jake shields and alves would be a bad idea.. or bring back nick diaz for one fight to fight deigo sanchez again, that was pretty good…

kos couldn’t even takedown Alves.

didnt I tell you guys about Alves! He is the next big tHing! He is very young so get used to seeing this kid, like Dana W said: he is a Muy Tai WRECKING Machine!

Of course Alves could win IF he caught Georges. I don’t like that wording because anybody could win IF they caught the opponent. Serra landed a perfect earpunch on the most careless Georges we have ever seen. To me, that Serra win was a write-off because of the ferocity with which Georges took it back. Georges vs Penn and Alves are both dream fights. Dangerous ones though. But make no mistake; no matter how Georges wins or loses, a Serra-type knockout ain’t happening. Bro’s hands have become heat seekers and his game plans lately have been solid.

We also get 5 rounds so more time to catch him. Against Kos, he was fighting smart not rushing and pulling back whenever Kos regained his composure. I personally think he could have finished him if he was more aggressive in working the legs like against lytle.

Alves might be able to prevent takedowns from a senile matt hughes, and Koscheck didnt really even attempt very many takedowns… but GSP is the best wrestler in MMA, hell get him down and elbow Alves’ face into the mat

Fitch was murdered by GSP. Same will go for Alves.

I’m a huge GSP fan, but Alves is a genuine threat. He has improved a lot and he has gotten HUGE. Anyone who has been reading my posts on GSP, has seen how I went on about how GSP would give a onesided beatdown to his last 4 opponents. I don’t think I’ll be saying that if he fight’s Alves. I was impressed by his performance also.

No doubt, but IF GSP beats BJ and Anderson, he’s automatically the best p4p fighter in the world, hands down.

GSP didn’t even finish Kos.. How could you not be impressed he was able to stay on his feet the whole match pretty much and his stand up looked great… To beat a champion you have to look great? … Anyone can beat anyone.. Like Matt Sera looked great before he took out GSP… A win is a win.. end of story

i agree.

GSP didnt’ even do ANYWHERE near as much damage as ALVES did.

i say GSP vs. Alves for the strap.

BJ Penn needs to get in line!!!

I agree that Alves should get the title shot before BJ and he deserves it too. BJ is a big name in the mma world and that’s the reason he’s getting what he wants. I like to see GSP vs Alves and BJ vs. Florian for UFC 92. But Dana smells the money and it is what it is.

yeah, and by the way, as much as I don’t care for Kos, he put on a good show. This 2 week notice stuff, in my opinion, a true athlete is constantly training, an d 2 weeks is plenty of time to all it all together,

I have been telling you guys for the past year or so that aLVES IS THE NEXT BIG THING! Happy to hear him finally getting the recognitioon that he deserves around here

somebody give him a cookie

Even if you agree the fact is GSP still has the ability to take BJ down and lay on him for 5 rounds if he wants.. GSP is too strong when he gets ontop of BJ

i agree. GSP lays on top of him for 5 rounds and avoids BJ’s power shots. they both get slippery and BJ gets no submission.

game over. GSP wins IMO.

WOW! you said alot of stuff I did. My post hasnt came up yet. Or did Mania changed my name to yours. lol

Matt Hughes in 2006, was the last fight GSP really traded with anyone since getting TKO’d by MAtt Serra. We saw a gun shy GSP (not in my opinion only but lots of post on mania were commenting on how gun shy he was)that wrestled with Hughes, Koscheck, and Serra on the way back to recovering the belt. So my assertion was not ridiculous I am basing it on the GSP that we saw the last 2 years. EVen though he clearly had better standup then Kos and Hughes he wrestled with them. Can you honestly say to yourself that the GSP before Fitch was the same GSP you loved watching before he got KO’d by Serra? GSP was explosive, illusive, dynamic, exciting, and now he is a wrestler. John Fitch was the first person he traded with, in almost 2 years of fighting. That is why I said what I said, not because he was got KO’d by Serra.

Time and time again you hear about BJ Penns hands. maybe I expressed my self wrong in saying KO power rather then saying better boxing. GSP last TKO before Serra was in 2004. I realize GSP has more TKO’s then BJ but most in the begining of his career. All in all what I guess I am getting at is that BJ beat him in the stand up last fight. GSP had a difficult time taking him down the first 2 rounds in their last meeting. BJ Penn took Sherk in to the 3 round and still looked as fresh as he did in the first round. I do realize that GSP is always in shape and that splitting weight classes is tough to do, but if anyone has been good at it, it has been BJ re: if his win/loss columns. I think serious training, healthy BJ is going to upset a lot of GSP fans this time around.

I think BJ’s fan’s facts are about as accurate as their analisis. Their memories are pretty short also. Here are some ACCURATE facts. GSP’s LAST TKO besides TKOing Serra was nov. 2006. Now let’s take a look at BJ’s last TKO before Sherk. It was WAAAAAAAAAAY back in 2002 at the BEGINNING of GSP’s career, against Paul Creighton (2 and 1 and DONE), a total “CAN”. In that same time frame, GSP has 7 TKO’s. In the past 7 years (GSP’S whole career), BJ has TKOed a TOTAL of a nobody and Sherk, while GSP has 7 TKO’s and you want me to beleive BJ is the more dangerous striker, I’m NOT buying it. Nor do I buy BJ has more EFFECTIVE (in MMA) submissions, because they both have 5 each and GSP’s are more diverse, while BJ has only shown he can hit a choke in a fight. You can think (or better yet FEEL) BJ is the better striker, but the facts aren’t their to back it up. If anyone is getting T(KOed) the facts say it will be BJ. To say BJ’s conditioning has improved is a mute point, because it is still WELL below the freakish cardio of GSP.

Throughout GSP’s career he’s been in trouble from punches 2 times. Serra and BJ. What were the circumstances when that happened? With Serra GSP showed up a fraction of himself and Serra was better and won. With BJ he took a punch to the nose when his vision was impaired. Now is that to say Serra or BJ couldn’t put GSP in trouble again from a punch? No, but seeing as they didn’t do it AGAIN under NORMAL circumstances, coupled with the fact that no one else ever has either, it’s NOT likely to happen. GSP has great defence , short of not showing up or getting poked in the eye. I wouldn’t count on either one of these happening in the next fight.

WhereI stand corrected on the time frames BJ has TKO equally good fighters Facts:
BJ Penn TKO/KO: Joey Gilbert (Can)-Paul Creighton (Can)
                Caol Uno(not a can)-Din Thomas(nota Can)
                Sean Sherk(NOt a Can)
GSP TKOs:MAttSerra(Sometimes a Can)MAtt Hughes(Not Can)
         Sherk (not a Can) Jay Heiron(Not Quit Can)
          Travis Galbrith (CaN), Ivan MEnjivar (can)

BJ is known for his BJJ. Yes GEorge is good, but there is not a person in the MMA business that does not talk about how amazing BJ’s BJJ is the best in the world. You take what you can get in an mma match, the choke is a sure thing that no fighter in their right mind would pass up.

Do you really think the GSP before the Serra KO is the same GSP that has showed up since? I do not think so. He does not excite me the way he used to and I absolutely love GSP. He is not the same. Hopefully the Fitch fight was his turn around, but I don’t know.

I don’t think GSP is the same fighter now, I think he is better and seems to constantly improve. Why doesn’t he still excite you? Sounds like you don’t appreciate the ground game, maybe stick to watching boxing then. Yeah GSP has used less striking for 2 or 3 fights, so what, this is MMA. A fighter’s game plan should revolve around their greatest strengths, especially when they are trying to get back to the title shot. Why take unnecessary chances going toe to toe when you can MAUL them with your wrestling for the sure win. GSP’s game plan is to always take his opponent out of their comfort zone. 2 of those fights just happened to be against wrestler (who were running their mouths on how they would beat GSP with their superior wrestling),so what better way to take a wrestler out of his comfort zone ,than to out wrestle them. Sure I like the stand-up in MMA, but I like the ground just as much. We already seen GSP give Hughes a clinic on the feet, what’s wrong with seeing something different, like a clinic on the ground.
GSP like’s to mix it up. Like you said, you don’t know what GSP will do his next fight and neither did Fitch, Kos didn’t think he would take him down and Fitch didn’t think he would stand with him. GSP must be doing something right.

no one said he didn’t lose those fights (though the GSP loss is questionable). Did you watch the hughes fight? BJ was picking him apart until the injury. funny thing is, bj NEVER used it as an excuse, and casual fans like yourself said he gassed. he beats GSP this time, and it won’t go to a decision!
BJ= confident, arrogant exciting fighter!
GSP= well rounded, top fighter who will mentally break down against someone like BJ!

What makes you think that Penn will be able to break down GSP ,mentaly.We already know the old GSP could take him down ,and that all around is a way better striker than Penn .GSP is constantly improving his game ,so has Penn improved .Like it or not GSP won the first fight it does not matter how he got it done.Who has Penn beat to get this shot ,Pulver,Stevenson,Sherk.If I am not mistaken ,I could be wrong ,Sherk lost to GSP a long time ago,GSP would destroy the other two like they were nothing.My question is really why are you so confident now that Penn would beat GSP,there is nothing to support your thought,I really see this time going a lot easier for GSP.

I agree with scott. just to add something… at LW yes BJ’s cardio has improved but that is because he as to lose the wieght and train harder at it. But at
ww BJ doesn’t have to train that hard to keep his wieght down. So really no matter what we all know that GSP will be in better shape than BJ. and also more people think, I mean know that that GSP won thier first fight so get over it dude. This fight will probably go all five rounds and GSP will pretty much dominate most of them. And to be honest I don’t think BJ could even beat Fitch or Alves.

Kevin, I’m not a casual fan and I say he GASSED his legs trying to finish the sub. My conclusion comes from using logic (you should try it some time). You say BJ injured his rib (maybe so), but to what extent? Did he injure it between rounds while sitting on his stool? I know you are an intelligent guy, so your not going to have me beleive he injured it in the 2nd round, YET was STILL ABLE to HOLD a STRONG guy like Hughes right to the bell, however he could hardly stand up or move , (Hughes of all people was teeing off on him at the begining of the 3rd). With a rib injury, is there some kind of a DELAY before it has an effect. Beleive me, with a serious rib injury the LAST thing someone could do is hold onto Hughes like that. Now looking at it as gassed legs. Bj held that for a LONG time with his legs. He could HARDLY walk to his corner and after he sat for a minute his legs were RUBBER at the begining of the 3rd. This all fits BURNT legs perfectly. BJ is one of the best at stepping back to avoid a punch and his legs couldn’t move an inch to avoid the lightning fast shots from Hughes (sarcasm), come on, if his legs weren’t burnt, he would still be able to dance circles around hughes to avoid his SLOW punches, even if he had no ribs. I don’t doubt he injured his rib to some extent, but he lost because he made a mistake. He gambled on finishing Hughes by giving it everything he had and Hughes made it to the bell. 1 minute isn’t enough time for burnt out legs to recover.

I’m sure that BJ is going to come into the fight in the best shape he’s ever been in, but he’s still going to give up a lot of size and strength to GSP. His cardio looked good against Sherk, but he also wasn’t pushed in that fight. I see GSP pushing the pace and wearing down BJ and seeing how good his cardio actually is. And while it’s true GSP wasn’t able to do much from BJ’s guard in their first fight, I think his top game has improved more in the time since than BJ’s bottom game has. I see GSP winning by TKO in the 4th or 5th round.

where exactly did BJ’s bottom game need improving?

So that would be the same aging and aling Hughes that GSP lost to as well?

If GSP’s top game has improved then it’s only logical to assume he will perform better on the ground against BJ than he did the first time, provided that BJ hasn’t equally improved his bottom game. I’m not saying BJ was ineffective, just that I expect GSP to be better then next time they fight.

jv, gsp just got his jj belt, bj’s jits are off the charts. don’t compare them till gsp pulls of some sweet subs. wrestling is gsp’s, but jits is all bj

Well GSP has pulled off some sweet subs, in fact he has pulled off JUST as many as Penn has, only GSP can get arm bars and Kimura’s, while BJ has NEVER hit anything but chokes in a fight. Are belts or when you got them more impressive then actual submissions in a fight? I don’t think so.

you answered your own question without knowing it. when he cuts to 155, he cuts mainly water at the end, this if anything makes him weaker. Basically, he just doesn’t have to cut the water. another point you guys don’t get is ww is 156-170. 170 is the max weight. who’s to say BJ won’t come in at a lean mean 165 pound wrecking machine?

yeah. but i im trying to say is BJ has always hovered between weight classes ever since his fight with caol uno. it seemed his body was much well suited for 170 as well 155. but now that he fully adjusted his body to 155. it might be totally different to fight 170. the dude does walk around 180-185. he gets FAT when he doesnt fight lol. good ole BJ. true tho he probably will come in strong. i was kind of putting it into perpective with rich franklins fight with hammill…his body was full adjusted to 185 but his frame would allow him to fight at 205 but not as effective as he use to be. it seems it would take a subtantial amount of time to fully adhere your muscle mass to be super lean at 170-171- not super lean at 165. GSP walks around 200 lbs sometimes.

That’s actually right on the money Kevin. I heard in one of his interviews on his site, BJ says he will probably only come in 165, so he wont have to do anything really for the weigh ins. He says there is no reason for putting on unhealthy weight just for the sake of being 170.

I didn’t read that, but thanks, just common sense.
but according to guys like DBG, I’m an idiot!

I think their fight will be a lot like their first, except 5 rounds and with both of them being even more improved. It will probably be a split decision or narrow UD that will lead to lots and lots of arguments. BJs stand-up and BJJ are unnaturally good. GSPs stand-up and wrestling are explosive. IMO, BJ will probably win the first 2 rounds and GSP will probably win the next 3 for a narrow decision that we can all argue about some more.

If gsp was willing to do it at 155 then the lw belt should be on the line. but they are fighting at ww. that is how weight classes work. you do understand weight classes?