Brock Lesnar E:60 video (updated)

His Natural talent at fighting and cardio and his work ethic,

Stop trying to think Homo thoughts.

I wasn’t thinking anything gay, just amazed (hence the “huh”) that a 1-1 record in the UFC makes you “amazing” these days! whats Werdum??? super duper amazingly great?

I don’t like Werdum hah, other then Brock, I like Randy and Nog, in the HW division of the UFC, and I See Brock beating Randy, and I know you want randy to win, I just think his time is over. I liked Carwin also, until I saw him getting hit with alomst every punch on the feet saturday night and then went back to his Bread and butter and got the take down and GNP victory lol.

I don’t really care who wins to be honest, never been much of a couture fan, just think he will win. He is an olympic caliber wrestler, who has brought in guys brock’s size, but that are better wrestlers than Brock. Believe me, those “olympic bonds” run deep, those guys will make sur randy is ready for Brock!

what a freakshow, looks like the UFC wants to pick up where Elite XC left off

Kevin – I have to agree, but there are limits in training, unless Couture wants to come into the cage with injuries. I think you’re right: he will be prepared. But so will Brock. His camp will anticipate Couture’s approach to Brock’s weaknesses. This will be very, very interesting. I can’t wait.

Lesnar is just an incredibly gifted athlete. There are very few people anywhere, certainly not in the UFC, that have his combination of size, strength, speed and agility. Once he learns a few of the technical aspects of MMA he will be unstoppable.

Kevin: I actually believe that Lesnar will Beat Couture (at least I am hoping). U r right about the Olympic Bond running deep and I am sure that Randy will be prepared, but I have a hard time believing that Randy will be able to take one of Brock’s punches! The Power will be too much to deal with. Yes he is training with Beast like Carwin, but they arent punching Randy as hard as they can with 4 ounce gloves. Unless Randy can avoiud being hit, he will be in trouble.

Keep in mind guys that Randy hasnt fought since last August, and at his age the lay off will affect him!

Either way, it should be a great fight! I hope Randy gets DESTROYED! Then again, I want Randy to pay for disrespecting Nogueira, so Whatever! I will just sit back and enjoy!

I agree with you John, that straight right that Heath took will probably put randy in the ground

which is why randy said he doesn’t plan on getting hit by one of them. he realizes he can’t take on, which is smart on Randy’s part. i like this matchup BECAUSE it can go either way. i like that feeling of uncertainty in a fight. which is why Affliction and EliteXC didn’t interest me much, most of the fights were lopsided, where you could pretty much pick all the winners beforehand and be right about most of them.

Carwin was getting his ass kicked in this last fight on his feet, until he took the fight on the ground, or that might just be me, I see Brock destroying Carwin. Even he said he was disappointed because he was getting hit a lot before he took it down.

I just watched the Special on Brock and it was pretty good, I like how he walked out on the Interviewer after he started to hint about steroids, Brock was huge In college, He’s just naturally a Huge Guy, and all the years in wrestling in high school and college and working out just helped him to grow and add on to his size.

I don’t see Randy beating him, anyway, anyhow, This fight Brock will prove himself and I think he is going to knock Randy the f-out. This fight he will really make his statement.

anyone who thinks that Brock DIDN’t do juice is a moron!! if anyone of you know anyting about juice just look at his size in WWE and look at him now, like at how much more cut he was when he was in WWE and he didn’t even have to cut weight.. in UFC he has to cut weight and he’s no where near and lean as he was in WWE.. Thats why he walked out on interview cuz he didnt’ want to get caught in his own lie

I agree 100%, but his legs are tiny.

it’s called aging and gaining fat. it will happen to us all over time.

I wrestled against Brock’s Gophers in college. In the WWE there is no weight cut. Now there is…that is the reason for the difference in his size. He is slightly larger now than he was when he won the NCAA title in 2001.

Brock 1000% juiced in the WWE. Yes, genetically he is a big strong guy, and would still look big if he never touched a weight, but not even the most genetically gifted bodybuilders in history, who do nothing but eat and lift weights, could get to 300 lbs. almost free of fat. If you think he never juiced in his entire life, then I would like to know if you would be interested in buying a major share of Elite XC from me?

Lesnar has been drug tested in high school, junior college, regular college, possibly in the WWE, in the NFL and before and after three MMA fights and has NEVER tested positive. If any of you know something the rest of us don’t, other than that he’s a big dude, please share.

Thanks PW.

The WWE did not test for steroids at that time. Supposedly they do now, but from what I here it is not exactly strict. (Example- Batista). The person who told me this does have family involved in the WWE, past and present. On top of that, his body is smaller and not nearly as hard as it was in the WWE. That would not make any sense considering that he trains full time now, and is not on the road 300 days of the year.

That being said, taking steroids during the time he was in the WWE would not help him today. Unless he fails a test, I would have no reason to think he is juicing anymore.

I’d say there’s a 95% chance he didn’t take steroids, but I do think he took HGH, probably back in Junior College. Given that there aren’t good tests for it, no way to know for sure. It’s the same reason there are O and D-linemen weighing 100 pounds more than they did 20 years ago.

Listen, this is the dumbest debate I have ever seen on this site! YOu guys are arguing about if he took Roids in the WWE. Who the F cares? once you stop taking roids, you loose all the advantages that they gave you, so who the F cares? He isnt on roids now that he is in the UFC, and thats THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS!!!!

besides, Brock was bigger when he entered teh WWE than he was when he left. same with Goldberg. both of those guys were massive when they entered, but when you are on the road 300 days a year, you can’t train like you want to. Did he do roids? can’t really say. there are no tests saying otherwise and in this country, its innocent until proven guilty. So to those that say he was taking them? the burden of proof rests on YOUR shoulders, not his.

PW, they don’t test for roids in wrestling, high school or college level.

John, it’s easily possible not to lose all advantages after cycling off and on roids for yrs, u lose some muscle, u gain some muscle… it’s possible that Lesnar put on 50lbs of muscle over the years that he can comfortably hold on his body even without supplements.

HOWEVER, It’s agreed on the point of debating whether Lesnar is on steroids or not… it’s pointless to debate.. I think “LESNAR’s A JOCKSTRAP”… but he sure can fight.

Thorazine, he is arrogant, but you have to understand that he deals with a lot of crap. since he entered mma, everyone has been talking trash about him being a fake wrestler, being on roids….I would have a chip on my shoulder to if I were him….I actually like that Chip on his shoulder, it keeps him pissed off and thats when he is NASTY!

Sometimes it almost seems like he is playing the role of a heel though.

John, I hear u, but I bet Brocks always been arrogant since his collegiante wrestling days and his career in the WWE just fine turned it… yeah negative questions keeps him nasty but he’s still a typical elitist jock prick. But I like watching him fight!

typical elitist jock prick…..Cant argue with you there

i had a friend that wrestled in highschool in North dakota while brock was in college and he did a training camp during the summer with Brock in minnesota, and he said the guy wasn’t arrogant at all and did a lot to teach the guys there how to be better wrestlers. he said Brock was very outgoing and just generally a nice person. so take that for whats its worth

I am from South Dakota and have met a few people from Webster in College and not a single person ever said he was a mean or arrogant guy. It is just the opposite they instantly say about what a down to earth nice guy he is. Sure he is CONFIDENT about fighting as he should be. I don’t think he should be walking into the octagon going, “I don’t know if I can beat this guy” because then you have already lost. He isn’t saying that he is a million times better than everyone and putting himself on a pedastole that bullshit. The guy conducting the interview asked him what his advantages were and he told him. It isn’t arrogant for Brock to say that he is Strong, Younger and More athletic than Randy because it is simply true. The only guys I can think of that could even be considered in the catagory as athletic as Brock are GSP, Anderson Silva, Faber and I leave out Fedor (He is my favorite fighter) because I don’t think he is insanely athletic (athletic yes but not Lesnar athletic), he is just insanely good and technical.

KITSUNEX, thanks for the insight, maybe after yrs in the WWE, he actually took on that persona’, it’s a tough business and for a guy that really didn’t like being in the WWE, he sure committed himself to it… I certainly respect that.

I like Brock’s workethic and commitment to excel even if it was WWE Fake, the injuries, training and workload isn’t.

TO JOHN, I’m still giving Brock a chance, he hasn’t gone totally overboard in my opinion but he was kind of a prick this last interview… my guess is he needs to get KO’d or his ass kicked at least once, I mean beaten’, not just a leglock outta the blue.. to get humble and be the fighter we think he can be… Anderson Silva, Wanderlei Silva, Nog, Rich Franklin are fighting attitudes that have impressed me lately inside and outside of the cage… I’m hoping Brock will do the same

It may not be so easy after seeing a 205 lb. MMA fighter knock him out with what could basically be considered a jab. Plus, he makes B.J. Penn look like Lance Armstrong when it comes to cardio.

in boxing, you would be surprised on how the impossible can happen. it’s that corrupt.

Yeah, I don’t doubt that. I think he would be better used in boxing to feed stars that they are trying to build now.

i know the next time i hear someone say brock is only in mma for the money, i will hit them over the head with my keyboard. lol! he turned down a 7 year 45 million dollar contract from the wwe (wich im sure he could still command) and went to 230k in the nfl and less (for now) in the ufc and he’s just in it for the money? yeah right! i think brock got so mad about the size question is because he is probably tired of defending himself over something he’s never done, cheated.

he didn’t make the 230k by the way, thats what he would have made as a “walk on” that made the team. Try out guys that get cut get like 2k a week during training camp. He didn’t need the money, he’s made millions, he was abusing his body more with the pain medicine by the sounds of it.

Good post BW!~

JOHN.right on.

yeah just about every pro wrestler i’ve met is addicted to pain killers, because they have to perform injured. it isn’t like football where you can ride the bench on injury reserve and make your money. it doesn’t work that way. you go out injured, you aren’t making money and you lose all you’ve gained. fans are fickle and forget about you. Plus if you are champion, you don’t want to give up that belt because you don’t know when they’ll let you win it again, it might be your only shot, so you suck it up, swallow a handfull of pills and go out there every night. its frankly a shitty job.

hence why Rob Van Damn smokes so much pot, he doesn’t like pills, and used pot to deal with the pain.

whereas when i hung out with Sabu, the dude was poppin pain killers every 20 minutes because his back, knees, and neck were shot.

Chase, I can see Couture being stronger now (not faster) than at 33, he’s been training yrs now and he’s advanced his training by doing it smarter and cross training for MMA… also Couture is a freak of nature in his own way… Brocks not the only Freak of Nature in this fight…

Brock Abused his body for WWE because he had to, to be successful and with that brutal wear n’ tear on his body it’s no-wonder he’s not as strong now as he was 10 yrs ago… Couture on the other hand has never had career ending injuries except for his eye and hasn’t abused his body. Brocks just arrogant and if he’s not stronger now than he used to be 10 yrs ago.. then his attitude is nobody is.

“MUSCLE MATURITY”…..it mean as you age, your muscles become naturally stronger…. up until a certain point which usually isnt until 50’s. Look at those body builders like Ronnie Coleman, that dude is in his late 40’s just like Randy and was/is stronger and bigger than he ever was before. Most body builders dont get thier full potential until there late 30s and 40s which is why I can see Randy saying he is stronger now than he was before.

Think of when you go to shake some old timers hand who is around 50 or 60 and in decent shape (mind you these guys arent working out at all) and think of how strong some of those older guy’s grips are….thats muscle maturity.

Chadx23, u explained that very well, and it’s also very true… Brock = dumbass

I agree about the Muscle Maturity thing but you can get a little stronger as you get older but in most cases that just slows you down. If Couture isn’t lying then he is going to be slow as SHIT! I have played football (through college) and my college coaches would come in and bench or squat more than they ever did when they were playing but they do not have the athleticism anymore to use it. Strength really doesn’t mean shit if you can’t use it and I don’t think at 46 Randy is getting any more athletic.

Also it is absolutely absurd for people to wonder why Brock was bigger in the WWE, he was lifting for muscle definition and not strength. Look at the worlds strongest men competition they do not look like a Batista or Scott Steiner, they look like Brock looks now, just fucking HUGE! The other thing is, the more muscle you pack on the more they get hungry and need to be fed in a fight so it only makes sense in the UFC for him not to have all that mass. On top of all that he was 300lbs in the WWE so what do you expect when you got a guy with hardly any body fat and shit ton of muscle to lose nearly 40 pounds!?!

EDGE CRUSHER u can’t compare Football to MMA training or Fighting, not even close and the thing about Couture is he was never fast! Couture never relied on speed, rather strength, diet, training, conditioning and tenacity and gameplan. However, Couture never lost his step in training & diet, he’s always trained for yrs, not like those old time football coaches… I’ve never seen one in shape..lol. By the way I assitant coach for my nephews wrestling team so I know something about something here. When u get older u lose it, and mostly because u don’t train anymore, if the training and healthy life style has always been constant as in the case of Couture, it’s very possible he can be who he is NATURALLY…. like that? “The Natural” get it?

How did Frank Mir put Brock to shame? By not landing one punch, surviving Brocks punches via questionable standup, and then in the last seconds of their quick fight submitting Lesnar in his 2nd MMA fight ever? Right.

I agree that it must be terribly frustrating for the other fighters. But can you blame Lesnar for accepting the title shot? He said from the beginning that he would take any fight that the UFC gave him. He isn’t scared of the competition and he wants to test himself against the best in the business.

Of course it is about the money. This is a business and a thriving one at that. Plus, it is a bad matchup for Randy. This is an interesting fight on so many levels.

Any organization will use a huge draw for profits. Mike Tyson was used in boxing, Kimbo in the EliteXC and Lesnar in the UFC. But the difference in this case is the fact that Lesnar isn’t fighting in fixed fights. He is fighting the competition and winning. The UFC was smart for picking him up.

I agree about your strength vs age point. We have no way of knowing how much stronger Randy is nowadays. In Randys last two fights, he looked great. If we see the same Randy that we saw against Sylvia and Gonzaga, I think Randy will outclass Brock and achieve victory. Brock could easily prove me wrong but after putting a lot of thought into it, I could see Randy not only beating Brock, but beating him dominantly through a perfectly executed gameplan.

(I posted a potential strategy for Randy doing so in one of the forums in the past week or so. Feel free to check it out if you want. I don’t want to type it again or go find it but I can assure you that it is there hahaha)

maybe “putting him to shame” wasnt the right choice of words. What i meant is that; Brock tried really hard to end it, and Mir took what he was dishin out and keep a cool head and exposed Lesnars lack of experience by catchin him in an avoidable situation… and think about this…. Mir beat Lesnar without even landing a punch… so what does that say? he didnt put him to shame persay but… he showed everyone how much work lesnar needs to do to improve his game. and yes to lensars credit… its only his 2nd fight. He did very good considering and almost had mir in serious jeopardy

The stand up and point deduction was totally bogus, I completly agree… but it had little bearing on the outcome of the fight, as it didnt go to a desicion, and a couple seconds later they were back on the ground in the same position (both times cuz mir was throwing leg kicks for some reason). and Mir was able to turn it around.

I dont blame Lesnar for the way the UFC is handling the situation… its everyones dream to get ahold of a title and youd have to be crazey to decline a title shot. UFC gave it to him and he fearlessly steps up to fight one of the greatest HW champs ever. thats very admirable.

I Understand the UFC for wanting to make money off Lesnar, it IS a buisness afterall and Lesnar has potential to bring a whole new crowd to MMA fanbase (pro wrestling fans). but i disagree with their methods. compromising the intergrity of their organization just to sell seats for more $… thats why ppl like randy left the UFC in the first place. iunno, its just not rigth that ppl like Mir can beat lesnar in 1.5 mins. and Lesnar gets the title shot anyway. that kind of blatant favouritism is not right or fair.

I agree 100% that if its the randy who beat gonzaga and silvia (not movie star randy) his experience, skills, quick thinkning and game plan will allow him to win if not dominate brock. im gonna go find strategy post of urs. In the end it all comes down to which randy we see in the ring that night, the Movie star or the real Cap’n America

I think that the standup had an effect on the outcome of the fight. I say this because there could have easily been a TKO stoppage in that situation. Mir himself said that he saw flashes of white light as Lesnar was pounding on his head. Five more seconds of that could have easily lead to a stoppage in my opinion.

I am happy that Lesnar lost this fight however. I think that he would probably still be coming out like a bat out of hell attacking his opponent if he would have gotten the TKO against Frank Mir that night. I think that the loss gave Lesnar a reality check and humbled him as well. Did you see the way he was talking to Dana after that fight? “It’s not over. I hope it’s not over yet.”

I didn’t even think about the movie star aspect of Randy. You got a point. He could have gone Hollywood. I have been moreso thinking about whether his age will finally show but he could have easily fallen victim to fame. (Although that movie sucked hahaha)

mir said it himself, he was on the brink of going out during that exchange. if it wasn’t stood up, it would have ended in a TKO or KO 15 seconds later.

hahaha theres a reason it went straight to DVD i guess!!

and your right, Mir WAS rocked… i just always had blind faith that hed pull through… i guess well never really know what effect it had… if the ref didnt stand them up, Brock may very well have finished it.. but on the same note, Mir may very well have scrambled into guard or a submission.

and yea, as soon as it was over, you knew brock had already learned alot from the loss.. and Dana knew it too. It helped him figure out what he needs to work on and the more experience you the better no matter what.. and in the Herring fight you could see his growth.. i wasnt such a fan of his methods, but he definatly wasnt going to get over excited and jeopardize the victory like last time. When brock gets his skill more developped and well rounded and a little more experience under his belt… hes going to be deadly

haha just watched the fight on UFC unleashed again.. i should have known they’d replay one of brock’s fights b4 the PPV. It occures that Mir wasnt really rocked until AFTER they were stood up. B4 that he was just taken down when he threw a leg kick. then Brock only connected with 6-7 clean hammer fists… 2-3 of which where to the back of the head… it was AFTER they got stood up, that Mir threw another leg kick and Brock DROPPED him. then proceded to pummel him. But Mir survived.

he still shoulda finished Heath…it’s just my opinion!

hard to finish someone when they do nothing but turtle up, offer up no offense and only fight to survive. just my “expert” internet opinion.:)

Hard to finish them when you have no submission skills and just dry hump your opponent with superior wrestling ability.

And people say Sean Sherk is boring :)

B.W. brock had his back, and could have not taken him down and stood up, heath was obviously done. but I do agree, he’s impressive, and like i said, I respect him!

sean sherk is boring.

Heath Herring is one of the toughest fighters in mma. In over 40 career fights he was only beaten by strikes once! He’s lost by injury or by cut, but Cro Cop is the only one to give him a legitimate TKO beatdown. Brock broke his orbital bone within the first minute of the fight and he still hung in there and made it to a decision. Personally, I was impressed with Brock being able to keep up his pace for the entire fight.

in that fight you could see that heath was baiting him with his back, if brock had of taken his back heath would have rolled over into brock’s guard, and for the people who say he did nothing but hold him down for 3 rounds are idiots, did you see heath’s face at the end of the fight, i don’t think it would have looked like that if brock did nothing

pretty much most of the damage to his face was from that one punch… it was a GOOOD punch! but for the rest of the fight Lesnar pretty much punched him in the back and sides of the head.. while laying ontop… Lesnar was too afraid of getting countered to try and go for Heaths back. solid knees tho.

brock definatly should have been able to finish the fight but he was either too scared of losing some how, or he just didnt know HOW to finish the fight

BTW DirtyML… u daaammmm riiight!

Very true.

I really hope that he can be the future of the division. If he wins the title, I feel that he will want to move on to Fedor to find more challenge. Either that, or he will begin calling Fedor out. Just a thought.

I strongly agree

He does not deserve it…(its not so much that he DOESNT deserve it… but there are others, who at this point, deserve it MORE!)

He is going to be very dangerous when he becomes more skilled.

And its sad that UFC only cares about $$$, not integrity.

yea i spoke too soon sayin he wasnt hurt. he WAS hurt, but he was still with it enough to defend himself and try for submission… he doesnt remember his thoughts at the time, doesnt mean he didnt have any

Yeah, I’d be pissed if I worked out hard for all my life, and Always got asked about steroids, after a while it mustn’t feel like a compliment anymore.

YES!!!

I’ve seen Lesnar nut huggers before, but this Chase guys takes the freakin cake.

seriously. You cant just say that the older u get the fatter you get. There is no linear correlation between age and fat. All i can say about WWE lesnar’s body vs UFC lesnar’s body is that WWE was for show and brock would have built muscles for size instead of pure strength to make him look bigger. Now that hes not just putting on a show its down to buisness and size isnt as important as strength… Hes not as big now as he needed to be for WWE.