MMA Quick Quote: No shirts, no shoes, no service
by Jesse Holland on Oct 23, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
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"You’ve (expletive) with the wrong guy."
-- Affliction co-founder Todd Beard has less-than-kind words for Lorenzo Fertitta and the rest of the UFC brass after a partnership meeting between UFC and Affliction executives took place on September 26 according to MMAWeekly.com. A deal was proposed to allow Affliction back into the UFC as a major clothing sponsor (after banning them in January of 2008 for trying to promote MMA shows) with the agreement that Affliction would cease operations as a fight promoter and make available for purchase select contracts from their talent roster. Negotiations came to a screeching halt however after Affliction’s co-promotion with EliteXC’s "Heat" on October 4 and the subsequent licensing deals with UFC champions Randy Couture and Georges St. Pierre irritated the UFC.
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they have a clothing deal with him as well as rampage and others. Affliction should have took this deal while they had the chance. dont f&ck with the fertittas.
by b.w. on Oct 23, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah man those guys sound like a bunch of tough Italian mobsters. Next affliction show gets drive-by’d for sure
by Brandon on Oct 23, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Todd Beard’s famous last words “You’ve f**ked with the wrong guy”
Is Todd Beard some kinda well conected millionaire like Trump to make threats like that?… or is he just scared he’s going down the tubes?
by THORAZINE on Oct 23, 2008 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Who wins in a fight Dana vs Tom? My money is on Dana all the way…….they should have made the deal so AA, Fedor and Barnett could come to the UFC….can you imagine the PPV’s we would be getting……………
by Robert on Oct 23, 2008 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
read the article guys haha.
This just shows how affliction is really losing money. They were trying to get out of promoting mma and fund their main business at the same time (shirts). But then some how the deal went south and they all got pissed at each other and started cursing at each other.
by weoweoweo on Oct 23, 2008 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL, affliction had a way out, and blew it…to cross promote with a “dead man walking”
what a great business plan!
by kevin (most moderated guy on mmamania) on Oct 23, 2008 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
None of these guys care about the sport, it’s always about the money. They realized how hard it is and they were trying to bail. For all his shortcomings dana has always cared about MMA. The only other big player to care about MMA is sakakibara. Truly sad.
by NameNotRequired on Oct 23, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get it, so what’s Affliction pissed off about?
by Pat on Oct 23, 2008 12:59 AM EDT reply actions
this is all kinda confusing wat i got is one of the afliction guys blew it for themselves. and the ufc and especially ferenzo are ruthless business men (i’m assuming is they didnt take that deal and affliction got pissed off)
by GSP!!! on Oct 23, 2008 1:20 AM EDT reply actions
fertitta’s are amatuers business men compared to donald trump. the fertitta’s are middle class compared to trump. he could buy the ufc and their casinos if he wanted to. they may not wanna sell but he could offer them a deal too good to refuse
by deuce 4 on Oct 23, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
trump is not affliction, just a business partner. saying that the fertitta’s are amateurs is just dumb. thats like saying big nog is an amateur compared to fedor. he lost to fedor but is still one of the bests and in no way makes him an amateur
by bleeb on Oct 23, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
actually the f bros. are probably worth just as much if not mroe than trump at this point. trumpo doesnt give a shit about mma either he just wants to make money but hes not going to make any money with the t-shirt guys so hes gonna dump them sooner rather than later.
by djhbv23 on Oct 23, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
just a matter of time before Affliction/Xtreme Couture type clothing is completely faded out, it is already quickly becoming a close 2nd to the popped collar of douchebaggery
by jerrolds on Oct 23, 2008 1:35 AM EDT reply actions
They haven’t even scratched the surface of Tapout douchebaggery, which is now on the level of a pink shirt with a popped collar, with a side order of faux-hawk.
by naturalshadow on Oct 23, 2008 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions
To each their own, I guess. Personally, I’m sticking with my “Jesus Didn’t Tap” shirt. As far as this atheist is concerned, that thing is the bomb. It actually has Jesus arm-barring the Devil on the back with “Break Your Bad Habits” emblazoned around the image. Beat that Affliction.
by Canucklehead on Oct 23, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Where can I buy those shirts?
by Syd[a.k.a. "The Negation"] on Oct 24, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, the funniest stereotypes…are the ones built on truth.
by Jrandolph on Oct 23, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s already faded out man. Whoppi Golberg was wearing a long sleeve Affliction shirt on the View. PLAYED OUT!
by Gabber on Oct 23, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG, if this would have went through, Fedor could have possibly fought in UFC.
by rolando on Oct 23, 2008 1:36 AM EDT reply actions
GSP will probably get a bigger sponsor now that he has signed with CAA, and will drop Affliction, that is if he doesn’t lose his upcoming fights.
by rolando on Oct 23, 2008 1:39 AM EDT reply actions
I wish Affliction would pull it’s head out of it’s azz and make that deal with the UFC.
by natedogg77 on Oct 23, 2008 1:43 AM EDT reply actions
No kidding. They are losing money, and could have sold Fedor, Arlovski, and maybe Barnett to make some back. On top of that, they could have sponsored all the fighters they wanted in the UFC, and kept making a killing on their 80 dollar shirts.
by naturalshadow on Oct 23, 2008 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as affliction has Fedor they dont have to kiss anyones ass including the UFC. Fedor is the ace of spades
by dia mette on Oct 23, 2008 2:06 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah except that Fedor isn’t their biggest draw, the casual fan doesn’t know who he is and they really can’t afford to keep Fedor. They can’t have him fight 3x a year. What big draws do they have? They only have a few good fight cards to put together and they won’t get the ppv buys they need even for those.
by DSmith on Oct 23, 2008 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
so who did the near sell out crowd at the honda center which holds 19 plus thousand in july go to see I wonder who drew all those fans
and now that the casual fan has actually seen this russian monster that they kept hearing about from the hard core fan, in action destroying a former 2 time UFC HW champ in 36 sec the road has been paved and now fedor has that Mike tyson ora and will sell out venues to come
the casual fan knows fedor
by dia mette on Oct 23, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, no they don’t. the casual fan knows Kimbo. You’re very naive if you think otherwise, thats why fedor wanted the rights to european videos of his fights and not necessarily the U.S. the average fan doesn’t know fedor, sorry dia mette, but it’s true, if they did, affliction would have gotten more than 20k ppv buys and bodog would have gotten more than 15k when he fought! please explain this since fedor has mike tyson aura!
by kevin (most moderated guy on mmamania) on Oct 23, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Kevin and don’t forget dia mette- Affliction bought up a large percentage of their own tickets at that event. The casual fan’s biggest intro to Fedor and Affliction was on CBS a few weeks ago with those commercials during the EXC broadcast and they aren’t going to buy a $45 ppv just based on one night’s worth of commercials sorry.
by DSmith on Oct 23, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
even if your right (which I dont think you are) the casual fan will know him very well soon enough coming in Jan of 09.
If Fedor is able to defend him wamma belt against arlovski by walking through him which is ganna happen with a 1st rd submission then will the casual fan know him
tom atencio doesnt have to sweat at ring side like shaw and lappen did because atencio has his whole promotion based on the top fighter not to mention goldon boy and trump are in the mix
the casual fan has know choice there ganna hear his name over and over and over again from the mma media and at 31 fedor is in his prime so fans in th U.S will be seeing and hearing about him for years to come
by dia mette on Oct 23, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How about, they were there for a “Rock Concert”
by Jrandolph on Oct 23, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I personally think that people showed up to cheer on Tim Sylvia, and for the free popcorn.
It’s funny to hear Affliction and EliteXC pay these fighters a king’s ransom when they can’t sell enough tickets. I honestly feel that during the UFC’s big push in Japan (along with Europe), you will see Fedor under the UFC banner. He doesn’t get paid 500k because he loves to bleed, it’s because he’s great at his job……and when there are no other employers….you’ll hear him being announced by Bruce Buffer.
by Derick on Oct 24, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
THey wont With Punk ass trump behind em not for a couple more months
by DBG on Oct 23, 2008 2:37 AM EDT reply actions
Trump is a prudent business man. He won’t lose money for long, he knows when to cut his losses and walk away. How long did that football league last? The XFL was it?
by Shadyone33 on Oct 23, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I don’t understand this post. Could someone please expand on it?
by DoctorSamson on Oct 23, 2008 2:41 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah basically Affliction is saying that they are going broke and they just want things to go back to the way they were…or if you still dont follow…they came crawling back like a bunch of little bitches and all the UFC wants is Fedor’s contract. The UFC doesnt do a deal unless they get to step on the neck of their competitor.
Sorry Affliction but the UFC is playing big boy games…go away!
by Warrior Training Center on Oct 23, 2008 2:53 AM EDT reply actions
UFC tried to gay Affliction and Affliction said EL OH EL FUCK YOU! Basically thats what happened. Affliction makes good money off their clothing and dont need the UFC at all. So it wouldve been nothing short of retarded for them to do this deal with the UFC.
by Khaos_warrior on Oct 23, 2008 3:06 AM EDT reply actions
Not so fast Khaos,
Economically speaking, selling $80 shirts has a short life span in a bad economy and credit crunch. To top off what is a good business model only in good economic times, Affliction is dumping money into the fight promotion game. Meaning, they are losing a ton of cash and their investors/backers are none to happy about it. Selling their top fight talent, while not necessarily good for fans, is good business.
Thus, nothing short of retarded is telling the UFC to eff off. Continuing to take a lose in the fight promotion buisness and hurt their marketing potential with the UFC’s brand reach. The potential for Affliction to not only lose their fight promotion buisness, but also the primary clothing business has been greatly increased by the lack of coming to terms with the UFC.
by Jeff on Oct 23, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember Khaos, Affliction overreacted and tied themselves to Elite and may have suffered some of the backwash known as Stand Gate. Thus they tethered themselves to the wrong horse, and no someone shot that horse and their out on that promotion. They may have to crawl right back to the UFC afterall.
by dandeman on Oct 23, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I am just glad we won’t see Affliction T-shirts at UFC events. Do these guys that wear them know they look horrible? I’m not saying the ones that look exactly the same aren’t as bad but come on, a bunch of 30 somethings label whoring like it’s Sex and the City!
by derreck on Oct 23, 2008 3:18 AM EDT reply actions
Sounds like you are upset because you can’t afford to wear Affliction. Not a good reason to be hatin’ on ’em.
by Ace on Oct 23, 2008 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually like some of the fighter signature shirts, but they are not so weird looking and less expensive. The rest of the brand sells for like 80-90 bucks for what looks to me like a modern day tie-dyed Greatful Dead t-shirt.
by naturalshadow on Oct 23, 2008 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i live in a small small place, and i may have the only afflication shirt in the whole province, so my shirt is cool as hell! haha…i can imagine how many douchbags in vegas are wearing em…
by newfie on Oct 23, 2008 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
True, we went from everyone wearing the “Joe Rogan” way too long for you in the sleeves, black dress shirt, to a sea of Affliction. Affliction and Tapout t-shirts are quickly becoming the equal to bodypainting at an NFL game. No thanks.
by Jrandolph on Oct 23, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
ok derreck, what kind of t shirts do you wear? I personally like some Affliction shirts, as well as Warrior, Sprawl, Sinister etc.
And if you want to get personal, I am an Chartered Accountant so I do wear a suit everyday, but I wear these types of shirts when im lounging or when i go to training…
by UFCFAN4LIFE on Oct 23, 2008 4:38 AM EDT reply actions
I have a couple of Affliction shirts, but not the crazy ones…I like my regular “wear anywhere” tap out, throwdown, and Harley Davidson T-shirts, but I do notice alot of older guys (my father included) wearing Affliction shirts, its kinda funny. To each his own I guess.
by Chadx23 on Oct 23, 2008 4:38 AM EDT reply actions
I also have some affliction shirts.
I personally don’t really like tapout shirts because it seems like so many people wear them that arent related to fighting or even a big fan. More “posers” seem to wear it in my mind.
I like some Sinister, Warrior and Sprawl t shirts.
And on a personal level, I am a chartered accountant so i do wear a suit everyday, but i tend to wear these when i train or am relaxing.
by UFCFAN4LIFE on Oct 23, 2008 4:41 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah good observation on the Tapout people. The Tapout gear is horrible if you ask me. Affliction do have some really nice stuff, admittedly some of the t-shirts are ugly as well but it’s subjective.
Wouldn’t be caught dead wearing a Tapout one though.
by RobH86 on Oct 23, 2008 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I tried on Tap Out tshirts. They fit worse than $15 tshirts at walmart. Affliction can be overdone with too much graphics but do fit nice.
by KAS on Oct 23, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought ufc had complete control over who their stars get sponsered by.
wouldnt have thought they would allow rampage, gsp to have ‘seperate’ endorsments of affliction.
by ben on Oct 23, 2008 4:59 AM EDT reply actions
Those endorsements were already in place before the UFC banned them. Besides you can have whatever sponsor you want and if the UFC doesn’t like it it will be blurred out when you wear it- no biggie…
by DSmith on Oct 23, 2008 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
No point in them offering a deal to Affliction now when in a year or less they can get everything at a bargain value.
Afflictions business model outlined that they were going to do 3 shows (I think that was the number) and see how it went and then go from there.
Not the best strategy if you are going to be at the table bargaining for a position in a deal with your competitors.
The UFC can make a one sided deal and knows that Affliction is only experimenting in this field and has a lot more to lose if they do not accept the deal.
The UFC is doing the smart thing by not budging and only offering Affliction the same rights they would have got if they never had started their MMA promotion.
Their business strategy is perplexing at best, I guess they did not realize that coming from the t-shirt business to the sport business that they had to be less transparent in their operation for leverage in future negotiations.
by DirtyML on Oct 23, 2008 5:41 AM EDT reply actions
Good points. I forgot about Afflictions 3 fight experiment.
by Jeff on Oct 23, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana is afraid of the trump man..and fedor’s reality show..the way he beat up Tim is really devastating..everybody in mma knows that fedor is the best heavyweight..and teaming up with reality star billionaire donald trump scares the shit out of Dana and lorenzo. /agreeing that affliction would stop promoting(IN short the ufc wants peace) is really FEAR!!!(and adding delahoya’s—hispanic audience is another thing)
GO AFFLICTION!!! now this is a good day for MMA
by ree on Oct 23, 2008 6:01 AM EDT reply actions
LOL Dude there’s so many things wrong with this post. First of all, aside from hardcore fans (i.e. those of us who regularly visit MMA websites), nobody really knows Fedor, and the fact that he wrecked Tim. And even if they did, who cares, nobody liked Tim anyways lol. There is VERY LITTLE knowledge of MMA outside of the UFC. For example, you don’t know how many times I’ve had to tell people that BJ Penn already tooled Takanori Gomi. I mean, these are the TOP TWO LIGHTWEIGHTS IN THE WORLD!! How come a lot of people don’t know they’ve fought? Because it wasn’t in the UFC!
Also, there’s been a lot of orgs with rich owners that have failed miserably. The UFC won’t lost to an owner that has no passion for the sport. Donald Trump is just riding the bandwagon. The guy probably thinks a heel-hook is a shoe buckle, and a kimura is a type of sushi.
Lastly, saying that the Golden Boy Promotions partnership will have a significant effect on viewership is also unfounded. One, DLH’s fans are a lot more diverse, not mainly Hispanics. And second, his fans are exactly that. They’re not fans of his promotion or anything with his name on it, they’re fans of HIS. Exactly how popular is Juan Manuel Marquez again? Yeah, that’s what I thought.
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by Pat on Oct 23, 2008 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t say it makes me sad teh affliction shirts are that good looking and it costs a bloody fortune to get one. they are a freakin T-shirt and they want 50 bucks, out of their minds
by staples on Oct 23, 2008 6:20 AM EDT reply actions
50 bucks for the cheap ones. $80 at the high end and they aren’t worth it. they are paper thin and would probably handle a half dozen washes before you have to go out and buy another one. screw that noise.
by kitsunex on Oct 23, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I love affliction clothing, but I think it would have been wise to team up with the ufc again. They could still have their fighters fight good competition and they make more money having the fighters wear their tshirts at events and such.
by Jared on Oct 23, 2008 7:40 AM EDT reply actions
affliction shld get ALL the xc fighters which would pt them prtty even
by cid cyanide on Oct 23, 2008 8:07 AM EDT reply actions
Like Tito and Kimbo… Not exactly. XC does have some good fighters like Sheilds and Fieijo, but they have already expressed interest in fighting for the UFC.
by BNF on Oct 23, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
When they can pay to keep the lights on….then they’ll sign additional fighter (Holy Shit!! Maybe they’ll pay them in shirts!!LOL)
They need to do another “Ultimate Fighter” with past IFL, EliteXC, and Affliction Fighters…..and call it “The fight for leftovers”
I hope Shields, Feijao, Brett Rogers, and Frank Shamrock signs (he can be the replacement for anyone that gets hurt…what a douche)
by Derick on Oct 24, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
"You’ve (expletive) with the wrong guy." Who the hell is supposed to be afraid or intimidated by this fool? Not Dana that’s for sure. It’s no loss for the UFC; it’s a favor to Affliction. Go ahead and put on 2-3 more shows before you go under. The Affliction roster (the guys worth keeping) will be in the UFC stable soon enough. I guess Affliction wants to die with honor.
by DSmith on Oct 23, 2008 8:46 AM EDT reply actions
The one thing that Dana white does fear is Fedor. He knows that people will start to learn about him and when they do they will realize that the UFC does not have all the best fighters.
by mike on Oct 23, 2008 9:01 AM EDT reply actions
Yes Mike, but it doesn’t matter, 1 fighter cannot carry an organization. The UFC, by far, has the biggest and best stable of fighters. And I believe that anybody who truly wants to be the best and test themselves, will want to fight all the top guys in their weight class. THe UFC does have some of the best HW in the world and more will emerge in the next 1-2 years. If Fedor ever wants to be truly recognized as the best throughout the world he will need to fight in the UFC at some point.
by BNF on Oct 23, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Why? He’s already beaten the UFC champ twice. The best HW’s are at Affliction. There show was the best showing of HW’s that an MMA event has ever produced….by far.
Only people who are UFC fans, and not necessarily MMA fans, think Fedor needs to beat Couture and Nog (for a 3rd time) to be recognized as the best. MMA fans know otherwise….he’s the best HW in the world.
by introvert on Oct 23, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
He beat the interim champ twice, not the champ. The best HW’s are in Affliction??? What happens if he beats AA then Barnett? Then what? Affliction will be out of the MMA game after their 3 shows. Who will he fight? If Randy, Lesnar, or Mir pan out to be the udisputed champ, he has not fought any of them. Then that person will most likely fight Werdum, hasn’t fought him. There are also future great HW’s like Cain and Carwin.
The fact is Affliction will go out of business and instead of fighting freaks in Japan, I would like to see him fight in the UFC. But I understand you wouldn’t because you hate the UFC and I am sure you never buy any UFC PPV’s.
by BNF on Oct 23, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually do buy some UFC ppvs. Having a wife and kid and living in this shitty economy lead to me not buying all of them. I do buy the ones that interest me. Like Ultimate 2008 I will definetely get. I love the UFC though, ask my wife she will tell you haha.
UFC does have the majority of the best fighters in the world, but they definetely don’t have the best HWs. Fedor does not need to fight in the UFC to prove himself. If the UFC guys want to be the best they have to fight him. It is his title to lose. The fact that he beat Sylvia in 30 seconds and it took Randy 5 rounds makes me believe that Randy has to do the proving, and he knows it, which is why he has been begging for this fight.
With that said I would love to see him fight there.
You are right, 1 man does not make an entire Org, Dana knows this and does not fear Affliction. Here is why he fears Fedor. If he does not bring him in people with forever think he is the best and better than anyone ever in the UFC, if he does bring him in he might prove it. Lose Lose
Fedors record against people that have held the UFC HW Title is 6-0 (2 decisions and 4 Subs)
Mark Coleman (twice)
Kevin Randleman
Tim Sylvia
Big Nog (Twice)
Can AA topple the giant?
by mike on Oct 23, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike, my 2nd post was directed towards introtard, not you. And my whole point is that there are several good HW’s in the UFC he has not fought, he will possibly have 1-2 more Affliction fights, then what? Fedor is notorious lately for not fighing the best guys and after Affliction folds, will he go back to fight smaller guys and freaks or will he test the UFC waters, the later I hope!
by BNF on Oct 23, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the donald would have the cash to turn affliction into a huge company if he wanted but it would cost serious money to more or less copy the ufc model
hed have to get a tv station onboard and invest $500 million
if elitexc pi$$ed away $60million on their POS shows then you need about 10 times that
affliction are in trouble
they have the major advantage over elitexc that they have several world class fighters
the problem is turning that into PPV buys and cash
how the fuck are you meant to compete with spike constantly advertising ufc
it cost them close to a million bucks to get some air time for arlovski on the elitexc card
they cant survive unless someone with huge money like trump bankrolls them
they should of talked with ufc before their venture into mma promotion and tried to get them on board
ie its a way for ufc to fight fedor without having signed him
although it appears that unless ufc have total control of fedor then they wont waste their time promoting him
i truly hope the second affliction show takes place as i really want to see fedor arlovski
after that affliction will probably fold fedor barnett lindland will go to japan and ufc will grab arlovski back especially if hes victorious against the cyborg
by bigjohn on Oct 23, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah I agree, they will either fold in a few shows or have to get serious about it. I would love to see two big UFC type organizations, but only if they would cross promote, which they won’t.
Trump can keep anything afloat that he wants, he has the money. He also has the fighters to do it, they can pick up a few more from Elite now too.
What they need to do is get their show on some free TV, that could get them going.
by mike on Oct 23, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop organizing and promoting MMA events and we want to by the contracts of all the best fighters you have and then we will let you come back to the UFC. This seems to sound like an excellent opportunity for Affliction judging by a lot of the comments. Sorry I don’t see it myself. I am glad they did not sign up. And what makes people think that this could have meant Fedor in the UFC, when Fedor has no intention of joining the UFC with the restrictions they putin their contracts.
by Ade on Oct 23, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
ok im really tired of the ufc being tha number 1. hate them or love them they will always be number 1…but i kinda want some compatition in the mma world…kinda like smack down vs raw shit, i dont like that fake ass wrestling but i think it would be kinda badass if something like that were to go on between affliction and tha UFC
by cub23 on Oct 23, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
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