hitch a ride in your time machine. Must be rad.
by MMAmania on Oct 29, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
props to Mazzagatti for like you put it “taking the high road”
by john on Oct 29, 2008 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I read this blog instead of working… mmamania you are awesome
by sp00ner1234 on Oct 29, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I read this blog instead of working… mmamania you are awesome
by sp00ner1234 on Oct 29, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow guys. Look our for Gweedo. Cool guy alert.
by RyanHobbs on Oct 29, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow biased against Brock much, after spouting off that ridiculous article stating that Kimbo’s loss to Seth P. shouldn’t count and that despite being taken out by a jab in a 10 second match kimbo would win 9 out of 10 times in that fight I shouldnt be surprised. Im not the biggest Brock fan out there but for somebody new to mma to come in and fight top heavyweights compared to a guy that fights freakshows you think you would cut him some slack, Brock will be fighting top talent in the UFC for a long time to come while Kimbo will probably fight some bearded lady freakshow in Japan.
by The_Devil_you _know on Oct 29, 2008 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stupid. Brock Lesnar has two fights and now he gets to pick who officiates his fight?
by Ballam on Oct 29, 2008 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you even read the story? He put in a request because Mazagatti obviously had something agaisn’t him going into that Mir fight. I believe it was because Brock was a rookie and Mazagatti counted on him making a mistake. If that would have been a veteran like Randy pounding on Mir, no way that fight gets stopped and no way he takes a point.
by BNF on Oct 29, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard.
Maz doesn’t care who wins and who loses, this guy isn’t a judge… he is a referee..
Seasoned PROFESSIONAL officials are never judgemental.
by Luppers on Oct 29, 2008 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please expand on how you know exactly what Mazagatti was thinking prior to that fight or what instructions he was given. Is it that crazy to think he was keeping a very close eye on Brock since it was only his 2nd fight? That seems very resonable to me.
Lets say your right, then the flip side is Mazagatti is just a horrible referee and I don’t blame Brock for requesting someone different for his first title fight.
by BNF on Oct 29, 2008 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re a fanboy, and obviously delusional at that.
Lesnar DID hit Mir in the back of the head, he DID receive a warning, he DID continue to hit Mir… so they were seperated, then Lesnar fell into a knee bar.
Cry about Mir’s jujitsu skills, and not your boy flailing at the back of the head, and getting penalized for it.
Referees are not fanboys.. they are UNBIASED.
You don’t get to the pinnicle of MMA officiating and be judgemental. In how many other hundreds of fights that Maz reffed he ‘judged’ someone before to the point it benefitted him.
Go buy your Tshirts and support lesnar another way.
by Luppers on Oct 29, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually wanted Mir to win that fight, so I guess that makes ME unbiased. But since Brock’s destruction of Herring I have become a “fanboy”. LMAO! And If you believe Mazagatti is the pinnacle of MMA officiating then you are the delusional one.
by BNF on Oct 29, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luppers you need to go brush your teeth cuz your breath has got to smell like Maz’s balls.
by mmafreak on Oct 29, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me exactly when Lesnar got he warning. Ive watched the replay a few times with the sound cranked and never heard a peep. Even Rogan said he didnt hear Mazz give any warning. And dont use the crowd was noisy excuse,…GSP vs Serra 2, that crowd was immensely loud and you could still hear the ref.
by Big D on Oct 29, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’ve watched it numerous times and never heard any sort of a warning from Mazz. Besides, if you watch it, the reason he hit him in the back of the head was because Mir rolled into him. He still shouldn’t have hit him, but it was a split second thing deserving of a warning at most. And if you think that a ref’s preconceived notions of a fighter doesn’t come into play during a fight you’re ridiculous. Do you think Marcus Davis would have been allowed to continue in his fight with Paul Taylor if he wasn’t an experienced fighter known for being tough? I think that if it had been some unknown fighter making their octagon debut the fight would have definitely been stopped. It would be impossible for a referee to be completely unbiased. You cannot keep preexisting knowledge from impacting your assessment of situations.
by GregC on Oct 29, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I read the story. Mazzagatti wanted Lesnar to lose? Yea he really helped Mir slap that kneebar on him. WTF are you talking about? Lesnar clearly hit him in the back of the head SEVERAL TIMES. Its different if a guy does it a few times over the course of the fight and gets a few warnings, Brock was warned immediately and continued to repeatedly strike Mir in the back of the head. That’s against the rules.
Mazzagatti did the right thing by stopping the fight to deduct a point, or Lesnar would won the fight with illegal strikes and stirred up 10x more controversy.
by Ballam on Oct 29, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You clearly have a reading comprehension problem…
by BNF on Oct 29, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way do you see Randy just throwing haymakers either
by LOKIE on Oct 29, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Brock is an MMA fighter who can REQUEST to not have a specific individual officiate his fight. Brock has said bad things about Mazzagatti after the fight with Frank Mir. Having a neutral referee would be in Brocks best interest. You think Brandon Vera wants Mirgliotta to be his ref again? I doubt it. The amount of fights that Brock has on his record is totally irrelevant to his request.
by RyanHobbs on Oct 29, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahahaha … that’s hilarious. Maz absolutely 100% made the right call. He warned Lesnar, then he took a point. I mean, Lesnar was blasting Mir in the back of the head multiple times. What the hell was he expecting? He’s crying over spilled milk like a MMA noob that he is.
by bostonmmajunkie on Oct 29, 2008 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong!!!!! Maz never warned Lesnar, he just took a point away after one shot to the back of the head after Mir turned his head. It was not intentional at all and if you watch the replay you can hear Rogan disagree with the point being taken away. I had no problem with Maz standing them up after the accidental hit to the back of the head, but taking a point away looked like he had something against Lesnar. A lot of people thought that was a bull-shit call and it cost Lesnar that fight. I have no problem with Lesnar making this request.
by doubled on Oct 29, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hits him in the back of the head like 3 times one as he stops it is right in the base of the spine and head. Even if he didn’t take the point, he had every obligation to stop the action, for an illegal blow, accidental or not. The point never came into play because he got submitted. So yes he is crying over spilled milk. The action had to be stopped.
I do believe you hear Maz. verbally warning him but it happens so fast that he stops the action…
by Da Monkey on Oct 29, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, by “a lot of people” you mean like yourself.
1. The hits were 100% intentional. Made my an amateur that had no control over his strikes.
2. Joe Rogan is not the judge or the ref. Anything he says is strictly an opinion. Come up with your own conclusion!
3. Maz did warn Lesnar about hitting behind the head. If you actually pay attention to the fight instead on hanging off Lesnar’s jock, you can hear it loud and clear. Maz says, “Watch the back of the head!”
4. Don’t you ever say that I’m wrong. I’m never wrong. You’re wrong.
by bostonmmajunkie on Oct 29, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn’t matter if they were intentional, unintentional or just plain lack of skill, bottom line is, he hit him in the back of the head, repeatedly!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 29, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t know a guy from Boston could run his mouth and sound like such a jack ass bigger than Dana White until I read your comments bostonmmajunkie.
1. Watch the fight, and hey…. this time try with your glasses on, or you might want to visit the eye doctor. There is one hit that was to the back of the head after Mir rolled his head. We have seen hits like that before without there being any warning or point deduction. There was no warning and if there was it was a quite one.
2. Mir in interviews has said the hit to the back of his head was not intentional!! I’m sure Brock’s game plan with his camp was to take Mir down and rain uncontested blows to the back of the head as many times as he could until Mir was knocked out. Makes a lot of sense.
3. Yes, I agree Brock lost the fight fair and square, and you have not heard Brock say that Maz was the reason he lost that fight, he admitted he made a mistake and got caught. But the point being taken away was a terrible call, and might have played with his head in thinking Maz was working against him. As you can see by the comments posted on this site as well as other MMA sites, there was kind of a backlash with Brock getting so much fame, money, and main event status so quickly. So, he just doesn’t want Maz to be the ref for this fight. What’s the big deal?
4. Lastly, Ill say whatever I want including “YOUR WRONG and here is a quote from a famous comedian in your neck of the woods named FITZY – GFY!”
by doubled on Oct 29, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“So, he just doesn’t want Maz to be the ref for this fight. What’s the big deal?”
here’s the big deal, why should he choose?
“it’s clear that Lesnar has two flurries where he only hits Mir on the back of the head. 3 times at first, then he gets warned, then he hits him on the back of the head twice more.”
Unfortunately on the recording you can’t hear the warning but on a TV quality broadcast (I have it recorded), it is clear as day after the 3rd shot to the back of the head.
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OJ should have been able to request judge ito too for the vegas trial!
by kevin (some guys hate me...and I don't care) on Oct 29, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did it cost him the fight? It didn’t go to a decision!!! And they def should have been stood-up! keep sucking on lesnar’s sac!!!
by BOW on Oct 29, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Maz is lucky Lesnar didnt whack him over the head with a steel fold chair after the fight … ahahaha … what a joke.
by bostonmmajunkie on Oct 29, 2008 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate this guy i hope randy knock him out i hate this idiot
by joe on Oct 29, 2008 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a good move by Brock. Because if the other fighter moves after the strike is coming towards them and it hits a illegal spot its a legal blow. Just like in amateur fight if you throw a kick to the body and the buy ducks and is hit in the head and gets KTFO. The fighter throwing the kick will be the winner by TKO.
by Yoda on Oct 29, 2008 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i can believe some of you guys actually like this guy his only has 3 fights with one lost he sucks
by joe on Oct 29, 2008 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can’t believe that some people like a guy that in his first four fights has fought ex and current champions in 50% of his fights? I think something like that is something to be interested by.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If ya want to talk records…… Randy and Brock both have a 66% win record.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
joe- You are totally right. Lesnar sucks. He defeated a top 15 heavyweight in only his 3rd MMA fight but man he sucks. He has been dominate in all 3 of his fights (even in the Mir fight up until the submission) but he sucks. Joe….you suck.
by RyanHobbs on Oct 29, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah …. He’s the best…..Around, nothings ever going to keep him down. cuz he’s the best around etc..
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m actually prolly the biggest Mazz hater ever. So many of my favorite fighters have lost out because of his quick stoppages, shitty standups and horrible timing in general. i really don’t actually think that he is a good ref. However, I think he did make the right call with the Mir/Lesnar fight. The issue isn’t the warning, ref’s aren’t required to make a warning if the offense is large enough. Brock Lesnar smashing his big canned hams off of Mir’s neck and the back of his head is absolutely serious enough for Mazz to deduct a point. If Mir had been knocked unconscious by that imagine the controversy. Hitting with illegal strikes causes irreparable damage, hence why points are deducted. Lesnar should ask for special guest referee STONE COLD STEVE MOTHER FUCKING AUSTIN
by sp00ner1234 on Oct 29, 2008 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Randy sends him back to the WWF.
by FukStyck on Oct 29, 2008 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brock is a fuc*ing cry baby. I want to see Tears when Randy kicks his ASS. Fuc*ing mma toddler, BIG ass head with Lil bitty brains. Its simple even a moron can understand that.
by ktown on Oct 29, 2008 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is wrong with Lesnar? Mad he can’t hit Randy in the back of the head?
What did he expect?
by DirtyML on Oct 29, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what is wrong with you, it happens all the time the thing is just that no one is as f’in stupid as Mazzagatti to stand them up and take a point for max 2 shots to the back of the head while Mir was giving up and turned his head away..
by RoB on Oct 29, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I accidently poke you in the eye, or kick you in the balls but lets keep the fight going. Two to three hard punches to the back of the head is enough to knock someones equilibrium off and is more than enough to stun them so you can get a finish. Standing them up was the right thing to do and don’t try to argue against it. The only wrong thing was that he may have taken a point prior to giving a warning but seeing as the fight did not go to decision its a moot point.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 29, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes there is an arguement about it cause he was clearly giving up anyways, and the warning thing was BS to save his name, and yes the point was 110% wrong, if that’s how it’s supposed to be then someone would get a point taken away in almost every fight.. Mazzagatti is horrible!
by RoB on Oct 29, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s upset at Steve for not letting him pummel Mir with illegal blows to the back of the head? Does he want someone who will overlook something like that? I hope Randy TKO’s his ass!
by Scott on Oct 29, 2008 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brock is a fuc*ing cry baby. I want to see Tears when Randy kicks his ASS. Fuc*ing mma toddler, BIG ass head with Lil bitty brains.
NO strikes to the back of the head!
Its simple even a moron can understand that.
by ktown on Oct 29, 2008 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar is a joke for this request because those were illegal blows…and there is no way they should have put himin this tournament because even if he beats Randy (which will not happen) he is going to get submitted NO MATTER WHAT by either Nog (best ground game from any heavyweight in the UFC) or Mir (already submitted him and he’ll do it again) so either way its a lose lose situation for Brock..
by Breton on Oct 29, 2008 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Breton,
What are the Lottery numbers for Texas tonight?
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know man lol what are you trying to say Brock has a shot at getting lucky and not being submitted or that im so overconfident in my analysis that i’d be that sure of myself in picking lottery numbers?? haha
by Breton on Oct 29, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No because you see the future so vividly. Do you know how many submissions Randy has to his credit? All in good fun though.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if you know the #‘s….. don’t hold out on me. seriously give me 6 numbers and I will go play them. I am going to buy some anyway, what would it hurt? I’ll even split it with you.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol nah i don’t have the numbers man haha and i know randy has a great ground game i don’t think he would get submitted by Nog or Mir i’m saying Brock would get submitted by all three of them therefore he should not be in the tournament
by Breton on Oct 29, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRING BIG JOHN BACK FOR THIS FIGHT!!!!
by StabtotheLiver on Oct 29, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be the perfect time for his re-entry. Plus big guys, big ref….it makes sense. Mirg stay outta this one.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First time I’ve ever heard of a fighter requesting to blacklist a ref… Obviously, Brock is concerned about this fight not going his way.
The question is, if he lost the Mir fight because of Maz not letting him go on with his GnP, why didn’t he take the fight after he got into GnP the 2nd time, when Mir was actually even more beat up?
No, Brock. You did not lose that fight due to Maz’s fault, it was your own fault for not knowing how to defend against a jiu-jitsu pro.
by ARodOfIron on Oct 29, 2008 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don’t let mirgliotta anywhere near this baby!
by markg on Oct 29, 2008 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a fa&, this is why MMA is still a joke to 90% of people…you can pick your own ref now? Tell me ONE single sport where this has happened? What a joke he’s 2-1
by illphilly on Oct 29, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Ed Hochuli will be calling another SD Chargers game this season?
by PW on Oct 29, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that same thing. Or Joey Crawford reffing a game involving the San Antonio Spurs. It’s the same situation and it isn’t questioned because having them ref a game involving teams they have a prior history with just opens the door for controversy. I think this is a good decision.
by GregC on Oct 29, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey dummies,Crawford not only worked game 5 of the Spurs / Lakers last year but he was the crew chief meaning the head ref. The suspension was in 07. Like I said MMA is a joke if they let this bum with 3 fights pick his own ref, get real.
by illphilly on Oct 29, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point is, you asked for one other sport where teams can pick who does/does not ref their games. We gave you two. Crawford did not call anything for the Spurs for the remainder of the season of the incident, and football season is still going on, but I bet the Chargers don’t have another game with Eddie Guns as the ref. The Lesnar/Moustache incident was earlier this year, so maybe keeping them apart is a good idea.
by PW on Oct 29, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What incident though? In the Lesnar fight he got his ass beat, what was the incident? In the NBA it was an incident Joey got fined and suspended, nobody got fined or suspended in that fight, the big moron was wailing away wildly like donkey kong and hit in the back of the head and got warned or whatever. Let him pick his ref.It was his second MMA fight, who do you think was more up on the rules him or a Mazzagatti who’s done a few hundred fights? What a disgrace
by illphilly on Oct 29, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the comments on this thread. There is no consensus as to whether Lesnar hit Mir in the back of the head repeatedly and deliberately or just once because Mir turned his head. Some people think the stand up was justified, some think it was a bad call. Had they not been stood up then Lesnar gets the TKO win very quickly, so Moustache’s call, whether it was right or wrong, definitely affected the outcome. So to avoid another controversial situation, Lesnar is trying to keep Il Moustache out.
by PW on Oct 29, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you dont bitch about the ref like a little girl , you just dont hit in the back of the head PERIOD if you dont want controversy. The ref had nothing to do with the outcome, him flailing wildly like a animal cost him a point. and having no BJJ skills whatsoever cost him the fight. Ive never heard of a fighter picking his ref.
by illphilly on Oct 29, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont care if Shoney Carter is the special guest ref, you can’t beat a guy in the back of the noggin.
by Donkizzle on Oct 29, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Illphilly, calm down dude. He didn’t pick his ref first off and he didn’t get his ass beat. He lost via knee bar, the only offensive thing Mir could follow through with.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
90 seconds means you got your ass beat, its just a weak ass move begging for a certain ref I have zero respect for that move, especially when you are:
A. The biggest fckin guy in the UFC
B. Only fought 3 times and hardly know the damn rules.
by illphilly on Oct 29, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring back BJ Mac. Don’t let Dan Mirgliotta ref this, he’s a disaster. Luckily for him he poked Heath in the eye and not Brock.
by RobH86 on Oct 29, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joking aside, he’s not a disaster but I wouldn’t pick him for the job. Yamasaki is the best candidate.
by RobH86 on Oct 29, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m really hoping for a Couture/Mir win then another Couture win then hopefully a deal can be done so we can see the 1st round destruction of Couture by Fedor.
by rydinlow on Oct 29, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They both will win, when they fight other people. I love Captain America would love to see him destroy a goliath. That being said I think that Lesnar is too much of a beast in the sense that he is so fast, so big and so strong.His wrestling and control is probably equal with Randy but his strength will play an important role in that. A lot of people are talking about Randy’s dirty boxing which will almost definitely be negated by Brocks neck strength and as far as submissions go Randy has one to his credit….one! All that aside I wouldn’t bet on this fight because you can’t count Randy out ever. P.s. Mir is going to get mata-leao’d by Nog.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miragliotta and Mazzagatti is working for the italian mob!
by RoB on Oct 29, 2008 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever happened to Yves Lavigne? Id say he was/is their best ref by a long shot. I dont think ive ever seen him slip up.
by Scott on Oct 29, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some people question the GSP/Serra II stoppage and according to some people, there were a few times that Brock and Herring should’ve been stood up. I think those were both reffed by Yves.
by Joe Smith on Oct 29, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar needs to grow up. He lost convincingly and blaming Mazzagatti isn’t gonna help him at all.
by shu on Oct 29, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brock needs to get Yves as the ref. Herb will let Randy lay & pray all over Brock on the ground or if they get tied up in the clinch like in the GG fight which was bs.
by sbud on Oct 29, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just an FYI, but Kizer did not grant Lesnar his request, at least officially anyway. In fact, he said that Mazzagatti made the right call during the Mir fight and would not be taken out of consideration to officiate the fight with Randy.
At the end of the day, Yamasaki got the call but Lesnars request, at least officially, had nothing to do with it.
by kcmay17 on Oct 29, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
boo hoo!!!! there is an easy solution to this…. Dont hit your opponent in the back of the head.
by knee to the nads on Oct 29, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Lesnar hate is beyond me. I am not a fanboy by anymeans but why all the friggin’ hate?
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 29, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who fuckin’ cares???? it could be a WWE REF in the ring for Lesnar and he’d still lose…ha ha ha “can’t wait to see the look on Randy’s Face when he hits me in the face and my eyes bulge out of my head and I say wow this guy’s the shit”…
by Adam on Oct 31, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There was no wrong done by Mazzagati in the Brock Mir Fight, he did hit him in the back of his head hard and i saw it again and again, the crowd was so loud we just couldnt hear the warning!
by Rajeet Walia on Nov 18, 2008 3:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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